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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Gary26 on July 24, 2011, 07:46:40 AM
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So yesterday evening I was flying some Lancs in support of a Vbase attack. I dropped all four hangers and decided to drop alt and help mop up enemy gv's. I found one M4 and dropped some bombs on him, but I forgot to change my salvo to one and ended up dropping my last six bombs on him. As soon as he was dead, the pm's started. I was called some choice names and told that I needed to get some class. I broke the rules of "sportsmanship" for the game and I was supposed to let the tanks fight it out.
People need to relax. Im sure you have figured out by know you dont die in real life. Dont tell someone they need to "get some class" when your the one sending pm's name calling and whining about getting killed in your cartoon tank.
I will dig up the last "read me" file from the last AH patch and see if there are "rules of engagement" posted in there. Im sure I wont find any, but until there are rules, stop sending pm's when you die. It just makes you look like a child.
Atleast he gave me something to post in the "post your funny pm" forum post.
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Yep, some people are bad. I restarted my subscription and upped for the first time in three of four months. The first con I come across is an F4U. I engage and make BnZ attacks on him, knowing he will out-turn me. Eventually I gave up everything on a shot that didn't finish him off. I overshot and he got me shortly after. Of course, not ten seconds later he was PMing me, despite the fact he won. :rolleyes: :lol
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killing GVs with a formation of Lancs is very gamey, and certainly not classy.
thats just my 2d, but its your $15/m ...
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So yesterday evening I was flying some Lancs in support of a Vbase attack. I dropped all four hangers and decided to drop alt and help mop up enemy gv's. I found one M4 and dropped some bombs on him, but I forgot to change my salvo to one and ended up dropping my last six bombs on him. As soon as he was dead, the pm's started. I was called some choice names and told that I needed to get some class. I broke the rules of "sportsmanship" for the game and I was supposed to let the tanks fight it out.
People need to relax. Im sure you have figured out by know you dont die in real life. Dont tell someone they need to "get some class" when your the one sending pm's name calling and whining about getting killed in your cartoon tank.
I will dig up the last "read me" file from the last AH patch and see if there are "rules of engagement" posted in there. Im sure I wont find any, but until there are rules, stop sending pm's when you die. It just makes you look like a child.
Atleast he gave me something to post in the "post your funny pm" forum post.
He was upset becasuse he failed to follow the rule requiring air cover for any ground defensive or offensive.
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He was upset becasuse he failed to follow the rule requiring air cover for any ground defensive or offensive.
Its understandable on the GV'ers part, people like Cane go around bombing Gv's all day just to land 2 kills, which if there's no push on a base why the
heck do you even need to bomb GV's? Very gamey to use lancs on Gv's, however seeing the bishops enjoy running 200 Lancs over a V-base its understandable for their strategy.
I only wish I upped a 262 when I seen those lancs.
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killing GVs with a formation of Lancs is very gamey, and certainly not classy.
thats just my 2d, but its your $15/m ...
Well as AH IS a game ,i guess saying something is "gamey" fit's. Your in a GV and lanc's are carpet bombing get in a fighter and deal with them.
I will say that's why i would like to see a small perk cost on bombs.
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See Rule #6
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lol.
Last week i was on the ground trying to defend a gv base against the knits at the top of the map. killed this guys panther twice in an m4. He raged, upped a set of lancs, and was going in to drop the VH's.
I had landed my kills, and was upping a pony out of a close base. flew over, ran into his low 3k lancs as he was attempting to carpet bomb. Dove at an angle lighting up his wing, ripped it off but as i was pulled in, his drone came out of nowheres and i ended up crashing into it.
Funny thing is, the kid had his salvo set at max 14 and didnt know it. plus he was in the bombsite trying to drop on one of the vh bases.apparently i shot his wing off just as he was pushing drop. not only did he drop ALL his ords, but he also missed the vh base cus i screwed him up.
He then proceded to pm me, call me a HO'er and a rammer of his lancs. said i was a disgusting part of this game, and i needed a life :headscratch:
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Carpet bombing GVs in low alt heavy buff formations is uber lame, IMO. Nothing at all wrong with bombing GVs in general, excepting maybe a good spawn battle. Bombing tanks and Wirbles - especially Wirbels - is way better than blowing up cartoon buildings. :x
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if you cant take being killed in the game then get the hell out of it.
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if you cant take being killed in the game then get the hell out of it.
Or just fly 29s at 35-40k, with a gunner and the extra ammo, take off from and land at the base farthest from the enemy your country has got, and bomb the closest enemy base.
Tada!!!
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People need to relax. Im sure you have figured out by know you dont die in real life. Dont tell someone they need to "get some class" when your the one sending pm's name calling and whining about getting killed in your cartoon tank.
That's when you know you've done your job right! :aok <S>
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Well as AH IS a game ,i guess saying something is "gamey" fit's. Your in a GV and lanc's are carpet bombing get in a fighter and deal with them.
Point is GV'ers can't just pack up and go somewhere else if they wanna GV. Really you need a double spawn or close Vbases to have a good fight. Bombers, on the other hand, can just go to a different base, and bomb somewhere else.
