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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Zanth on October 31, 2003, 08:46:22 AM
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I have been getting kind of bored and was wondering what I could do to spark some new interest in the game for me. Since we have a new tour coming up, and after reading a few more of the typical dweeb plane comments today here on the board, I had an idea:
(a) Everyone fly the plane you think is most dweeb and lets see how the scores turn out? Fly it exclusively, or if that is boring, maybe just a significant amount of time.
(or for variation try flying the ride your favorite "dweeb" or "ubber plane" whiner flew most last tour)
Just a voluntary friendly experiment. Let's see how much of this is plane or pilot eh? The results would be interesting to see.
I think maybe I will try N1K2 or La7, not decided yet.
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I really don't think I could fly one of those Luftwobble planes for a whole tour.
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I think the dweebiest plane in the game is the Spit V. I think I'll fly that for a tour and see how things turn out.
I also bet that the biggest whiner in the game flies a Spit V, so I shall then fly a Spit V for an additional tour to see how I do.
Wish me luck!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Flying Spits for a whole tour? That would be... boring.
Don't like the La-7, I rather fly the -5.
Suck in 109's, that's why I fly them now.
Come that, I suck in the N1K2 too, maybe that will be my ride for the next tour.
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Originally posted by hogenbor
Flying Spits for a whole tour? That would be... boring.
Very. Maybe I should consider something MetaTronically fast.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Same as what the tard above said. D9, 152 and 262 are too dweeby for me not to fly.
Seriously though, you really think I would fly spits or N1K or HurriIIC when already in the above and other stall bricks it is hard not to scare away 1:1s, and be 5:1'd constantly when it's seen there is no chance in a 1:1 vs me?? :D
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Well ill stay in my Yak9U and 9T - 205 - Fm2 - Hurri2C :aok
Mabey i could try for 1 tour the 109 G6 and G2 but shall think about it :rolleyes:
And what i think about what people fly , there choice they pay also 14,95 each month and having fun like i do :rofl .
You get shot down or shoot someone els down , that's the game .
To bad sometimes people forget that , and making them self so angry , for what :confused: , someone shot you down couse he was better or was lucky .
No big deal get to tower get new ride and have fun and forget you was shot down .
If you stay angry you get shot down over and over again and again .
svalan . The Flying Dutchman .
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I have just now started to fly the Spit V, man that plane is some kind of fun.
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I have spent pretty much zero time in any of the "big 4" and I am just curious to see what (if anything) happens differently for me. Like I said, just was getting pretty freakin bored - this will give me something to do.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
I really don't think I could fly one of those Luftwobble planes for a whole tour.
Try the 109G2...for me, it's a lot like the P51b. However, make sure to map your elevator trim to a handy spot to help stay in / pull out of a dive.
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I did that already with the n1k (imo the only true dweebplane in AH) several tours ago.
it only took me ONE day flying it to see just how different the scoring was.
In my FIRST mission i shot down 2 wings of bombers (this was before buff formations.. i shot down 3 b17s and 2 b26's) and 2 p51's and a waffleplane (109 or 190 i dont remember).
Oh, and I had to take off from the airfield they were bombing and climb about 15k all the time being under fire by the fighters (which I shot down by using the UFO stall-less insta-turn 'features') and then proceeded to shoot down all those bombers and LAND the thing.
The remainder of the day was spent in pure furball mode, not even attempting ACM but rather using all my jedi WING COMMANDER point-and-sprayshoot skills.
Honestly, those Kilrathi wouldve surrendered if the Confed has N1ks.
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Dweeb , schweeb...it's not the plane, it's the pilot that makes th diff. I can get shot down more times than I get kills, no matter the plane. I'm sick of hearing about this plane or that being a plane only "dweebs" fly. Lighten up ya bunch o' elitist snobs.
