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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: udet on October 30, 2003, 02:19:09 PM
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Man the torpedo tubes!!!
"TAIJI, Japan - An environmental group claimed Wednesday that Japanese fishermen use unnecessarily brutal methods to hunt dolphins, releasing a videotape that shows the mammals being forced into a cove to be killed, with the water turning red from the blood.
The killing of dolphins is not banned by international law, but the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, which seeks to ban the practice, denounced the method used in the western Japanese town of Taiji.
"It's a wholesale slaughter, which results in immense suffering for these animals," said Nik Hensey, an activist with the California-based group. "It's a sight that one just can't imagine."
Town officials declined comment, but an official with the local fishermen's union, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the hunts are conducted as humanely as possible, and noted that dolphin hunts have been part of local culture for 400 years.
In the videotape, fishermen pound on the water, causing waves that confuse the animals' sense of direction, then corral the dolphins into small coves, where they can be easily killed.
Sea Shepherd made the videotape and provided a copy to Associated Press Television News.
Shuichi Sato, an official at the whaling section of Japan's Fisheries Agency, said there is another village in Japan where the local fishermen catch dolphins in the same manner as in Taiji, while others use harpoons farther from shore. He said the hunting of dolphins is no worse than the slaughter of cows, sheep or other animals consumed by humans.
"What's wrong with eating dolphins? There are Hindus, Muslims around the world who don't eat beef or pork, but do they tell Europeans not to eat this meat," Sato said. "To impose one's culture on others is to deny the culture of other countries."
Though subject to government-set quotas, the hunts are not banned under Japanese law and are not subject to international regulations because they are done near the shore.
Fishermen in Taiji hunt dolphins from October to April. They've caught more than 60 striped dolphins so far this year under the government quota system. The meat is usually canned and sold in supermarkets. "
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We're not talking "Flipper" here are we?
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Originally posted by muckmaw
We're not talking "Flipper" here are we?
sadly ...yes
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Old news -they been hunting/fishing for Dolphins that way for 100's of years.
No different than our stupid redneck deer hunters.
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Hey....I'm not stupid.
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*Homer Simpson voice*
MMMMMMMmmmmm Dolphin!
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Oh for crying out loud when is someone going to KNOCK OF THOSE WUSSY TREE HUGGING HIPPIES.
The dolphin hunt is nothing new, the only reason its probably being beyatched about again is some environmental group needs to raise some $$$$ for their weed habit.
Yeah yeah it sucks, but its cultural, hell, some people find eating lamb repulsive, yet its the national roast over here.
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I don't know...
Dolphin is a little more sentient then deer...
I don't care for any type of hunting, but this type seems particularly harsh.
To me, it' would be like rounding up a few hundred dogs, and cornering them in an alley....and wham-O.
Thank God this only happens in Vietnam.
Anyway...not cool.
They must think eating Dolphin makes them potent or something..something about Asian culture and potentcy foods...
*shrugs*
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Originally posted by udet
Fishermen in Taiji hunt dolphins from October to April. They've caught more than 60 striped dolphins so far this year under the government quota system. The meat is usually canned and sold in supermarkets. "
The sticker says "Tuna Safe".
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Hindus think cows are sacred. Americans eat cows. They probably believe that cows are more sentient/intelligent/blessed than other animals. They don't tell us not to eat beef, and if they did we'd just laugh at them.
It's their business. Environmentalists need to bug off. Just because flipper was cute doesn't mean that people who have been hunting dolphin for hundreds of years should change and eat something that is less cute/intelligent/whatever.
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They have a government imposed quota that only lets them kill 22,000.
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031029/capt.tok10310291145.japan_dolphin_kill_tok103.jpg)
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but they have EYES for Pete's sake!!! why, someone might have given one a name after a few minutes of comradery in the water!
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dolfinz R SMRT!!!!
havent you guys seen SEAQUEST?! THEY CAN TALK DAMNIT!
I say leave'em alone. Read the illuminatus trilogy... Howard the dolphin sings and wrtes poetry.
That picture is disgusting.
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From "Futurama":
Prof.: A toast to Leela. She showed us it's wrong to eat certain things.
Fry: Hear, hear!
Bender: Let's get drunk!
Leela: Aw, thanks, guys. Pass the veal, please.
Bender: Here you go.
Fry: Mmm, let me get some of that suckling pig.
[Amy hands it to him]
Bender: Who wants dolphin? [Everyone gasps]
Leela: Dolphin? But dolphins are intelligent.
