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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: RAM on September 24, 2000, 02:42:00 PM
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Well...SCHUMACHER RULESSSSSS (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Good spelling, Ram (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I thought Mercedes-Benz/Ilmor engines were good and now they fail us (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif)
Well, we have still 2 races to go (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
What a wonderfull GP season we have this year !
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I'll never forgive him for what he did to Damon Hill.
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who the Hell is Damon Hill ?? *g*
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Originally posted by jmccaul:
I'll never forgive him for what he did to Damon Hill.
Schumacher sucks.. I lost my sympathy for that guy after that GP season.
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Formula One is for girls.
<g,d,r>
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Yeah, good season. Again skills beat the horsepower (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Incredable pilot he is, that SCHUMY.
Fariz
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Originally posted by hblair:
Formula One is for girls.
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Hehe, if this true, what is CART then? When second rate F1 pilots, who hardly got polls in formula come to Indy they become unbeatable champions... Says a lot about pilots skill in CART, is not it? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Fariz
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One question: Umm...What was happening before Mercedes Benz blew up ?
Hint:Belgium GP 2000
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exact it hapaned fiew years a go in last Gp in Adelaine when Shumacher Lame manover broke himself and broke also Damon Hill
lost also sympathy for him
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Schumacher leaves me cold - he's a cheating git. When people compare him to Ayrton Senna , they urinate on the great man's grave. He's glorified as the best driver in F1 because there is no one of any interest there - Villeneuve has dropped out of the picture entirely.
F1 is crap compared to 5 years ago - they only overtake in the pits now, very rarely on the track. Gone are the days when it was man vs man - the safety measures introduced have made the 'sport' too technological. Yet the personal gripes between racers is always played up, to disguise the fact that there is very little between the top drivers in terms of skill. If it wasn't for the pit stops, the starting grid would also directly translate to the finishing positions. Racing was racing back in the 60's, when the drivers really were dicing with death. Brave men, one and all.
As for CART - they don't even race in the rain!!! There's no fun in watching them crash (which a great majority of people watch F1 for). At least they go a bit faster, shame alot of the tracks are dull ovals.
Give me rowing any day of the week.
[This message has been edited by Dowding (edited 09-25-2000).]
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well, are we talking about a former 2nd class F1 Pilot, or about last Sundays
Race where Schumacher did an outstanding Job,
and won the US Grand Prix in Indianapolis ?
Dont compare the past with the present!
Every Pilot is only good as his last Race !
cu in Suzuka (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
SCHUMACHER F1 WORLD CHAMPION 2000
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Originally posted by hblair:
Formula One is for girls.
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hehe hblair, wait till Schumi come's to
the Champcars *BG*
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hehe, I was just kidding fellas. I agree, Formula One is more interesting to watch than CART. You're gonna laugh at what I'm about to say, but I enjoy a good Winston Cup race, (yep nascar).
I live about 50 minutes from Talladega, and take in a race every year or two. True, Formula One cars are leaps and bounds ahead of Winston Cup cars in technology. But as far as excitement to watch, theres nothing like seeing (and feeling) that train of cars roar past you when the green falls on that first lap. Four abreast sometimes, the rubber residue rolling all over the grandstands those first few laps until the tires get warmed up. 195 miles per hour, 25 cars within a second of each other, a recipe for disaster for sure, guess thats what makes it exciting. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Don't flame me too bad, hehe
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hblair trust me, i love to watch Nascar on TV, but the TV coverage here in germany about
Nascar is so poor, only a few races live coverage (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
But finaly we have an highspeed Oval in Germany ! the Euro-speedway Lausitzring.
Next year the Champcars and Nascar will make there debut here in germany (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I planing to get a Ticket !
What i miss in F1 is an Highspeed Oval, look
what they did with Indianapolis (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) its a shame.
Gh0stFT
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I follow Formula One, CART and Nascar religiously. My favorite is CART. Funny thing about Formula One is that all the good stuff happens before the race, in the pre-race TV coverage.
It's kinda funny to think that people go wild with excitement when there is ONE pass made in a Formula One race. In CART, there are usually tens of passes made in a race. CART drivers may not be as good as the F1 guys, but they sure put on a much better show!
