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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Eagler on November 05, 2003, 02:17:01 PM
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Looks pretty dangerous to the mother.
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Originally posted by gofaster
Looks pretty dangerous to the mother.
I think thats why they want to prevent this law to come into effect, theres no safe guard for the health of the mother when this proccedure would be neccesary previously.
Tronsky
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Originally posted by -tronski-
I think thats why they want to prevent this law to come into effect, theres no safe guard for the health of the mother when this proccedure would be neccesary previously.
Tronsky
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there IS a "mothers health first" clause
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LINCOLN, Neb. (AP)- A federal judge in Nebraska blocked implementation of a federal ban on certain late-term abortions Wednesday, less than an hour after President Bush signed the ban into law.
U.S. District Judge Richard Kopf issued a temporary restraining order against the law after a three-hour hearing on a lawsuit in Nebraska brought by abortion-rights supporters.
He said his order would apply only to the four doctors who filed the lawsuit, but the ruling could extend beyond Nebraska because the physicians are licensed to practice in Alabama, Georgia, Iowa, New York, South Carolina and Virginia.
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if they didnt want a baby they shoulda worn protection...if they made a mistake they should have to live with it
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Eagler
I am pro choice but I like the idea of stopping late term stuff, with the exception of when the mother is in danger.
I think a specific date needs to be set, like at 3 months it is life and abortion becomes murder unless the mother is in danger.
Do you have a link to the text of the bill the pres signed?
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Put some work into the uses of this procedure people! This is nothing more than a neato political tool for Bush to garner the support of the far right wing ... like Eagler.
PPA is so rare as to be almost nonexistant in terms of types of abortions, and it is NEVER used as simple birth control. If you need to set up these straw men to make a point then maybe your point isn't warranted. Think about it!
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`CHAPTER 74--PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTIONS
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`1531. Partial-birth abortions prohibited.
`Sec. 1531. Partial-birth abortions prohibited
`(a) Any physician who, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, knowingly performs a partial-birth abortion and thereby kills a human fetus shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself. This subsection takes effect 1 day after the date of enactment of this chapter.
bill text (http://www.theorator.com/bills108/s3.html)
and the pdf (http://rpc.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/2003/L14ab030703.pdf)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Put some work into the uses of this procedure people! This is nothing more than a neato political tool for Bush to garner the support of the far right wing ... like Eagler.
PPA is so rare as to be almost nonexistant in terms of types of abortions, and it is NEVER used as simple birth control. If you need to set up these straw men to make a point then maybe your point isn't warranted. Think about it!
then why all the wailing and legal action?
yes - only 1% of the baby murders are committed in this gruesome fashion - again - why the big deal then from the left/libs?
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Originally posted by vorticon
if they didnt want a baby they shoulda worn protection...if they made a mistake they should have to live with it
Remember, condoms are only effective 97% of the time.
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It is unconstitutional in any case. States may have rights to regulate abortions, not the federal government.
miko
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Thanks for the link Eagler.
Hey I cant find in the text, at what point int he pregnacy does a partial birth abortion need to be done?
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Abortions are murder. They should not be allowed under any circumstances except if the mother is in danger. If you really don't want to have a baby, maybe use protection or give it up for adoption after birth.
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in before lock:aok
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Thanks for the link Eagler.
Hey I cant find in the text, at what point int he pregnacy does a partial birth abortion need to be done?
huh?
maybe before intercourse?
unless the mother is in life or death danger, you should not be allowed to suck the brains out of a 3rd trimester baby hanging out of a womans crotch ... can't image anyone would think or want otherwise..
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I'd be curious to know how common this really is. Is it a common procedure or like MT said a rare occurance due to the mother's life being in danger. Any links?
As someone who's pro choice, I also still think there should be some limit to the time frame in which one can have an abortion.
BTW Eagler, try to form a compelling argument and maybe you can get by without posting pictures you know aren't welcome.
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SOB
I didn't realize how inhumane this "procedure" truly was until I stumbled across the link
I've seen numbers between 3000 and 5000 annually
sad part is it is only about 1% of all abortions committed in that year ... sry can't "form a compelling argument" for that
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Do you know how many of those are related to the health of the mother? I'm gonna do some searching to find out more, but if you have links handy...