You're saying "touch chit, you're not allowed to have a good GV fight". People always say "well, its their $15/mo". So what about MY $15/mo. I've been with AH for 7 years, I think I'm entitled to an undisturbed GV fight.
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just wait til u kill lled..
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you're right........you do need to relax. it's not the m4 driver here whining on the bbs, but rather the schmuck that used heavy bombers to kill a single tank.......so ya.....relax.
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I wouldnt go so far as to say bombing tanks with buffs is uber lame. Certainly the carpet bomb was not my intention. I would have much rather used one bomb at a time and get more kills. Just forgot to change my salvo. People just done seem to get it. Although it is a cartoon war, its still war. The object is to kill cartoon pilots and tanks and take bases. So if people want to use buffs to drop hangars and then drop alt to kill gv's so be it. Its all in support of the teams objective.
I just think its funny that people try and dictate how they are to be killed. Die hard tank guys think they should only be engaged by other ground vehicles. For someone to drop a bomb on their heads is "bad sportsman ship".
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there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with using Lancs to dive bomb GVs. You guys are in a MMO GAME, not a historical war simulator (special scenarios are created and run by the community for that). In MA FFA the object is to kill or BE KILLED. Play the game and die like a good sport. Whiny crying drunk little hating Cretans do more to harm the game than any other force.
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I broke the rules of "sportsmanship" for the game and I was supposed to let the tanks fight it out.
Next time you get a PM like that, have the person point out in the rules were it explicity states that you are not allowed to bomb GVs and let "tanks fight it out" then let them hear the whistle of your bombs as you drop on them.
It's the main arena and the players of the opposing sides are legitimate targets, whether they be in an airplane or in a tank and if they don't want to have their tanks bomb then they should think about bringing some AAA along for the journey.
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killing GVs with a formation of Lancs is very gamey, and certainly not classy.
It worked for the Allies during Operation Cobra, whats wrong with players doing it?
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I think I'm entitled to an undisturbed GV fight.
Then go to the DA and use the GV area for your undisturbed fight. In the MA, you're a target...get used to it.
ack-ack
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Actually, I was part of the battle where this happened and heard him on range "CRAP - I salvoed off my remaining bombs"
We had the town white flagged and troops were in bound and he was the only one with eggs. Other pilots vectored him into where the GV was camped. He did a great job!
I mean, it's not like you vulched someone while they were landing or anything...LOL
:salute
Cheese
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I was called some choice names and told that I needed to get some class. I broke the rules of "sportsmanship" for the game and I was supposed to let the tanks fight it out.
I will dig up the last "read me" file from the last AH patch and see if there are "rules of engagement" posted in there. Im sure I wont find any, but until there are rules, stop sending pm's when you die. It just makes you look like a child.
God if I had a dollar everytime this happened, THEN I WOULDN'T HAVE TO SPEND MY OWN MONEY ON MY SUBSCRIPTION~!! :x :x :x
but here's a nice lil tribute to all the whiny people who got bombed in a gv!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34C9lmt9sDg
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if you cant take being killed in the game then get the hell out of it.
yes :D :aok
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if you cant take being killed in the game then get the hell out of it.
This.
I will say that's why i would like to see a small perk cost on bombs.
A small price on the 1000lbers or 500kgers for fighters, sure, might get attack aircraft in use more. A price on bombs for bombers, hell no.
I think I'm entitled to an undisturbed GV fight.
You're not entitled to anything other than access to the arenas.
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Actually, I was part of the battle where this happened and heard him on range "CRAP - I salvoed off my remaining bombs"
We had the town white flagged and troops were in bound and he was the only one with eggs. Other pilots vectored him into where the GV was camped. He did a great job!
I mean, it's not like you vulched someone while they were landing or anything...LOL
:salute
Cheese
if troops were inbound, then his eggs would've been better used there
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if troops were inbound, then his eggs would've been better used there
How so? Per earlier in the thread, the town was white flagged already.
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I know where your commingle from. The fact that people can argue this topic and justify the pm 's even a little reminds me why I quit.
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How so? Per earlier in the thread, the town was white flagged already.
i thought "white flagged" meant that it was ready for capture? i ain't been in a gv in nearly a year. it doesn't float my boat.....but when i'm in aircraft, i leave em alone...unless it's someone i know, and i wanna piss em off. :devil even then, i generally die trying to accomplish that goal.
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Whats the point of bombing GV's at a Vbase that only has a spawn into another Vbase? If you really don't care for the ground war, then that leaves a couple of options:
1) you died on the ground, and are now out for vengence (example: Cane)
2) you die in the air AND the ground, and so are forced to bomb
3) perks
4) you hate the red guys
5) you're helping out a friend
6) you're a "wins tEh wArsz!!@1!" tard
Only two that should hold any water are numbers 5 and 6. And 6 is markedly weaker than number 5.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veWyTy5JD2M
Sorta like where this M8 gets carpeted?
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came across a GV battle today in my mustang with 2 bombs,dropped 2 panzers to the DELIGHT of the friendly GV's
the GOOD JOBS and WAY TO GO's were cool to hear. after all this is a war game chill guys. Later TURK killed my A5 with his main gun in his m4 I laughed and saluted him...hell of a shot :aok
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Its not a war. Its not even a simulator, as many like to claim.
this game has so many things missing from it that you cant really call it a legitimate true simulation.But nor is it a true console game But more closely resembles a hybred of simulation and arcade for game playability.
