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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Bodhi on June 25, 2001, 12:23:00 PM
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Ya know, it is really something when you come home for lunch in a good mood, and leave in a bad mood. Thats the qway it is today anyways. I came home flew a flight, and get nailed three times by 3 different people by nik head ons. All except the last I tried to avoid. I seem to remember that everyone squeaked about the Hog being to damn lethal, well atleast it was a counter to that damn paper kite the nik is. Perk the damn thing or something, because it (nik) is really ruining the fun experience.
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JUMP ON THE BAND WAGON YA'LL WE GOTS SOME PROTESTINS TO BE DOIN'!!!!!!
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-SW
(ain't we been through this crap before... didn't I say somein' about moving onto the next plane to get perked??? hmmm)
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I understand that some complain about the Niki's FM. I'm not too hot on physics, so I've no idea of weither they're wrong or right, but if you're getting HO'd, isn't that a failure of merge tactics/positioning rather than FM's?
If your merge is so poor that a Niki has a HO shot at you, wouldn't a Typhoon, Ta-152 or TBM have the same shot?
I can understand you're pissed, but I don't see the relevance of the plane? Were all three pilots members of a Squad you could lambast for poor ethics, perhaps?
Should the same happen three times in a row to a Wulf, would you still admit your failings in public, or work to better them?
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Any other plane in AH can't do what n1k does, although spits come close. Not nearly as bad in any case IMO.
You see a n1k low and slow ready to be bounced. You start gliding down.. N1k sees you.. N1k pulls the stick and turns the plane 120 degrees.. N1k keeps the nose there waiting for you to dive down to something that was a bounce and now is a HO. N1k does not stall.
You pull up, setting for another run.. N1k finally drops its nose, snaps out of stall and is ready for another run way before you can get down again.
This can get very frustrating since it seems the n1k almost always has the option to turn the nose into a HO. And it does so 80% of the time.
If you make the mistake of actually HO'ing him, there's a good chance he'll shoot you down..
If you evade his dweeb shot, he'll outclimb you in 3 passes time and will force you to run. - Unless the n1k pilot is a complete newbie and LETS you take a shot at him.
The scenario above applies only to 1:1 situations and to planes other than spits / a6m. With those you can afford to turn&burn with the n1kki if you feel dumb enough.
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Bodhi, do you really find any apreciable difference between N1K2J and SpitIX?? Yep, the shape and the colors.
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rope a dope, or spiral dive on him ti'll he stalls.. works almost everytime.
No reason to HO a niki unless you run out of patience.
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Spits and A6M5s will all eat N1K2-Js for lunch.
In my limited experience in dealing with them in other aircraft they have to be respected, but are manageable.
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LA7s own nikis.
The niki will almost always try to lead turn you to get a snap shot or a tail chase. Turn into him like a missed HO or a late lead turn. When he disapears under your nose let em go....
I often see little fluttering pieces from the niki If you miss him. he will be spinning to try to get on your tail. The next time he tries to lead turn (he will) he will be worried.....
Snap shooting during his lead turn at least with the LA7. almost totaly takes the nikis game away in 1 vs 1 co alt.
If it doesnt work then you have like 50 mph on him on the deck. If you cant wiggle out of his spray and prey and get away with that then the problems not the planes bud.
I have done the same tactic in a HogD when I had lots of speed at start. With the 50s you can start shooting even earlier in his lead turn and make life even more tough for him.
Nothing like getting lit up by 50 cal right during the start of your bread and butter manuver to make you jink the wrong way and screw up your world! Especially when the fire is coming from a high angle plane form shot..
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Originally posted by Pongo:
LA7s own nikis.
He's right :D
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N1K2 usage only accounts for 13.1% of all fighter kills. If you want that to get higher, we are gonna need more N1K2 uber threads.
AKDejaVu
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Ya know, it is really something when you come home for lunch in a good mood, and leave in a bad mood.
Over a plane in AH?
I'd hate to see you get your tax bill. Jeez you guys are something else.
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I usually get refunds, so tax bill day is a good day for me =)
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy:
<snip> N1k does not stall. <snip>
You pull up, setting for another run.. N1k finally drops its nose, snaps out of stall and is ready for another run way before you can get down again.
Gee what is the dot command to get this plane? I have yet to see a N1K2 that wont stall.
And you should make up your mind, either it stalls or it doesnt. Your two sentences above contradict each other.
Hurry up all....jump on the "Perk the NIKI bandwagon" while there is still room.
What a buncha frigging whiners!!
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Originally posted by sling322:
What a buncha frigging whiners!!
Zactly what I think of the "Perk this plane 'cause it shoots me down too much" whiners
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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I can't beleive so many posts veer off into discussions of "How to kill a Niki".
