Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rogwar on October 28, 2003, 11:14:36 AM
-
I always find this stuff truly amazing....
CAIRO (Reuters) - Most Arab media said Tuesday that U.S. security failures were to blame for the latest suicide bombings in Baghdad and some said the bloodbath in Iraq (news - web sites)'s capital might only prolong the presence of U.S. troops.
Despite its military might, commentators said Washington had failed the Iraqis by not providing enough security to stop the devastating attacks that killed 35 people Monday at the start of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.
"Iraq, on the first day of Ramadan, was the scene of a bloodbath and occupation forces are directly responsible for this because of the instability they created in Iraq," wrote the daily al-Khaleej, published in the United Arab Emirates.
But, like others, the daily said it feared the bombings, that included an attack on the Red Cross headquarters in Baghdad, would only extend the U.S. occupation that many in the region see as a thinly veiled act of colonialism.
"The bombing which targeted a humanitarian organization...serves the occupation and extends it instead of ending it," the paper said.
Saudi Arabia's leading al-Riyadh newspaper said the United States had to give up its dreams of controlling Iraq and the whole region or face further attacks.
"The political bubble has burst in Baghdad. Will it be followed by other explosions or will the voice of reason prevail over the American dream of hegemony?" the Arabic daily wrote.
Some were outspoken against those who carried out the attacks that cost the lives of dozens of Iraqis and wounded 230 by targeting the Red Cross and three police stations.
"What happened yesterday in Baghdad is a crime by all measures, but it is more disgraceful than a crime: it is a deadly political mistake," wrote Lebanon's as-Safir daily.
"Such political mistakes help the occupation to justify its horrible crimes," it added.
FIGHTING OCCUPATION
In Gaza, where Palestinians have been waging a three-year-old uprising against Israeli occupation, there was some sympathy for resistance but not at the price of civilian deaths.
"We condemn attacks on civilians, but that does not mean that resistance should stop, it must focus more and more on soldiers," said Dib el-Malek, a taxi driver.
Yemeni journalist Fares Ghanim said U.S. mistakes were driving people to despair, storing up further problems.
"If the security situation continues it will provide a fertile ground for Muslim extremists who want to take revenge on Americans," Ghanim said.
In non-Arab Iran, reformist parliamentarian Reza Yousefian said: "It is unjustifiable to kill ordinary people in the name of an anti-American campaign. On the contrary, the more insecurity prevails in Iraq, the longer Americans will stay."
Egypt's Al-Akhbar daily said the message was clear: "The only way to disentangle from this deadlock in which the United States finds itself and to avoid becoming mired in a swamp is to speed up the hand over of power to Iraqis."
-
Personally, I'd love nothing more than to pull every cent away from the Middle east and watch this little creatures try and sell oil to each other.
INVEST IN FUEL CELL TECHNOLOGY!!!
hehe
-
Yeah, we're to blame for everything there. :rolleyes:
While they are blowing their own citizens up, and the UN and police up...the rest of the world is trying to pitch in and help rebuild that country into something civilized. Thing is, their the only ones who dont get it.
I'm always fascinated by big talking guys holding ak-47s and covering their faces. Rates up there with Channel 1 banter. Show us your face, b_itch :p
-
of course - who else do you think they'd blame - themselves?
-
Doesn't the overwhelming gratitude for their "unsolicitated" liberation fill your heart with warmth.
-
Originally posted by DmdNexus
Doesn't the overwhelming gratitude for their "unsolicitated" liberation fill your heart with warmth.
who the Syrians?
-
Originally posted by DmdNexus
Doesn't the overwhelming gratitude for their "unsolicitated" liberation fill your heart with warmth.
how loud do you cheer with each explosion?
-
Originally posted by Eagler
how loud do you cheer with each explosion?
Did you had a hard-on when Israelis killed some "Pal" (Your word, not mine) politicians or when they were threatening to kill Arafat?
-
I know I do.
-
God, I'd love to see Arafat get one between the eyes.
He's a terrorist...always has been.
Seems alot of folks forgot this.
-
"a thinly veiled act of colonialism."
What is so bad about colonialism?
Take a look at the most of the former British colonies that have now gained their independence...now they have a horribly de-valued currency, crime is rampant and it isn't safe to walk the streets.
Sounds alot like Iraq.
A bit of US colonialsm will do them a world of good.