Bender: Not this one. He blew all his money on instant lottery tickets.
Leela: Oh. That's different. Pass the blowhole.
Amy: Can I have a fluke?
Hermes: Hey, quite hogging the bottlenose.
Prof.: Toss me the speech center of the brain.
:D
Daniel
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Pigs are smart too. I could always go find a picture of the inside of a pork/bacon processing facility. I'd bet that's no worse than mickey's pic.
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031029/capt.tok10310291145.japan_dolphin_kill_tok103.jpg)
That doesn't look like a 400-year old boat.
After they kill off a top predator (dolphins) I wonder what happens to the local fish population.
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Somehow I think we will survive as humans with out dolphin meat.
And we call ourselves the SMART animals:(
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Kinda looks like Kool-Aid.
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Originally posted by Tarmac
Pigs are smart too. I could always go find a picture of the inside of a pork/bacon processing facility. I'd bet that's no worse than mickey's pic.
Pigs are different. I understand what you're saying, but I choose to be difficult :) This double standard is worth it... dolphins are good in my book.
Pigs deserve to die :) Ugly bastiges. I've hated them even more after seeing the movie "Hannibal." But they taste good.
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Originally posted by Octavius
Pigs are different. I understand what you're saying, but I choose to be difficult :) This double standard is worth it... dolphins are good in my book.
Pigs deserve to die :) Ugly bastiges. I've hated them even more after seeing the movie "Hannibal." But they taste good.
That's the point I'm trying to make, and that they tried to make in the article. It's your culture that says killing dolphins for food is wrong, but killing pigs and cows for food is ok. It's your culture that dictates that dolphins are cute and pigs and cows are not. It's your culture that says that a bay filled with the blood of wild and free dolphins is a cruel travesty, but that a slaughterhouse floor covered with the blood of drugged up, captive dead cows and pigs is somehow acceptable.
Their culture is different, but not any more "wrong" than ours.
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Originally posted by Tarmac
That's the point I'm trying to make, and that they tried to make in the article. It's your culture that says killing dolphins for food is wrong, but killing pigs and cows for food is ok. It's your culture that dictates that dolphins are cute and pigs and cows are not. It's your culture that says that a bay filled with the blood of wild and free dolphins is a cruel travesty, but that a slaughterhouse floor covered with the blood of drugged up, captive dead cows and pigs is somehow acceptable.
Their culture is different, but not any more "wrong" than ours.
The pigs and cow are domestic animals breed for the purpose of being killed for food.
The dolphins on the other hand are free and should reamain that way.
Let the Japs eat rice.
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Who cares about freaking Dolphins. There are a lot of little fish out there that are happy as hell these Dolphins are not around to eat them. Ask me- those bastards had it comming!!!
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Oh won't somebody think of the children!!!!
-SW
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OH THE HUMANITY:eek:
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Oh won't somebody think of the children!!!!
-SW
Not children, dolphins. They're killing dolphins.
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Originally posted by Tarmac
It's your culture that dictates that dolphins are cute and pigs and cows are not.
my personal opinion doesn't care about an animal's "cuteness." I honestly believe dolphins, fellow mammals and NOT fish (honky), are extremely intelligent and should be placed in a different category from pigs and cows altogether. Dolphins arent bred for food... they're only semi-renewable until a dolphin hatchery or breeding facility is developed (similar to pig farms). I dont feel it's apples (dolphins) and oranges (pigs/cows)... dolphins are just another animal aside from humans... I'd say it's a differetn shade of apples, like a macintosh vs a granny smith. But thats just me.
on any other day or different subject, i'd agree with you 100%, Tarmac. Right/wrong, good/evil, everything is relative. Those words were invented to describe what one person feels people "should do" (good), and what people "shoudl not do" (evil). I just choose to be a t with this issue :)
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Great photo! The colors are yummy - is that digital? Very saturated. But very nice - and its framed perfectly.
Oh yeah, we better think about it before we go off on these people fishing dolphins. We slaughter mammals for food on a far larger scale ... and I bet pigs are just as smart in their own oinky way.
