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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: AKDejaVu on November 01, 2000, 06:05:00 PM
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Why?
Take a look at Aper's stats for tour9.
628th?
AKDejaVu
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Who the heck is Aper? I think the scoring system gives emphasis to bomber sorties as well when giving overall rank, and he has all of 4 bomber sorties. Check out my score...hell, I'm a dweeb, and I'm ranked 44th, but I've had 94 bomber sorties and Jabo all the time, so my object damage is higher by leaps and bounds.
Since it's an overall ranking based on damage inflicted on the enemy plus things like gunnery and k/d ratio, etc...the way it is now would be correct, no? Maybe we could have a different ranking for strictly fighter rankings? I think the data's already there, you just have to go to each specific pilot's score page to see their rankings in various areas, instead of having a listing of the top 100.
SOB
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Great fighter stats!
If he cares to rank higher "Overall", he should try dropping a bomb or two. Also wouldn't hurt to shuttle some troops.
The key word is overall.
He and everyone else knows that he kicks butt in a fighter.
eskimo
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Points are uber and should be done away with.... <evi grin>
Mav
PS points were inspired by the FW190 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hi
Bomber, Goon, and tank driving, figures heavily in the oerall score.
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I think the scoring system gives emphasis to bomber sorties as well when giving overall rank, and he has all of 4 bomber sorties.
Ah.. OK.. you MUST fly bomber missions. If he'd dropped one bomb on one target he'd probably be ranked in the top 20. I'm sure that merrits the move up the score chain.
Since it's an overall ranking based on damage inflicted on the enemy plus things like gunnery and k/d ratio, etc...the way it is now would be correct, no?
So.. if I take a bomber up every sortie, then fly over HQ at 30k and drop all of my bombs on it.. then RTB without even causing more than 20% damage to the building I should have a higher score than any fighter pilot? Hmmmm.
Its time to separate bomber and fighter scores. Or find an equitable way to rank those that fly fighters against those that don't. Right now that doesn't exist.
AKDejaVu
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To get a bomber score you dont have to fly the bombers, go do a couple of Jabo runs these will count as bomber ratings, and of course helping your team with some Goonie drops not only develops you as a team player but will help your score/rating.
Personally i have never flown a bomber ie B17, B26 , Ju etc. All my bomber missions have been Jabo and dive bombing.
Of course a different skill may be needed to actually get to the target in one piece but once you drop your eggs feel free to sweep on the way home.
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Of course stats are porked
aper, hblair, udie, nathbdp, camo all suck isn stats but are best pilots (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
score means nothing as i have said so many times before
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There's a scoring system?
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Rickenbacker (Ricken)
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the Independent Swedish Air Force
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sheesh, what a buncha scorepotato whiners....
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GreyBeard, Squadron Leader
Commander, "E" Flight, Aces High
Senior Staff Council
"The Skeleton Crew"
"Fly with Honor"[/i]
"Keepin' the Faith"
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Ah.. OK.. you MUST fly bomber missions. If he'd dropped one bomb on one target he'd probably be ranked in the top 20. I'm sure that merrits the move up the score chain.
So.. if I take a bomber up every sortie, then fly over HQ at 30k and drop all of my bombs on it.. then RTB without even causing more than 20% damage to the building I should have a higher score than any fighter pilot? Hmmmm.
Its time to separate bomber and fighter scores. Or find an equitable way to rank those that fly fighters against those that don't. Right now that doesn't exist.
AKDejaVu
Did ya read my post at all DJ? My point was that the current pilot ranking is for your overall performance, not only figher vs. fighter. Didn't agree or disagree with ya, just pointed that out, and made a suggestion for a seperate fighter ranking...sheesh.
SOB
[This message has been edited by SOB (edited 11-01-2000).]
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Hi
The overall score thing is ok and it has its place. But since the sim is called Aces High, why not add a seperate fighter specific ranking structure. This would favor K/D ratio, K/Sortie ration, and the overall number of kills, that hit %, and time thing, but basically a score/rank list based just on fighter work. Plus It be great to have some kind of current best kill streak, tallied mission after mission even if no hot refuel, but stopped after ur shot down including if u bail succesfully. Otherwise your just likeky to get ur chute strafed if he finds out ur #1 kill streak guy. Put this someplace visible like the AH home page, so the they get some recognition of their hard work. Anyone else think this could work?
thanks GRUNHERZ
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You should not have to fly goons or drive tanks or anything like that to get better rankings or be considered a "team" player.