I mean..hey...pretty soon they could be able to buy a Big Mac. I still can't.
:(
-
Originally posted by Curval
I mean..hey...pretty soon they could be able to buy a Big Mac. I still can't.
Maybe you will get lucky, not ever eat a big mac, and add 10 years to your heart;)
-
Originally posted by Sixpence
Maybe you will get lucky, not ever eat a big mac, and add 10 years to your heart;)
Too late man. ;)
They tried to bring McDonalds here...everyone said "No way"..we don't want our island to be too influenced by the US, otherwise it would look like Miami Beach or Grand Cayman .
-
Originally posted by Staga
Did you had a hard-on when Israelis killed some "Pal" (Your word, not mine) politicians or when they were threatening to kill Arafat?
hell yeah! because I remember them dancing in the streets on 9/11.....
-
Eliminating Arafat would really not help that much to reduce terrorism. In fact, he likely would make a great martyr. While I agree he might qualify for the hit list. There are other characters of higher priority that need aggressive targeting.
Truthfully, I am in doubt of a viable solution for greatly reducing terrorism, which seems today more like global guerilla warfare. Just look at all the fanatics that seem qued up for the opportunity to become human bomb delivery devices.
Can anyone really see an end in sight?
-
The palestinians who were shown on TV after 9/11 dancing on street...
There was a detailed report on german TV about these pictures.
These palestinians were dancing for other reasons - but they even didnt knew what was happening in the USA.
Now most people in the USA only remember the palastinians as criminals who were dancing on the street because americans were killed in a terroristic action.
Thats the way propaganda is working. And its interestinmg how effective some propaganda pictures could cause fear and anger in normal people and make them accepting things which they never would accept in normal life.
-
of course - who else do you think they'd blame - themselves?
And this coming from an American?
-
Originally posted by Udie
hell yeah! because I remember them dancing in the streets on 9/11.....
You remember footage of some Palistiians dancing in the street.
None of which were members of the PA. Infact, the PA including Arafat denounced the attacks strongly.
-
No, the images of dancing pals after 9-11 were real. Despite the fact that the Pals have been trying everything in their power to distance themselves from it, including claiming that they are faked.
Arafat was on TV the same day trying to deny the reports, knowing the PR nightmare they are. LOL that old **** even went to donate blood to the victims...he should call of his suicide bomber minions instead...
And Thrawn, did you really expect members of the PA (Palestinian Authority presumably) to dance in the streets? That would be like Chiracq or Shröder or a German or French cabinet minister dancing in the street after another suicide bomber in Baghdad.
-
Palis DID dance in streets 9/11 (http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.htm)
-
Palis DID dance in streets 9/11
This is so strange.
-
Originally posted by Curval
Too late man. ;)
They tried to bring McDonalds here...everyone said "No way"..we don't want our island to be too influenced by the US, otherwise it would look like Miami Beach or Grand Cayman .
Too many clowns and pink sand there already.
-
Originally posted by Maniac
This is so strange.
Its hard to believe that these are the same people who raise their children to hate. The same people who praise them when they blow themsleves up while killing as many civilians as possible.
People like this are about as low as any human could possibly be.
Trying to find our bearings, my husband and I went into an American-style cafe in the Hamra district, near Rue Verdun, rated as one of the most expensive shopping streets in the world. Here the cognitive dissonance was immediate, and direct. The café's sophisticated clientele was celebrating, laughing, cheering and making jokes, as waiters served hamburgers and Diet Pepsi. Nobody looked shocked, or moved. They were excited, very excited.
An hour later, at a little market near the U.S. Embassy, on the outskirts of Beirut, a thrilled shop assistant showed us, using his hands, how the plane had crashed into the twin towers. He, too, was laughing.
Once back at the house where we were staying, we started scanning the international channels. Soon came reports of Palestinians celebrating. The BBC reporter in Jerusalem said it was only a tiny minority. Astonished, we asked some moderate Arabs if that was the case. "Nonsense," said one, speaking for many. "Ninety percent of the Arab world believes that Americans got what they deserved."
An exaggeration? Rather an understatement. A couple of days later, we headed north to Tripoli, near the Syrian border. On the way, we read that Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, who donated blood in front of the cameras, was rejecting any suggestion that his people were rejoicing over the terrorist attack. "It was less than 10 children in Jerusalem," he said.
dancing in streets (http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.htm)
-
I blame Flip Wilson.