That has nothing at all to do with the original poster's problem. He stated that he was HO'd three times in succsesion. In this case the respective handling of his and his opponants A/C are irrelevant, as the fight doesn't progress that far. His merge tactics are so in error, that ACM doesn't play in the equation.
Secondly, he wasn't just complaining of being HO'd, but of being HO'd by Niki's; which gives raise to the question what influence plane type has on HO's. If he repeated the same moves against a Typhoon, 205, Ta-152, Yak 9-T or any other cannon armed plane would he fare any better, and if so, why?
I'm stil curious as to whether he want's HO's disabled, or to learn a better merge.
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Sling322: If you would care to read my post and try actually to understand what I was saying, you'd notice that my sayings never did contradict.
My point was: a N1k pilot can turn his nose to face you regardless of the attackers angle. Because n1k rides the stall really well, he can also remain with his nose pointed on the sky long enough to ruin a b&z attack.
Seems like the people who are overprotective about certain planetypes attack others verbally simply because they're limited to a certain type of planes. (Cheap) perking of the planes would then stop the usage of the protectors because they can't earn the 7 perk points needed to fly it. Or am I far off?
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You are way off MrRipley.
I protect the N1K2, to leave it as a non-perk, simply because I do not believe it should be removed and it is not THAT much of a threat.
If you are getting killed running a BnZ plan of attack, then you deserve to die. I never have any problems swatting N1K2s out of the sky.
You all really need to re-analyze what you are frustrated with.
You claim it's a N1K2, or headons, or Spits, or F4U-1Cs. I see a running theme here.
Guns or cannons and YOU ARE GETTING HIT BY THEM.
Sorry, you screwed the pooch and you had it coming. Learn from your mistakes, don't make it so if you make mistakes you still can't possibly get killed.
Getting lamer and lamer by the day.
-SW
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SWulfe: I was only commenting to the HO part of the original post.
I have no problems killing n1ks after I accepted that I have to extend from them if I don't manage to kill them instantly.
N1k does have a couple points which are a tad hard for me to swallow and those are yawless zoom climbs and incredible dive speed / handling. Compare Ki-61 and a n1k when you pull them vertical into a stall speed.. Pretty big difference.
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Yeah, I can get the Ki61 to do loops where the plane is only going 100MPH and only 50MPH at the vertex.
Them things are UFOs, the ultimate N1K2 killer. <G>
-SW
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perking the nik would be ok but then what would you do about the spit?
I think this whole mess is pointing out the silliness of the idiotic perk system. I am mediocre but if I wanted to I could fly the Chog every sortie forever. Who would I fly against? New guys who couldn't fly the Chog or not fly it enough to get good in it. Same would go for the spit or the nik... I got like 1500 perk points and will never use a single one because I think they are wrong... that means, I will not fly the Chog... Perk the nik and I won't fly it... perk the spit and it's out too.... Wonder how long it will be before the dHog is perked? When I got to worry about what planes I can fly because of the idiotic perk system then that is the day I find another sim.
I do believe that the P51 should be about 100 perk points thos because every one used is one less fighter in the game.
lazs
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PERK em all,
then the whiners will realy squeak cause they can't fly!!!! :p
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Don't stall-fight a N1K, it'll eat you for lunch unless you are in a Zero. N1K's will always try to HO, and they will often take long-range shots hoping to get lucky hits. Me-thinks a lot of people are stall-fighting N1K's, or bouncing them over-eagerly and getting into HO situations, both bad news. N1K's just take some special prep-time to set up to kill, you can't just rush in. The Spit's are also bad matches in my experience for going up against N1K's (though a number of people don't feel that is the case).
La7's rule N1K's...
-Soda
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it seems the furball crowd whines the loudest about the n1k - the only thing required in a furball is the ability to fly around in a circle while people crash near you for kills -
if you perk the n1k the next cannon totin turner will be next. above 5k in actual combat they are like little kittens.
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hiya all:
well I've been shot down by lots of N1K's, and Ive shot down lots of N1K's. I have no problem with them either way.
And as I am not flying right now, it is true they perked the F4U-C. how stupid, no plane is any better then the pilot flying it. hell a good pilot can rak up the kills in a 202. I ean look at the tempest, its a perk plane and I do not think I ever had a problem with a tempset. when I saw a tempst, it was just another plane that would kill me or I would kill it. oh yeah 4 20mm cannons is much better if you go for the HO shot, but other then that it will take some skill.
hey heres an idea, put Bloom25 in a 202, and put 5 newbies in F4U-C's or N1K's or any 4 cannon plane. and I bet Bloom25 takes out all 5 newbies.
Why, because he wont go for the HO and will out fly the newbies. better pilot skills.
well thats how I look at it, the better pilot will have a better chance no matter what he is flying and what he is flying against.
wolf37