If someone is a killer fighter pilot, I don't think it is in a countries best interests to have that person flying a goon. I would rather have that person escorting the goon to make sure it gets where it is going.
It would be nice to have the rankings seperated by fighters, bombers, ground vehicles, etc. After all, in real war, fighter pilots didn't fly bombers or drive tanks.
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"Wing up, Get kills, Be happy"
Midnight
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My point was that the current pilot ranking is for your overall performance
No.. I don't believe it is. If the system requires you to fly certain aircraft, it is flawed. It is no longer based on PERFORMANCE, but rather some easy to manipulate formula.
AKDejaVu
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Well, whatever...you're arguing with yourself here. I was just telling ya how I thought the scoring system works, but perhaps I was wrong. For me, score runs just behind accurately modeled sheep in order of importance. Good luck gettin' what ya want.
SOB
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Your "Overall Score" is simply a reflection of your well roundedness.
The system is very simple; all 10 categories count equally. The people with the lowest total (combine all 10) rankings are ranked the highest.
eskimo
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"score means nothing" -Zigrat
other peoples scores mean nothing.
especially if you use the MA as a practice arena for scenarios.
you can claim virtue in your martyrdom . thow art so noble for being shot down so much. someones gotta be in the barrel.
zigrat likes to think it takes no skill to rack up a high score and flying to live.
he also gets shot down a lot in fly to live scenarios from what I remember (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
flew tour 9 to new personal levels of success at flying to live and had fun trying to unseat winqck from his thrown as ultimate chog scorepotato. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
but overall I dont give a rats bellybutton about anyones statistics but my own. and I'm sure no one else cares about anyone elses scores either.
flying to live or scorewhoring are both personal styles of flying using a different set of objectives and decision making processes than those that find it so satisfying to get shot down every sortie.
I found flying to live much more challenging than the predictable cycle of quake dweeb flying and dying.
I would rank my favorite flying styles of most fun to least...
1. flying to live succesfully and racking up high streak.
2. quake flying well and killing a bunch, auger if not killed and get a new plane fast
3. scorewhoring showdown vs winqck the ultimate scoredweeb.
4. quake flying and getting shot down after less than mutliple kills in a sortie
5. getting shot down a lot while flying to live.
I'm not as good as almighty zigrat, nathbdp and udie.
I'm just a crap pilot with altitude that runs away from a fair fight.
aint that right ziggy? <finger>
[This message has been edited by Citabria (edited 11-02-2000).]
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Hm, well, I've done lots of jabo runs, and am a still way down the list for points.
That being said; what counts (if anything does) is K/D * (planes flown) and Sorties/Landings
I.e I looked and thought "wow, how the hell do they do that?" Then I realized that 90% of the top ones in k/d fly the spray n pray one ping wonder chog, and bug out as soon as there's problems. They don't go into fights where they're outnumbered, and usually, they'll leave a squaddie behind.
Sure, I can fly that style. Did it for first week of tour 9, and my k/d went up from 3.2 to 8.5. But man, was it boring.
I favour flying to live, but, with that being said, it is *essential* to help a squaddie, even if it means BAD odds. That combined with out r squads tactics (i.e attack away from the main nit strike force) means we find ourselves in interesting and tough fights a lot. I like that - and there's little kill stealing since there are plenty of targets (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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DJ...
Htc is way ahead of us on this one...changes will be made to the ranking system to allow fighter jocks a seperate ranking or something like that...not sure how their going to do this but that is what HT had indicated to me.
Cita...
You mean to tell me that you fly to kill more enemy than enemy kills you???
And also you try to land those kills afterwards and complete a sortie??? Hmmm....I'm not sure what to think of that kind of behavior (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Zig...