If you think what you've posted so far is compelling enough, then why did you post a picture that you knew was inappropriate for this board?
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Originally posted by vorticon
if they didnt want a baby they shoulda worn protection...if they made a mistake they should have to live with it
That just may be the most stupid statement I have ever read on this board.
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Originally posted by Furious
That just may be the most stupid statement I have ever read on this board.
Why of course its a stupid statement, that would mean personal responsibility...something America has lost.
There is a waiting list for parents that want to adopt....
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Why of course its a stupid statement, that would mean personal responsibility...something America has lost.
There is a waiting list for parents that want to adopt....
The world isn't exactly hurting for new bodies, so unless your values (you being the person deciding to have an abortion) tell you that abortion is wrong, I fail to see where personal responsibility comes into play.
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Originally posted by SOB
The world isn't exactly hurting for new bodies, so unless your values tell you that abortion is wrong, I fail to see where personal responsibility comes into play.
There are other alternatives than abortion, ones that you don't have to live with on your conscious (such as killing an unborn child). These alternatives allow others to fulfill their dreams as well.
Regarding over-population, the Chinese are out-producing us 5 to 1, so its not going to make much difference.
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Pro-life groups uncovered an internal memo by Planned Parenthood which estimated that up to 60 (0.24%) of the more than 25,000 abortions performed annually in Virginia were D&Xs. 1 If this figure is accurate nationally, then there would be up to 2,880 D&X procedures per year in the U.S.
3000 to 4000 seem to be the most accurate numbers.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_pba1.htm
Why Are D&X Procedures Performed?
3rd Trimester: They are also very rarely performed in late pregnancy. The most common justifications at that time are: The fetus is dead.
The fetus is alive, but continued pregnancy would place the woman's life in severe danger.
The fetus is alive, but continued pregnancy would grievously damage the woman's health and/or disable her.
The fetus is so malformed that it can never gain consciousness and will die shortly after birth. Many which fall into this category have developed a very severe form of hydrocephalus.
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*I edited my last post for clarity - see the text in ( )...sorry if that threw you off.*
Well, there's no shortage of kids needing adoption either...just of babies. You would have to live with your concience if you and your wife chose to abort a baby. I feel the same way. However, someone else might not.
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really liked the mock horror eagler. and the classy shock pics fit your politics so well, you makin bombs yet?. sell that hate. bet you dont get banned that is the real joke.
what women do with their bodys is not of your or your invisable friends business.
simple really.
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I don't care what your stand on abortion is, partial-birth abortions are barbaric, and there is no good reason to perform them on a healthy baby and mother.
Frankly though, the only way I can see abortion being percieved as a black-and-white issue is under a religious basis. As the primary "ban all abortions" argument is religious in nature, it is something that should be left up to the individuals, not the government.
That said, the only good reason for having an abortion after the 1st trimester is if the mothers health is in danger. (Being lazy doesn't count, being indecisive probably means you shouldn't have one)
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Originally posted by SOB
* You would have to live with your concience if you and your wife chose to abort a baby. I feel the same way. However, someone else might not.
I understand. And that brings me to my original point, lack of personal responsibility...if you're taught personal responsibility at a high level during the nurturing process, you never think it applies to you.
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
what women do with their bodys is not of your or your invisable friends business.
simple really.
Its not "their bodies" Eagler is concerned about, there is another body within them he's concerned about. That, sir, is not "A womans body" (IMO)
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PPA's have NOTHING to do with choice or personal responsibility. They are done only in rare circumstances. Please see the link I provided. It is not a one sided site.
Saying that the procedure is barbaric is just silly!
I heard about this one procedure where they will actually keep you awake while a Dr. opens your skull and operates on your brain!!! Then there is this one where huge clamps are used to rip open your chest while your still beating heart is cut out of your body! Then.... they take another heart and slam it into the same hole!!! ewwwwwwwwwwwww!
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I understand. And that brings me to my original point, lack of personal responsibility...if you're taught personal responsibility at a high level during the nurturing process, you never think it applies to you.
Actually I thought it brought us back to my point. That personal responsibility has nothing to do with this unless you (the person electing to have the abortion) feel abortion is wrong.
You might feel it's the wrong thing to do...and I might be inclined to agree with you...but that doesn't invalidate the opinion of people who think it's OK. It's hard to feel a sense of personal responsibility if you don't subscribe to the belief that it's a baby after the sperm smacks into the egg.
