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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Shuckins on November 10, 2003, 06:43:59 PM
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I occasionally watch the cartoon channel, although I don't know why, because most of the stuff on it is really putrid. After having watched an episode or two of Dagonball Z and Yu-GI-Oh, I have come to the conclusion that Japanese anime is the worst form of entertainment ever created. The plots are infantile, the dialogue sounds as if it were written by a ten year old, and the movement of the characters (apparently based on two different frames per second) hardly qualifies as animation.
What is your opinion? Am I being too harsh?
Regards, Shuckins
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You are dead on!
Remember when cartoons were really like art? Tom And Jerry, Roadrunner, Johnny Quest, Most of the Warner Bros cartoons.
That stuff on TV now is so cheap looking.
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That is like saying that live action movies are awful because you saw Gigli and Matrix 3.
Come back when you see Grave of the Fireflies, Ghost in the Shell, Cowboy Bebop, etc.
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I dare you to watch Grave of the Fireflies and not even end up with watered eyes.
If you are interested - it is the story of an orphaned boy and his 3 year old sister surviving in Japan during the WWII firestorm bombings. And it is a very accurate depiction, much more harsh and cruel than has ever been portrayed on live action film.
Ghost in the Shell is the most breathtaking cyberpunk/sci-fi piece of cinema ever put on film, period. It has been praised and imiatated by almost every live action sci fi director in Hollywood. UCLA, Columbia and Yale are known to present this film every semester to their philosphy students. Thats how deep it is.
Cowboy Bebop is a film noir 25 episode series of bounty hunters with the most kickass jazz music score you can imagine, and a plot that is only surpassed by Band of Brothers in my opinion.
None of these animes are the run of the mill CRAP like DBZ, Yugiyoh, and other studmuffinottry that is subjected to kids by Fox. In fact, I wouldnt recomend any kid watch the movies I mentioned. They are NOT cartoons.
Some would also recomend Akira, and consider it the best anime ever made, but I disagree and I think its stupid.
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Dragonball and Yu-hi-oh are not representative of Anime. They are childrens shows.
In the US, animated fare is automatically assumed to be 'Children stuff'. In Japan, animation is simply another medium for stories to be told.
Don't watch the stuff they show at peak kid times, watch the stuff that's on later at adult times. Like a previous posters said, check out Cowboy Be-Bop, it's got great style and music to boot. Still think anime is for kids? Rent Urotsukidoji. When you push your eyes back into your sockets, you'll never think of anime quite the same way again. ...not to mention anything with tentacles.
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Also available in adult anime form are two films about a Luftwaffe TA 152 pilot and a Japanese Kamikaze Rocket pilot (whatever the thing was called) somewhere. I forgot the name of the films.
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It ain't as bad as some of the old US cartoons... Super Friends, Centurions etc...
Form of a Toilet Bowl!
Form of a vomit stream!
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Vulcan,
I know what you mean...Super Friends stank. This season's Justice League is showing some promise.
Shuckins
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Vulcan,
I know what you mean...Super Friends stank. This season's Justice League is showing some promise.
Shuckins
LOL, you think "justice league" is good, yet you claim anime is crap.
Really, do yourself a favor try to find the first few episodes of Bebop.
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You really have to watch Akira before you can really have an informed opinion on anime...
And then you just have to watch anything by Hayao Miyazaki.
Miyazaki kicks Walt Disney's bellybutton everytime. Disney knows it, too. ;)
Here's a few of his Studio Ghibli films:
Kiki's Delivery Service
Laputa Castle in the Sky
My Neighbour Totoro
Nausicaa Valley of the Wind
Porco Rosso (lovely aerial combat scenes)
Pom Poko
Princess Mononoke
Spirited Away (beat Titanic at the box office in Japan)
Tombstones for Fireflies
All outstanding
Also worth seeing his directorial debut, "Lupin III The Castle of Cagliostro"
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Regular it was called "The Cockpit" I liked the first 2 stories the last one was kind of a let down. Overall is a really kick arse movie.
There are plenty more Japanese anime for Mecha action Try Evangelion , for some more perverted twisted anime try Agent Aika, Chobits ,and love Hina,Bastard!! is good too.
I second Animal's opinion, just because you watch ****ty anime doesn't mean that anime overall is idiotic,sometimes it hurts to try to understand it but some are easy to follow and very interesting in plot lines.
Do try to rent or Download Macross Zero episodes one and 2 and 3 if available. Your jaw will drop when you see the aerial combat scenes .
BTW They will rule the world :D :eek: :aok
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prestame Cockpit, maldita sea...
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the old robotech (macross ) from the 80's was some great anime as in cartoons went ..
(http://www.chaoscitycomics.com/images/robotech.jpg)
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(http://208.56.219.94/spaceghost.jpg)
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So this is the thread where all of them otakus come out of the closet, eh. I'll venture to recommend the following titles: Jin-Roh (The Wolf Brigade), Hoshi no Koe, FLCL. Available on DVD or at your local p2p medium.
