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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on October 28, 2003, 06:41:07 PM
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Toad, you had a F350 no?
I'm heading over to Eastern WA to look at a 2001 F350 4WD, 5.4L Triton, 48,000 miles, camper package, White, clean Carfax.
Hows your truck running? I'm selling the F150, we've outgrown it.
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Black of course? Be sure to get the optional gold trim accents and some spinners.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I'm heading over to Eastern WA to look at a 2001 F350 4WD, 5.4L Triton, 48,000 miles, camper package, White, clean Carfax.
Hows your truck running? I'm selling the F150, we've outgrown it.
and....I was considering 28" wheels. ;)
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Rip,
I had a '99 F250 Crew, V-10. First year for the Crew Shortbeds, I think and they had some minor probs. However, Ford did all the Bulletins.. ALL the bulletins.. for free. Got free brakes/rotors all the way round at 35,500 for no necessary reason that I could tell. :)
Traded that for an 03 F250 Crew V-10. (What can I say.. I know the guy and he made me a deal I couldn't refuse. I drove the '99 about 65k for 15 cents a mile. Plus I was looking at about $700 in tires and another $300 in other "consumables" before this hunting season.)
Anyway, I liked 'em both and both have been really trouble free. Although if they want to give me free brakes again I'll take 'em.
I'm pulling a 31' Coachmen with it (bought it used for hunting.. 10 years old.) and it has NO problem lugging a 6000# trailer around behind it.
I will say this. My hunting buddy had an '01 250 Supercab with the 5.4 and it was a tiny bit on the sluggish side. Wouldn't want to be pulling much with that one in hilly country. He just swapped it for an '04 that's exactly the same truck except it has the V10. No lack of power now.
In short... I like the big Fords.
Run it through http://WWW.alldata.com and see what bulletins turn up and then see if he guy had the work done. That also tells you what kind of things they know they had problems with in some trucks and you can look/listen for that stuff when you look at this one.
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Oh, yeah.. the 350's ride like a cement wagon unless you put about 700 pounds in the back. A 250 only needs maybe 400......
:)
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Unless you have an adverse reaction to Diesels, I suggest getting a PowerStroke over the Triton engine. They don't have quite the zip leaving the stoplight, but the endurance, higher fuel milage and added bottom end power more than make up for it.
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Rip,
If your looking for a big truck and want a quiet and softer ride, get the Dodge. I have a F350 dually PSD turbo and it's an OK hauler (RV 5th Wheel) but the Dodge has it beat on all areas. The Ford ride is harsher and the engine is noiseir than even the early Dodge diesels.
Get the diesel as it will last longer and get better mileage than a gasser. The resale is higher as well.
If I weren't looking now for an even larger truck (Volvo 610 class 8) I'd be looking to get a Dodge 3500 with the high output diesel and an auto trans. for hauling my 5er. Even then at 16k capacity the 5er would be more than the truck is rated for. (17,000 lbs) The Ford is only rated for 14k. and in hauling the rig it's very obvious it can't hack it. :(
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As a simple test, I put an 01 F250 Crew in Kelly Blue Book, 50k miles, Excellent. V10= $21,000, Diesel = $25,700. About ~$4700 difference.
Guess how much difference it would have been to buy the Diesel over the V10 when purchasing the truck new..... that's right, $4700.
Depending on the fluctuations in the market, I've seen diesel fuel both more and less expensive than gas here. Mileage? Unloaded my V10 is getting 14+ on the highway at 75+. It does better at 80 than it does at 75. I'm sure the diesel gets a little better mileage, but that's it.. it's a little better.
And speaking of savings.. every maintenance item you do on a diesel costs way more than it does on gas. Now, I do all of my routine maintenance BUT here's a clip from a Ford dealer on truck service pricing:
Change Engine Oil and Oil Filter …………………..……………………… $21.95
Change Diesel Oil and Filter …………………..…………………………… $74.95
The diesels take 15 quarts and the V10 takes 6. The diesel filter costs more too.
Maybe if I hauled a load the majority of the time, I'd run a diesel. But I run relatively unloaded most of the time and I like gas engines.
In my case.. my case.. I just can't justify the diesel.
But, that's why they make both.. so you guys can have the smokers and I can have the V10.
Best of both worlds.
