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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Pfunk on October 31, 2003, 02:01:44 PM
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Pretty chitty what they did to the guy
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=442510
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2438028950
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That dealership is screwed. Nothing like a bunch of pissed off rice-burning 'Net jockeys to ruin your day. They should picket on the sidewalk out front and get on the news.
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Who would pay that much for a crappy EVO?
I work real close to that dealership. I might go in and act like I want to buy an EVO, take up about 4 hours of their time, then tell them I was just kidding about wanting to buy one.
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NOTE
We reserve the right to notify bidders and cancel this auction AT ANY TIME. We shall not be held liable for any such cancellation and/or closure. We reserve the right to cancel bids from those with excessive negative feedback. We shall not be held liable for any such cancellation and/or closure. Thanks for bidding and Good Luck !!!
Gotta watch that fine print It's a killer.
But yeah the dealership is pritty chitty to do this to the dude that for sure.
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I agree with MrBlack. The offer came with disclaimers, including this one:
"We reserve the right to cancel all existing bids and end the auction early should the item no longer be available for sale."
That would indicate that there was more than one venue for the sale of the vehicle. Seems to me that the dealership was hoping they'd get a better offer via eBay than they would off their lot.
I'm not sure I'd accept the "autobroker" storyline. I would think a true autobroker would get it directly from the distributor rather than a dealership. Sounds to me like another customer picked it up one weekend before the auction expired and the dealership took the money that was on the table.
I would also want to know if this car was damaged somehow before a title was issued, and had been repaired by the dealership. Seems to me that it would be kind of fishy to offer a hot new model through eBay with no minimum reserve set.
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The auction wasn't canceled early, says the guy. The bidding closed at 6:33 with him as the winning bidder, but the dealership sent an e-mail about two hours after the auction to say the car was sold. Yes, it's in the fine print about notifying buyers about auction closure, but the auction was already closed and the deal finalized when the dealer decided they didn't want the EVO to go.
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Yea I just read 9 pages of forums....he won, then several hours later, the dealer goes "Whups, we sold it for more money"
In no certain terms, they screwed the pooch. Several thousand car enthusiasts are emailing, calling, etc the dealer, generally making their life miserable (or trying).
$29k buys a lot of advertising, they'd be best to cough up the car to the buyer, own up to the situation, and make nice with the public again.
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Car salesmen are one of the lowest forms of life on earth.
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Never seen a Ebay user with a negative number (-1) wtf...
Their disclaimer is not valid and a clear violation of ebay policy... They agreed to ebay policies by listing the car.. and hence would fall under false advertisement laws depending on the state. They may also qualify for federal violations if the bidder was from another state...
Ebay is a binding contract plain and simple.. you cant have contradictory and ambiguous disclaimers when selling your wazzit to escape local and federal business laws.. (laws take precedence over disclaimers)
My opinion is that they will be hit with false advertisement, or worse fraud for unfair business practices by saying the vehicle was sold when its collecting dust on the lot.. (they may be able to doctor some paper work for the courts but then they are digging their own grave in my opinion and could backfire)
At least Florida law would crucify these folks.. Scams are dime a dozen down here now that all the Tristate trash is relocating... (**** yoos, but how bout them yankees)
Our attorney general would put the hammer down..
No doubt..
But Arizona who knows... They got some goofy laws in the western states dating from old west days..
My 1 & 1/2 cents
DoctorYo
PS: we all should send this to FARK.COM then the **** will really hit the fan..
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I'm about 3 blocks from that dealership. I feel the need to go "shopping" for an EVO.
Be funny to waste their time like they did to Ebay bidders.
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Hehehe, Nuke, tell us how it went!
Personally, I think the car is butt-ugly. But, hey, to each there own...*Shrug*
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Never seen a negative? Oh I have...I've had 0 (zero) feedback buyers hit my auction "Buy it Now" buttons, that boldly proclaim "PayPal Payment Only" and then ask where to mail the money order. Tried to err on the side of caution, be nice and say sure, mail it....3 weeks, no payment, leave negative, they holler how i scammed them and leave me neg feedback. Feedback is a double edged sword. I used to always leave feedback on all my auctions. Now, unless the other party does, I do not.
If you Negative a DeadBeat, they just turn around and Negative you. eBay wont do a thing.
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ebay has long ago stopped caring about the people using their service, and started focusing on the money!
Some guy is selling stuff cheap, than charging outrageous shipping prices. He sells things like a set of socket racks for a dollar each, small item really, then charges $26 to ship them. Screws ya with shipping fees. He has many negative feedbacks now. When I sent ebay an email about this guys business practices, they sent me back a BS form letter response.
Expect no integrity from ebay, just greed.
dago
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THe dealer is screwed if this kid decides to sue them. He will wind up with a hell of a lot more than an EVO.
My 2 cents.
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I work at a dealership (thanks for the vote of confidence there funky:aok ), and I tend to agree with the bidder on this. The wording in the disclaimer does not cover what the dealer claims happened, as they did not end the auction early, or notify the bidder that a higher bid had been recieved. They owe consideration for their offer.
And while I understand where the stereotype comes from, we aint all bad:(
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i hope to hell he sues their arse off.
that example is why i have never even registered for eSCAMbay and prolly wont in the future.
nothing i have ever seen on that site is sold for less than an "outlet" type legit business i can find on the web.... AND get a recipt and such.
oh well another lame thought by yours truly
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Funny, everyone saying "Sue the Bastids", but when you bring up lawyers or tort reform people scream "Lawyers suck!". Personally, I hope the kid winds up owning the place when it's done. But that's my opinion, I could be wrong.
