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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Curval on November 03, 2003, 11:25:41 AM
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My wife called in my bike theft which occured on Friday night...right out of my driveway.
They asked if it was locked and it was, but just the ignition lock.
The officer then went on to say that it "should" have had a U-lock around the back tire also.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but even if the thing was unlocked a crime has still occurred and the cops should NOT be acting like insurnace adjusters?!?
My wife looked at me after she got off the phone and said "The police officer essentially said the theft was YOUR fault".
What a JOKE!
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Actually, I think he was implying that you were a dolt for thinking an ignition lock would keep it from being wheeled up into the back of a pickup truck. :p
What kind of unsafe neighborhood did you buy into, anyway?
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dont you live on a island?
how big is it?
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One that I need a large dog in apparently. :)
Maybe I am a "dolt" but frankly insinuating that I am to blame for my bike being stolen is pretty unprofessional for a cop.
I suppose if they catch the guy who did it he will be congratulated for showing me what I dolt I am.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
dont you live on a island?
how big is it?
It is tiny...21 square miles. Bike is stripped and the parts are already sold no doubt...unless it was a Halloween prank.
My bike was a POS...my tenant's which was right beside it is almost new. He must have had a U-lock...I'll check next time I see him.
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Well, it's not actually YOUR fault but you were, to say the least pretty naive. My bike was stolen twice despite U locks and being locked to metal posts. They used a metal scaffolding post to wrench it off. In the end it was locked via a U lock to another U lock buried in concrete. When I first bought it I actually did what you did until someone stuck a screwdriver in the ignition lock. Luckily they were disturbed.
It seems you took absolutely no security precautions whatsoever. Thieves just love people like you and cops hate you. You might just as well as left the keys in the ignition and put a sign up. PLEASE STEAL MY BIKE! I'm not surprised at the attitude of the cops. You, as I did learned the hard way.
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Originally posted by Curval
It is tiny...21 square miles. Bike is stripped and the parts are already sold no doubt...unless it was a Halloween prank.
I was thinking the same thing. But there is a bright side. This is your chance to buy the Black Widow bike from Orange County Choppers. I'm sure Paul Teutel would be glad to hook you up. ;)
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I guess this little island is becoming more and more like the US/Canada/UK cpxxx.
I think I will go home tonight and give myself a good talking to.
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Originally posted by gofaster
I was thinking the same thing. But there is a bright side. This is your chance to buy the Black Widow bike from Orange County Choppers. I'm sure Paul Teutel would be glad to hook you up. ;)
Unfortunately we cannot have bikes above 125cc here....you'd never get out of second gear with anything bigger anyway.
Good thought though. ;)
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Perhaps you're beginning to get a taste of how lawful gun owners feel when they are tarred with the same brush as an actual criminal that commits a crime using a gun?
We see all the new laws passed against US and wonder "it's MY fault?"
:confused: :confused: :confused:
This is real simple, tell your Police Officer to call me if he's still confused.
Here's how it goes.
You're the lawful owner of the bike and it was on your property.
The crime is committed by the person actually breaking the law. AFAIK, Bermuda has no "you must use a U-lock on your bike" law, correct?
The criminal in this case is not the lawful owner who only locked the ignition.
The CRIMINAL]/u] is the person (or persons) who illegally trespassed on to your property and stole your bike.
It is not, in any way, shape or form YOUR fault.
As I said, have him give me a call or E-mail if he just can't grasp this simple fact of lawful behavior.
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It is tiny...21 square miles.
Dang, Curv. Do you have to ship in your women from somewhere? There can't be that many babes on that island paradise.
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In the cop's defense, it's his job to say that you should do whatever is necessary to keep the bike from being stolen... especially right after you've proven yourself incapable of that;)
The crime was the theft... that wasn't your fault. The inconvenience of having to deal with it is partly your fault. If you'd like to avoid having to deal with insurance agencies and being inconvenienced with the loss of a scooter for a few days then you might want to take additional precautions.
MiniD
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Dont worry, soon Beetle will pipe up in this thread and blame the US, after all, we have guns.
dago
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Like a lock would really keep his bike from being stolen if somebody wanted it... sheesh
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Perhaps you're beginning to get a taste of how lawful gun owners feel when they are tarred with the same brush as an actual criminal that commits a crime using a gun? - Toad
Lol...was wondering who would pipe in with that...no argument here. Almost wish I had a gun for the next time this guy shows up...almost. ;)
Dang, Curv. Do you have to ship in your women from somewhere? There can't be that many babes on that island paradise. - banana
Yup...we import loads of nubile young tourists. Rule 1 here is "avoid the local women"...they are really, really full of themselves. I went to Canada to get mine. :)
Dont worry, soon Beetle will pipe up in this thread and blame the US, after all, we have guns. - Dago
Beet1e and I are not too far away from each other with respect to gun laws and I fail to see how he could possibly blame this incident on the US.