(BTW, Mav.. shooting buddy of mine just sold his '01 Dodge diesel because he couldn't hack the noise in the cabin on long trips. Bought a Ford. :)
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Originally posted by Toad
Oh, yeah.. the 350's ride like a cement wagon unless you put about 700 pounds in the back. A 250 only needs maybe 400......
:)
Gosh, my Boss's F-350 V-10 rides very smooth. It's a great truck.
I have the wussy F-250 V-8 and it's a good truck too.
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Toad,
You going to the wrong place for the oil change. Walmart doesn't hype up the price.
Diesel, oil change 7k to 10k miles, not 3k.
Diesel here is over 15 to 20 cents less per gallon. I get 16+ combined and 19 on the highway.
Still prefer the Dodge but the Ford was available first so I got it. Next is a Volvo semi tractor. Can we say power??? 430 to 500 HP and up to 1650+ft lbs of torque. :D
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Mav, I do my own maintenance. I don't care what Ford charges the suckers. ;) Just pointing out that 15 quarts is always more expensive than 6.
My '03 Scheduled Maintenance Guide says the "Normal" service interval is the same for both gas and diesel, 5000 miles. "Special Operating Conditions" (like Towing) is 3000 miles for both gas and diesel.
Now, decent oil is about $1.50 a quart; diesels use 9 more than the V10. Extra 9 gallons of gas for the V10 every 3000 miles when towing. ;)
I agree that diesels get better mileage overall. I'm just saying it's not worth fronting the extra $5K to me. Especially when I've seen diesel so close in price to gas most of the time, if not more than gas. Lately, though, diesel has been cheaper. That $5000 for the diesel engine divided by $1.50 V10 gas is about 3333 gallons of gas @ say 13 mph.. enough to go another 43,000 miles or so.
At a 4 mpg advantage to the diesel, you'll burn 10,000 gallons to even that out. 16 mpg average? You'll have to drive 160,000 miles to break even.
I usually keep my trucks about 100-125K, so I don't care that a diesel will go 250,000 miles. I get tired of 'em and want the new technology and comfort stuff.
Heck, when Ford finally made a Crew Cab short bed, I jumped for joy and sold my F150 Supercab immediately. For me, I now have the perfect hunting/dog training vehicle for what I do with my family and friends.
But like I said, if you want a diesel, it's there for you. I just don't like 'em.
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Thks toad, et al.
I'm going with gas since this truck will sit 90% of the time. Diesels were made to run...a diesel engine doesn't sit well undriven for great lengths of time I am told and quite frankly, diesel fumes make me ill.
I ran this thru Carfax and no recalls, etc, have affected this make and year. Its clean.
Mav, I don't mind the harsh ride as the only time I'll be driving this is when it has a load in the back anyway.
My only concern is what toad highlited, is it enough HP to carry an 11 ft. camper and pull a small boat up and down the mountain passes?
Thks for the feedback all! I'll post some pics of the rig on Friday if I can swing a good deal on it. I'm in no hurry to buy, and salesmen hate that, but if I can get them into my price, then I may be the owner of a new rig.
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Rip,
This is what I meant about all data:
They have Safety Recalls.. stuff that must be done
General Recalls and I'd sure be looking at THOSE on this truck. Driveshaft and Transmission? What's that all about... might be nothing, but I'd want to know what it said.
Technical Service Bulletins... this is where I got my new brakes for free. Saw a bulletin, took truck in and asked them to check it out. New brakes for free. :D
This truck has a front brake caliper issue. Did they agree to replace them for customers that complain?
Anyway, here's the pertinent stuff for that truck.