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After they kill off a top predator (dolphins) I wonder what happens to the local fish population
it tries to increase until those are eatten too. it's all about ballance, you have to eat as many preditors as you do bait-fish or it all gets out of wack
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Red meat, white meat, blue meat, meat-o-****ing-rama. You will eat it. Because not eating meat is a decision. Eating meat is an instinct! Yeah! And I know what it's about. "I don't want to eat the meat because I love the animals. I love the animals." Hey, I love the animals too. I love my doggy. He's so cute. My fluffy little dog.. He's so cute- There's the problem. We only want to save the cute animals, don't we? Yeah. Why don't we just have animal auditions. Line 'em up one by one and interview them individually. "What are you?" "I'm an otter." "And what do you do?" "I swim around on my back and do cute little human things with my hands." "You're free to go." "And what are you?" "I'm a cow." "Get in the ****ing truck, ok pal!" "But I'm an animal." "You're a baseball glove! Get on that truck!" "I'm an animal, I have rights!" "Yeah, here's yer ****ing cousin, get on the ****ing truck, pal!" We kill the cows to make jackets out of them and then we kill each other for the jackets we made out of the cows.
- Dennis Leary, No Cure for Cancer
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Dolphins have been shown to be on a par with chimps and Bonobo's in terms of intelligence. Using sign language the two apes have been taught to communicate hundreds of words and to form sentences. One can only assume that Dolphins have similar possibilities once a suitable communication method is devised. Using them for food is just horrible.
Unless the steak is cooked medium rare, with a side of mushrooms.
:cool:
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Oh for crying out loud when is someone going to KNOCK OF THOSE WUSSY TREE HUGGING HIPPIES.
The dolphin hunt is nothing new, the only reason its probably being beyatched about again is some environmental group needs to raise some $$$$ for their weed habit.
Yeah yeah it sucks, but its cultural, hell, some people find eating lamb repulsive, yet its the national roast over here.
ROTFLOL! You crack me up Vulcan.
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OK, I gotta ask. WTF is a Bonobo ?
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I heard jap cars are made out of dolphin.
lazs
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Now... youd have a white wine with flipper right? Something light and dry?
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
OK, I gotta ask. WTF is a Bonobo ?
(http://www.thetech.org/exhibits/online/revolution/djerassi/images/bonobo.jpg)
Sub-species of chimpanzee. Some think it may be a separate species altogther.
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cool, thanks.
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Originally posted by Octavius
I honestly believe dolphins, fellow mammals and NOT fish (honky), are extremely intelligent and should be placed in a different category from pigs and cows altogether.
What about pigs though? Pigs are supposed to be very intelligent as far as mammals go.
I'm having trouble understanding that first sentence I quoted, so maybe I'm reading it wrong. Sounds like you're arguing that pigs and cows are somehow not mammals... that mammals (including dolphins) are intelligent unless they're cows or pigs.
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ANd who left us in charge of all the living creatures of the earth?
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Look you limpwristed dead ends on the evolutionary tree, SOMEWHERE in the world SOMETHING is on the menu you don't like or someone doesn't like: be it dogs, cats, cows, lamb, sheep, dolphins etc etc.
Did you know most 'processed' turkey is bobby calf?
Did you know most 'thickshakes' are reduced chicken fat?
Shaddup and eat your gruel.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
(http://www.thetech.org/exhibits/online/revolution/djerassi/images/bonobo.jpg)
Sub-species of chimpanzee. Some think it may be a separate species altogther.
Well it very well could be !
From the looks of some of the post on this subject I would say he
is further up the evoulutionary ladder than most here:aok
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Meat is murder!
(Whereas fish is merely justifyable homicide)
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Originally posted by GScholz
Well actually WE did, however if you're the religious kind then God did (ever read the Bible?).
Im a Jew what do you think?
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I say we have domesticated animals for food.
no need to harvest animals that take a long time to reproduce.
I mean come on fer crying out loud.
Dolphin meat EACK!!!
But then again most Asians will eat watermelon that will make more westeners puke.
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I got a crazy link in email once.... about how to have sex with a Dolphin lol.
Maybe that's why people do not want to eat them?
Humans are the masters of the world. I think we should eat any damn thing we want, as long as we do not do it to the point we kill of the source.
I even think that about vegans, they want to knock themselves off the top of the food chain? Then I say the rest of the meat eaters should get to take a Stab at them :D
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Originally posted by GScholz
Supply and demand. If someone wants it someone will get it. As long as renewable resources are regulated I see nothing wrong with it. I have never understood the logic of how killing domesticated animals that rarely if ever have any form of freedom is better than killing animals that at least have their freedom.
Tell that to a whale:(
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major psychoconfusion.
You're all meat, sentient or not.
