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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Zanth on November 10, 2003, 10:18:29 AM
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I wonder why the La5 doesn't get flown more?
La7 6603 5.52% of kills (#4) / 5905 4.93% of Deaths (#3)
La5 1177 0.98% of Kills (#22) / 802 0.67% of Deaths (#22)
(http://www.innomi.com/ahkillstats/totalstats.php ranks counting only fighters this tour so far)
I was trying out La7 got bored and decided I wanted to try and make some perks in a new plane. So I figured I would try the La5 and I have not gotten out of it much since.
o Same Std Weapons Load 2 Shvaks (sp?) 200 rpg
o Better Handling (especially slow)
o Very fast (Soda's write-up (http://www.telusplanet.net/~dsoder/La5FN.htm) says 5 mph slower than La7)
o ENY 40
This is another one of those planes like 205 you don't see so much but is a really great performing aircraft. I think it might be one of the best all around planes in game, certainly I would say of the ENY 40 group.
Consider giving it a try, it is a lot of fun to fly. Variety is good and you will make a whole heck of a lot more perks in it than a La7.
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It's a bit one dimensional, just a low-alt crotch-rocket. The La-7 is a better ride for people looking for that kind of plane.
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Originally posted by whels
MIL:
TEMPEST 372
LA-7 358
F4U-4 358
TYPHOON 355
YAK9-U 355
P-51D 354
F4U-1 350
P-51B 347
190D-9 346
F4U-1D 343
F4U-1C 342
109G-10 337
LA-5 336
P-38L 333
P-47D-11 333
SPIT-14 332
TA-152 332
P-47D-25 329
P-47D-30 329
190A-8 327
YAK9-T 327
190F-8 326
190A-5 326
MOSQ 325
C205 321
109G-2 320
F6F-5 320
109G-6 317
N1K2 313
109F-4 310
SPIT IX 310
C202 307
KI-61 305
110-G2 305
SEAFIRE 293
SPIT V 293
110-4b 290
FM2 290
A6M5 288
F4F 278
P40B 275
A6M2 275
P40E 276
HURR IIC 262
HURR IID 253
HURR I 253
WEP:
TEMPEST 386
LA-7 380
F4U-4 378
190D-9 375
TYPHOON 370
P-51D 367
109G-10 366
TA-152 361
SPIT-14 358
F4U-1 358
P-51B 358
F4U-1D 357
F4U-1C 356
LA-5 356
YAK9-U 355
190A-8 349
190F-8 349
P-38L 344
P-47D-11 344
P-47D-25 340
P-47D-30 340
109G-2 340
190A-5 339
MOSQ 338
YAK9-T 336
109G-6 336
109F-4 332
C205 331
F6F-5 330
N1K2 324
SPIT IX 319
110-G2 316
C202 315
KI-61 313
SEAFIRE 302
SPIT V 302
110-4B 300
FM2 297
P40E 297
109E-4 292
SPIT I 291
A6M5 288
F4F 275 no wep
A6M2 275 NO WEP
P40B 275
HURR IIC 273
HURR IID 265
HURR I 261
whels
It aint that fast. Above 8k its performance drops of quite abit. Still its a fun little ride.
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Originally posted by ra
It's a bit one dimensional, just a low-alt crotch-rocket. The La-7 is a better ride for people looking for that kind of plane.
Im wondering why you would say that.
The -7 has only two advantages.
-Slightly faster
-3x20mm option
The speed issue is a non factor for me because I dont make it habbit to run. Also, if I do need to disengauge the -5 is still plenty fast enough to get outa dodge.
The extra 20mm is a considerable advantage. However I feel that it is negated by the -5s far superior low speed handling. I smile everytime im in a -5 and I come across a -7.
The 2 issues that bother me about the -5 is no DT and poor ballistics from the cannons.
It is without a doubt an absolute monster below 10k
In almost any aircraft I fly I would much rather fight a -7 over a -5
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Originally posted by Furious
It aint that fast. Above 8k its performance drops of quite abit. Still its a fun little ride.
Found this at netsces.......
Power is not really a problem with the La5FN, it is so small and light at 7,400lbs that the 1,800+ hp it has is more than enough. Top speed at sea-level is 336mph, 356mph with WEP, a solid statement of speed and more than enough to out-distance itself from the better turners in the game. The engine really sings though at around 9K where it can make 379mph while cruising. Engine power drops above 9K though and never really improves, making it a low altitude fighter. Most fights in AH are low, or tend to end up low quickly anyway. Climb rate is also impressive, up to 4,500ft/minute at 4K, though again over about 7K this starts to deteriorate rapidly. At best altitude, around 9K, the La5FN is only 5 mph slower than it's very popular brother the La7. Acceleration is incredible, beat only by the La7 and 109G10 at sea level (excluding perk planes). Fuel duration is somewhat poor, only 28 minutes with no option for drop tanks. Range is not bad though as the high low level cruise speeds can really get you a long distance. Also, WEP time is very long, over 9 minutes, so running around with WEP use is not really an issue as you will almost never run out.