( I was smiling when I said that:rolleyes: )
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For the September tour, one of squad planes was the La-7. So, I flew it on squad nights and during the RJO, running up a rediculous score. Boring to pieces. This tour I've flown the A-20G as a fighter and had fun with it. Three days ago I decided to fly the Ki-61 as my main ride thru the end of the October tour. Again, I'm having fun with this little terror. I forgot what a lethal little bugger this thing is.
However, during the course of a tour, I'll fly whatever suits my fancy at the moment, or the need of a particular situation. All of the USN planes, Mustangs (usually P-51B), Jugs, Tiffies and 190s get some work, just for variety. I fly just about everything once or twice each tour. Otherwise, it would be too boring for my limited attention span. LOL
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I also bet that the biggest whiner in the game flies a Spit V, so I shall then fly a Spit V for an additional tour to see how I do.
Liar! I fly a 109 of some sort of other! :p
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Originally posted by Widewing
This tour I've flown the A-20G as a fighter and had fun with it. Three days ago I decided to fly the Ki-61 as my main ride thru the end of the October tour. Again, I'm having fun with this little terror. I forgot what a lethal little bugger this thing is.
There was a guy on last night called "RevrndMax" or something like that, doing some town attacking in a high-speed A-20. I dove down on him and saw one of his engines smoking and 2 of my team on him so I turned away to engage a P-47 over the base.
Just as I completed my turn, I got a "Check 6!" and looked back to see his A-20 at d300, belching smoke and flame in my general direction. :eek:
I rolled over and tried to dive away down the canyon but no luck. With all of his guns in the nose, he didn't have to worry about convergence, and the .50 cals had a pretty long reach, let me tell ya.
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MetaTronically
I think we found a new word for the AH Dictionary.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Very. Maybe I should consider something MetaTronically fast.
-- Todd/Leviathn
yeah! show us your mad metatronical skillz!
:aok
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You fly spits, buttercup?
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal2/1801-1900/Gal1835_Spitfire_Guevara/gal1835.htm
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Gofaster ...
That was fun last night .. A167 was it ? i was just trying to keep the GV's and VH down mostly .. but i'll mix it up .... even with bombs on the wings . kinda nice being remembered too .. thanks .
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I was about to suggest , if you're really bored , try to furball the A20 . Most likely you'll get your hat handed to ya ( like i do ) but sometimes .... =) . Great adrenalyn . if that isn't enough challenge .. try to dogfight superior numbers with all 4K lbs. of ordnance .
Screw the score ... have some fun .
Reverend Max
Chaplain - 13th SAS
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Originally posted by RvrndMax
[B That was fun last night .. A167 was it ? i was just trying to keep the GV's and VH down mostly .. but i'll mix it up .... even with bombs on the wings . kinda nice being remembered too .. thanks .
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I was about to suggest , if you're really bored , try to furball the A20 . Most likely you'll get your hat handed to ya ( like i do ) but sometimes .... =) . Great adrenalyn . if that isn't enough challenge .. try to dogfight superior numbers with all 4K lbs. of ordnance . [/B]
Yeah, it was A167 I think. Anyway, it was a downhill run from your base.
Actually, I've done some stallfighting in a B-26. It can't turn like the A-20 can, and it does have a serious 10k ceiling, but when things absolutely positively go to pot, I can always jump in the tailgun and scare'em off. The B-26 also seems to have fighter-esque speed in the downhill.
I've tried dogfighting in the A-20 but I tend to rip the wings off.
The only other guy (besides you) I've seen dogfight successfully in an A-20 was Kite777.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I think the dweebiest plane in the game is the Spit V. I think I'll fly that for a tour and see how things turn out.
I also bet that the biggest whiner in the game flies a Spit V, so I shall then fly a Spit V for an additional tour to see how I do.
Wish me luck!
-- Todd/Leviathn
Stop it! Stop it! You're killin me!:rofl :lol
Drano
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I think i'll try that dweeby F6F everyone talks about:p
Flyin a SpitV for a whole tour boring? :rofl
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Originally posted by gofaster
Yeah, it was A167 I think. Anyway, it was a downhill run from your base.