BTW...this off-shoot isn't about D&X, MT, it's about abortion in general. It was a reply to the child's (vorticon) statement.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
3000 to 4000 seem to be the most accurate numbers.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_pba1.htm
then why the big deal if they are now performed under the circumstances you stated?
all of those fall into the "acceptable" conditions under the new law
why?
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Exactly... why the big deal? Dems and libs aren't the ones trying to make a new law here. I think the "WHY" falls on your shoulders.
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You're not that naive, Eagler. Any law against abortion is a good step forward for anyone interested in seeing all abortion outlawed, and it's certainly a good political tool to garner support from pro-lifers. After reading more into the subject though (thanks for the link, MT), I don't see any problems with this law. Provided the doctors actually have a say about the needs of their patient in relation to the health risk. The fact that some doctors would do the procedure as an elective surgery and ignore the guidelines of their state medical boards is enough to convince me the law has some merit.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
PPA's have NOTHING to do with choice or personal responsibility. They are done only in rare circumstances. Please see the link I provided. It is not a one sided site.
The conversation went out of topic, the "personal responsibility" I was speaking of pertained to early in the pregnancy...just to be clear.
Its my opinion that most abortions are done because of the "Center of the Universe" syndrome..it interferes with someones lifestyle, therefore, they must kill to maintain their lifestyle. Too many preventive things out there that prevent pregnancy to make any excuses...
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Originally posted by Kevin14
Abortions are murder. They should not be allowed under any circumstances except if the mother is in danger. If you really don't want to have a baby, maybe use protection or give it up for adoption after birth.
not pointed at you directly kevin--just wanted a basis for my post m8......
Simple solution-put your money where your mouth is-
Get on the list of anti-abortionists
When your turn in line comes, take the mother, put her up, pay all the bills, including hospital and birthing costs, take child as your own. Repeat as necessary...... No more abortion problems..
Not your problem and you shouldnt pay for it but the mother should still not have an abortion?
Shut the F-up then..its not your problem...
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Originally posted by Eagler
bs
there IS a "mothers health first" clause
Just parroting what the news report explained why this had been vetoed twice last time it came up for signature...
Me...personally, no govt. should legislate a women's choice, but then even this procedure I would find it hard to believe to be common enough to warrant making unlawful outside other medical procedures.
Tronsky
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This is just the goverment tried to push the rightwing's side of morality on the rest of the country.
Just like the left does with guns.
Both sides think they have the "moral" right to tell every one else what they should do.
This is just there way of baby steps. thay cant push pass a low to compleatly outlay abortion so they will try in small steps
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My God what have we become:(
The abortionist jams scissors into the baby's skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the hole.
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The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child's brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed.
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HOLLY CRAP
Trell
If you are a liberal and or a democrat you are not allowed to use sliperly slop arguments!!!
Cause if you do the the NRA is right and OMG you can't have that!!
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Originally posted by vorticon
if they didnt want a baby they shoulda worn protection...if they made a mistake they should have to live with it
I don't look at a child as a mistake!!
These silly b itches should give the child up for adoption.
There are pleanty of couples waiting and waiting for a child to adopt.
And the fathers of these children I believe should have some rights and responsabilities as well.
I am not for abortion of any kind exept to save mothers life.
And I damn sure aint for this barbaric butchery
:mad:
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Gerbils eat their young, I think they have something there because there isn't anyone on this planet complaining about that.
-SW
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If Pro Choice means choosing to use birth control then yes...I am Pro Choice ;)
IMO all legalized abortion does is let people act irresponsibly and get away with it. We all know that sex is how we reproduce and that by having sex w/o using some form of birth control we run the risk of the female becoming pregnant. If you dont want children, use birth control.
If abortions weren't legal all those babies could go to couples who are unable to produce their own offspring. Some people wait years just to adopt one infant. Some people never get to adopt an infant.
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I see you didn't want to leave your reply up very long MrBlack, did you see something it that reminded you of yourself?
I thought so.
-SW
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Good point, Elfie. UP WITH COATHANGARS!!! DOWN WITH DOCTORS!!!
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
I see you didn't want to leave your reply up very long MrBlack, did you see something it that reminded you of yourself?
I thought so.