If it were a true simulation just taking off and flying from point A to point B alone would be so ovrly complex that many people would simply loose interest
How is calling in airsuport any different than hiding in ack or running to friendlys? Both are actions that piss a lot of people off. Its just letting something (or someone) do your job because you're incapable of doing it yourself.
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Air support is player vs player, ack is player vs AI. :p
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OK, so how about running to swarms of wirblewinds? It still pisses people off, and its still avoiding doing your job. Mobile AA guns were meant to defend vehicles against air attacks, not cover the fighters that are supposed to be flying CAP to keep those same attackers away.
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A price on bombs for bombers, hell no.
That would get wicked expensive, especially with the 80x100lbs loadout, or 40x500lbs with the B-29.
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and its still avoiding doing your job.
Wait, this is a job? All this time I thought that it was a game where you shoot at and bomb players on the opposing teams... Oh wait. I AM right, it IS a game. That was a close one...
Continue egging GVs at will gents. :aok
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Wait, this is a job? All this time I thought that it was a game where you shoot at and bomb players on the opposing teams... Oh wait. I AM right, it IS a game. That was a close one...
Continue egging GVs at will gents. :aok
:aok ( this post is just for the numbers) LOL
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He was upset becasuse he failed to follow the rule requiring air cover for any ground defensive or offensive.
LOL :aok
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Alright, what would you call it then Jager? Whats the tank's purpose for existing in the game if not to take out other tanks? If we're going to just use aircraft for everything, why did Dale bother to make the tanks in the first place?
Ordnance kills a very fun and lively part of the game, and most don't care because it doesn't affect them bombing a fun and lively part of the game. I GUARANTEE the furballers would squal like a branded calf if GV'ers got spawnable AAA guns, hauled them out, and started breaking up furballs.
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Alright, what would you call it then Jager? Whats the tank's purpose for existing in the game if not to take out other tanks? If we're going to just use aircraft for everything, why did Dale bother to make the tanks in the first place?
Tanks are much, much better at killing other tanks than airplanes are. Lancasters got a whopping 0.6% of tank kills in 2010, for example. It is also caters to different tastes from fighters and bombers.
Ordnance kills a very fun and lively part of the game, and most don't care because it doesn't affect them bombing a fun and lively part of the game. I GUARANTEE the furballers would squal like a branded calf if GV'ers got spawnable AAA guns, hauled them out, and started breaking up furballs.
Get air cover is all I can say. A-20s, B-25s, Il-2s and Lancasters are all meat on the table to any fighter. Many furballers would just love to snack on them.
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Or just fly 29s at 35-40k, with a gunner and the extra ammo, take off from and land at the base farthest from the enemy your country has got, and bomb the closest enemy base.
Tada!!!
:D
I am doing my best to make sure no high buff is safe, regardless of altitude.
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I'm not saying just lancasters. And it doesn't matter what percentage of GV kills any particular aircraft or all aircraft totaled got. It still kills fights. Tanks don't mind being killed by another tank, its part of the fight, but tankers resent ordnance. Period, exclamation point even. There is only TWO circumstances under which most players I've asked are fine with bombs falling: spawn camps and airfields being attacked.
I often do ask for air cover. And the response I usually get is this: "......*chirp, chirp, chirp*". Or if I do get some fighter overhead, their first question is "alright, where do you need the ord".
And I don't wanna do it myself, cause I can't fight a tank at the same time. It seems to me a lot of people are saying "well, you're screwed either way, so just up a fighter :aok".
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you mean... we can't bomb gvs now? if they having gv battles? so no air support? WAT friggin rubbish....sometimes i reckon i the developers listen to much to the whiners...then you get people like them complaining abt the fairness of it all...DUDE.. F**K THEM..... bomb them to hell! ROOK,KNIT OR BISH... anyway you can squelch them... dun need to listen to them whine...keep up the bombers! ...anyway thats just my take on that...
People like you are one of the people that ruin the ground game. If there's a bunch of guys out on a spawn battling it out there's absolutely no reason what so ever to bomb them. But then there's people like you who feel like they have to go egg every tank in sight. It's something I absolutely do not understand. If the guys are out there not doing anything to affect you why go bomb them?? It just proves the stupidity of some people who feel the need to ruin a great battle for sometimes 35-40 people.
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A big reason I advocate the FlaK 36 and 90mm M2 is to hear the bomb****s screams of "WAHAHAH!!!!!!! it's too hard!!! It's not fair for you to be able to return fire :cry!!!".
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People like you are one of the people that ruin the ground game. If there's a bunch of guys out on a spawn battling it out there's absolutely no reason what so ever to bomb them. But then there's people like you who feel like they have to go egg every tank in sight. It's something I absolutely do not understand. If the guys are out there not doing anything to affect you why go bomb them?? It just proves the stupidity of some people who feel the need to ruin a great battle for sometimes 35-40 people.
popycock, how can a Jabo or even a bomber ruin 35-40 peoples fun. Its people whining about being engaged in combat that are ruining the game.
