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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: mrblack on November 10, 2003, 01:25:25 AM
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Well yea but taking snapshots of nothing but blank sky, kinda sucks.
Btw in AH1 the text will be much sharper and clearer if you have the AF button on performance not quality.
It would be interesting to see you run the earlier frame rate tests for AH2 and compare to your original GF card results.
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Oh I have and It looks like a double in performance .
And I can now run FSAA @4x 1600x1200 res
Getting 80-90 in cockpit and 250 looking up.
It gets pulled down to aroud 45 when im close to buildings shooting the guns.
Just love the card ATI has me again.
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WOW! GREAT FPS LOOKING AT NOTHING!
THAT IS AWESOME!
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Take a screenshot at a field vulchingin progress, or a CV battle...but blue sky? Pfft....just silly.
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Don't pay attention to them mrblack, that IS the BEST antialiased blue sky I have seen in my WHOLE LIFE.
AWESOME
Daniel
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But theres nothing for the anti-aliasign to work on... why bother mentioning it when looking empty sky?
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What a bunch of jealous turds....the guys happy with something he bought and you guys pile on...nice work.
You malcontents still fly or just hover here on the BBS?
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huh.. wha?!?
you're interrupting my surfing..er.. hovering
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Originally posted by Rude
You malcontents still fly or just hover here on the BBS?
I think folks would show more restraint if MrBlack didn't take every possible opportunity to talk about his super-duper liquid hydrogen-cooled 5 Teraherz computer with all the bells and whistles attached.
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like i said im the other post turn on the Vsync........
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Originally posted by boxboy28
like i said im the other post turn on the Vsync........
It is on:aok
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Originally posted by mrblack
It is on:aok
You're just kidding right? You know there are no monitors with that high of a refresh rate. BTW, I can get over 800 fps on my 9700 Pro, Radeon's do rock. :aok
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No dout about it, I'm jelous, I was pretty happy with my TI4200 until now. BTW Id love to see how it does on N-Bench-V2.
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Originally posted by AKIron
You're just kidding right? You know there are no monitors with that high of a refresh rate. BTW, I can get over 800 fps on my 9700 Pro, Radeon's do rock. :aok
Well thats what the green text is telling me.
Now is that Real? I have no idea.
I have no reason to believe it is not.
Oh And This is on my back up computer I smoked motherboard and vid card on my monster puter OOPS:aok
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Originally posted by mrblack
Well thats what the green text is telling me.
Now is that Real? I have no idea.
I have no reason to believe it is not.
Oh And This is on my back up computer I smoked motherboard and vid card on my monster puter OOPS:aok
No doubt that is your frame rate, but your vsync is off, not on as you stated.
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Thats the typical result of extreme overclocking, now get yourself a XP3200+ and you want need to overclock. BTW numbers really dont mean very much, they're really just for show as seen here.
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Originally posted by zmeg
Thats the typical result of extreme overclocking, now get yourself a XP3200+ and you want need to overclock. BTW numbers really dont mean very much, they're really just for show as seen here.
Oh no my friend this is on my back up rig.
I got some condensation on my board and poof there she blows :rofl and it took my vid card with it.:(
So this is done on a IS7-g abit P4 2.4 no OC 512mg of mushkin pc3500 .
Just you'r normal system:aok
Besides i am not bragging I am simply saying take a look at the ATI cards thats all geez you guys are touchy:eek:
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Originally posted by mrblack
I got some condensation on my board and poof there she blows :rofl and it took my vid card with it.:(
Would that have come from the refrigeration?
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Originally posted by rpm371
Would that have come from the refrigeration?
Yeah I did not seal right and air got in the space between the back plat and MB.
therefore condinsation and POP!.
That is the risk of running that system.
But it was my fault not the machines.
I failed to seal it right.
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Oh and Zmeg you'r frameshot looks nice but there is osme jagged edges.
this is telling me that you are running a much lower res or you have FAA off.
You can clearly see between the two screenshoots wich one looks better ;)
Not trying to Dis you Just think about the ATI 9800 pro.
The thing has sold me on ATI for the fore seable future.
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Like I said numbers dont mean a thing LOL
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FPS is silly any way as the human eye cannot dissern anything after 26FPS.
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Originally posted by mrblack
FPS is silly any way as the human eye cannot dissern anything after 26FPS.
*sigh*
WRONG.
And I wont elaborate because I'm tired of correcting this misconception maybe 40 times a year on different forums.