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Originally posted by ra
It's a bit one dimensional, just a low-alt crotch-rocket. The La-7 is a better ride for people looking for that kind of plane.
Not flown either very much - but this is a more apt description of the La7, the La5 has low speed capabilities that surprise many without sacrificing much high end performance. In my mind the La5 is a superiour plane to the La7 because it is more balanced - but oddly it is the La7 that commonly gets the "dweeb" tag. If more people flew it this would change rapidly though:
This tour so far:
The La-5FN has 68 kills and has been killed 65 times against the La-7.
Last Tour:
The La-5FN has 446 kills and has been killed 310 times against the La-7.
The La-5FN has 99 kills and has been killed 70 times against the P-51D.
The La-7 has 676 kills and has been killed 528 times against the P-51D.
The La-5FN has 16 kills and has been killed 5 times against the P-51B.
The La-7 has 63 kills and has been killed 64 times against the P-51B.
The La-5FN has 87 kills and has been killed 72 times against the N1K2.
The La-7 has 362 kills and has been killed 404 times against the N1K2.
The La-5FN has 98 kills and has been killed 85 times against the Spitfire Mk IX.
The La-7 has 411 kills and has been killed 482 times against the Spitfire Mk IX.
forgot to add (and this is the best part):
La5 ENY of 40
La7 ENY of 15
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Originally posted by Furious
It aint that fast. Above 8k its performance drops of quite abit. Still its a fun little ride.
I misquoted/misrecalled Soda's words:
"At best altitude, around 9K, the La5FN is only 5 mph slower than it's very popular brother the La7"
http://www.telusplanet.net/~dsoder/La5FN.htm
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Preaching to the choir here, I am afraid. My favorite kill in an La5 is another La5.
Its does well at alt as well, just takes awhile to get up to speed.
I try to stick to planes with a "5" in them. I cheat with the F4u-1a, F4u-1d and F4u-1c cause the 4+1=5. But the most fun the past few tours has been in an La5.
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I've had many tours that were mostly la5, c-205 and 190-a5. All three are great rides.
I suspect the c-205 is the most underrated ride in AH.
curly
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Been using it for sometime now to drop the proverbial Baby Ruth bar in the pool for incoming NOE raids. It can be a real beast in that role.
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Flown the La-5 quite a bit a few months ago. I think it is probably the best knife fighter in the game... bar none. Only real problem is those awful cannon.
It has speed, maneuverability, acceleration, can climb, dive, doesn't compress too quickly, decent views (save for the canopy rails but an experienced pilot can look around them) and can take a few hits. If it would have 6 or even 4 0.50's and could carry a DT I would probably fly little else. But then there's always the P-51B :D
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Yip, more lifetime kills in the La5 than any other plane. Haven't flown it in a while. Great ride.
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I don't know about the rest of you guys but I enjoy killing the La-5 just as much as the La-7. One good thing though when encountering a La-5 as opposed to a La-7 is that I don't have to chase the La-5 as far before I shoot it down.
ack-ack
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nothin overshoots like an la7...putting those guys in la5s will lessen the fun :)
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La-5 is a great perk producer. Because it's not seen that often, many pilots assume that's because it is inferior, so they underestimate it and die.
The "Lavochka" is quite fast and manuverable, with a nasty sting and good ammo load. Only drawbacks are so-so high altitude performance and short range.
Another good thing about the La-5: no one will call you a dweeb for flying one.
One more thing: the bottle of vodka under the seat is empty. It's there for you to pee in.
MRPLUTO
Commander in Chief
The Knight Militia
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Originally posted by Zanth
I wonder why the La5 doesn't get flown more?
Because I suck in it, just like I suck in the LA-7. Can't hit a thing with those guns. Yet people have no trouble hitting me with them.
Why fly the LA-5 when the LA-7 is sitting right there with more speed and more firepower?
Yak9U is better for producing perks anyway. I can get more kills per flight in a Yak than I can the LA-5.
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Originally posted by AKcurly
I've had many tours that were mostly la5, c-205 and 190-a5. All three are great rides.