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Because its not just ONE jabo, its the bomb**** comunity along with the people like Cane that die once and then scream for ordnance.
And if you kill all of OUR panthers, then theres nothing left to stop YOUR panthers. See the problem? You bomb us which forces us to either up perk tanks again, which will make the other guys scream for you to come back, or retaliate in kind. Either way it keeps building untill the fight is ruined. It can take anywhere between a couple of hours and 5 minutes to ruin a GV fight.
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you mean... we can't bomb gvs now? if they having gv battles? so no air support? WAT friggin rubbish....sometimes i reckon i the developers listen to much to the whiners...then you get people like them complaining abt the fairness of it all...DUDE.. F**K THEM..... bomb them to hell! ROOK,KNIT OR BISH... anyway you can squelch them... dun need to listen to them whine...keep up the bombers! ...anyway thats just my take on that...
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if GV'ers got spawnable AAA guns, hauled them out, and started breaking up furballs.
I hate to burst your bubble but players already do that and you know what? They also whine when the furballers get sick of their little games and drop bombs on them.
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Because its not just ONE jabo, its the bomb**** comunity along with the people like Cane that die once and then scream for ordnance.
Please show were you saw me "Scream"for ordinance!I feel really bad about going WEE-WEE in your Wheaties Please drive a pink tank so I will know which one you are :salute
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Because its not just ONE jabo, its the bomb**** comunity along with the people like Cane that die once and then scream for ordnance.
And if you kill all of OUR panthers, then theres nothing left to stop YOUR panthers. See the problem? You bomb us which forces us to either up perk tanks again, which will make the other guys scream for you to come back, or retaliate in kind. Either way it keeps building untill the fight is ruined. It can take anywhere between a couple of hours and 5 minutes to ruin a GV fight.
I mean this in a harmless way really but this is some of the most messed up thinking...messed up in a really funny funny way.
I think the whole mmo game thing over the last decade has really screwed up a lot of peoples ability, especially younger people, to think rationally. I know its just a game but really, I mean REALLY try to think an issue through before concluding anything.
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"Its understandable on the GV'ers part, people like Cane go around bombing Gv's all day just to land 2 kills" Butcher QUOTE
#1 Will start carring more Ords ,#Thank You!
#2 Normally go for campers behind spawn first, perked tanks second
#3 Got to admit that I enjoy doing it and have no plans to stop. :banana:
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Alright Cane, YOU don't scream for ordnance, but people like you (people that die once and then bomb until the fight ends, which absolutely does happen, often without you even dying in a tank first) do.
AKAK, I was unaware we had large caliber AAA guns other than the CV's 5" dual purpose guns. Could you please point them out to me, as they would greatly increase the number of bomb****s I'm able to knock down.
Its convoluted no doubt, but it makes sense. If you bomb our heavy tanks, then whats left to stop your heavy tanks? We have 2 options to stop them: re up or bomb you back. If we re up, then we get bombed again. That means we bomb you back, when we'd much rather tank.
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If you bomb our heavy tanks, then whats left to stop your heavy tanks?
You're missing the point, any armour that goes into battle without at least trying to gain air superiority is going to get messed up. If you want to have a GV fight, gain air superiority first. In the game or R/L.
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You're missing the point, any armour that goes into battle without at least trying to gain air superiority is going to get messed up. If you want to have a GV fight, gain air superiority first. In the game or R/L.
HEAR HEAR!! :aok
gvs getting pissed cos enemy has aircover is just plain ridiculous!! first gv's wats next?? bomber's getting pissed cos getting shot down, then wats next? fiter pilots pissed cos can't hit anything....what a great game... this game will become (sarcarsm)... you dun like getting bombed??? THEN DUN GO IN WITHOUT AIRCOVER??????!!!!!!!!!!!
who here has not shot,vulched camped belial and gang??? and having him come back in a20 to kill you?? wat do you do... you swallow you ego and pride and move on...cos thats the game... just to prove my point.. i will on bomb**** duty for today...
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So yesterday evening I was flying some Lancs in support of a Vbase attack. I dropped all four hangers and decided to drop alt and help mop up enemy gv's. I found one M4 and dropped some bombs on him, but I forgot to change my salvo to one and ended up dropping my last six bombs on him. As soon as he was dead, the pm's started. I was called some choice names and told that I needed to get some class. I broke the rules of "sportsmanship" for the game and I was supposed to let the tanks fight it out.
People need to relax. Im sure you have figured out by know you dont die in real life. Dont tell someone they need to "get some class" when your the one sending pm's name calling and whining about getting killed in your cartoon tank.
I will dig up the last "read me" file from the last AH patch and see if there are "rules of engagement" posted in there. Im sure I wont find any, but until there are rules, stop sending pm's when you die. It just makes you look like a child.
Atleast he gave me something to post in the "post your funny pm" forum post.
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This can all be fixed. All we need is a guarantee from the GV drivers that they will not in any way attack any Air Base. The GV'ers will get a guarantee that the flyers, no matter what they fly, will stay away from V Bases.
Talk amongst yourselves. :huh
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Easy peazy bomb tarding by fighters, and Camping GV spawns are serious game-play flaws in the game design. They should be addressed. Until then, folks point out these ducks-in-a-barrel scenarios in the hope that people will learn to respect their opponents, and play in a style that promotes fun for everyone.