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No i just did not want to lower myself to you'r level.
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Oh, right, because you are so very superior in... something.
Just because you were quick enough to find the delete button doesn't nullify the fact you already lowered yourself below my level with the name calling.
Enjoy your high horse, just watch out for them groundhog holes that surround you.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Oh, right, because you are so very superior in... something.
Just because you were quick enough to find the delete button doesn't nullify the fact you already lowered yourself below my level with the name calling.
Enjoy your high horse, just watch out for them groundhog holes that surround you.
-SW
Whatever dude I just don't find this subject a joking matter.
Sry did not mean to offend you THATS why I pulled my response.
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Good point, Elfie. UP WITH COATHANGARS!!! DOWN WITH DOCTORS!!!
In most instances using birth control solves the entire abortion issue before it ever starts.
One thing most Pro Choice people dont consider is how an abortion affects the mother emotionally. My wife had an abortion long before I ever met her. To this day she still becomes depressed and moody, somtimes breaking down in tears over it. This usually occurs around the time of year the baby would have been born. It's my understanding that this type of behaviour is fairly common in women who have had abortions. My wife had her abortion over 15 years ago......
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Originally posted by Elfie
In most instances using birth control solves the entire abortion issue before it ever starts.
One thing most Pro Choice people dont consider is how an abortion affects the mother emotionally. My wife had an abortion long before I ever met her. To this day she still becomes depressed and moody, somtimes breaking down in tears over it. This usually occurs around the time of year the baby would have been born. It's my understanding that this type of behaviour is fairly common in women who have had abortions. My wife had her abortion over 15 years ago......
The taking of a life will do that to you.
Don't mean to sound harsh Elfie.
You'r wife sounds like she has a big heart:aok
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Originally posted by Elfie
One thing most Pro Choice people dont consider is how an abortion affects the mother emotionally.
I'm sorry your wife had to make that choice. However, I don't think that is a compelling argument against giving her the right to make that choice. She would have had to live with the consequences either way, and it was her choice to make. You have no way of know if she would be better off had she chose differently.
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If my wife could have a *do-over* she would not have had the abortion. In her own words....."Yes I made a choice, a horrible one" Interesting that she is now completely against abortions based on her own experience.
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Interesting that she would not afford the same opportunity to another woman that was afforded to her.
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Its a joking matter to me because its about people wanting to restrict someone else's right/ability to do something because they wouldn't do it.
Kind of like, seniors shouldn't drive. Did you know they are a hazard to other people on the road? Some will periodically fall asleep behind the wheel in mid-day, or have such poor vision they can't see around them, etc. Are you going to require them to give up their licenses? Take away their cars? What then, will you offer them rides when they need it?
Or are you going to allow them the choice to keep driving, having their family members talk them out of it, or let them stop driving on their own?
This country is all about freedom, rights and choice - you wanna sit around having a circle jerk over the laws you believe should be in place regarding what you believe is right or wrong, maybe freedom is just a little too much for you. Check out Communism as your form of government, I understand they enjoy restricting rights and freedoms based on what they think is right and wrong.
-SW
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Let me tell you a story about abortions.
My first wife way back in 1987 found a doctor and told him she was single.
And she got an abortion WHILE we where still married(I knew nothing of this) I did not even know she was pregnant!!
I found this out many years later from her sister.
Her reasone for the abortion you might ask?
Well it seems she was planning on leaving me and did not want anything that would tie her to me.
There just one of my many reasones I have a problem with abortions.
They should require the consent of BOTH parents!!!!!
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Its a joking matter to me because its about people wanting to restrict someone else's right/ability to do something because they wouldn't do it.
Kind of like, seniors shouldn't drive. Did you know they are a hazard to other people on the road? Some will periodically fall asleep behind the wheel in mid-day, or have such poor vision they can't see around them, etc. Are you going to require them to give up their licenses? Take away their cars? What then, will you offer them rides when they need it?
Or are you going to allow them the choice to keep driving, having their family members talk them out of it, or let them stop driving on their own?
This country is all about freedom, rights and choice - you wanna sit around having a circle jerk over the laws you believe should be in place regarding what you believe is right or wrong, maybe freedom is just a little too much for you. Check out Communism as your form of government, I understand they enjoy restricting rights and freedoms based on what they think is right and wrong.