Actually, I've done some stallfighting in a B-26. It can't turn like the A-20 can, and it does have a serious 10k ceiling, but when things absolutely positively go to pot, I can always jump in the tailgun and scare'em off. The B-26 also seems to have fighter-esque speed in the downhill.
I've tried dogfighting in the A-20 but I tend to rip the wings off.
The only other guy (besides you) I've seen dogfight successfully in an A-20 was Kite777.
Bf 109 pilots, especially those flying the G-6 and G-10 can find their hands very full meeting a light A-20 flown by someone looking for trouble. It will out-turn the G-6 and G-10 with little trouble. Even more shocking for G-10 drivers is the A-20's remarkable dive acceleration and zoom climb ability.
Early this tour I was flying a sortie in the Havoc near a fairly large furball. It was nearly dark and I was just below 8k (ground elevation was around 2K). I spot a 109 heading my way, about 1k higher. I was slightly nose-up when we passed on the merge, speed around 300 mph. We both reversed, but I got around much faster and the 109 went nose-low to avoid the coming deflection shot. I turned onto his 6 about 1.1k behind, accelerating rapidly nose-down. I had 425 mph in a heartbeat. Clearly surprised to see my A-20 actually closing, the 109 did what most of them do, he went vertical. So did I. Still the range came down. I was at just 700 yards back when he pulled thru and headed down again. It's here that I can finally identify the 109 as a G-10. As before, I followed, and once again he could not open the gap. Up he goes into a loop, the big Havoc eating distance and getting ever closer. This time he stays in the dive longer. I ease into a far less steep dive headed for where I figure he'll be when he finally pulls out. Rolling inverted I watch him as he eases out and runs along just above the ground. The angle of my dive was just about perfect and he crosses under my nose at 300 yards. One short burst pulverizes the 109.
We had a brief conversation on channel 1. He was absolutely incredulous that an A-20 ran him down in a dive. What he failed to realize is that I worked the angles against him. There's no way you can follow any fighter in a prolonged vertical dive without breaking the A-20. The absolute maximum speed where you can maneuver at all is 425 mph, and you better not pull more than 3 g or you will lose the elevators. You absolutely MUST pull power off to idle anytime you push the nose down more than 10-15 degrees. If the dive is greater than 45 degrees, you MUST use rudder to regulate your speed, and that only buys you about 5 seconds before it starts groaning like mad.
Fly the A-20 a lot and you will develop the feel required to never again break the wings off of a fighter. It will also teach new players how to manage their energy.
I did some simple off-line testing of the A-20's dive acceleration and zoom climb abilities. My criteria was this; climb to 15k, level at 200 mph. Go to full throttle while rolling inverted, pull through into vertical dive (a simple spit-S). Record the time required to get to 450 mph. This not only gauges dive acceleration but initial roll rate as well. Go throttle-up and begin roll when clock starts. I tested the La-7, Bf 109G-10, P-51D, Fw 190D-9, P-47D-30 and Tempest. Of these, the Tempest was the fastest by a very small margin, followed by the P-47D-30 and La-7 neck and neck. The other three were only fractions of a second behind. There is not enough difference to change the outcome should any one of them be chasing the any other of the group and already be in gun range. That done, I tried the A-20. Guess what? Despite its poor rate of roll, it beat all the fighters to 450 mph, by more than the entire spread between the whole group. As some have discovered to their great shock, you cannot escape out of gun range by diving from the A-20. It will run you down and kill you before you can generate enough speed to force the A-20 to back off. Let me repeat that, because I've heard a lot of whining and accusations of cheating over channel 1; It will run you down and kill you before you can generate enough speed to force the A-20 to back off.
I also used the same group to test zoom climb. This time, each aircraft was flown to 300 mph, level at 100 ft. Once the speed was stable, the throttle was chopped to idle and auto-climb engaged at the same time (for me, that means pushing a button on the throttle when the lever hits the aft stop). I added the Mosquito to the group for this test. The objective is to determine what aircraft gains the most altitude based solely upon its momentum.
