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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Tarmac on October 28, 2003, 02:18:21 AM
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A buddy of mine is a 3d graphics guy. As part of his portfolio he's modelling a Hind. We're both kind of stumped as to what this thing is though. Looks like it may be some sort of countermeasure dispenser, but the doors face forward, not backward. Maybe a sensor of some sort?
The big pod right under the gunner, on the right side of the craft. Here are a couple of pics.
http://www.brent-thomas.com/mi-24_1.jpg
http://www.brent-thomas.com/4940.jpg
http://www.brent-thomas.com/4942.jpg
http://www.brent-thomas.com/4943.jpg
(http://www.brent-thomas.com/1900.jpg)
Btw, if anyone needs a 3d graphic artist, he's looking for work
:)
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Definitely some sort of sensor.
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I'll bet for the ATGM targeting system: low-level light TV, laser designator and FLIR... KPS-53A electro-optical sighting pod.
On the other side is the Raduga-F semi-automatic missile guidance pod.
Just an educated guess.:aok
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Klingon's Cloaking Device :rofl :rofl :rofl
.... no idea about.... :D
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Always wanted to fly one of those. Anyone fancy starting up a syndicate? Sure there must one out there in our price range. Quite a laugh to land at the local flying club.
...-Gixer
~Hells Angels~
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HIND F: Fixed 30-mm twin gun on the right fuselage side.
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Website said Hinds max G-load was 1.75 Gs!! Thats absolutely horrible. Must be an error?
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Originally posted by Gixer
Always wanted to fly one of those.
cc, they're gorgeous in a weird ass-kicking butt-ugly kinda way :)
Thanks for the replies. Frenchy obviously knows his stuff on 'em.
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Originally posted by Gixer
Always wanted to fly one of those. Anyone fancy starting up a syndicate? Sure there must one out there in our price range. Quite a laugh to land at the local flying club.
You will, of course, need a kickass paint job...
(http://www.jrgach.com/sept11/copter2.jpg)
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Raduga LLLTV/FLIR. The doors are for FOD protection.
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Originally posted by Gixer
Always wanted to fly one of those. Anyone fancy starting up a syndicate? Sure there must one out there in our price range. Quite a laugh to land at the local flying club.
I read an interview in the mid '90s of one of our helo pilots who does op for work in Army training exercises and who had also flown the full range of US helos including the Comanche. He said that of all the helos he had flown the Mi-24 Hind was the one he liked to fly most. It wasn't what he'd most want to fight in, but for flying fun the Mi-24 was it.
He did mention that the Mi-24 was very good against US troops at the beginning of training exercises as they didn't really understand how fast it is. It is, IIRC, the fastest helo in the world still.
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The bulbous section is a flip down lid that covers up a Raduga - F SACLOS and LLTV system under the nose. The Gun is a gattling style GSH-23.
The 1.75 G limit was set because of the problem of mast bumping and tail strikes. The hind also had a nasty problem called "pick up" in a recovery from a high G dive the main rotors could and many times did strike the tail boom.
If you combine that with high density altitude operation and an already heavy rotor disc loading - you have a craft that while fast - does not like to change direction and mush's in turns. 1 particular incident speaks to this during the cold war.
Before the AH-64 came into play, the Hind's main adversary was the AH-1 Cobra. In this encounter the Hind's advantages lay in its speed and rate of climb, while its weakness were poor horiziontal maneuverability. The Hinds usually met the Cobra's on opposite sides of the fences from East and West Germany. Most encounters were peaceful but in the early 80's a Hind was scrambled to intercept an AH-1G. The cobra pilot was really sharp - he would follow the boarder at low level, repeately accellerate, pitch up sharply to bleed off speed. The Hind crew had a hard time following the Cobra crew, when the Cobra pitched up and the Hind crew tried to follow by hauling back - it tumbled and mushed, the pilot did the only thing possible - he pushed the stick forward to unload the main rotors and to avoid hitting the ground back again. Seconds later the main's struck the tailboom and the crew was killed.
As for the Hind's legacy - it stands as the 1 aircraft that has seen continual combat for its entire operational history and is a very mature and robust weapons platform. I'd take it up anyday.
Wolfala
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Seems to me that the Hind combines the negative qualities of both an attack helicopter and cargo helicopter into 1 platform.