Bulletins for 2001 Ford Truck F 350 4WD Super Duty V8-330 5.4L SOHC VIN L SFI
Safety Recalls
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title 01S24 AUG 01 Recall - Defective Wiper Motor Switch/Gear Cover
01S21 JUL 01 Recall - Outboard Seats Belt May Not Fully Latch
01S10 MAR 01 Recall - Driver's Airbag Replacement
01S12 MAR 01 Recall - Fuel Filler Pipe Ground Installation
General Recalls
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title 00L12 JAN 01 Campaign - Warranty Guide Supplement
00B53 OCT 00 Campaign - Front Driveshaft Replacement
00B54 AUG 00 Campaign - 4R100 Transmission Replacement
Service Bulletins
TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title 03-9-8 MAY 03 Emissions - MIL ON/EVAP System DTC's Set
03-9-11 MAY 03 Engine Controls - Rough Idle/Hesitation
03-6-2 MAR 03 Engine - Oil Leak From R/H Cylinder Head Gasket
03-4-1 MAR 03 Drivetrain - Front Locking Hub Service Tips
02-21-1 OCT 02 A/T - Torque Converter Access Plug Dislodges
02-21-13 OCT 02 Engine - Cylinder Head Straightedge Surface Check
02-21-9 OCT 02 Lighting - Additional Turn Signal/Hazard Flasher Bulbs
02-20-8 OCT 02 A/C System - Diagnosis and Service Tips
02-19-4 SEP 02 Starting System - Starter Failure/Ignition Lock Sticking
02-17-6 SEP 02 A/T - Inadvertent Shift Interlock Disabling
02-16-4 AUG 02 Audio System - Whining/Buzzing Noise From Speakers
02-11-4 JUN 02 Aluminum Engine - New Cleaners/Service Tips
02-10-8 MAY 02 Fuel System - Whistling Noise
02-3-5 FEB 02 Tailgate - Squeaking/Binding Condition
02-4-5 FEB 02 Battery - Charging Tips and Guidelines
02-2-3 FEB 02 Engine - Aluminum Block/Head Machining
02-1-4 JAN 02 Engine Head Gasket - Approved Replacement Procedures
02-1-9 JAN 02 Engine Oil - Oil Recommendations/Applications
02-1-6 JAN 02 Wheels/Tires - Road Force Measurement Equipment
01-24-6 DEC 01 Engine - Oil System Priming Procedures
01-23-6 NOV 01 Engine Coolant - Propylene Glycol Recommendations
01-21-4 OCT 01 Bi-Fuel - Lock Off Solenoid/Tank Valve Coil Resistance
01-21-13 OCT 01 Ignition Switch - High Turning Effort/MIL ON/DTC's Set
01-20-5 OCT 01 Driveability - Vacuum Leak Detection
01-24-1 OCT 01 Clutch - Pedal Stays On Floor/Does Not Disengage
01-19-4 OCT 01 Hood Lamp Switch - Updated Replacement Part
01-15-7 AUG 01 A/T - Fluid Application Charts
01-15-6 AUG 01 Heater Core - Repeated Failure
01-13-5 JUL 01 A/T - 4R100 Delayed or No 2nd Gear Shift
01-10-11 MAY 01 Bi Fuel System - Component Identification
01-10-6 MAY 01 Bi-Fuel System - Compuvalve Replacement
01-10-1 MAY 01 Parameter Identification Data Input and Output
01-10-12 MAY 01 Wire Harness - Terminal Repair Kit
01-9-7 MAY 01 Emissions/Computers/Electronics - Driveability Diagnosis
01-7-3 APR 01 Fuel Pump - Whine Heard Through Radio Speakers
01-5-3 MAR 01 Trailer Tow Wiring - Difficult To Locate
01-4-9 MAR 01 Front Brakes - Pad/Caliper Rattle on Bumps
01-4-2 MAR 01 Oil Pressure Sending Unit - Drip Shield Interference
01-3-2 FEB 01 Steering/Suspension - Stiff, Wandering
01-1-3 JAN 01 Exhaust System - 'Miss' Sound From Exhaust
00-23-10 NOV 00 A/T - In Line Fluid Filter Kit
00-22-2 OCT 00 Steering - Correct Placement of P/S Pump Bolt/Washer
00-16-1 AUG 00 A/T - ``Prior To Repair'' Tag Procedure Notice
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Think you guys could drive something a little less environmentally damaging? Perhaps Ripsnort would be happy driving a bulldozer with a 100 foot long trailer of burning oil sludge and styrofoam.
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Interesting, the Safety recalls you mention don't match the Nation Highway Transportation and Safety recalls, they make no mention of any safety recalls for that year/model. HOwever, I will check this out. This is the 2nd owner so I doubt he'd have much info unless he took it in himself.
I'm not too concerned about TSB's, and actually that list is relatively small compared to the average TSB's on any automobile. My biggest concern is that of yours, the General and safety recalls, both which Carfax says "No recalls exist on this year/model or VIN number."
I'll investigate it. Thanks for that info Toad.
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Originally posted by davidpt40
Think you guys could drive something a little less environmentally damaging? Perhaps Ripsnort would be happy driving a bulldozer with a 100 foot long trailer of burning oil sludge and styrofoam.