All of the single engine fighters gained about 1,100 ft before nosing over, except the P-47D-30 which gained a tad more than 1,200 ft. The Mossie gained about 50 feet more than the Jug. However, the A-20 zoomed up past 1,700 ft, for a gain slightly over 1,600 feet! So what does that mean in combat? It means don't maneuver in the vertical with a Co-E A-20 unless you can out-turn it or are well out of gun range.
Between 200 and 300 mph, the A-20 is a very capable and dangerous aircraft in the hands of someone who knows how to exploit it.
I suspect others are beginning to catch on to the A-20, I've been seeing more of them in furballs.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Very. Maybe I should consider something MetaTronically fast.
-- Todd/Leviathn
come to the dark side and fly my Deeee nine!
i triple dog dare you!
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My squadron is flying a challenge - we voted on less popular planes and selected the a5 fw190. We are going to fly for 7 days at the beginning of the campaign, only score allowed is attack (originally fighter, but too many score hounds barking); any other vehicle/plane/mission type disquals you. The goal is to have the highest ranking at the end of 7 days; then it is back to f4u's/spits/etc. Just having some fun breaking up the planeset monotony in a plane none of have much time in.
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Entertaining tale WW, wtg.
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Yes I've noticed more A20's trying to furball also. Hence my kills of A20's have increased somewhat.
...-Gixer
~Hells Angels~
Originally posted by Widewing
I suspect others are beginning to catch on to the A-20, I've been seeing more of them in furballs.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by hogenbor
Suck in 109's, that's why I fly them now.
Now there's a guy I respect. hogenbor. :) Good to see someone that relishes a challenge instead of just flying Easymode™/Big Five planes the whole time.
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Want to have some fun? Fly the 110 as a fighter for a tour. I know a few have done it along with myself...it's fun. And howcum ya don't hear it mentioned as a fighter...anywhere?
It wasn't even listed in any of the above posts.
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I respect whiney tards who throw out psuedo-witty catch phrases like "easymode™" to describe the planes that some choose to fly in the arena.
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I killed Mitsu in his Ki61 with an easymode N1K, I am his god.
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LOL
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All of you crack me up.Only one thing out turns a Spit V,and that's another Spit V.
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Originally posted by Klank
All of you crack me up.Only one thing out turns a Spit V,and that's another Spit V.
LOL!
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Originally posted by Klank
All of you crack me up.Only one thing out turns a Spit V,and that's another Spit V. [/QUOTE
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:rofl and a goon and a FM2 and a20
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Those planes are usually ded once they are sighted.
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My avg kills/sortie doubles when I fly the "dweeb" planes.
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I've said it once, and I'll say it again... Nothing's dweebier than a Spit V. I bet I can double my K/D ratio when I fly one too.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Widewing
Bf 109 pilots, especially those flying the G-6 and G-10 can find their hands very full meeting a light A-20 flown by someone looking for trouble. It will out-turn the G-6 and G-10 with little trouble. Even more shocking for G-10 drivers is the A-20's remarkable dive acceleration and zoom climb ability.
Early this tour I was flying a sortie in the Havoc near a fairly large furball. It was nearly dark and I was just below 8k (ground elevation was around 2K). I spot a 109 heading my way, about 1k higher. I was slightly nose-up when we passed on the merge, speed around 300 mph. We both reversed, but I got around much faster and the 109 went nose-low to avoid the coming deflection shot. I turned onto his 6 about 1.1k behind, accelerating rapidly nose-down. I had 425 mph in a heartbeat. Clearly surprised to see my A-20 actually closing, the 109 did what most of them do, he went vertical. So did I. Still the range came down. I was at just 700 yards back when he pulled thru and headed down again. It's here that I can finally identify the 109 as a G-10. As before, I followed, and once again he could not open the gap. Up he goes into a loop, the big Havoc eating distance and getting ever closer. This time he stays in the dive longer. I ease into a far less steep dive headed for where I figure he'll be when he finally pulls out. Rolling inverted I watch him as he eases out and runs along just above the ground. The angle of my dive was just about perfect and he crosses under my nose at 300 yards. One short burst pulverizes the 109.