He's the one that made "The Devil made me do it!" defense so well-known and popular.
-
Its hard to believe that these are the same people who raise their children to hate. The same people who praise them when they blow themsleves up while killing as many civilians as possible.
Nuke, you know better than to put words in other peoples mouths...
I find it strange because they ran an story here where they looked up the old lady in person (she who danced and made funny noises) and interviewed her and everything...
And she didnt looked like she had aged a day!
"The cake bribe story"
-
Originally posted by Hortlund
No, the images of dancing pals after 9-11 were real. Despite the fact that the Pals have been trying everything in their power to distance themselves from it, including claiming that they are faked.
My apologies Hortlund. I did not mean to imply that the images were fake. My contention is that those few that did dance, do not represent Palistine, or it's government.
-
Originally posted by Maniac
Nuke, you know better than to put words in other peoples mouths...
I find it strange because they ran an story here where they looked up the old lady in person (she who danced and made funny noises) and interviewed her and everything...
And she didnt looked like she had aged a day!
"The cake bribe story"
I wasn't putting words in anyone's mouth . Maybe I shoudn't have quoted you, my post didn't really need it....but I used it as a reference.
-
The Arabs, their media and frankly their governments, even those 'friendly' to the West blame America (or Israel) for everything. It suits them because they don't have look at themselves. If everything is America's fault then they don't have to face reality. Most of their problems are self inflicted but to face that is alien to their culture which is essentially fatalistic in character. If Allah didn't make it happen then 'Boosh' did it or Clinton or whoever is in power at the time.
911 was a conspiracy of Mossad and the CIA to give an excuse to attack on Afghanistan and launch a crusade against Islam! A laughable statement? I've had that said to me in all seriousness by a moderate Muslim. I suggested the he felt that way because he could not countenance the idea that his faith and his people could commit such an atrocity. He didn't accept that but I don't think I'm wrong.
The average ignorant man in the Arab street just knows what he is told. He's poor because America deems it so. It's not because his government is corrupt or incompetent. Bush did it.
For all the oil swishing around the Middle East there is an astonishing amount of poverty stricken Arabs out there. So much for Arab solidarity or Muslim charity.
So it's no surprise that Palestinians danced in the streets after 911. Their poverty and oppression was in their view caused by America. Similarly the Arab media blaming America for 'security failures' is a way of avoding the unpalatable fact that those bombs were planted by Arab terrorists to kill fellow Arabs and muslims.
It's America's fault for failing them to protect them from their own people!
It's a mad mad world!
-
Our only fault is that we are stupid enough to believe in a better world, for ourselves and for others. We are stupid enough to think that Good will triumph on it's own merit. We are gullible enough to think that because it is possible for the poor and the weak to succeed in our country, that it is possible everywhere. We refuse to believe that people can be Evil, both as individuals, and as societies.
We are ****ing stupid.
-
Originally posted by Thrawn
My apologies Hortlund. I did not mean to imply that the images were fake. My contention is that those few that did dance, do not represent Palistine, or it's government.
And you know this how?
-
Well, Arabs always blame us and the rest of the country, I dont know why they always blame us and maybe they think they need attention or what? :confused:
-
I read that.. Then i scrolled down the news and saw "bush plames terrorists for bombings in baghdad."
Terrorists: "It's your fault US."
Bush: "it's your fault terrorists."
lol
-
To my knowledge talibans werent really in favor among the arab countries.. or whole afganistan for that matter after russians left it.
So.. if US would just pack up the bags now and leave, along with other 'occupation' forces, we'd have an afganistan deja vu in iraq.
All those bigger and smaller groups would fight to death with each other until one comes on top - most likely yet another taliban like group which cuts hands for stealing bread etc.
By all means, go ahead arabs, if thats what the iraqis wants. :rolleyes:
-
Originally posted by AKIron
And you know this how?
My apologies AKIron, it is possible that that those few individuals somehow, miracuously did represent the Palaistinian people and their government. Because after all anything is possible. Just like it is possible that GWB's mind was taken over by extra terrestrial beings and was directed to initiate the attacks of 9/11 upon the American public, secretly
Now me having accepted the possibility, why don't you enjoy the burden of proof, and present evidence that those few dancers did somehow represent the Palistinian people and there government.