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*sigh*
I'm such a sucker for always trying to cure people's ignorance. Here it goes, copy-pasted from many other places:
The human eye can actually see *way* past 200fps (it has been military tested). It is a common misconception that it is much lower because of film only being 25fps.
Film has motion blur, games (normally!) do not. 120fps can 'feel' better than 60 despite people telling you otherwise. The issue with how many fps the eye can percive is complex and really I think the other answer is more what you are asking.
when you reach 10/15 fps in a fast paced game it becomings very difficult to do anything because of the video lag you get. It is incredibly frustrating and not desirable at all. If you can get 200fps in an empty room, you've got a good chance of getting a decent fps in a room full of people, rockets, gibs, etc etc.
It's important when talking about FPS to realize that your maximum frame rate is not really very important! Far more important is your minimum frame rate! When we say we want more FPS, what we really mean is we want more FPS at the bottom of the range. It's no good to have a system which draws D3 at 100 FPS when you are cruising around, but when you get into heavy combat, it plunges to 15 FPS.
The human eye can easily detect the flicker of a 60Hz refresh rate, and any time your video card produces less than 60 FPS if becomes obviously jerky. At rates above 60 FPS the situation changes: if your PC is delivering 60 FPS or more then your eye is fully fooled into believing non-flickering motion. Many people believe that frame rates above 60 per second are a waste of time and money as the eye can't detect all those extra frames. However, when frame rates climb into the triple digits the human eye can detect differences in quality, not quantity. Ultimately, only you can decide how many FPS is enough...
Frames Per Second are important because each "frame" that is drawn on your screen is a rock solid, stand-alone image - fully detailed, with no "motion blur". You can confirm this by taking a screen shot (with the PRINT SCREEN key) when things on the screen are going fast. Television can survive on 30 fps because each image on a TV screen is blurry. Hit PAUSE on your VCR when things are moving fast to confirm this for yourself.
Some new video cards have introduced Motion Blur (or their version of it) which is meant to address the high fps requirements of games. Purists scoff and say it's a poor substitute for producing enough "un-blurry" images to fool the eye into believing continuous high definition movement.
Conclusion:
YES, the human eye can tell up to 100 fps average. I can easily distinguish between 30 and 60. In fact, I find 30 barely tolerable.
60 is the sweet spot. Forget about how high your PC can go - just make sure it NEVER goes below 60 and you will then have bragging rights...
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Well I guess my eye Doctor is wrong then.
Maybe I should fly to puerto rico and see DR animal next time i need glasses. LOL;)
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Read my post above, I edited it, and yes, your doctor is wrong if he told you that.
Though you are a little FPS obsessed if you go to your doctor with that kind of question...
If you dont believe me, lower your monitors Hz to 60, and lets see how long you can browse and work on word.
Go read this:
http://www.avault.com/articles/getarticle.asp?name=fpsconspiracy
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Originally posted by mrblack
Well I guess my eye Doctor is wrong then.
Maybe I should fly to puerto rico and see DR animal next time i need glasses. LOL;)
Motion blur, *******. 26 fps is fine for movies because of motion blur, try it. wave your hand in front of your face and see if you can see anything other than a blur, this is because your brain is unable to take in every single bit of information seen so it blurs what it cannot take in. Computers act as described.
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I think MrBlack needs to find a way to install on of these http://www.fleshlight.com/main in an empty bay on his computer. Lord knows he is so obsessed with his UBER L33t Haxor machine that given a way he would probably have sex with it. "Yeah baby thats it Daddy loves it when you give me a gizzilion FPS.......dont stop dont stop"
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Actually you are all wrong.
First of all the eye doesn't perceive motion the brain does.
Second of all the brain begins to perceive motion at around 20fps.
The average brain cannot descern anything above around 100fps. Its quite possible depending on image size some people may be able to descern higher frame rates.
Around 75fps is the magic point for losing 'flickering'.
Finally, "eye doctors" know stuff all about this as it falls into neurology.
How do I know this stuff? Well I suffer from a neurological eye 'disorder', non-binocular vision so its always been of great interest too me.
Oh, and mrblack what are you sure your monitor handles decernible 1600x1200 with FSAA? Check your dot pitch and you'll probably find you are throwing away GPU cycles on FSAA you cannot see (except in framegrabs displayed in lower resolution).
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Quote anything on my posts or the article I linked. I'd like to understand how I was wrong.
And I can clearly see jaggies at 1600x1200. Of course, they are not as visible as in lower resolutions, but they are there. Maybe you dont have a big enough monitor.
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Animal: First of all the eye doesn't perceive motion the brain does.
I have a 21" monitor. Whats the size and dot pitch on your monitor?