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Make sure to watch "Legend of the Overnoodle" as well, did I say "Overnoodle"? I ment "Overfiend".
Anime is a varied art form, just like any other, this is your chit, and your good stuff.
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mmm tentacles................:aok
Robotech was also cool
Hamtaro is good
lots of good anime
pokemon sucks, plus it gives niktards epilepsy
My buddy in America loves dragonball z. for what reason I can't fathom.
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Yeah.
(http://www.anime-site.com/gallery60/pic/6.jpg)
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Bring back starblazers!!
http://www.starblazers.com/
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Oh yeah, starblazers was cool when i was a kid
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Cowboy Bebop is definitely cool. Great music as well. I haven't seen The Cockpit but it sounds promising.
Now ya want to talk about bad animation, anyone remember...
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Animal is spot on.
'Grave of the fireflies' is as good as any film (anime or not) gets.
Also agree with Animal that although the production of Akira was sensational the story was utter pants.
Ravs.
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If you're going to watch Cartoon Network, you gotta check out "Samurai Jack" and "Recess".
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Glasses, you have a copy of Memories by any chance?
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Animal hit it on the head, anime is awesome you just have to watch the right stuff.
BeBop rocks
Akira
Samurai Jack
Big-O is pretty good though you have to watch from the beginning.
Watch the good stuff, I too liked old bugs and tom and jerry, transformers even.
I do agree that DBZ is utter crap though, but so was thundercats, old justice league, space ghost, any new WB stuff, go-bots, silver hawks etc.
There is good and bad in all types of entertainment.
Grave of the Fireflies will have to watch that.
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FLCL, Akira & Ninja Scroll are all bad asssss.
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Of course the new ghost in the shell series is better then the movie( new movie in 2004 btw). Macross zero is fairly good as well.
I really havnt seen any good animation and story lines come out of the states. The good plots tend to be live action in our culture which leaves the dregs for animation.
Oh yea go watch jin-roh its badass.
Dragon ball z was made in the 80s for 12 year olds
and yugioh was made to sell trading cards.
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I used to watch Lupin when I was a kid just because of all those big breasted women in there!
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Neon Genesis Evangelion is my all-time favourite, but it's a real mind-f**k
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Memories,no whats that moot?
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Originally posted by Shuckins
I occasionally watch the cartoon channel, although I don't know why, because most of the stuff on it is really putrid. After having watched an episode or two of Dagonball Z and Yu-GI-Oh, I have come to the conclusion that Japanese anime is the worst form of entertainment ever created. The plots are infantile, the dialogue sounds as if it were written by a ten year old, and the movement of the characters (apparently based on two different frames per second) hardly qualifies as animation.
What is your opinion? Am I being too harsh?
Regards, Shuckins
Ok, Check out some shows like Hellsing, Ruroni Kenshin OAV's (Which is Historicaly Accurate), Grave of the Fireflies (Which is Historicaly Accurate aswell), Princess Mononoke which deals with Japanese Legend, Kimagure Orange Road, Jin-Roh, Wolf's Rain, and various others
You are Juding it off the mainstream Anime which gets to America and is usually hashed into what can be broadcast to the masses.
Anime is a wonderfull artform that I absolutely love and I will defend to the death.
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Encyclopedia Cinematica
Animation, Cartoon: a cinematic process where film cells are generated by processes other than photography of live performers. True cartoon animation includes the painting of a series of individual cells to give the appearance of motion through the concept of persistance of vision, and most importantly the voice characterizations of Mel Blanc. All other forms are a pale comparison to this true form, and must pay homage.
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Ha!! Starblazers... Been a very long time since I have seen the likes.. Used to get up and watch it as a kid.
Robotech totally kicked bellybutton when I was younger. Was one of the best anime I can remember from that time. I actually bought some of the episodes on DvD. Would buy more but they are so exspensive! hehe Anyone know a good link to DL more of the episodes?? Robotech was divided into 3 sagas wasn't it? I can remember 3 different story lines anyhow...
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AoM
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I never got into anime as an adult, but Japanese cartoons kicked the crap out of anything coming out of the US when I was a kid.
For me it started with Speed Racer and Battle of the Planets. Then, in 1978 my family moved to the Philippines and I encountered the world of "big bellybutton robot cartoons" Oh man, Mazinger Z, Voltus V... it was awesome. Then one day they all just dissapeared. I had heard that President Marcos pulled the plug on them, but I don't know. VHS tapes of those shows were like kiddie crack at that point.
Star Blazers was allowed to Air as a prime time type of show somtime around 1981 maybe. That was cool.
I have a couple of Star Blazer and Battle of the Planets episodes on Video tape, I still get a kick out of watching them.
-Sik
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Lol, I've just wasted hours looking at Super Robot cartoon websites....
When I was a kid in the Philippines, this was my favorite:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=2210
-Sik