I want to see a 1-2 Minardi finish soon! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) LOL!
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Originally posted by banana:
It's kinda funny to think that people go wild with excitement when there is ONE pass made in a Formula One race. In CART, there are usually tens of passes made in a race.
That is the proof that F1 is more difficult than CART (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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It was a good race. Shame that Mika didn't get to race him for it. Mika was light on fuel so was going to have to pass Schuey and gain ground. Then if he got by, Schuey would have been lighter or ran longer... well it would have been a good race if Mika hadn't blown up.
I can't believe Villeneuve blew that pass. He missed his braking point by like 100 feet! He could have braked at the same time as Frentzen and still held the line into the turn. Oh well.
BTW RAM, F1 doesn't have much passing because of their reliance on aerodynamic grip over mechanical grip. It has nothing to do with the "difficulty" of the two series. When they pull their head's out in F1 and limit the aerodynamics more heavily, you will see much better racing and more passing in F1.
F1 needs slicks and smaller wings.. then it would be competitive again.
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Lephturn - Chief Trainer
A member of The Flying Pigs http://www.flyingpigs.com (http://www.flyingpigs.com)
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"My P-47 is a pretty good ship, she took a round coming 'cross the Channel last trip.
Just thinking 'bout my baby and lettin' her rip, always got me through so far."
- Steve Earl
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Btw, here's an interesting site for F1 enthusiasts. Lots of video of past F1 tragedies and victories.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/panton/F1gallery.htm (http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/panton/F1gallery.htm)
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I agree Dowding. F1 lost a great deal of interest for much of the world on that fatefull day that Senna and Prost would battle no more.
one mistake though:
As for CART - they don't even race in the rain!!! There's no fun in watching them crash (which a great majority of people watch F1 for). At least they go a bit faster, shame alot of the tracks are dull ovals.
CART doesn't race in the rain on the ovals. This is because of speeds in excess of 230 mph. Its just too dangerous.
They do race road courses in the rain.
AKDejaVu
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Lepht...Monaco GP.
THAT is a race (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) and if you see how is the circuit you'll understand that F1's passing is harder not only because the vehicles but because the circuits themselves (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Go fast, turn left,
repeat....repeat....repeat... repeat....repeat....repeat... repeat....repeat....repeat... repeat....repeat....repeat... repeat....repeat....repeat... repeat....repeat....repeat.
That's NASCAR
Lars
oops...forgot...pit in, add fuel and copious amounts of duck tape.
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Nascar also races on a few road courses.. very few. But they are a kick to watch.
Since you brought that up... there was a series over here with the best racers from sedan series, sprint cars, dragsters, NASCAR, CART and so on. The drag-racer constantly beat the others out on the road-races.
Don't knock the racers because of the track. They didn't get there by not knowing how to handle a car... unless maybe they are an Andretti.
AKDejaVu
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Lars, you forgot to put in there something called p-a-s-s-i-n-g.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by banana:
In CART, there are usually tens of passes made in a race. CART drivers may not be as good as the F1 guys, but they sure put on a much better show!
Safety car in CART makes me mad. It kills all the fun. I watch f1, f3000, nascar, only if nothing else interesting CART. But that is only my taste, I do not want to say that my taste is the absolute truth (while it is (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)).
About Schumacher, sometime he is too agressive, but saying that he wins because he cheats is a... little bit far from the truth. He is just uber, so we have to blame his parents for unbalancing F1. They probably did not made design documents when they modeled him. BTW, with Ralf they made it right, he is quite ballanced pilot (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Fariz
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Well first off, it was not a great performance by Schumacher. He was very lucky that Häkkinen's motor failed. Mika had set fast lap on 8 of the last 11 laps and was reeling in Schumi like Zebco.
My second point is that NOTHING compares to 22 F-1 cars SCREAMING past at 220 mph. NOTHING! Yes I was there (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(What's a NASCAR?)
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Funked, ya lying sack of doo-doo, they never got up to 220mph. Fastest speed was clocked at just over 203Mph. What a bunch of wimps!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
Extremely jealous that I wasn't there on Sunday with you,
banana
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Lephturn I agree 100% about the wings and slicks. Also I have been told that the turbulence behind the cars can disrupt the flow to the airbox inlet, causing a power reduction for a following car.