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The one thing I did notice was that there was never a disclaimer saying if a buyer bought the car at the dealer rather than on eBay, the auction would have been voided. I'd think that if they knew the car was cheaper than retail (80,000 right?) they'd add that little line in there.
But since they didn't, they're the ones at fault for not ponying up the car once the auction was complete. Bait and switch? You bet'cha, but would the case stand up in court?
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It can't be bait and switch if there's no switch. Just a thought.
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They offered a car at one price... even though it was already sold, then said it was gone but they'd sell him a car at a higher price. That is pretty much a classic example of bait and switch.
MiniD
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Sorry, didn't catch the offer of a car at a a higher price. If so, I'm wrong.
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I have to appologize that evo was bid by an auto broker for 32987.00. I do have other evos in stock. Again I appoligize
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Another thought-they claim the car was sold,but it actually wasn't.People on the forum ran the VIN through carfax,and it hasn't sold yet.
What a scumbag.
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Can't this be considered a "Bait and Switch" ?
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Doesn't sound like a Bait and Switch but the dealer could be in for a world of trouble I think-if the guy wanted to push the issue. I have sold two cars on E-bay and bought two more so I am somewhat familiar with E-bay and E-bay motors.
Obviously the dealer screwed up and didn't put a reserve price on the car. I am guessing that once he realized that the car would go for a lot less than what it was worth he tried weasling out of it. However, like others have said, his 'bail out clause' stated he could cancell for negative feedback, if it sells early or anytime before the end of sale. This technically is a legal binding contract and if the guy wanted to sue over it I am willing to bet he could get the car for the price, plus some money for his hassle.
I don't know if I would get into a whizzing contest for the car but I suppose others might. I myself, when I post a car for sale specifically make sure that the car is listed with a reserve price and specify what I will and will not do.
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on page 110 he got his car.
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Awesome.
BEHOLD TEH POWER OF TEH INTARDNET!
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Behold the power of the net.
MiniD
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Yay! Hope that thing isnt a lemon!
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Awesome.
BEHOLD TEH POWER OF TEH INTARDNET!
LOL! I began posting my message but had to head to a meeting. I finished it and pushed send. Just saw this response.
I wonder how many responses the company got (phone and e-mail) and just what Mitsubishi might have said to them. I also wonder if they'll ever put a car on e-bay again.
MiniD
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Car salesmen are one of the lowest forms of life on earth.
I love wheeling and dealing with car salesmen. I make it a habit of a least once a month going in and just seeing how much I can get them to drop the price, then walk away with no intent of buying. Some are easier than others, but its fun nonetheless. That truck I recently picked up I talked them down from $16,000 to $13,000, then got $2000 for my old beater pick up to boot!(That bluebooks at $1100 trade in value) Took me 2 hours, and I had to walk a couple times, but they finally sold it to me (I really wasn't serious on buying that one either, but I couldn't resist the powa of 410 lbs. of torque!)
I love to barter! My wife refuses to go with me because she says "you're embarassing sometimes with the way you treat salesmen"....hey! They're a single-celled animal! Why not treat them rude when they won't come down in price! :D
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Originally posted by Mini D
LOL! I began posting my message but had to head to a meeting. I finished it and pushed send. Just saw this response.
Diseased minds think alike. :)
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A friend and I played a round of golf once and the marshall assigned us a third. After we wrapped up the front 9 (he wasn't going on) we got to talking about what "we did". He got a little embarassed and said "I'm a car salesman". There was a long silence that was broken when I replied "at least you're not a lawyer."
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dealerships response to -1 feedback:
Complaint : MarkMitsubishi makes me ashamed to be a Mark-BackedOut of Deal for Phantom Buyer
Response by marks_auto - mgmt will honor high bid .. trying to contact bidder for pmt and shipping
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I love wheeling and dealing with car salesmen. I make it a habit of a least once a month going in and just seeing how much I can get them to drop the price, then walk away with no intent of buying. Some are easier than others, but its fun nonetheless. That truck I recently picked up I talked them down from $16,000 to $13,000, then got $2000 for my old beater pick up to boot!(That bluebooks at $1100 trade in value) Took me 2 hours, and I had to walk a couple times, but they finally sold it to me (I really wasn't serious on buying that one either, but I couldn't resist the powa of 410 lbs. of torque!)
I love to barter! My wife refuses to go with me because she says "you're embarassing sometimes with the way you treat salesmen"....hey! They're a single-celled animal! Why not treat them rude when they won't come down in price! :D
Whoever wrote your sig line is not only very insightful, but a genius as well! :D
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I love wheeling and dealing with car salesmen. I make it a habit of a least once a month going in and just seeing how much I can get them to drop the price, then walk away with no intent of buying. Some are easier than others, but its fun nonetheless. That truck I recently picked up I talked them down from $16,000 to $13,000, then got $2000 for my old beater pick up to boot!(That bluebooks at $1100 trade in value) Took me 2 hours, and I had to walk a couple times, but they finally sold it to me (I really wasn't serious on buying that one either, but I couldn't resist the powa of 410 lbs. of torque!)
I love to barter! My wife refuses to go with me because she says "you're embarassing sometimes with the way you treat salesmen"....hey! They're a single-celled animal! Why not treat them rude when they won't come down in price! :D
I bet you're one of those who tries to make artists come down on their prices, Ripsnort. Yeah, I get calls from people sometimes wanting to know what such and such a painting or etching sells for.
From now on, my response is gonna be "I only tell my prices to serious buyers.":D
Les