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Until dolphins become smart enough to not get trapped in coves, they deserve to be eaten.
Personally, I like the idea of making sweet love to a dolphin. They've got a hole specifically for blowin'.
-SW
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Originally posted by GScholz
How is hunting whale any worse than hunting deer?
Becuase "deer" have never been almost hunted to exstinction.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Do you believe that today's whales (whom are plentiful) know they once were on the brink of extinction? How does it matter when they no longer are endangered because of regulated hunting?
We have no way of knowing if they knew how close they where to going out.
But we knew and that was enough.
Would you agree with killing chimps for food?
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Originally posted by GScholz
Yes, and I believe some cultures do kill primates for food. The whales owe us their gratitude (if they're capable of such a gesture) for having the sense to control ourselves. Had we been like most other predators they would be gone by now. THEY ARE A RESOURCE, nothing more, and for us to harvest as we see fit. Why? ... Because we can.
And so there is the arrogance of man:(
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Originally posted by Tarmac
What about pigs though? Pigs are supposed to be very intelligent as far as mammals go.
I'm having trouble understanding that first sentence I quoted, so maybe I'm reading it wrong. Sounds like you're arguing that pigs and cows are somehow not mammals... that mammals (including dolphins) are intelligent unless they're cows or pigs.
Sorry, I was a tad fuzzy...
Intelligence aside (I understand pigs are said to be rather intelligent) ... I meant dolphins and pigs/cows are separate in that pigs/cows are controlled and bred by humans. From that, they are very 'renewable' whereas Dolphins in the wild are not as renewable... ie, they're not bred for food or controlled by/for humans. Thats the only category separation I called for really... again I agree that pigs/cows ARE intelligent... but based on my preference, cows/pigs suck compared to dolphins :D Nothing very scientific about my arguement at all... I accept the double standard set for these two types of animals... and again, thats just me :)
[edit]: Alright, meat is meat. I eat meat and thoroughly enjoy a juicy medium-cooked steak with A1 sauce. But damnit, give me my dolphin exception and I'll be happy! :D [/edit]
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Originally posted by GScholz
Why? ... Because we can.
Well I suppose I should just go out and take my rifle and shoot someone from 1500m out.
Why Because I can.
I hope you now see what an assanine statement that was.
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
No different than our stupid redneck deer hunters.
Or the panzy bleeding heart whiner idiot animal lovers who disagree with deer hunting and feel they should impose thier opinions on other people.
Wanna throw out any more blanket insults you ignorant dip****.
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Originally posted by Tumor
Or the panzy bleeding heart whiner idiot animal lovers who disagree with deer hunting and feel they should impose thier opinions on other people.
Nope not at all there is a very good reasone for Deer hunting in N. America.
Must keep the population down or the animals will starve in the winter.
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Originally posted by mrblack
Well I suppose I should just go out and take my rifle and shoot someone from 1500m out.
Why Because I can.
I hope you now see what an assanine statement that was.
In a few regions of the world, I'm sure you could. They did it in DC, but their facing the consequences.
mrblack you need to realize that everything is relative to your location, culture, upbringing, religious convictions or lack thereof, and many many other factors.
Lighting farts on fire may be frowned upon in one region, but happily enjoyed in another.
Whale hunting is "bad" or "wrong" in some place, whereas it's a resource and necessary for survival in others.
I dont think someone scraping to survive is going to think twice about the poor little animals (except dolphins :D) if they're on their last leg.
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Do you know these are the same Idiots that kill sharks just for there FINS!!
They throw the dead and sometimes barely living sharks back into the water.
They get the FINS to make some powder thats suppossed to give you a hard-on.
Yup theres a use of mother nature for ya.
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Originally posted by GScholz
And what do you think the whales will do if their numbers grow too large for their food supply WHOM WE ARE HARVESTING AS WELL. Whales are niot just food, they're also competitors to the fish we harvest.
Whales eat plankton!!
If there is no Plankton there is no ocean.
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Hunting for sport and hunting for resources are quite different.
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Originally posted by mrblack
Do you know these are the same Idiots that kill sharks just for there FINS!!
They throw the dead and sometimes barely living sharks back into the water.
They get the FINS to make some powder thats suppossed to give you a hard-on.
Yup theres a use of mother nature for ya.
They kill sharks just for the fins in the US, too.
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Octavius this is frightning we agree on something;)
Let's not make a habit of this ok:D
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Originally posted by Martlet
They kill sharks just for the fins in the US, too.
