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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: muckmaw on November 10, 2003, 10:05:57 AM
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"It is quite clear to me that al Qaeda wants to take down the royal family and the government of Saudi Arabia," U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage told Al Arabiya television, excerpts of which were broadcast on Monday."
Consider this....
The US sets off a Terrorist style Car bomb to garner Saudi Support to help round up terrorists in their country.
Hmmmmmm....
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Originally posted by muckmaw
"It is quite clear to me that al Qaeda wants to take down the royal family and the government of Saudi Arabia," U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage told Al Arabiya television, excerpts of which were broadcast on Monday."
Consider this....
The US sets off a Terrorist style Car bomb to garner Saudi Support to help round up terrorists in their country.
Hmmmmmm....
Dont play too much with this theory.
It's exactly what happened in my country during late '70, initial '80s
Can you imagine?
Your own secret services that set up bombs killing innocents citizens of your own country, to gain support for the fight against your own terrorists.
But this is not the case, I think.
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Well, in this scenario, I could see a bomb going off during the Hage, killing hundreds or arabs, and the US pointing the finger at Al Quaida.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Well, in this scenario, I could see a bomb going off during the Hage, killing hundreds or arabs, and the US pointing the finger at Al Quaida.
If the Hage is the ceremonial tour around the black rock...
No, it will be too unbelieveble.
Any religious target will be suspect.
Maybe more effective is a bomb in a partially-westernized place, near a mcDonalds or something like it, possibly with a lot children.
Lot of innocents die, the objective can be plausibile for Al Queida, gaining some support from the moderates.
P.S.
(The above statements seem cynical at best if not horrible, but is the way CIA, KGB, SISMI, SISDE people work and think, and generally the people high up in the various armies HQs).
P.P.S.
quick quiz: What SISMI and SISDE are? ;)
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Originally posted by Naso
P.P.S.
quick quiz: What SISMI and SISDE are? ;)
Is that the cable connecting the hard drive to the motherboard?
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muckmaw
risk huge
reward minimal
Even bush couldnt be talked into that one.
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Originally posted by Naso
P.P.S.
quick quiz: What SISMI and SISDE are? ;)
SISMi is an Italian counter-espionage agency and reports to the Minister of Defence. While performing intelligence gathering activites for the Italian Military.
SISDE if I am not mistaken is similar to the CIA in its role and capabilities.
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Exact Reschke, you win the book "how we saved Italy by killing some Hundred citizen." ;)
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Too bad AQ already claimed it-and ya'll had such a GOOD consiracy going, too.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
[BThe US sets off a Terrorist style Car bomb to garner Saudi Support to help round up terrorists in their country.
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You're not the only one who suspects this... there's other watermelon going on that people won't believe..... have gone on... such as
the CIA involvement with IranContra, Pinochet, the Shar of Iran, Air America in Laos, Pepes and their assaisinations of Pablo Escobar's henchmen
FOUR FIRMS LISTED BY DEA AS MAJOR SMUGGLING OPERATIONS WERE ON CIA's LIST OF APPROVED VENDORS AND EACH RECEIVED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN STATE DEPARTMENT SUBSIDIES WHILE THEY WERE DEALING DRUGS: DIACSA - SETCO - VORTEX - FRIGORIFICOS DE PUNTARENAS.
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Originally posted by Gadfly
Too bad AQ already claimed it-and ya'll had such a GOOD consiracy going, too.
Hey Gadly...
Who's the recognized official spokes person for AQ?
When the US Government speaks... it might be through a US Embassador..
When Iraq Government spoke during the war... it was through the Iraqi Information Minister...
If I call up the New York Times and say... "Hey, I'm with AQ... we just set the bomb off in Saudi Arabia".....
Does that mean AQ did it?
Even if this information were delivered 10 minutes before the bomb goes off.... does that mean AQ did it?
It would mean who ever called did it... but how can you be sure of their identity?
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Well, Nexus, usually a claim is recognized if contains elements that can be known only by the people responsible of the act.
If will be sufficient a phone call, every terror act will have thousand of possible authors, including the "Group For Dignity Protection Of The Plastig Bags Used To Carry Empty Cans To Recycle", a mighty terrorist organization, the
GFDPOTPBUTCECTR !!! :eek:
;)
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Originally posted by Naso
Well, Nexus, usually a claim is recognized if contains elements that can be known only by the people responsible of the act.
That's true...
However... it's also possible that the people who planted the bomb... may not be AQ.... even though they say they are.
And what purpose... would that serve?
If all of a sudden bombs start going off in France, Germany and Russia... and the ones taking credit for it are AQ... does that mean it's AQ... or could it be CIA.. and the purpose is to persaude those countries to support the US efforts against terrorism.
That's not an absurb hypothesis.... especially with this Administration.
After all the Allies during WWII knew when Germany was going to bomb several densely puplated cities... and they did not evacuate or warn the citizens of these cities.. becaue if they did they would have tipped off to the Germans that the Allies had borken the enigma code. 10's of thousands died to save that secret....