We had a brief conversation on channel 1. He was absolutely incredulous that an A-20 ran him down in a dive. What he failed to realize is that I worked the angles against him. There's no way you can follow any fighter in a prolonged vertical dive without breaking the A-20. The absolute maximum speed where you can maneuver at all is 425 mph, and you better not pull more than 3 g or you will lose the elevators. You absolutely MUST pull power off to idle anytime you push the nose down more than 10-15 degrees. If the dive is greater than 45 degrees, you MUST use rudder to regulate your speed, and that only buys you about 5 seconds before it starts groaning like mad.
Fly the A-20 a lot and you will develop the feel required to never again break the wings off of a fighter. It will also teach new players how to manage their energy.
I did some simple off-line testing of the A-20's dive acceleration and zoom climb abilities. My criteria was this; climb to 15k, level at 200 mph. Go to full throttle while rolling inverted, pull through into vertical dive (a simple spit-S). Record the time required to get to 450 mph. This not only gauges dive acceleration but initial roll rate as well. Go throttle-up and begin roll when clock starts. I tested the La-7, Bf 109G-10, P-51D, Fw 190D-9, P-47D-30 and Tempest. Of these, the Tempest was the fastest by a very small margin, followed by the P-47D-30 and La-7 neck and neck. The other three were only fractions of a second behind. There is not enough difference to change the outcome should any one of them be chasing the any other of the group and already be in gun range. That done, I tried the A-20. Guess what? Despite its poor rate of roll, it beat all the fighters to 450 mph, by more than the entire spread between the whole group. As some have discovered to their great shock, you cannot escape out of gun range by diving from the A-20. It will run you down and kill you before you can generate enough speed to force the A-20 to back off. Let me repeat that, because I've heard a lot of whining and accusations of cheating over channel 1; It will run you down and kill you before you can generate enough speed to force the A-20 to back off.
I also used the same group to test zoom climb. This time, each aircraft was flown to 300 mph, level at 100 ft. Once the speed was stable, the throttle was chopped to idle and auto-climb engaged at the same time (for me, that means pushing a button on the throttle when the lever hits the aft stop). I added the Mosquito to the group for this test. The objective is to determine what aircraft gains the most altitude based solely upon its momentum.
All of the single engine fighters gained about 1,100 ft before nosing over, except the P-47D-30 which gained a tad more than 1,200 ft. The Mossie gained about 50 feet more than the Jug. However, the A-20 zoomed up past 1,700 ft, for a gain slightly over 1,600 feet! So what does that mean in combat? It means don't maneuver in the vertical with a Co-E A-20 unless you can out-turn it or are well out of gun range.
Between 200 and 300 mph, the A-20 is a very capable and dangerous aircraft in the hands of someone who knows how to exploit it.
I suspect others are beginning to catch on to the A-20, I've been seeing more of them in furballs.
My regards,
Widewing
My biggest problem with the A-20 is that I never get the sense of speed that I do with the other planes. I've learned to cut the throttle as soon as I go nose down into a dive, and that helped with the wing-rippage problem. I've also learned to drop a notch of flaps before commencing my dive-bomb attack. I use the sound of them retracting as my overspeed alert. My bombing isn't as precise as it should be, particularly against small moving targets like tanks and I end up bracketing with multiple bomb drops.
But I do so much love the ammo load. Oh yah - spitting lead, baby, in a close cluster from nose to d1.1 is powerful stuff. In strafing towns, I can't help but wonder if the .50s in the A-20's nose are packing different bullets than the .50s in a Mustang or Corsair because the buildings seem to detonate with a shorter burst from an A-20 than it does in the other American planes.
And the F3 external view is pretty good for acquiring enemy aircraft and building situation awareness.
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The only way i rip the wingz off,I soff another plane from my cannon burst!:aok