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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Dago on November 12, 2003, 10:46:30 AM
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I just can't take it anymore, I gotta ask.
HOW IN THE HELL CAN ANYONE SUPPORT HILLARY CLINTON??????
Don't people pay any attention to her actions? Don't the supporters do any research? Do they think so many of the people who have known and dealt with her are all liars?
For Gods sakes, do your homework, read a book or two, and not just that classic fabrication of lies and ommissions she published.
This has got to be one of the most evil, diabolical, scheming, self-centered woman on the planet. Even Bill can't hold a candle to her for shenanigans, and he was/is a world class immoral jerk.
Now, line up all you good little liberals and tell me how wonderful she is. Tell me why she ran for Senate from New York when she didn't live there, seems to me she was from Arkansas. Tell me she didnt just look around for someone she thought she could beat and jumped into that state. Surely her motives weren't selfish. I am sure that all of a sudden New York just happened to be her oldbest bestest home state, and all of a sudden she gave a crap about it.
Gotta give her one thing though, she makes all the other politicians look good in comparison.
dago
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Dago wrote:
Don't people pay any attention to her actions? Don't the supporters do any research? Do they think so many of the people who have known and dealt with her are all liars?
Research?? Such as what? can you give examples of your such research?? What lies? What evidence is out there of her' lies?
Dago wrote:
For Gods sakes, do your homework, read a book or two, and not just that classic fabrication of lies and ommissions she published.
This has got to be one of the most evil, diabolical, scheming, self-centered woman on the planet. Even Bill can't hold a candle to her for shenanigans, and he was/is a world class immoral jerk.
Homework, read a book or two?? How is she so evil? What has she done? O, wait.. She killed all those people in arkansas... Wasn't it with a spoon too? She started with their eyes?? Lmao Dago, I would like to see 'your' research... What evidence have you to support your claims? Or do you just believe w/out any of the such??
I dont have to say how wonderful she is even if I thought so.. I didnt start a post stateing such.. But since you wrote one to the opposite, plz explain how and why you feel such hate for this women.. Is it because you have been told to feel such? Or do you feel such just because?? Please, enlightin me.. Tell of her atrocites...
k
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Show me some evidence of EVIL
Lots of hate for Hillary out there, most of it seems to be personal dislike as opposed to based on facts.
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Isn't Hillary from Illinois? Not that I disagree about the woman per se...
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Originally posted by kappa
O, wait.. She killed all those people in arkansas... Wasn't it with a spoon too? She started with their eyes??
Yep That's all true... and then she took all the babies and put them in blenders and made smoothies and forced their grandmas to drink it.
She sure is diabolical.... "it takes a village" was actually coded messages on how to build K-Bombs... kindergarden bombs. Yep pipe bombs wraped with a belt of nails, ballbearings, and hop-scotch-jacks... horrific when set off in a play ground full of toddlers.
She's also responsible for global warming.... on the side she works as a Las Vegas hooker in order to spread AIDEs to Republican politicians and pre-school boys.
She the head of Lamda Lamda Lamda, the notorious San Diego biker dike motocycle gang.
:aok
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Tell me why she ran for Senate from New York when she didn't live there, seems to me she was from Arkansas.
while I agree she shouldn't have ben eligable a good republican wouldn't/shouldn't bring this up. it will only bring up questions about chaney being from texas and only moving to 'game the game' and get around the law that made it illegal for 2 men from the same state to be running-mates on the presidential ticket.
while it was wrong, she technicly had a legal right to do it. much the same as the Bush/chaney scam.
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Senators from New York -
Moynihan, Daniel Patrick (b. 1927) - born in Tulsa, Tulsa County, Okla.
Kennedy, Robert Francis (1925-1968) - Born in Boston, Suffolk County, Mass.
Dulles, John Foster (1888-1959) - Born in Washington, D.C.
Seems to be a grand tradition in NY.
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Seems to be okay in California also. Our governor wasn't even born in the U.S.
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"This has got to be one of the most evil, diabolical, scheming, self-centered woman on the planet"
Aside from an ex-wife.
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Seemed an appropriate place to copy/paste :aok
From Capitol Hill Blue
CHB Investigates. . .