But there are simply too many people who think irritating people is the fun.
Which is why these things need to be fixed in the code. :salute
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*sight* what don't you people get. The issue is tankers PHYSICLY can't do one single thing to prevent bombing. They have to rely on the charity of others. If a fighter dies, its because he screwed up, and for no other reason. Thats not nessicarily true with a tank. A tank can be doing everything right (upto and including having airsupport and flackers present) and still die to some jack-arse in an A20.
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This can all be fixed. All we need is a guarantee from the GV drivers that they will not in any way attack any Air Base. The GV'ers will get a guarantee that the flyers, no matter what they fly, will stay away from V Bases.
Talk amongst yourselves. :huh
Come on Shuffler. you know and everyone knows the diffrent between tanks duking it out at opposing spawns and Tank rolling a base. If they're rolling a base. bomb them. If their fighting it out on the ground amongst themselves, leave 'em be.
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*sight* what don't you people get. The issue is tankers PHYSICLY can't do one single thing to prevent bombing. They have to rely on the charity of others. If a fighter dies, its because he screwed up, and for no other reason. Thats not nessicarily true with a tank. A tank can be doing everything right (upto and including having airsupport and flackers present) and still die to some jack-arse in an A20.
Ok..you lost me there by saying you can't do anything. And then mentioned having flackers? :headscratch:
Last time i checked a Wirb/ Ostie qualifies as a GV. So if you dont like it, up a wirb or come back in a fighter and shoot down the attacking JABOS
pretty easy
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I said TANKERS can't do anything you dolt. Wirb, ostie, and M16 are NOT tanks, they are self-propelled guns.
And coming back in a fighter is locking the barn door with the horse long gone. If I want to use my new KT, you're saying I should fly CAP for myself.
You are ALL giveing the same unhelpfull advice. What you are saying, in effect, is either deal with the massive loss of perks that can result from bomb****s, ignore our panthers that are shooting at you, or just don't GV.
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Ok..you lost me there by saying you can't do anything. And then mentioned having flackers? :headscratch:
Last time i checked a Wirb/ Ostie qualifies as a GV. So if you dont like it, up a wirb or come back in a fighter and shoot down the attacking JABOS
pretty easy
Uhhhh...up a wirb and get killed by the opposing tanks. :salute
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I do not take a GV, anywhere, ever. I also do not attack GV bases with my aircraft. I very seldom defend a GV base with my aircraft. I do not attack GV's at enemy bases.
If, however, you are an enemy GV at my base, game on, no rules except for what the programming allows.
On the icon thingy, the game graphics do not allow by any stretch of the imagination, you to see nearly as well as in RL. The eye is able to distinguish colors much better, the straight lines that you do not see on a natural object allow the eye to percieve a GV from the air so much better than the game graphis allow that I believe the inclusion of enemy GV icons needs to be in place to better simulate reality.
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What you are saying, in effect, is either deal with the massive loss of perks that can result from bombers, ignore our panthers that are shooting at you, or just don't GV.
Yes now you've got it. :aok It is the risk you run buy upping a highly perked tank.
Uhhhh...up a wirb and get killed by the opposing tanks. :salute
They're free last time i checked...
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So your saying "Play the way I want you to, or don't play at all". Thats hardly fair, but I don't see what I can do in the face of such blind ignorance.
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So your saying "Play the way I want you to, or don't play at all". Thats hardly fair, but I don't see what I can do in the face of such blind ignorance.
No I'm saying that in the AH community this is how the game is played.
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I do not take a GV, anywhere, ever. I also do not attack GV bases with my aircraft. I very seldom defend a GV base with my aircraft. I do not attack GV's at enemy bases.
If, however, you are an enemy GV at my base, game on, no rules except for what the programming allows.
Agree :aok
On the icon thingy, the game graphics do not allow by any stretch of the imagination, you to see nearly as well as in RL. The eye is able to distinguish colors much better, the straight lines that you do not see on a natural object allow the eye to percieve a GV from the air so much better than the game graphis allow that I believe the inclusion of enemy GV icons nees to be in place to better simulate reality.
Not so fast. You have to remember that camo's job is to break up the straight lines. In the real world there are an infinite number of object littering the countryside and and infinite number of colors. In AH there are only huts, wagons, and barns, everything else is a GV. Even without icons it's pretty each to see a gv. This idea that it's so much harder in AH then real life is due to the theory that real eyes see better than the projection in AH only examies half the equation. In game you eye only has to sort through 1/100th the number of colors and object size and shape variations, haze, dust, glare, and other factors. As such I think the Icon is overkill.
Again, No icon for tanks and vehicle without AA capability.
I con at 2500 for Wirb, Ost, M16 [leave as is] would be a big game improvement.
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Agree :aok
Again, No icon for tanks and vehicle without AA capability.
I con at 2500 for Wirb, Ost, M16 [leave as is] would be a big game improvement.
OK, agreed, (not that my agreement is worth a dang thang).
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Oh (great wailing and sounds of gnashing teeth..) where's the honor..
Oh dear Cod. Where art their codes of honor...