I thought Jacques should have waited one more lap to pass Frentzen. But Frentzen had a very low-downforce setup and was quite fast on the straight.
I agree that JV blew his braking point. I have had the same problem before (in karts and sims) when learning a new track - I know my braking point when I am on the line but if I get off-line I lose track of where to start braking.
It was a shame he spun, as we were really pulling for him to get on the podium. Maybe next year they'll run on the oval configuration and he can teach them furriners a lesson. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 09-26-2000).]
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banana there were several cars at or above 350 km/h on Friday. I guess that's 218 mph, close enough to 220 mph for me. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I didn't catch the trap speeds during the race but I guess they must have been running more wing and running slower at the end of the straight.
We're buying tickets for next year tomorrow. Let me know if you want one. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
PS We went down to the wall in practice and you could hear them start braking AFTER the 100 meter mark for turn 1. That's 200 mph to 70 mph in about 100 yards!
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 09-25-2000).]
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Nice avi-video here (http://users3.50megs.com/staga/formula.htm), Shows "True" Schumacher (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by Staga (edited 09-26-2000).]
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RAM, CART competes on several street circuits which are just as narrow and twisting as Monaco. They also race on classical road courses in the countryside, small ovals (1 mile), and superspeedways (2+ mile). There's no other racing series like it. The champion must master 4 distinct styles of racing in order to prevail.
I think Montoya will be next CART champion (after Villeneuve) to go to Europe and show F-1 how to race. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Only thing wrong with that funked is they are boring as hell to watch. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) How many people know who Montoya is? vs. how many people know who gordon or earnhardt is? (in the US anyways)
Don't get me wrong, I like open wheeled racing, but it just doesn't have the fan appeal that something like nascar has, where they are actually racing for position the whole race long. True, CART cars are much more advanced technologically, but people don't care, they watch winston cup because the racing is better. Anyways, thats what NASCAR is. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
If I wanna see some speed, I go to the atlanta dragway when they have a NHRA meet. If you haven't seen two 5000+ hp cars run 310mph in less than 5 secs, you haven't lived. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by hblair:
Lars, you forgot to put in there something called p-a-s-s-i-n-g.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Gas?
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Lars
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Hakkinen, Mc Laren, take this. (http://users.bart.nl/~jppetiet/ah/fingersmiley.gif)
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Originally posted by funked:
RAM, CART competes on several street circuits which are just as narrow and twisting as Monaco.
Narrow and twisting? Add few jumps and you got a Isle of Man TT (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(Those guys are searching sudden death IMO)
Airborne 750cc Honda (http://www.isle-of-man.com/sport/tt/1998/gallery/practice/photo4.jpg)
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Staga, that is a funny clip. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
A bit about aerodynamic vs. mechanical grip. Nascar almost completely mechanical grip through the tires, and that makes suspension setup critical. F1 on the other hand generates most of it's grip using aerodynamics. The problem is that when one F1 car goes through the air, they stir the air all up and make it turbulent. This turbulent air doesn't flow right over the wings and through the undertray, so the following car instantly has less grip than the leading one. Not just by a little bit either, the following car loses a LOT of grip in F1 right now. Witness Mika unable to pass a MINARDI for THREE LAPS at the US GP!
If you want to make the racing closer and make passing more common, you reduce the reliance of the cars on aerodynamic grip. The track is the same for all, so it doesn't cause the same problems. If F1 did something as simple as outlawing undertrays, F1 would instantly get more competitive. With less aerodynamics, they could go back to running full slicks and still be safe.
An additional benefit of relying mostly on mechanical grip is that the speed of the cars ends up depending more on chassy setup and driver input into the setup process. The way it is now, a good aero designer (read Adrian Newey) can make a car "the car to beat" with mostly aero parts. That's all fine and good, but it decreases the ammount of input the mechanics and team have into the speed of the car on race day. Cars that rely mostly on mechanical grip will not only be more competitive with each other, but there will be more variance in which cars are fast on a given day.