Sure, so long as it can carry an 11 ft camper, haul a boat. ")
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Originally posted by davidpt40
Think you guys could drive something a little less environmentally damaging? Perhaps Ripsnort would be happy driving a bulldozer with a 100 foot long trailer of burning oil sludge and styrofoam.
...and can we assume you are driving one of those Honda electric cars? Do tell...what are you driving :)
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Chevrolet S-10. V6 engine. 4 cylinder S-10s are not powerful enough to pull a trailor/boat.
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Diesel is an uncertain fuel from a supply and price standpoint for the mid 2000s due to diesel sulfur regulations set to hit in 2005. The marketplace may handle the adjustment well, or there may be several years of chaos. The industry itself doesn't quite know exactly what is going to happen. For all the advantages with diesel, gasoline is a safer choice today.
Charon
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Charon,
Almost all freight moves on diesel. Think about it, even the trains use diesel. Do you honestly think that there is going to be a shut off of that fuel. The entire country would grind to a dead halt withing 15 days. :rolleyes:
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2000 f-250 8" lift 38.5" tires v-10 =8mpg:aok
(http://home.comcast.net/~c.hambleton/wsb/media/134502/site1033.jpg)
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Ahh.. yes.. the monster F-250/F-350 combo.. I had some yahoo almost back over my Miata here at the office b/c he can't see to drive the thing lol.. But, their cool looking for sure :D
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I have never ran over ANY miata that I did not intend to:aok
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You make some good points Mavrick, which is why the next few years are going to be so interesting. I have talked personally to pipeline operators, terminal operators, reps at the American Petroleum Institute, reps at the Society of Independent Gasoline Marketers of America, NPRA, NACS, the Energy Information Administration (DOE), a few major oil companies... and no one really knows what is going to happen.
It is a very complicated issue, but in a nutshell there are diesel sulfur requirements that will drop sulfur levels from the current 500 ppm to 15 ppm max at the point of retail sale. The auto industry kicked the oil industry's bellybutton (not all too uncommon) with the regulation development, and placed the majority of the pollution reduction requirements on the oil industry by pushing emission reduction technologies that cannot work (and will be damaged) by diesel higher than 15ppm.
There is no real understaing in the industry as to how this will play out nationally or regionally/locally. For a change the EPA is interested in working to keep a full blown disaster from happening, but who knows. Here's a section form a National Association of Convienience Stores position paper on the subject. It's a couple of years old, but I just revisited the issue in a recent pipeline article and no one today can really say anything more today.
While compliance with the regulatory requirements of the final diesel sulfur rule should not be onerous for diesel fuel marketers, other, non-regulatory impacts of the rule may affect marketers more severely. First, it will be expensive for refiners to upgrade their equipment to make 15 ppm diesel fuel. Faced with this expense, some refiners -- particularly small- and medium-sized refiners -- may choose to reduce their highway diesel fuel production or exit the on-road diesel market entirely. Consequently, the final rule may have the affect of reducing the number of suppliers of diesel fuel across the nation, as well as the amount of highway diesel fuel available.
Second, EPA's decision to grant exceptions to the general 15 ppm mandate will result in two highway diesel fuels being available to marketers between mid-2006 and mid-2010. NACS strongly opposed EPA's exceptions because they will force marketers to either choose one type of highway diesel fuel to carry (thereby limiting the classes of trade that marketers may serve) or install additional tanks and dispensers to carry both types of highway diesel fuel. Whichever option a marketer chooses, it will cost the marketer money, either through lost business or capital investments.
Third, EPA's decision to phase-in the 15 ppm highway sulfur standard will create logistical problems for the diesel fuel distribution system because the two highway diesel fuels must be segregated throughout the system. It remains to be seen whether both fuels will be available in widespread markets, or whether 500 ppm fuel is available only in some areas of the country where the higher sulfur diesel can be transported directly from a refinery to retail outlets by truck.
It doesn't touch too much on the pipeline and terminal aspects, but it's common to ship multiple products batched in a pipeline and have multiuse tanks for similar products like diesel and fuel oil at regional terminals. Even if you get 7ppm diesel from the refinery, it doesnt take too much contact with the residue of 1500 ppm jet fuel to breach the 15 ppm level, which raises a lot of liability and product loss issues the farther downstream you go with product. Who pays for the damaged engine or the expensive on-road diesel that creeps above 15 ppm and has to be used in off road applications at a lower price? Alll in all, there will be those from the refinery to the retailer who decide it's too much trouble. The verdict is still out on how many will make that choice (though refineries should already be making the upgrades if they are going to meet the deadline).