His stance on strat vs furballing is whacked though...IMHO. :)
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Offer an outlandish reward for the bike .... along with the "lost my pride and joy story"
When it shows up ... have them hauled off (they are in poss. of stolen property ) ;)
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Originally posted by YUCCA
Like a lock would really keep his bike from being stolen if somebody wanted it... sheesh
Yeah, but it's a matter of displacing the risk. Thief goes for an easier target.
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It's your fault for having something that can be stolen. If you didn't own anything, this would never have happened, shame on you.
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What can a cop do anyway? In most cases all they do is file the paperwork to log the theft. It's not like they are going to investigate and try to get your property back. If it turns up somewhere the cops will know who it belongs to, that's about the best you can expect from them.
Cops have a limited ability to prevent crime, and an even more limited ability to un-do a crime. The one thing they do well is file the paperwork. So if paperwork doesn't make you feel safe, then you must try to protect your own property and person.
ra
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Shame on you for thinking the police are going to help you! You didn't happen to call them around dounut time, did you?
Remember dounut time is:
8:00 to 11:00 am
1:30 to 5:00 pm
7:00 to 11:30 pm
Lunch and dinner time is bad too:
11:30 am to 1:00 pm
5:30 pm to 6:30 pm
Good Luck!
:)
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curval... I would 100 times more rather you have a firearm that you were trained in the proper use of than some inbred "vicious dog du jour" of the day that may get loose and kill or maim someone.... Unlike a gun... the dog really does have legs and can get loose and cause damage on it's own.
lazs
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Shoot back in college i knew a guy who stole a scooter with a ulock on the back tire ahd the steering column locked walked it home 1 block put it in the base ment took a hammer off came the Ulock then the tough guy just snapped the steering column. Once that was done all he had to do is open up the lock on the column and drop the yolks out ....... good as new starts with any key!
By the way sorry for your luck Curval i would seriously get 2 or 3 Ulocks and lock it to something!!!!!
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Originally posted by lazs2
curval... I would 100 times more rather you have a firearm that you were trained in the proper use of than some inbred "vicious dog du jour" of the day that may get loose and kill or maim someone.... Unlike a gun... the dog really does have legs and can get loose and cause damage on it's own.
lazs
ummm...not that I really want to bring this up but...you haven't seen me shoot a handgun yet lazs.
The whole neighborhood would be alot safer with the dog...trust me.
Besides...I'd go to jail just for owning a bullet..let alone a gun.
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Ofcourse it is you'r fault.
You should have parked it in you'r living room and coverd it with a sheet.
Man you have been on that island to long:aok
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curval... the vast majority of the crimes stopped by law abiding citizens in this country.... hundreds of thousands a year, are done without firing a shot. A vicious dog is another story alltogether.
lazs
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No doubt lazs...but my plan is to get a lab. Just as your hundreds of thousands "without a shot" the biggest deterant here...without guns...is owning a dog. Doesn't have to be vicious or even big...just there. Theives stay away from houses with dogs.
I just saw the Bermuda stats on this...98.6% of houses broken into were dogless.
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Beet1e and I are not too far away from each other with respect to gun laws and I fail to see how he could possibly blame this incident on the US.
I don't care about Beetles stance or beliefs on guns. Really dont care about yours either. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Beetle does seem to think the US is a bad place and in his delusional mind, everything is our fault. I hope he never taints our shores with his presence again.
dago
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Get a ****zu or chihuahua, thieves are most afraid of those breeds.
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can't imagine anyone being afraid of a lab but.... I want one of them little hyper dogs... a real yapper.
All i Want is the dog to wake me up so I can take care of the problem. I think I have better judgement than the dog.
lazs
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FuFu the attack poodle, coming to Curval's home soon. If they dont stop the burglar, they are small enough for you to toss AT them ;)
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Originally posted by Curval
No doubt lazs...but my plan is to get a lab. Just as your hundreds of thousands "without a shot" the biggest deterant here...without guns...is owning a dog. Doesn't have to be vicious or even big...just there. Theives stay away from houses with dogs.
I just saw the Bermuda stats on this...98.6% of houses broken into were dogless.
If you can find one a french mastiff would do well.