Sure, some tracks like Monaco will always be very tough to pass on, but racing overall would be much closer. Even at a place like Monaco, if you had cars that were mostly reliant on mechanical grip, it wouldn't always be the same damn 4 cars qualifying up front.
All of these things would make F1 more fun to watch, without compromising saftey. IMNSHO. I'm speaking as a former racing driver and chassy tuner here. Now if only somebody would grab Max Mosely (head of the FIA) and explain these things to him! (Maybe using a big stick.) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Lephturn - Chief Trainer
A member of The Flying Pigs http://www.flyingpigs.com (http://www.flyingpigs.com)
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"My P-47 is a pretty good ship, she took a round coming 'cross the Channel last trip.
Just thinking 'bout my baby and lettin' her rip, always got me through so far."
- Steve Earl
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Hblair whatever...
You like amateur football so that kind of puts your opinions in perspective.
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lol funked, figured you'd like that one hehe. I can't dispute the amateur football thing. I pull for alabama, and they are playing like amateurs this year. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by hblair (edited 09-26-2000).]
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*cough* Nigel Mansell *cough*
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Good point Jmmcaul. Nigel dominated F-1 in 1992, then came to CART in 1993 and barely won the title. Then in 1994 he was an also-ran and went home with his tail between his legs.
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Hey funked..I missed ya this time! I was seated in the Paddock section (Section 41)...I was totally unprepared for how cool those F1 cars sound when they scream out of the pits....and the sound (Almost like a small explosion) when they shift the gears.
I was really hoping Jacques would grab third, for old times sake, but Heinz Harold Frentzen is a good driver and deserved third.
CART and F1 are my two favorite racing series. I wish cart would use a drag race start like F1 though.
As for Schumi, I have seen him do stupid stuff (like you guys mentioned) that doesn't reflect on him well. However, after that race a few years back (When that guy Damon Hill was still racing (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ) I remember Schumi driving at SPA in the pouring rain, passing all the other drivers, who were on rain tires, while he was on slicks. To me, that truly demonstrated the man's talent as a driver.
I am glad to see Mika Hakkinen and David Coulthard being able to take Schumi and Rubens Barrichello on. To bad Coulthard jumped the start though. I didn't know that was why he went in the pits twice (Once for black flag and once for 'dry' tires)at the beginning.
We will have to designate an `AH' seating section at Indy for the next race (That beer stand near turn 1 or one on the infield? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) )
edit: Oh, BTW, Montoya is supposed to be driving for Williams next year. Also, for those who didn't already know, Bobby Rahal will be running the Jaguar F1 Team next year.
[This message has been edited by Sundog (edited 09-26-2000).]
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Funked, Could you order a ticket for me, please. If I have the ticket, I can talk the wife into letting me go for a weekend! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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banana I'll send you email about the tickets.
Sundog too bad I missed ya!
Isn't that sound SOMETHING ELSE? It sounds like monsters or something. I've heard them at Indy, Montreal, and Phoenix, and this was by far the best sound because of how the buildings made it echo. Now if they can just get rid of turns 9 and 10 and make turn 8 connect directly to turn 12, I think we'll have a really great track.
I'll definitely post on the BBS next year, and maybe we all can meet somewhere for beers. I know some WarBirds guys went too.
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My second point is that NOTHING compares to 22 F-1 cars SCREAMING past at 220 mph. NOTHING!
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How about watching a high speed train funked? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I've watched formula 1 on and off the screen - its expensive compared to other motorsports. British Touring Car is better, and used to be a lot, lot better.
If you want to see some real nutters risking life, and quite often, limb, go to the Isle of Mann TT. Insanity is not the word - beats Formula 1, Indycar, NASCAR hands down every time.
Nigel Mansell's achievement was amazing considering the number of 'champion' Indycar drivers that have come over to Formula 1 and been utter toejame.
Shame old Nige was a bit dull - but racing drivers always remind me of astronauts (brave, capable but dull as hell).
AKDeja - I guess the no rain/oval racing is pretty sensible.
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I beleive the americans got wind he was a Luftwaffe fan and whipped up a massive consipirocy so his car was not competitive.
Don't you hate it when that happens (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)(ram, fishu etc.)