Sex, lies and Hillary Clinton's Presidential ambitions
By DOUG THOMPSON
While public polls show New York Senator Hillary Clinton the current front runner for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2004, the former First Lady is telling friends and advisors that her biggest obstacle to going back to the White House is not George W. Bush but her womanizing husband.
So concerned are Mrs. Clinton’s campaign strategists, they have conducted a number of polls and focus groups to test public reaction to a divorce.
Early indications are the freshman New York Senator would run stronger without her husband’s baggage.
“The bottom line is that she’s popular. He’s not,” says Democratic strategist Holly Clarkson. “She has more appeal to the voters and she doesn’t need him to win an election.”
Clearly, divorce is one of the decisions Clinton must make if she decides to run for President in 2004. Her husband’s womanizing continues and tabloids have linked him to a long string of new lovers, including actress Demi Moore.
“Clinton is more of a potatohound now than when he was in the Oval Office,” says a New York City police officer who has worked guard detail on the former President. “The guy must be taking Viagra with all the tail he’s getting.”
Even some of the city’s high-priced call girls have told New York vice cops they have been servicing the former President.
“Some of them are just bragging and blowing smoke,” one vice officer told Capitol Hill Blue, “but I’ve known some of these girls a long time and I believe one or two of them. From all the stories I’ve been hearing, it’s possible.”
Capitol Hill Blue has also learned that Clinton’s Secret Service team has a higher-than-normal turnover rate as agents asked to be transferred away from the former President, even if the transfer means a lower-profile post.
“The agents don’t respect him,” says one retired Secret Service agent. “Can you blame them?”
Sources within the Democratic Party say Clinton’s ever-increasing philandering is worrying top party brass who now view the ex-President as a liability for fundraising and other uses.
“It’s difficult to arrange to have the former President appear at a high-dollar event and then find out he hit on the wife of the event organizer,” says one DNC staffer. “He is out of control.”
The former President’s very public love life is not the only affairs of the heart that concern Democratic strategists who are planning Hillary’s 2004 run for the Presidency. The worry about continued rumors on the Senator’s after hours activities.
“Don’t think that Hillary is sitting around waiting for Bill to come home and change shirts,” admits one Democratic consultant. “She’s done her share of bed-hopping. She just knows how to be discreet.”
After presidential aide Vince Foster’s mysterious death in 1993, rumors swirled around Washington about an affair between Hillary and the longtime Clinton confidant. Others suggested the First Lady preferred female companionship.
“She never talks about her private life,” says one former Clinton White House staffer. “She has one but it is exactly that – private.”
But campaign consultants worry that Hillary’s private life or sexual preferences will have a hard time staying private under the intense glare of a Presidential campaign.
Political scientist George Harleigh, who has watched the Clintons since their days in Arkansas, say Bill and Hillary have “one of the most complex and confusing relationships that we’ve ever seen in political circles.”
“The general impression has always been that their marriage is one of convenience,” Harleigh says. “I think it goes deeper than that. They seem to feed off each other, in both good times and bad. The question that will have to be answered if Hillary runs for President is ‘is the feeding frenzy over.’”
Spokesmen for both the Senator and the former President did not return phone calls seeking comment on this report.
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i gosh damn dare you to name the media outlet you were driven to write that scandalous ignorant crap.
i.e. who told you your oppinion stupid?
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Rip-
You know how I feel about Hilary. I personally dislike her.
But that article was horrible.
They quote unnamed NYC cops, Unamed DNC staffers, Unamed Hookers....
That's a terrible smear job, even though I wish it could be believed, which it cannot.
I would like to see more points by the thread starter about why Hillary is so bad.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Rip-
You know how I feel about Hilary. I personally dislike her.
But that article was horrible.
They quote unnamed NYC cops, Unamed DNC staffers, Unamed Hookers....
That's a terrible smear job, even though I wish it could be believed, which it cannot.
I would like to see more points by the thread starter about why Hillary is so bad.