(http://www.suhol.com/upload//uploads/images/suhol-3333933555.jpg)
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So your saying "Play the way I want you to, or don't play at all". Thats hardly fair, but I don't see what I can do in the face of such blind ignorance.
Easy there bud.
I think he is saying that is the way the game is played and knowing this, make your choices and live with the consequences of those choices.
Sometimes I find myself getting emotionally involved so to make sure I do not add to the negative rhetoric I remember 2 things.
1.) Think Matrix, there is no spoon, no aircraft, no guns, no enemies, no HO's, no collisions, no GV's, no (overmodeled) ground, etc.
2.) See my sig line.
:salute Play nice.
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2.5K is beyond the reach of a wirblewind. The bullets themselves only go to about 2K I think. The effect that would be that people know what areas are safe before they're even shot at. Thats an even greater butchery of real life than the current model is. 1.5K (1.75k in actuality) icons still let you avoid trouble if you're vigilant.
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2.5K is beyond the reach of a wirblewind. The bullets themselves only go to about 2K I think. The effect that would be that people know what areas are safe before they're even shot at. Thats an even greater butchery of real life than the current model is. 1.5K (1.75k in actuality) icons still let you avoid trouble if you're vigilant.
I thought they were at 2500 which is why I stated that. is it 1500? my mistake. What ever the current icon distance is for wirbs, is fine by me.
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When I am in a gv, I hate the bomb****s, but if I jabo the gvs, I hate the baby talk coming from gv'ers. For me, in this game, I get upset alot about dumb chit. But that watermelon is mostly my own bad moves. This game is a mirror of life really... We get upset with others for doing the same things we do. We get frustrated at things that really are our own fault... AND... Most certainly, we, as in life, can never be at fault.
But... I only send a nasty PM to the Bomb&Bailers. That, IMNSHO, is the only gamey thing that truly gets under my skin.
if you cant take being killed in the game then get the hell out of it.
As for this specific example..... I bet the Salvo Six gave the wrong impression. :)
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GV icon range is 1500yds (1750yds actually). And thats the maximum effective range for most players.
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? ? ? Not sure what we are talking about here......
Icon distance is in yards, altitude is in feet. GV viewing distance (seeing a gv) ingame is 1500 yards, or 4500 feet.
I thought they were at 2500 which is why I stated that. is it 1500? my mistake. What ever the current icon distance is for wirbs, is fine by me.
Who told you that bad information? Or do you mean in meters? Cause that would be about 1300. :headscratch:
(1750yds actually).
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No, the 1.5K icon is visible out to 1750yds, at which point it switches to the 2k icon.
The 1K icon is seen from between 1k and 1250yds.
The 800yd icon is seen between 800yds and 999yds.
The 600yd between 600yds and 799yds.
400 between 400yds and 599yds.
The 200yd icon is seen between 0yds and 399yds.
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Did a Trainer tell you this?
Those might be plane numbers, not gv. :(
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Lusche did, I trust him, as he's almost always accurate with his information.
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No, the 1.5K icon is visible out to 1750yds, at which point it switches to the 2k icon.
The 1K icon is seen from between 1k and 1250yds.
The 800yd icon is seen between 800yds and 999yds.
The 600yd between 600yds and 799yds.
400 between 400yds and 599yds.
The 200yd icon is seen between 0yds and 399yds.
That is only true if the icon is set to be visible beyond 1.5k. If it is set to be 1500 yards it will not show an icon at 1501 yards and will show 1.5k at 1500 yards.
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You are ALL giveing the same unhelpfull advice. What you are saying, in effect, is either deal with the massive loss of perks that can result from bombers, ignore our panthers that are shooting at you, or just don't GV.
It's not advice that you're seeking though, you want us all to agree with you and that's not going to happen. Like I mentioned in another thread you started about this, you basically want us all to play your way and again, as mentioned before that's not going to happen. It's the MA, you're in a tank and there is enemy air support then you should expect to have some steel rain down on you.
ack-ack
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So your saying "Play the way I want you to, or don't play at all". Thats hardly fair, but I don't see what I can do in the face of such blind ignorance.
I think that is what you said.
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Not true ack-ack. If there was a piece of advice that was usefull, or would keep me from dying in my tank if I take it to an enemy base, then I would gladly take it. But all the advice given is either marginaly effective, or usefull only AFTER you've been bombed.
And no, I want to play the way I want to play. If I can do that without losing massive ammounts of perks to bombing (the price set by its capability in GV vs GV combat), then go ahead and bomb me till one of use dies of old age, I really don't care.
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Shuffler, I have always loved your avatar, I'm a big fan of B25's too !!!
:aok
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Shuffler, I have always loved your avatar, I'm a big fan of B25's too !!!
:aok
Locks the doors and pulls the shades. :uhoh
:rofl
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Not true ack-ack. If there was a piece of advice that was usefull, or would keep me from dying in my tank if I take it to an enemy base, then I would gladly take it. But all the advice given is either marginaly effective, or usefull only AFTER you've been bombed.
And no, I want to play the way I want to play. If I can do that without losing massive ammounts of perks to bombing (the price set by its capability in GV vs GV combat), then go ahead and bomb me till one of use dies of old age, I really don't care.