Tuner and Hooch dog
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"I guess this little island is becoming more and more like the US/Canada/UK "
Nobody ever stole my motorcycle. But....., I'm sorry they got yours.
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Curval ... we have 4 dogs on patrol at our Jamaican house. We don't need 4, my parents just like dogs. 2 small dogs, 1 medium size, and 1 big dog. All are mutts, and the best at sounding the alarm are the small dogs. There isn't a local that would ever attempt to open the gates to our yard without one of the staff first putting the dogs inside their porch area. The dogs are also forbidden to come inside the house ... the property is their domain, not the house, so they protect it with more vigor.
Lazs has the right idea ... no need for a big slobbering pedigree hound trouncing/pooping around the property and if it does get loose, bigger dogs appear to be more threatening than the smaller ones and cause more alarm from the neighbors and cops.
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Originally posted by Curval
One that I need a large dog in apparently. :)
I would hate to live in a place were I felt I needed a large dog to protect me or my property :)
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Touche Nuke. ;)
Actually the plot thickins on this one.
I am now pretty sure the thei got my bike by simply unlocking it...with my keys. They are missing along wth my cell phone.
My wife remembers seeing both items in the car driving home Friday night...I was using her keys to drive the car, mine were jabbing me so I took them out of my pocket and put them in the storage compartment between my front seats. The cell phone was also placed there as it slid out of my pocket when retrieving my keys.
So...the thief broke into my car (which was locked)...got my keys and simply unlocked the bike, started it and drove off.
Fortunately my house keys were on a different ring.
So...Ulocking the bike would have caused him about a one minute delay in stealing my bike.:rolleyes:
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That sucks Curval :(
I hope they catch the filthy peice of garbage.
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They need your money more than you. Leave cash outside as a peace offering. You can afford it.
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Police almost only deal with crime after the fact. Prudence will lead you to take precautionary steps: alarms, dogs, U-locks etc... But in the end, a determined criminal will probably do what he wants... all you can hope to do is discourage the less-serious ones. This makes interesting food for thought concerning gun-ownership and self-defense.
Hooligan
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Arrrrgghhh!
Stop whining and go steal yourself a new bike!!!
Arrrghhhh!
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Heh, when I was stationed in Germany, I left my bike unlocked one night after weaving my way home from the club. Thought it would be safe for a few hours on a military post. Next morning it's vanished into thin air. Few weeks later I spot a familiar looking bike parked at the gym on post. I haul bellybutton back to our hangar, grab some heavy duty bolt cutters, and 10 minutes later I'm riding home on my recovered bike. Pretty sad that I felt like a criminal recovering my own bike. Obviously the POS that took it didn't have any such hang-ups.
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Originally posted by Curval
No doubt lazs...but my plan is to get a lab. Just as your hundreds of thousands "without a shot" the biggest deterant here...without guns...is owning a dog. Doesn't have to be vicious or even big...just there. Theives stay away from houses with dogs.
I just saw the Bermuda stats on this...98.6% of houses broken into were dogless.
I guess 95% of the houses in Bermuda are dogless, which would go well with the ratio and wouldn't prove a thing.
There is 100 houses, then lets say 10 has a dog and thieves visits at 10 - that would make it 1 dog owner house and 9 dogless houses.
So indeed there is less burglary occuring on houses with dogs, but theres also less houses with dogs to break into.
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Originally posted by Curval
I am now pretty sure the thei got my bike by simply unlocking it...with my keys. They are missing along wth my cell phone.
That's actually more common than you might think. ;)
My brother had two vehicles: a Ford F150 crewcab and a Toyota 4runner (he liked mine so much he decided to get his own). The previous owners of his house had converted the garage into a spare room, so both of his vehicles were parked one behind the other in the driveway, the 4runner against the house with the F150 behind it.
My brother also has 2 small children who ride in carseats, and he only has 2 carseats (1 per child). Often, he finds himself having to take the seats out of one vehicle and installing in the 2nd vehicle so the kids can be carted around. To make the transition easier, he kept a key to each vehicle in the other vehicle.
One night he's lying in bed and he hears the "blump blump blump" of a slowly-cruising street rod. He's thinking "hey, that's a pretty cool sounding car." Then the motion-sensitive light goes on in his side yard but he doesn't think anything about it because his dogs will sometimes trigger the light when they go out the doggy door to relieve themselves. Then he hears the sound of his 4runner being started.
Just about the time he gets out of bed and to his front door, he sees his 4runner being backed across his lawn. He goes charging out, cell phone in hand with the police, yelling at the perps but they drive off.