It may be nothing, but an awful lot of "cup half full" type of action is going to have to happen for this just to be a minor disruption. Maybe it will.
Charon
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Originally posted by davidpt40
Think you guys could drive something a little less environmentally damaging?
Yah. I got a 4 banger Mitsu that I use to go for beer or when I'm otherwise not hauling stuff like 3 Labradors and 15 Cubic feet of training equipment. Or the 31 foot trailer that follows behind when 5 guys and 6 Labs go hunting in my Crew Cab.
Is that efficient enough for you?
Or should I have each guy drive a Honda Civic with his gear and dog in it?
:p
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Oh, in this part of the country we dont use a pack of wild dogs to go hunting. We use this neat thing called a gun. They might call it a "boom stick" in your territory.
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So I assume you swim out and get the ducks yourself?
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Originally posted by Toad
Rip,
I had a '99 F250 Crew, V-10. First year for the Crew Shortbeds, I think and they had some minor probs. However, Ford did all the Bulletins.. ALL the bulletins.. for free. Got free brakes/rotors all the way round at 35,500 for no necessary reason that I could tell. :)
Traded that for an 03 F250 Crew V-10. (What can I say.. I know the guy and he made me a deal I couldn't refuse. I drove the '99 about 65k for 15 cents a mile. Plus I was looking at about $700 in tires and another $300 in other "consumables" before this hunting season.)
Anyway, I liked 'em both and both have been really trouble free. Although if they want to give me free brakes again I'll take 'em.
I'm pulling a 31' Coachmen with it (bought it used for hunting.. 10 years old.) and it has NO problem lugging a 6000# trailer around behind it.
I will say this. My hunting buddy had an '01 250 Supercab with the 5.4 and it was a tiny bit on the sluggish side. Wouldn't want to be pulling much with that one in hilly country. He just swapped it for an '04 that's exactly the same truck except it has the V10. No lack of power now.
In short... I like the big Fords.
Run it through http://WWW.alldata.com and see what bulletins turn up and then see if he guy had the work done. That also tells you what kind of things they know they had problems with in some trucks and you can look/listen for that stuff when you look at this one.
Ya know...it's guys just like you who are supporting terrorist....sell that tin can and by a Yugo!
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Pack of wild dogs?
You are so cute!
"Boom stick?"
Yeah, that must be what I use.....
You've added so much to this thread, I thank you.
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Sell that Coachmen and get a real trailer!
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Sell that Coachmen and get a real trailer!
The Aussies know how to make a good Pop-up, don't they? No messing around
http://www.wanderingstar.com.au/index.html
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We are actually selling some units in Australia.
This is a nice one... can get it with a flat screen TV too.
(http://www.komfort-rv.com/scripts/images/11413.jpg)
Or the perfect hunting companion... complete with ATV's
(http://www.thorca.com/wanderer/imageswanderer/221TB%20w-sand%20rail.jpg)
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A real trailer would be?
The Coachmen is a '94 bunkhouse. "Sleeps 8" translates to "sleeps 5 if two of them are less than six feet tall".
The deciding factor was the length of the beds. Secondary consideration is that I have no ego-need for a new trailer, just one that works. This one works, is in good shape and it was @ $6K.
So, what have you got that fills those two requirements?
:D
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Hey, going for bargain bunkhouses here too Toad. I'm picking up my fathers 11 ft. Hollida Slide-in next spring in Minn. Gonna be tight with 4 of us, but I'll be pulling a boat too, something I can't do with my travel trailer (18 ft. Layton)
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A repo double-wide works well on S. TX leases.
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You need to sleep 5?
The second unit pictured sleeps 2 comfortably and is around 10k new.
You can get a lot of trailer for a little money on the used market. Make sure it was a "high end" unit when it was new. Entry level trailers are not meant to last a lifetime, only long enough to trade up to the next size.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Hey, going for bargain bunkhouses here too Toad. I'm picking up my fathers 11 ft. Hollida Slide-in next spring in Minn. Gonna be tight with 4 of us, but I'll be pulling a boat too, something I can't do with my travel trailer (18 ft. Layton)
Layton's are OK.
How big is your boat?