Oh I know martlet and It Is just as wrong here:mad:
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we dont really have a long history of disagreeing ya know, you're still relatively new =]
If you agree with that statement, then that implies you agree with GScholz as well. Hunting for necessary resources is certainly acceptable.
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Lets take the gloves off here and tell the truth. That Photo is more about "Look at Those Damn Asians- they'll eat anything" than "save the whales." Where is the picture of white Noweigens eating Whales???? That is a racisist picture.
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Originally posted by Octavius
If you agree with that statement, then that implies you agree with GScholz as well. Hunting for necessary resources is certainly acceptable.
But nothing in the Ocean has ever really needed mankinds intervention.
Exept whales orcouse cuase we almost killed them off.
Mother ocean takes care of her own with out any help from us.
Look I am an Avide Scuba Diver and have dove around the world.
And the ocean is one thing we better not mess with.
Can you say O2 thats where we get alot of our breathing air from.
And to mess with the delicate balnce in the ocean is to screw things up like we have done here on the land.
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
Lets take the gloves off here and tell the truth. That Photo is more about "Look at Those Damn Asians- they'll eat anything" than "save the whales." Where is the picture of white Noweigens eating Whales???? That is a racisist picture.
not sure how you came up with that interpretation, but it certainly isnt anyone else's but your own. who's the "racisist?"
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Yes, and I believe some cultures do kill primates for food.
Yeah, some of those cultures that do not eat cow will trap a live monkey securing its head and saw off the skull cap and eat the brains while the monkey is still alive. I doubt it's prevailant, but I had to watch it in a college Cultural Anthopology course.
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
Lets take the gloves off here and tell the truth. That Photo is more about "Look at Those Damn Asians- they'll eat anything" than "save the whales." Where is the picture of white Noweigens eating Whales???? That is a racisist picture.
Hardly:rofl
The Japanese are one of my most respected cultures.
I respect almost every thing about them.
But there diet is not one of them LOL
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Originally posted by Black Dog
Yeah, some of those cultures that do not eat cow will trap a live monkey securing its head and saw off the skull cap and eat the brains while the monkey is still alive. I doubt it's prevailant, but I had to watch it in a college Cultural Anthopology course.
LOL and there still whiping there butts on fig leaves too:rofl
Point being no civilized culture would be eating monkey brains.
I think you are talking bout south east asia right?
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Originally posted by GScholz
There is no delicate balance in nature, it's a very hard balance. Nature will balance itself no matter what we do. To say that hunting is wrong is to deny your own nature. Doesn't the plankton, krill, sardines, anchovies, cod, herring, and capelin have just as much "right" to live as the whale that eats them? Bad bad whale, come here and feed my family.
And you have never swatted a fly?
You are being silly.
Maybe this discussion is to much for you:aok
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What about the baby seals? (http://pages.sbcglobal.net/bryanbaskin/clubbing.html)
(http://pages.sbcglobal.net/bryanbaskin/cbspix/bloodysnow.png)
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Originally posted by mrblack
And you have never swatted a fly?
You are being silly.
Maybe this discussion is to much for you:aok
If there were a higher being/species than humans, we'd be just another rung on the ladder just like the plankton, the whale, the deer, and monkeys too.
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Originally posted by GScholz
I think this discussion perhaps is too much for you. For me it's just a rerun of many I've had with people like you (tree huggers).
Trust me I aint no tree huggerLOL.
I am your typical wastefull American.
And If I ever caught someone spiking aa tree I would personaly F them up.
But I am a realist and A lover of the ocean.
I have dove with these creatures and they are very special indeed.
There is some kind of bond there .
can't put my finger on it but it's there.
There are for the most part very gentle and loving.
They could easely kill me but instead they play like children with you.
I guess i see them like i see my dog's and not like my dinner.
PS I was raised on a cattle ranch so I know all about mammals for food.
Hell I love a good steak as much as the next guy.
Do yourself a favor and go diving with the dolphins you might just change your very closed mind.
:aok
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Originally posted by Martlet
What about the baby seals? (http://pages.sbcglobal.net/bryanbaskin/clubbing.html)
WHOA!!! Did you read the responses to that page?!
From: Judy Barton
Subject:
I just read your baby seals page for about the hundredth time this week, and I must make a confession to you, whoever you are, Knight errant or sweet seductive devil taken man-form and packaged in delicious human flesh by a far-off god to set my soul afire through the unlikely medium of the Internet.