Apparently, what had happened was that the thieves had broken into his unlocked F150 (his son likes to push the buttons on the remote control key fob to watch the truck blink and honk its horn, and the son probably turned the alarm off without my brother knowing it) and had found the key to the 4runner in the glove box. The thief then opened up the 4runner and decided to steal it for a joyride since he didn't have a way to start the F150 that was more conveniently parked by the road (by a stroke of luck, the key to the F150 had been removed from the 4runner's glove box earlier that day).
So the cops show up and take his information and tell him they'll get back to him. He's thinking the thieves probably didn't get very far and the 4runner should be found fairly easily. He thinks they'll have it back later that night.
Wrong.
By morning, he hasn't heard from the cops, so he decides to turn vigilante and solve the crime himself. He drives the F150 around and finds the 4runner parked, undamaged, all 4 doors open, a couple of blocks away at a house under construction, key still in the ignition. He drives home, parks the F150, walks the couple of blocks to the 4runner, drives it home, tells the police he's recovered the vehicle (and tells them a few more things about their effectiveness in the area of law enforcement), and tells the wife that she'll have to pick one vehicle or the other as "her" truck because they won't be leaving keys in vehicles any more.
Now he drives an 1988 300ZX that he's restoring. It doesn't have remote keyless entry.
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I've always wondered if someone steals your car, and then you steal it back, if the perp can sue you for it. :)
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Originally posted by texace
I've always wondered if someone steals your car, and then you steal it back, if the perp can sue you for it. :)
I remember some finnish guy spotting his sometime ago stolen car in estonia, while he was visiting there and soon he arranged it to be stolen back.
I don't remember exactly what was the aftermath... IIRC at least insurance company didn't like that.
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I used to have to park my bike in the living room of my townhouse because it didn't have a garage. My wife knows how I feel about my motorcycle and amazingly never gave me an ounce of crap about parking it there.
As far as the police go, their mentality is different. I know because I used to be one. When a person doesn't take precautions to prevent their property from being stolen, there's kind of a "well, what did that numbnuts expect was going to happen" attitude. I doubt the police officer was blaming you for your bike being stolen. He was probably just pissed off that you didn't take precautions to prevent it, and you made him do paperwork. Cops HATE paperwork...
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You should have invited the thief to a sandwich and some rum...
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If I were you curval, I'd play hardball with them, Did they file a report? If the answer is no then now its time to put their lazy arses in a sling...
I would write a letter to your mayor, CC to the police chief.
I would state your disappointment with the service of your local police department.; and tell them truthfully what happened. I would finish the letter with some facts:
1. You pay taxes right, if you do and are not a deadbeat include your w2's
2. The police get paid to serve and protect. in effect your are indirectly paying them and services are not being rendered.
3. Tell them you will forward a fraud complaint to your states attorney general if no actions are taken to record your theft..
4. Ask for a full audit of your local police department...
I got 3-1 odds you will get a reponse in less than 3 business days...
And most likely lazy individuals will be disciplined..
Dont screw around.. you do indeed have rights if your in this country legally.
My 2 cents...
DoctorYo
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Posted by Toad: As I said, have him give me a call or E-mail if he just can't grasp this simple fact of lawful behavior.
Rofl!
As if he'd give a flying f.. about Toad's rants. The worst thing is, Toad actually thinks someone cares.
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Just out of curiousity YO... why would you recomend doing that? Just because it's the most serious method of retaliation you can think of? I mean... why do you feel that particular response is merrited?
MiniD
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Originally posted by Curval
My wife called in my bike theft which occured on Friday night...right out of my driveway.
They asked if it was locked and it was, but just the ignition lock.
The officer then went on to say that it "should" have had a U-lock around the back tire also.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but even if the thing was unlocked a crime has still occurred and the cops should NOT be acting like insurnace adjusters?!?
My wife looked at me after she got off the phone and said "The police officer essentially said the theft was YOUR fault".
What a JOKE!
I've never been to Bermuda..that is where you are, isn't it?...but my impression is that it's not very large. Any chance you can find yer bike, yourself, Curval?.....just curious
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Quick update...
Received a call from the cops today. They found my cell phone in another car that had been broken into in another part of the island.
Seems like the theif accidentally dropped it when he was rumaging through the other car.
Silly fellow...CID (Crimminal Investigation Division) is dusting for prints and say they should be able to nail him as it appears to be a habitual offender and it is likely they have them on record.
Hope they don't find the bike now though...I want the insurance money. :)
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well very cool nail that MOFO to a log and float him out to sea!