-SW
Oh now you have done it!
I spent 4 years of my life defending the freedoms of this fine country.
So don't you dare begine to tell me about freedoms.
We have the freedom to buy a gun and walk up to someone on the street and shoot them in the head too.
But that don't mean that it's right.
Look there is a big difference between getting a belly ring and killing you'r unborne child!!!
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Oh yeah, I'm sorry - only people who serve can sit around and tell people what freedom is.
The government is built to protect society. Someone walking around on the street capping people is a detriment to society, hence its within their grasp of putting him away.
Someone doesn't want a child that can not live without the assistance of machines (not just breast milk and changing poopy diapers), thats not a danger to society. The government has no business getting into that.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Oh yeah, I'm sorry - only people who serve can sit around and tell people what freedom is.
The government is built to protect society. Someone walking around on the street capping people is a detriment to society, hence its within their grasp of putting him away.
Someone doesn't want a child that can not live without the assistance of machines (not just breast milk and changing poopy diapers), thats not a danger to society. The government has no business getting into that.
-SW
But is it too much to ask to have BOTH parents consent?
I mean it took both to make the baby in all fairness it should take both to kill it.
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Ok try this one on fer size.
if you don't want to be a daddy.
Then wear a rubber or masterbate.
Pretty simple really.
And if she don't want to be a mommy she can say NO or take the pill or get her tubes tied or you got it Mr DILDO.
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I'm not sure how well that could be handled. Just thinking of a possible scenario, in no way do I imply we're like this ******* here, if the father skips town and the mother doesn't want the baby... how would that be handled?
If you're married, OTOH, I don't see why it wouldn't require both the father and mother to agree on it...
EDIT: Condoms break, can come with weak areas that will turn into holes during sex, etc.
-SW
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You want to talk rights and freedoms? Fine. Every child that is aborted NEVER gets the chance to excercise any rights and choices. Someone else took all that away from him/her.
Ironic how the Pro Choice side ignores the fact that birth control in all its many forms STILL solves the abortion issue before it ever gets started :rolleyes: Birth control is a viable alternative to abortion. IMO no one has the right to kill another human being unless it's in self defense, that includes pregnant women.
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Originally posted by Elfie
You want to talk rights and freedoms? Fine. Every child that is aborted NEVER gets the chance to excercise any rights and choices. Someone else took all that away from him/her.
Why don't children have rights or choices? Its still the parents call on both of those.
Originally posted by Elfie
Ironic how the Pro Choice side ignores the fact that birth control in all its many forms STILL solves the abortion issue before it ever gets started.
I don't ignore it, I even use birth control. Are there any, short of getting a visectomy or her tubes tied, that are 100% effective?
-SW
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Originally posted by Elfie
IMO no one has the right to kill another human being unless it's in self defense, that includes pregnant women.
Hey look it's a fetus! IT'S COMING RIGHT FOR US!!!!!
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
EDIT: Condoms break, can come with weak areas that will turn into holes during sex, etc.
-SW
True But just do like me and my wife do.
She takes the pill and I go without:rofl
J/K I wear a condom.
At 46 and 45 years of age we are a little old to be starting a family
So we take to proper steps to insure that don't happen.
Perhapes If others did the same there would be very little need for abortions(medical reasons only):aok
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
I don't ignore it, I even use birth control. Are there any, short of getting a visectomy or her tubes tied, that are 100% effective?
-SW
Butt sex blow jobs hand jobs titty butterin should i go on:D
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Originally posted by Elfie
You want to talk rights and freedoms? Fine. Every child that is aborted NEVER gets the chance to excercise any rights and choices. Someone else took all that away from him/her.
That's because parasites don't have rights.
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Originally posted by Innominate
Hey look it's a fetus! IT'S COMING RIGHT FOR US!!!!!
LOL! Look out, Ned!
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Originally posted by SOB
That's because parasites don't have rights.
Well there goes you'r rights then:D
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Are there any, short of getting a visectomy or her tubes tied, that are 100% effective?
-SW
Well, I wouldn't say 100%. :)
http://www.kgw.com/health/stories/kgw_110503_health_botched_vasectomy.1f09bace.html
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Butt sex... if I want a fudgecicle I'll get it from Jello... wait, that doesn't sound too good...