Where to start the explication? May I begin with the picture of the noodle -- O Master? Inserted with the deftness of an expert into the quivering bulk of the text, a brilliantly underlined word leading to the subtly low-tech lone image, an unobtrusive link peeping out from amidst the essay -- peeping out much like a spring flowerbud first pushes through its outer husk and reluctantly reveals the first flash of her virginal petal -- peeping out much like the selfsame budding flower taken human form and, aroused for the first time in her virginal life by the concerted stare of a stranger from across the room, she passes from Child to Woman in an instant flashbulb pinpoint of unexpected arousal that, as the sages say, can only be quenched by the salty offerings of her lover's tumescent and purple throbbing ramrod of Knowledge.
This is what your web page has done to me. It has mercilessly pulled back the guarding fabric of my babysealskin leather skirt and thrust into my hungry crevice the firm hot Enlightenment of What Is Good In The World. Carefully, it works the knowledge in and out of me, lubricated by the ample juices of my eagerness to learn all that is known by you, O Master. Thrusting harder and harder, forcing its way into my hot wet consciousness, forcing open the lips of my reluctance, forcing loose the glistening tube that holds inhibitions at bay, forcing, forcing -- the earth quakes. I quake. Uncontrollably I quake. Consciousness slips away as my inner muscles of realization grasp your steaming hot postulate and pull it ever inward and force it back out again, over and over and over and over again. I fall back with the exertion -- an almost imperceptible sigh escapes my lips and a droplet of sweat falls off my brow onto the satin bedsheets -- the metaphorical bedsheets, of course, of formal schooling, that is, the bedsheets that catch our mutual liquids and, later, are used by you, Master, to secure my wrists tightly to the bedposts to keep me from shifting as you further inject me with your knowledge -- knowledge that is inserted sometimes gently, then violently, then gently again, ever rocking swaying with the Truth About Baby Seals.
Thank you.
From the Editor: No, Judy... thank you. I'm going to sit down now... and i don't know just what else to say.
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Damn..leave the Japs alone for God sake. We dropped the A-bomb on them...they deserve thier Flipper-Sushi.
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You people make me sick. How in the world could you ever think about killing a beautiful, graceful dolphin. One of the most lovely creatures the sea has to offer us, so smooth and virile! And you'd kill them?! That's disgusting. Quit allowing this horrible killing to continue and start loving dolphins! (http://www.dolphinsex.org)
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Dolphins eat dolphins, usually in a more cruel way (often toying with them long before killing them).
Monkeys eat monkeys.
Sharks eat sharks.
So if its good enough for them, it good enough for me.
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mmmmmm mouth watering monkeys!
-SW
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When a group of animals gets together and forms an army and KICKS OUR HUMAN ASS(or sues for a negogiated peace), then I will begin to alter my opinion. Until then, I will continue to eat them, with gusto.
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Originally posted by mrblack
Nope not at all there is a very good reasone for Deer hunting in N. America.
Must keep the population down or the animals will starve in the winter.
You don't have to tell me that... convince the goober from Berkly. No wait... convince the first brick wall you find, it'll be easier.
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What about the baby seals?
it's time you all learn the seal song my kids used to sing when they where younger. learn it, teach it to your kids.
Seals
way up north where it's cold
and you know there ain't no gold
people make a living off of seal skins they have sold
but me I like to kill 'm
becauses it's so full-fill'n
and I hate to see a baby seal grow old
now you don't kill a seal, because you want a meal
you kill 'm 'cause you want to hear the little sucker squeal
you kick 'm in the head, and now this parts just for kicks
you poke them in the eye's with your eye-poke'n sticks
some closed-minded teacher actually sent one of the girls home for teaching that little nursery ryme to her friends
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Savage! I say ..we bomb them again for target practice!
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BTW. WTH eats dolphin meat? Steak taste better.
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Originally posted by SOB
You people make me sick. How in the world could you ever think about killing a beautiful, graceful dolphin. One of the most lovely creatures the sea has to offer us, so smooth and virile! And you'd kill them?! That's disgusting. Quit allowing this horrible killing to continue and start loving dolphins! (http://www.dolphinsex.org)
Dammit SOB, now you've done it. I was gonna post that link, but just didn't have the balls to. :)
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eat what you want...just dont go overboard and leave yourself with nothing left to eat...the hippies arnt against eating them...there against eating them to extinction...anyway on monkey brains and baby seals...well i dont like the taste of brussel sprouts...you dont see me whining now do you...