Deception is very much a tactic in warfare.
What's a few 100 innocent people dead in order to win the war against extremist terrorists?
The Saudis have been sort of "neutral" in this war... wouldn't even allow us to stage from their country...
How do we make them our ally and more active in our efforts?
Easy... have the enemy attack them... (or perhaps the CIA mascarading as the enemy)
This war is escalading.... has any one noticed that?
AQ.. is not just attacking Americans... but everyone... why would AQ do that?
Why would AQ attack Arabs?
Especially in Mecca!
Doesn't make sense.... perhaps... it's not them.
Also consider this... OSL and Saddam better serve this administration as "living" specters than dead enemies...
It's odd that non of Saddams 20-some doubles have come up dead... or captured.... or any comment on their whereabouts.
The hunt for Hitler went on for decades...and the specter of his return and subversive activies always feared.
This is all speculation...
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Why would AQ attack Arabs?
Especially in Mecca!
Doesn't make sense.... unless... it's not them.
Has AlQaeda attacked anyone in Mecca? No... Have there been attaks there? No...
You are speaking as if your paranoid delusions are fact...
BTW why not just be honst and say what yiu really wanna say - that 911 was done by the CIA....
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It's a dirty jungle out there, uh?
:)
Your reasoning is acceptable, and we can only thougth about hypotesis, since nobody in this BBS hold the truth.
Anyway could be a good start to leave behind personal political agendas and "one-voice" propaganda, but is so difficult in theese times.
I am surprised that nobody jumped here with the usual personal attacks, and/or nationalistics positions (We are Good the others Evil).
:)
Maybe it is time-zone related. :D ;)
[EDIT] Grhunertz jumped in while I was typing ;) , LOL [/EDIT]
P.S.
IMHO, the possibility that the bomb in Ryad is West-originated have very low probability to be true... IMHO.
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Yeaaaa calling BS on ridiculus lies is evil nationalism and makes me a bad guy...
Weeeee! :)
Do you want me to test your tolerance Naso? It would be very easy to do today in particular... I hope you understand how I could be very sensitive to nexus rambling delusinal accusations. :(
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Grunh, cool!!!!
Was tongue in cheek :)
We are just "Talking for talk", no intentions to harm people or feelings.
It's always a good exercise to leave the "official news" aside, and have some idea by yourself, thinking always what "they" (whoever "they" are ;) ) told you to think cut be harmfull for your brain. ;)
And speaking about tolerance, I use to think to have a good amount of it, never enough, but...
'Bout what happened down "there", well, there is so much to say...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
rambling delusinal accusations. :(
You' the one who is delusional :lol
Hypothetical discussion and I clearly said this in my post. :aok
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I'd like to stop these crazy theories right now. It wasn't Al Quada or the US who set off that car bomb. It was me. Filthy Saudis.
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OK, SOB, now....
put the hands away from the detonator of that explosive you stripped on your body....
And tell us the complete truth:
You was hired by a group of white-haired Buddhist Norwegian grandmothers working for Mossad.
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Some people have obviously been watching too much TV and too many movies.
dago
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Naso. Cooling down now :)
Nexus:
If it's all merely "hypthetical" then why the qualifier..
That's not an absurb hypothesis.... especially with this Administration.
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Originally posted by Naso
You was hired by a group of white-haired Buddhist Norwegian grandmothers working for Mossad.
So Margaret Thacher was Norvegian and worked for the Mossad ?
hmmm ... :confused:
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Originally posted by Dago
Some people have obviously been watching too much TV and too many movies.
dago
Eh, Mr. Dago. :)
The little piece of Italian history included in my first post is REAL!!!
Incredible but true.
And about movies, just one think.
9/11 has been something that none of the worse Hollywood nitghmere writers can have imagined.
But, sadly, it happened.
Reality always supercede fantasy, believe me.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
[BIf it's all merely "hypthetical" then why the qualifier.. [/B]
Because neo-cons like you are so easilly trolled! :lol
PHISH! Hook... line... and sinker... :rofl
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It must have been a real bombing - the US or Saudis would have hard time finding suicide agents willing to die just to frame Al-Qaeda.
Unless of course the agents were only planning to drive in and shoot the guards and the explosion of their car was a great surprise for them.
On the other hand it is easy to believe that the bombing of that particular compound was a targeting error and they really aimed at some westerner's compound.
Let the one who has never mistakenly bombed a chinese embassy throw the first stone...
< edited canadians out >
miko
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Originally posted by miko2d
Let the one who has never mistakenly bombed a chinese embassy or canadian grunts throw the first stone...
miko
ROTFL....MAO (Tze-tung).
:)
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I probably should not have mentioned the canadian grunts. :(
I did not seek to elicit laught about that but should have foreseen it may. Somehow I find it inapropriate - though laughing about the bombing of chinese embassy does not make me uncomfortable.
I must have a pretty twisted mind for it to work like that.
miko