Its huge, can carry only 8 troops, and has a 1.75g limit. Not good at all.
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Ah yes the Hind. Coolness factor is enormous, looks like a giant bug!
I'm sure many of the Hind's vices have been addressed in later models and upgrades.
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Yep ... better be on the right side of the fence:D (http://www.aeronautics.ru/m/mi24005.jpg)
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I still can't get over the 1.75g limit. This aircraft is not even supposed to be able to pull 1 g!
2 things- Either this g limit is totally bogus, or the hind is just a stationary helicopter.
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Its wonderful to know that someone else out there is intelligent enough to read World Air Power Journal :)
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Originally posted by Karnak
I read an interview in the mid '90s of one of our helo pilots who does op for work in Army training exercises and who had also flown the full range of US helos including the Comanche. He said that of all the helos he had flown the Mi-24 Hind was the one he liked to fly most. It wasn't what he'd most want to fight in, but for flying fun the Mi-24 was it.
He did mention that the Mi-24 was very good against US troops at the beginning of training exercises as they didn't really understand how fast it is. It is, IIRC, the fastest helo in the world still.
Karnak, the Hokum and the Havoc were faster and they have faster then the Hind. Both RUssian.
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Originally posted by Tarmac
A buddy of mine is a 3d graphics guy. As part of his portfolio he's modelling a Hind. We're both kind of stumped as to what this thing is though. Looks like it may be some sort of countermeasure dispenser, but the doors face forward, not backward.
it's obvious!! those are the hind teats!
:D
oh.. not them orange thingys...
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They can not hover and take off vertically.
I big handicap for a chopper i think.
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Yes they can hover and take off vertically, I've seen this myself.
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The AH-1Z Super Cobra has a 2.6 G limit and 3.5 G's for the AH-64 Apache.
1.75 G's for a 12 ton monster like the Hind doesn't sound unreasonable. (Even suggesting it can't hover or take off vertically is ludicrous. It's a battlefield troop transport for crying out loud!)
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There are some situations where a helicopter, especially one with
wheels, will choose to get a "running start" before lifting off into
the vertical.In some cases of high altitude / density altitude and
a large payload, a running start allows the chopper to get into the
air with more payload and less strain on the systems. Also in dusty enviroments, a rolling takeoff helps keep the pilots vison
ahead clear as the dust is left behind.
In regards to the G-forces, most helicopters rarely pull any G's at
all due to the fact that they are relatively slow (most under 200
mph) and in most cases do not require abrupt manuevers at high
speeds. The Hind, is however one of the attack helicopters that
does operate more like a fixed wing airplane (high speed, wider
turns) and is also one of the most heavily armored helicopters
flying in the world today.
I remember reading a quote from the afganistan war in the the
rebels said, "We are not afraid of the Russians, but we are afraid
of their Helicopters"......... :)
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I remember reading a quote from the afganistan war in the the
rebels said, "We are not afraid of the Russians, but we are afraid
of their Helicopters".........
I also remember another famous Russian quote with regard to the Hind during the Afgan War:
"The Hinds flew lower, slower and ovr shorter distances than enayone else', paraphrasing a Soviet Slogan of the 1930's "fly higher, faster and farther than everyone else"
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Originally posted by Karnak
It is, IIRC, the fastest helo in the world still.
Westland Lynx
following several trial runs, made the actual record attempt on 11th August over a measured 15 km (9.3 mile) route on the Somerset levels. The final speed, verified by the FAI, was 400.87 kph (249.09 mph) a 9% increase over the previous record. In 1991 the aircraft was modified for flight tests but by mid 1992 the helicopter was again placed in storage. Following an approach from the Helicopter Museum in late 1994, Westland agreed to transfer the aircraft for display and it was moved from storage to the museum on 19th January 1995. G-LYNX remains the World Speed Record holder, 14 years after it took the title.
(http://www.helicoptermuseum.co.uk/aircraft/glynx.jpg)
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On the ones I had delt with, on the side a foot back and a foot up from the star was a Hydraulic tank that was un armored...... Put one round in it and they had to tear the whole thing down to patch it........ it made a great time waster.
Gunns
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For anyone who's interested, here's the model he made. It's about 90% done (no windows or texture), but he's moving on to other stuff and coming back to this one later.
Thanks for the replies everyone.
(http://www.brent-thomas.com/hind.jpg)