I suspect the c-205 is the most underrated ride in AH.
curly
Amen, Curly. The La5fn and the C205 are my two staples rides. Very deadly platforms, and very underrated. Just the way I like them. :)
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Originally posted by gofaster
Because I suck in it, just like I suck in the LA-7. Can't hit a thing with those guns. Yet people have no trouble hitting me with them.
Why fly the LA-5 when the LA-7 is sitting right there with more speed and more firepower?
Yak9U is better for producing perks anyway. I can get more kills per flight in a Yak than I can the LA-5.
Set your convergence to 400 and then dont shoot at anything that is over that. Takes a bit longer to get this close but this plane is a lot more maneuverable than the la7. It is a great plane to make a lot of perks.
Stay fast and you will not be shot down as often in this plane.
Acetnt
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Why fly the LA-5 when the LA-7 is sitting right there with more speed and more firepower? I was flying the la7 (what little I did) with the standard weapons load and that is the same exact guns as the La5 - and the la5 has an eny of 40.
Granted cannons are a challeneg to shoot right, and these russian guns have to be the most god awful of all cannons to aim. Still when I am patient with the trigger it is hard to average 8-10 perks every single sortie in La5 - a bit less if I get shot down. I was never coming close to that in La7.
I am enjoying the little plane but I will get bored with it soon enough. I am surprised so far with two results:
o My gunnery percentage thought still awful is climbing (even with strafing buildings in fighter mode)
o I am landing bomber kills when I was sure it would suck at this. You have to get in close with those guns but you attack so fast (and the plane so small?) it is hard for them to hit you. When you do get damage, it is seldom life threathening. If it is a wing tip you can still even use autopilot. If it is an engine you can glide forever.
Been a fun experiment so far, Ill have to try that yak later too
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Originally posted by Zanth
Been a fun experiment so far, Ill have to try that yak later too
Once you've used the Yak in a dogfight, you'll not use the LA-5 for anything other than bomber intercepts. The Yak 0wn5 Mustangs, P-47s, P-38s, Typhoons (if you can catch them), Hellcats, Corsairs, and all of the German planes (except for the D9 if it chooses to run). You can also get the Spitfire IX if the pilot makes a mistake and loses sight of you for more than a second. Don't fire the Yak's cannon unless you're inside d300. The two cowl machine guns have a longer reach, about out to d1.0 much like the American .50 cals, and can knock off a rudder or elevator by themselves but won't knock off a wing. You'll need the cannon for the major damage.
The Yak-9U has no WEP, but it really doesn't need it. It can also take a fair amount of damage, but if the radiator is holed you've got big trouble and can expect the motor to conk out completely in less than a minute. It has a small fuel tank so don't launch with less than 25% unless the enemy is already over your airfield. The Yak is fast but won't accellerate as well as an American plane in a dive. If the American plane tries to dive away, preserve your altitude and wait for him to come back up to you.
Don't bother trying to shoot a B-17 or other heavy bomber with a Yak. You might get one of the planes in the formation by loitering off a port or starboard beam and chewing off a wing, but then you'll be pretty low on ammo afterwards.
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Zanth, I don't know if you flew the La5Fn in AirWarrior but it flies very much the same in here and fits into it's "place" in the plane set in a similar way. Great base defense plane, and as you said - a wonderful way to pile up the perks. I think you will like the Yak9U also as it is a very similar plane. It gives up some acceleration but makes up for it with a superior view in all directions and is only slightly slower than a Pee-51 at 17K. It is, like the La5Fn, very nimble for how fast it is and only gets a little sluggish at the very high speeds usually reached in a sustained dive. Due to the Yak9's better views and higher speeds and performance over a wider range of altitudes, I prefer it over the La5Fn by a slight margin.
Also, at first glance the single cannon with poor ballistics and 2 machine guns combined with the short clip might scare off the sprayers, but keep this in mind - when you fly the Yak just make sure you get to 400 or under before you squeeze the trigger. This combined with the guns being in the nose and hence no conversion issues make for a very hard hitting plane and you will be surprised at how long your ammo will last most flights. Believe me, it will surprise you how powerful that package is...almost Juglike. Don't worry, you will find yourself closely camped on the six of most all the speed demon planes in the arena due to the surprising speed of the Yak and will have the maneuverability to stay there for quite a few quick kills. Unlike in AirWarrior, the AH Yak is a late war variant and a much better plane.
And don't even get me started on the A20 Havoc in fighter mode reminds me of the A26 in AirWarrior.
Magoo
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Well Nomak, if you smile everytime you come across a -7, you should be smiling alot :D