They probably would not bomb you if you upped from a back base somewhere.
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Operation Cobra right after D-Day include massive bombers carpet bombing the crap out of hedgerow country so Bradly, Patton and Monty could actually get somewhere. It resulted in the Falaise pocket and the near collapse of the German's Western front.
I never do the GV thing so maybe it is the equivalent of a HO. I don't know but seems that any ground effort should include proper air and whirble support. I'm OK with it.
Boo
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I don't get the biasedness against tanks. Are you afraid they'll swarm over your fields and camp the runways if you don't bomb the hell out of them?
rockmor, its the equivelant of a rocket-vulch on your tempest. It royaly pisses you off because nothing you did save not upping could have prevented it.
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when i used to fly midwar, i did try to shoot tanks from my p39Q. what i did, was get to about 3-5k alt, then dive almost straight down on em, to hit the top of em.
i think i flew into the ground quite often doing this. was always good for a laugh.
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I don't get the biasedness against tanks. Are you afraid they'll swarm over your fields and camp the runways if you don't bomb the hell out of them?
rockmor, its the equivelant of a rocket-vulch on your tempest. It royaly pisses you off because nothing you did save not upping could have prevented it.
Only ones to get bombed are the least prepared.
Since your obviously so good in a tank why do you need a perk tank? I'd think that a person so good would be driving the lightest of the bunch to show how it is done.
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At camps, I do drive the weak tanks. But if you're trying to fight another panther with an M4 then you're fighting out of your weight.
And how is upping a panther timed to reach town at the same time as bombs from a Jabo/fighter sweep mission arives being poorly prepared?
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Bridge overpasses make good bomb shelters.
I suggest you grab some like minded individuals and practice your bounding overwatch.
Shoot, communicate, move on out. If you are static when the planes show up, you are dead.
More shooting and moving, less pitching and moaning.
:salute
EDIT: Camping is for pukes. :)
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OK, question: how many of you are speaking from experience of more than occasional sorties in a tank?
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I don't get the biasedness against tanks. Are you afraid they'll swarm over your fields and camp the runways if you don't bomb the hell out of them?
:headscratch:.....yes i am afraid of what they can do... thats why i bomb them to prevent them attacking... and if they come back again.. i will bomb them again... till they either get into a plane to claim back their kills (i shall not name names belial...ooops) or they request air support to clear skies... then i got a problem... what you're asking is for me not to attack you.. my point is... what if you win the attack in gvs?? we should bow down in defeat? and surrrender the base to you? cos we can't bomb you rite? ..... like king leonaidas once said.. i"ve got a knee problem that prevents me from bowing...
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In what context are you using that quote? Are you talking about your airfields under attack? Fine bomb us.
But we have swarms of aircraft that up to defend a GV base from a (percieved) attack. A lot of times some of us tankers will go "hey, lets go stir something up at v***". To our pleasure, we have a couple of panthers up. We kill some of them, they kill some of us, and then my buddy FBJunior says "aw crap, we got a stuka here".
Point is leave us alone and we generally leave you alone.
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Tank you really are missing the point. A lot of people play this game to actually kill as many red guys as possible and they don't care what the red guys are in. What you want is never going to happen unless you go to the DA with other tankers. So, you have two options, air superiority or the DA.
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Whats the GV hangers on your fields for if you're not going to up a tank to kill me? Its not really the death that bothers me, or even the loss of perks when you get right down to it. What bugs me is that I, personally, had nothing to do but hope someone else takes care of it. I'd be fine with rocket attacks. Those are possible and you stand about a 50/50 chance of dodging or avoiding it.
All rockets are perfecly capable of killing any GV in the game. I've killed panthers with HVAR's, Tigers's with 4.5"ers, panzers with the 60lbers, and I've even seen a panther killed with a 110's WGr 21's which are air to air rockets.
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Whats the GV hangers on your fields for if you're not going to up a tank to kill me? Its not really the death that bothers me, or even the loss of perks when you get right down to it. What bugs me is that I, personally, had nothing to do but hope someone else takes care of it. I'd be fine with rocket attacks. Those are possible and you stand about a 50/50 chance of dodging or avoiding it.
All rockets are perfecly capable of killing any GV in the game. I've killed panthers with HVAR's, Tigers's with 4.5"ers, panzers with the 60lbers, and I've even seen a panther killed with a 110's WGr 21's which are air to air rockets.
the point of hangers is for gvs to spawn out to battle wherever there is a chance to shoot some red... to help your own gv win... you give them air cover... help them push up or defend... cos its only the men on the ground to occupy that literally wins the day..what else can i say if your country mates does not support your push into enemy territory..except dun push.. and if you still really wanna push despite the odds against you... then expect to be bombed..
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Whats the GV hangers on your fields for if you're not going to up a tank to kill me?
It's for people that may want to up a tank and fight, it doesn't mean it's a requirement. You on the other hand do not want people to bomb your tank because you don't want to lose any perks from it. That is classic "play my way" mentality, no matter how you try and excuse it. You want people to play a certain way, if not then you don't want to be penalized for people playing how they want to play (i.e. bomb your tank) and not according to Jager. Losing your perks when upping a perked ride is part of the risk.
ack-ack
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if bombing gvs from a 4 engine bomber made tactical sense it WOULD of happened in real life. :old: or wait.... did it happen :noid
taking the chance of collateral damage away also the cost of the equipment and crew. what would the army do? if it works then do it! :joystick:
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A-20's are very effective at bombing GV's. I always enjoyed bombing GV's.