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Originally posted by Tumor
You don't have to tell me that... convince the goober from Berkly. No wait... convince the first brick wall you find, it'll be easier.
And no doubt it will be more intelligent:aok
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Originally posted by Octavius
I honestly believe dolphins, fellow mammals should be placed in a different category from pigs and cows altogether.
Just trying to make a point with the edit. It is relevant to what is being said.
Now......where'd that damn cat go, I'm getting hungry.
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Killing for Sport is Wrong- Deer, Turkeys etc. Unless the Super-Markets run out of meat –then hunting is wrong. The standard line that ignorant hunters repeat is –“We control the population of Deer..without us the deer population would grow out of control.” HELLO …MORONS. BUT YOU HUNTERS KILLED ALL OF THE BIG PREDATORS. Re-introduce wolves and find another hobby.
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move a bit closer to YOUR food chain and you might find a clue. you don't have the balls to do the dirtywork involved in getting your dinner and then have the nerve to make a judgment call on those who aren't affraid to get their hands dirty (bloody).
what makes a cows life so cheap compaired to a deer or an elk? as I see it hunting is much more kind and natural. the animals live their lives free, and one day nature runs it's course and they fall victim to a bigger preditor.
is it any less cruel for a wolf to rip out a deers throat, than to catch a .30-06 round to the heart? if so why?
have you ever been to a stock-yard, a slaughterhouse, or worse yet a poultry farm. there is no way that is a better life than a deer has.
the main issue facing deer populations in there isn't enough room for them. so unless you are willing to willingly reduce your own space to a 2' x 7' box 6' under you are more of a problem and less of a solution than the hunter.
if I had the time my family would eat nothing but wild game. no steroid or anti-biotic feed. no jamming them shoulder to shoulder or prettythang to nose in a dissease factory.
you think you consience is clean because you don't see the death? that the supermarket somehow makes you more noble?
I rarely see non-hunters go out in a bad winter, spend their own cash and truck feed out for wild animals, hunters do it all the time. most anti's do nothing more to help the wildlife population than piss & moan about the cruelty, while the hunter is thinning the herd down to a level the land can suport, removing excess bucks so that the herd itself has the most potential for new fawns in ratio to the available grazing.
you'd also see a lot less wasted food in this world if people had to get messy to eat. in the super market you can ignorantly choose, "I only want this cut, or that cut". the hunter see's the life he's taken, and knows it's value. if he's gonna waste any part of the body he has to throw it away himself, and face the waste. your local shopper just buys the cuts he wants and lets the local processing plant deccid whats worth eatting and what shoud be ground up as fertiliser, based on what they can get the picky eater to pay for.
educate youself on where your meals come from before you go making judgements on my lifestyle (hobbie? :rolleyes: )
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
Killing for Sport is Wrong- Deer, Turkeys etc. Unless the Super-Markets run out of meat –then hunting is wrong. The standard line that ignorant hunters repeat is –“We control the population of Deer..without us the deer population would grow out of control.” HELLO …MORONS. BUT YOU HUNTERS KILLED ALL OF THE BIG PREDATORS. Re-introduce wolves and find another hobby.
now that is some funny ****. you must either be very young or very stupid. have you ever known anyone to poor to go to the grocery store?
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Well... American tunafish sandwiches aren't near as good since they took the dolphin out.
lazs
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capt. apathy,
Beat on your chest and swing on your vine Tarzan. Beat on your drums and go play cave man with your assault riffle. If that’s how you justify murdering animals then fine- but don't think for a moment that your involved in any kind of sport. Any freaking moron can sit in a tree stand with an assault riffle and pick off a deer. Arm the deer and have them shoot back bro then you got a sport.
The men that hunted on the prairie- for example- have my respect. They didn’t kill anything- they didn’t eat. That’s justified. You don’t bag anything and your going through the drive thru at Taco Bell.
Killing FOR SPORT is a Sin.