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Originally posted by mrblack
2000 f-250 8" lift 38.5" tires v-10 =8mpg:aok
(http://home.comcast.net/~c.hambleton/wsb/media/134502/site1033.jpg)
You sir, are destroying the world! ;)
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I'm not sure of the manufacturer, but one of the local RV dealers has a model that looks like a normal camper, but the rearend opens to reveal an 8 x 12 garage area. It's about the same size as a 3 Horse Slant with living quarters.
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Originally posted by mrblack
2000 f-250 8" lift 38.5" tires v-10 =8mpg:aok
(http://home.comcast.net/~c.hambleton/wsb/media/134502/site1033.jpg)
Grun, notice the vehicle is spotless and in a residential area. This truck probably spends 99.99% of it's time on the freeway. In other words, it's only for an ego boost.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by rpm371
I'm not sure of the manufacturer, but one of the local RV dealers has a model that looks like a normal camper, but the rearend opens to reveal an 8 x 12 garage area. It's about the same size as a 3 Horse Slant with living quarters.
Like this? (http://www.thorca.com/Fury/38FTB%20FW%20exterior.jpg)
This is our biggest one. I pulled my jeep inside without a sweat.
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MT, you're the expert I guess.
Name some high end and some entry level brands.
The pop out tent thingie doesn't work for me. Froze my butt off in too many tents hunting elk in Colorado. I like the enclosed kind. And I don't need the flatbed behind. I like the little kitchen; you can make some good stuff to go with freshly grilled pheasant breast off the barbie.
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I donno if he uses for hard off roading, or in fact if such a vehicle is even usefull for hard off road tasks - but since it is prolly a $40+ truck I doubt you would take it off road and risk damage often. I know a guy who owns a 4x4 shop that does these types of lift kit conversions and I'll ask him what his customers use their lifted trucks for.
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The best trailer I've seen for the money is a Komfort. They are a sister company (same corporate ownership) but we are still in competition, so don't let on I told ya. They are not exactly entry level, but you get a lot for your dollar.
The ATV Trailer (top picture in my first post) is one of theirs.
Go here - http://www.komfort-rv.com/
Made in Portland, Or.
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MT, I sold my Larson a couple years back.
Heres the deal, we're tired of pulling a trailer and not having a decent sized boat to fish out of. Thus, the reason for a 1 ton truck, camper, and after Januarys boat show, hopefully a 19 foot North River Seahawk (Oregon)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
MT, I sold my Larson a couple years back.
Heres the deal, we're tired of pulling a trailer and not having a decent sized boat to fish out of. Thus, the reason for a 1 ton truck, camper, and after Januarys boat show, hopefully a 19 foot North River Seahawk (Oregon)
They aren't cheap, but you can't beat an Alaskan Camper. They are located in Chehalis, WA. I'm pretty sure they are still a family run business. Great quality stuff. I think they invented the pop-up type camper too.
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Originally posted by rpm371
Grun, notice the vehicle is spotless and in a residential area. This truck probably spends 99.99% of it's time on the freeway. In other words, it's only for an ego boost.:rolleyes:
It see's duty at the dear lease and off roading at the red river (fellow texans will know).
It was clean becuase I just washed it dummy:aok
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Peterson Excell here. 33' fifth wheel. Starting next June we full time. Need to get the Volvo to tow it with. :)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Like this? (http://www.thorca.com/Fury/38FTB%20FW%20exterior.jpg)
This is our biggest one. I pulled my jeep inside without a sweat.
Pretty darned close MT. That one looks like the next size up from what I saw.
Mr.Black, I stand by my original statement.:aok
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I donno if he uses for hard off roading, or in fact if such a vehicle is even usefull for hard off road tasks - but since it is prolly a $40+ truck I doubt you would take it off road and risk damage often. I know a guy who owns a 4x4 shop that does these types of lift kit conversions and I'll ask him what his customers use their lifted trucks for.
Pretty useless for tight trails work LOL.
And you gotta watch the deep stuff cause at 7.200 pounds
it will sink like the bismark.
But it is fun to pull people out of mud holes with.
On a trip to Colorado 2 years ago I pulled a families mini van out of a snow bank and back onto the road for them.
Alot of guy's charge people for that but I could not bring myself to.
And RPM371 I'm sure they where glad of my big and fragile ego and my big truck cause it was 0*c and they were getting very cold.
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Originally posted by rpm371
Pretty darned close MT. That one looks like the next size up from what I saw.
Mr.Black, I stand by my original statement.:aok
Why do you need that?
you could stay in a motel.