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What bugs me is that I, personally, had nothing to do but hope someone else takes care of it.
I mean, this is a team based game... Heaven forbid people use.. team work. How many times have aircraft called out GV locations for you? Your welcome. Also.. I know the squad I have been flying with (Pigs), they work pretty close with guys who up GVs and still work as a squad. So it is possible.
And some people.. actually do enjoy dropping eggs on ground targets.. so tankers do provide that vital role as well. :devil
When it comes down to it... you know the risks of driving a tank. Planes will bomb you. That is how the current game is. You can tell other people that it isn't fair until you are blue in the face. But it doesn't change the fact that in the current state, bombing GVs is going to happen. Drive at your own risk, sir. :salute
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In what context are you using that quote? Are you talking about your airfields under attack? Fine bomb us.
But we have swarms of aircraft that up to defend a GV base from a (percieved) attack. A lot of times some of us tankers will go "hey, lets go stir something up at v***". To our pleasure, we have a couple of panthers up. We kill some of them, they kill some of us, and then my buddy FBJunior says "aw crap, we got a stuka here".
Point is leave us alone and we generally leave you alone.
You realize your barking up the wrong tree. In a flight game your not going to stifle flight. What you are looking for is a game with no birds. I pointed you to one earlier. You'll enjoy the graphics too.
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You realize your barking up the wrong tree. In a flight game your not going to stifle flight. What you are looking for is a game with no birds. I pointed you to one earlier. You'll enjoy the graphics too.
Isn't it sad the top 4 threads in General are all about the exact same thing with the same people arguing the same points? lol Maybe we should get some consolidation. I think a new thread is in order! :devil
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Isn't it sad the top 4 threads in General are all about the exact same thing with the same people arguing the same points? lol Maybe we should get some consolidation. I think a new thread is in order! :devil
hear hear! :aok
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If you're red, you're dead....it's about that simple. After all, that is the game. Anything else is philosophical and this game offers zero positive feedback for a player's philosophical successes. I guess there is the way each person thinks the game should be played and then there is way it is. The player that embraces the latter vs the former has a greater "fun quotient"
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I think I'm going to start a two week trial just so I can carpet bomb Tank-Ace for fourteen days straight.
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Whats the GV hangers on your fields for if you're not going to up a tank to kill me? Its not really the death that bothers me, or even the loss of perks when you get right down to it. What bugs me is that I, personally, had nothing to do but hope someone else takes care of it. I'd be fine with rocket attacks. Those are possible and you stand about a 50/50 chance of dodging or avoiding it.
All rockets are perfecly capable of killing any GV in the game. I've killed panthers with HVAR's, Tigers's with 4.5"ers, panzers with the 60lbers, and I've even seen a panther killed with a 110's WGr 21's which are air to air rockets.
many times the best move you can do in a gv is not to up one. I have seen guys get killed 30 or 40 times in a row in less than 1 hour.
semp
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I think I'm going to start a two week trial just so I can carpet bomb Tank-Ace for fourteen days straight.
you meanie you!! :noid
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if bombing gvs from a 4 engine bomber made tactical sense it WOULD of happened in real life. :old: or wait.... did it happen :noid
Yeah but they didn't send up 3 lancasters (formations) to assassinate one particular tank, or even an anonymous individual tank.
I mean, this is a team based game... Heaven forbid people use.. team work. How many times have aircraft called out GV locations for you? Your welcome. Also.. I know the squad I have been flying with (Pigs), they work pretty close with guys who up GVs and still work as a squad. So it is possible.
Depending on what squad you're in, what time you're able to get on, what time OTHERS are able to get on, etc. So yeah, if I wanted to get on at 1 AM, I could probably get some airsupport. Unfortunatly, I tend to be asleep at that hour.
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Yeah but they didn't send up 3 lancasters (formations) to assassinate one particular tank, or even an anonymous individual tank.
Individual tanks also didn't mount offensives.
The scale in the game is greatly reduced.
Also, stop with the moving goalposts.
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A lancaster group would be worthy of a battalion - regimental sized attak at least. So lets say that one tank represents an entire company of tanks IRL, not an unrealistic estimate based on the scaling of the map. That means we're treating a small probing attack like a large concentration of tanks.
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A lancaster group would be worthy of a battalion - regimental sized attak at least. So lets say that one tank represents an entire company of tanks IRL, not an unrealistic estimate based on the scaling of the map. That means we're treating a small probing attack like a large concentration of tanks.
Still moving the goalposts.
You cannot reduce the Lancasters below where they are, so deal with it.
Low Lancs are free kills to almost all fighters from 1941 or later, sorry C.202.
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Still moving the goalposts.
You cannot reduce the Lancasters below where they are, so deal with it.
Low Lancs are free kills to almost all fighters from 1941 or later, sorry C.202.
the lower the better.... and pls come without fighter escort FTW....
:salute