Score may mean nothing to you, however, it helps me gauge how well I'm flying...it's just a challenge in a way to achieve my personal goals...it's just a bi-product of how I fly....Just because it means nothing to you, you really shouldn't berate others for using it as a motivation to fly effectively...afterall, do you enjoy dying repeatably without ever landing and completing a sortie? If you do thats cool, I just wouldn't have as much fun if my callsign was flashing across my enemies text buffer as a casualty (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Ice
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I think whatever motivates someones flying style is cool, for that person. If you have a different flying style, then good for you.
The first six tours I was motivated by overall rank. That was fun.
But I missed doing certain things that you just don't do if you are concerned with your score. So I then paid no attention to score and and did all of the anti-score things that I missed doing for a few tours. That was also fun.
Part way through tour 9, I thought it would be fun to focus on fighter kills per time. That was fun.
I think it would also be fun to spend a tour focused on K/D.
It would also be fun focusing mainly on field captures.
I'm sure that I will someday go back to the Scorepotato Overall Rank thing again as well.
For me, variety is cool. But I also respect whatever motivates anyone else, weather it involves score or not, or even if they always do the same thing.
To anyone who thinks that score means nothing; your right. But if you think it is easy to rank very well, shut up and prove it.
eskimo
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Perhaps a kill of a fighter needs to have a higher object damage rating. Damage inflicted to the enemy should include your fighter kills.
SKurj
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Well said Eskimo (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Well, whatever...you're arguing with yourself here.
No.. I'm not.
I'd like to see the scoring system guage performance. Aper did very well in a fighter. He is an excellent fighter pilot and should be ranked accordingly. Anyone that faught against him knows what I am talking about.
You seem to feel that the score system should revolve around how you play the game. I believe it should be based on how well you fly.
AKDejaVu
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AKDejaVu;
What we know about pilots and how they are ranked will always vary. If a pilot want a higher rank; they need to diversify. Otherwise just be happy with your rank under K/D, Hit % or whatever turns you on.
I watched a fellow squad mate of mine get vulched on take off 3 times in a row. On his fourth attempt he managed to get airborne and killed 4 out of the 6 vulchers before he was killed again. Feats like this are not rare for him. I consider him to also be a great sim pilot. I am sure that the four guys that he killed must have also thought that they were fighting against a God, especially considering the odds.
What should be done to the score system for a pilot like my squad mate to be ranked accordingly?
I personally have lost long good dogfights against some of the best pilots in this game. I have also died while taxiing at 20 mph with no cons in sight. Either way, I died. Both deaths should count against me. A score system shouldn't be expected to recognize the difference.
eskimo
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http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum3/HTML/000120.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum3/HTML/000120.html)
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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A few tours back I was in about 900th position. I then did a fighter mission and promptly jumped up 820 places. Kinda strange - think it works both ways.
Regards
'Nexx'
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Eskimo,
You've pointed out a pretty good point indirectly. That guy you describe probably did more strategically than the guy who gets 20 kill vulches.. Shouldn't he actually get more points for fighting into a hopeless situation (or near hopeless one would think).
I personally find the "fight to live" concept a little tough to understand. Some claim it is more realistic though I disagree. I'm sure the RAF had that option in the Battle of Britain, or the LW over Germary trying to defeat bomber raids, or the Russians near Moscow....not.
I like the way the scoring is done, save a couple of stats that could be broken up better (as Pyro pointed out is on the list of things being done). It points to a balanced player, not one who specializes in any one thing.
Soda
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
No.. I'm not.
I'd like to see the scoring system guage performance. Aper did very well in a fighter. He is an excellent fighter pilot and should be ranked accordingly. Anyone that faught against him knows what I am talking about.
You seem to feel that the score system should revolve around how you play the game. I believe it should be based on how well you fly.
AKDejaVu
No, actually, I don't have ANY opinion of how the score system should work. That's just how I *think* it works now. For all I care, they could base it on how many enemy chutes you'd strafe...hell, then I'd be an ace! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
SOB
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No, actually, I don't have ANY opinion of how the score system should work. That's just how I *think* it works now.
Ah.. I see.
We all know how the scoring system works. The title of the the thread was "rethinking it".
AKDejaVu
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cc. <finger>