Except for the BJ by an experienced woman, it'd be more fun to get new porn and jerk off to that. Be done in 5 minutes flat and not have to say, "Hey - don't worry, you did a good job!" as you roll your eyes.
;)
-SW
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Ya know, I really should have done this before now...
(http://www.matthoffman.us/dl/ignore.jpg)
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SOB I beat you to it LOL.
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This is about one minor sub set of abortions. the kind that takes place in the THIRD trimester.
If woman wants an abortion, I am all for her having the choice. I see nothing wrong with giving her a time limit. At some point that growth or Parasite as someone called it is a human life.
I fail to see how making the person who wants to have an abortion do it in the first 90 or 180 days is bad.
AND AND AND
There is a clause in this bill. If the mother is in danger she can still have one to save her life.
Why is this a bad thing to the pro choicers here?
Again I am pro choice, because this is a case (one of the few in my book) of subjective morality. No one has defined tell now when that growth becomes a life.
No one is banning abortion, just one particular kind, that only a teribly iresponible person would want. Unless it is needed for the mothers life to be save. Take a step back and think about it.
P.S. Does it really bother the hell out of anyone else that the planed parent hood orginization is lying through their teeth on their page?
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Technically, Wouldn't the procedure be easier to just shoot the mother in the head? That would make a lot of guys lives easier and reduce overpopulation. Well, I guess that is illegal now too.
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Why don't children have rights or choices? Its still the parents call on both of those.
Actually children do have rights, and my oldest daughter does make choices and has ever since she could talk. Granted the intiall choices were simple ones like....cheerios or rice krispies for breakfast. The older she gets, the more choices she is allowed to make on her own, I think she does a remarkable job for a 9 yr old =)
Aborted children never get the chance to make ANY choices for obvious reasons
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Originally posted by Elfie
Ironic how the Pro Choice side ignores the fact that birth control in all its many forms STILL solves the abortion issue before it ever gets started :rolleyes: Birth control is a viable alternative to abortion.
The religious folks who want to outlaw abortion aren't too hot on birth control or sex education either.
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I honestly don't understand how any woman (or man involved in the decision) could live with him/herself after allowing such a procedure UNLESS her own life were at risk. Even then I can't imagine the problems it would cause. Supporting such a thing for any other reason is horrific.
Are there monsters out there who think this should be legal under any circumstance?
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i believe it is absolutly no business of you based on your religion enforcing your will on anyone for any reason. why is that so hard to understand.
mind your own busness. you dont have a moral imperative to make anyone do what you want. no matter how bad you think you have the "god given" right.
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I always love the leftist degenerate way of Hugging criminals, and aborting babys.
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Originally posted by Elfie
If my wife could have a *do-over* she would not have had the abortion. In her own words....."Yes I made a choice, a horrible one" Interesting that she is now completely against abortions based on her own experience.
Exactly the same situation as my wife, when she was 17. Can't even discuss it today, but shes very anti-abortion. She has much regret, and I'm sure it hurts when she looks into the eyes of our children.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
I always love the leftist degenerate way of Hugging criminals, and aborting babys.
:D
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
i believe it is absolutly no business of you based on your religion enforcing your will on anyone for any reason. why is that so hard to understand.
mind your own busness. you dont have a moral imperative to make anyone do what you want. no matter how bad you think you have the "god given" right.
back under the bridge with ya dirty troll.
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Abortion should only be legal when the mother's life is in danger, in cases of rape, or if the baby has a severe medical condition that would threaten it's ability to survive outside the womb.
Partial birth abortions are neccessary if the mother's life is in jeopardy, and it appears the new law banning these types of procedures covers that contingency. So I can't see why anyone would be against banning this most outrageous form of abortion.
I used to be pro-choice, until I realized that the only correct choice was to use birth control, and not get yourself in a situation where you would consider killing an unborn child.
There are a lot of fancy medical terms used to dehumanize a baby when it's inside of it's mother, but in reality, it's still a human child.
Many pro-choice advocates use the phrase "Keep your hands and laws off of my body".
Well, perhaps the unborn baby inside of you would like to say "Keep your abortion tools away from my body, so that I can be born and have the chance to live."
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WOW - a convert!
wtg
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You posted this knowing it was not appropriate. So, I can safely assume you have no respect for anyone here at HTC. That door goes both ways.