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Killing for Sport is Wrong- Deer, Turkeys etc. Unless the Super-Markets run out of meat –then hunting is wrong. The standard line that ignorant hunters repeat is –“We control the population of Deer..without us the deer population would grow out of control.” HELLO …MORONS. BUT YOU HUNTERS KILLED ALL OF THE BIG PREDATORS. Re-introduce wolves and find another hobby.
errr how is it killing for sport if you eat the meat afterwards???
you can't reintroduce wolves because the farmers are afraid that the wolves are going to attack there cows (wich is of course utter bull****...we have wolves foxs and coyotes around where i live...ive only ever seen a fox...for about 1 second while it crossed the road...)
next your going to come up with some **** about how cutting down trees (in a way that is PROVEN to have a minimul effect on the enviroment) for pulp and lumber is evil and destroying the forest...or how open pit mining leaves the enviroment in a terrible state (even though they reclaim the land...and the mountain goats and bears never seem to have difficulty living around the mine...)
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I'm sure there are some dolphins or apes that are more intelligent than some retarded humans. Are we allowed to hunt and eat those human beings?
When we will stumble upon an intelligent alien species, are we going to hunt and eat them too?
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if the aliens taste good...we probably will...
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Any freaking moron can sit in a tree stand with an assault riffle and pick off a deer. Arm the deer and have them shoot back bro then you got a sport.
thats some funny stuff. you must live back east huh? oh ya there it is below your name MI. tell ya what, next time you start thinking about treestands come on out here.
after I get my curent injurys healed up this fat man will take you for about 3-5 miles of damn near virtical high cascade walking before breakfast.
maybe I could even lose a few pounds, and if you're feeling tough we could do it the way my father started me out at 7 years old. "don't be askin are we there yet, your scaring away dinner and we only got 1 week off to get this elk.", "don't be lagging behind and keep that rifle at port-arms, it's your riffle take care of it" (one of the many benifits of having a father who was 21 yrs military, DI, small arms instructor. my riffle was my empty .22, we didn't need it, but packing that heavyt hing all day builds character, I'm told).
ya, you'd do great "stop puking and bring that wetstone over hear, the works just started". ya after you cut it up into managable pieces you still have to get 600 lbs of meat some where where you can lower it to the truck (unless you where stupid enough to shoot the damn thing running downhill, then it's 'carry it up or eat it down there'.
you know with the limited tags we have now and the cities encroaching on the forest it's a whole different game, I haven't been able to hunt for a couple years it gets so crowded out there. (that and my work season matches up with hunting season making it imposable to get enough meat to make it cost effective)
as far as the animals fighting back we lose someone every couple years to an elk. when I was a kid they found a guys skeleton hanging on the rack of a bull elk, scavangers had got most everything else but you could see the uper part of the dudes skeleton with the eye-guards from a beautyful rack going right through where his lungs used to be. I used to see that pic in the morning before a hunt to remind my what I was up against. forget the bear or mountain lion, (well don't forget completely about them, they'r ethere too) but the elk is the baddest man in the forest, a bull elk makes most men look like a punk.
oh, and before you get to thinking I'm complain'n, that was some of the best times of my life. I learned alot about nature, myself and my place in nature. It cracks my up how all you anti's talk about presurving nature while trying to put as much diistance as you can between it and you.
and as a bonus I learned more about my father in that 1 week a year than the rest of the year combined. I learned how hard he was willing to work to make sure me and my family never knew hunger like he'd known hunger. it gave me some insight into his work life (now I'm living the same line of work), I learned that as hard as it was in elk camp and the potential danger we faced if we didn't pay attention, that this was nothing compared to his work day, he did this for vacation.
and I learned when there is serrious work to be don I can count on him, my brothers and yes even myself.
but enough of that part lets get back to your food supply. what do you eat and where does your meal come from? how does your breakfast live out it's life and what are it's last minutes like? you aren't taking up any space on this earth that used to belong to the animals are you? nah, didn't think so.
a little free advice, try not to talk about things you don't understand in front of a crowd of people who know something on the subject, (I don't mean this as an insult, but can't think of a way to say it that doesn't sound like one), but it makes you sound like some 15-20 year old kid who's father never taught what was important.
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udet: In the videotape, fishermen pound on the water, causing waves that confuse the animals' sense of direction, then corral the dolphins into small coves, where they can be easily killed.
Come on guys - the dolphins must be gratefull to those fishernen. How do you think the dolphins got so smart?
For hundreds of years japanese were slapping the water and those dolphins that were easily confused and fooled into entering the ambush were culled out.
The smart ones stayed in the sea.
Maybe we should compensate the dolphins for suffering by instituting welfare for them. Pay them for having kids and not working. The dolphins will get fat and stupid in no time - maybe even violent. Then we can use them for meat without objections from the animal rights people.
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miko
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Heh, that's absolutely wonderful Miko. :)