Why the hell do you think I posted it? :D Considering the game I was fishing for, they don't have enough smarts to know the difference! (Waves to Lord Dork Vader)
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Interesting reading if you care to consider both sides:
"Absolute Power: The Legacy of Corruption in the Clinton-Reno Justice Department " by David Limbaugh
"The Secret Life of Bill Clinton," by British newsman Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
"Unlimited Access: An FBI Agent Inside the Whitehouse," by Gary Aldrich
"Hell to Pay: The Unfolding Story of Hillary Rodham Clinton"
by Barbara Olson
"The Case Against Hillary Clinton" by Peggy Noonan
"The Final Days: The Last, Desperate Abuses of Power by the Clinton White House" by Barbara Olson
"Useful Idiots: How Liberals Got It Wrong in the Cold War and Still Blame America First" by Mona Charen
"Dereliction of Duty: The Eyewitness Account of How Bill Clinton Endangered Americas Long-Term National Security" by Robert Patterson
"Hillarys Scheme : Inside the Next Clintons Ruthless Agenda to Take the White House" by Carl Limbacher
Hillary Clinton has carefully constructed her public persona as a calm and nurturing earth mother, but underneath that thin veneer lies a coldly calculating and vicious schemer. Limbacher details Hillary's many temper tantrums and outbursts of foul language. Staffers recall her fits of rage and describe her as "in a perpetual state of anger." Dee Dee Myers, the former Clinton press secretary, says people "clammed up" when Hillary entered the room because "she would... humiliate you in front of your colleagues." Clinton also "tended to campaign against people behind their back."... Hillary's Scheme Inside the Next Clinton's Ruthless Agenda to Take the White House By Carl Limbacher - Review by Joanne McNeil
Interesting how so many books can detail, with eyewitness accounts and facts, the problems, behaviour (vicious) etc of two people so consumed with the lust for power and yet have some who haven't done any research, just watched the very slanted network news try to support them.
Some interesting quotes:
Berkeley economics professor J. Bradford DeLong, who worked on Hillary-Care with Hillary - "My two cents' worth -- and I think it is the two cents' worth of everybody who worked for the Clinton administration health care reform effort of 1993-1994 -- is that Hillary Rodham Clinton needs to be kept very far away from the White House for the rest of her life." The Federalist Brief 03-32
"So you've got this President, who'd been waving his wand at everyone who walked by for their entire marriage, and he does it in the Oval Office with an intern and she says that Starr's the one obsessed with sex? Hello?" --Brit Hume on Hillary's version of the Lewinsky scandal
A man who carried the nuclear football for Bill Clinton says Americans need not be fooled by Hillary Clinton's efforts to remake herself by publishing a new book. Air Force Lt. Col. (Ret.) Buzz Patterson spent two years in the Clinton White House. In his best-selling book Dereliction of Duty, the former Air Force pilot details his first-hand experience with the presidential couple. He says people should not be fooled by Mrs. Clinton's attempted makeover. Patterson says the Mrs. Clinton he knew in the mid-1990s is not the "demure, polite, soft-spoken woman" who has been appearing on recent interviews. Instead, he describes her as someone who cannot be believed to tell the truth and an "ego-driven, sometimes vulgar and profane woman" who will stop at nothing to become the President of the United States. The author also cautions those who read her book and listen to her interviews, advising them to ask themselves what the former First Lady's real motivation might be for doing those things. AgapePress News Summary (June 12, 2003)
dago
more to come when i have more time
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Originally posted by Dago
Nancy Reagan has carefully constructed her public persona as a calm and nurturing earth mother, but underneath that thin veneer lies a coldly calculating and vicious schemer. Limbacher details Barbara's many temper tantrums and outbursts of foul language. Staffers recall her fits of rage and describe her as "in a perpetual state of anger."
Interesting quote :aok
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"This has got to be one of the most evil, diabolical, scheming, self-centered woman on the planet. "
sounds like president material.
Maybe 10 years after, when French troops liberate the US, we'll be able to bring her statue down and hit its head with some Air Jordans.
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Dago,
Your "evidence" is worth even less than Rip's.
Please try harder.
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Your "evidence" is worth even less than Rip's.
Hmmm, I don't remember saying anything I posted was "evidence", just provided some recommended reading and a few quotes.
Try harder MT, you are surely lacking these days.
Nancy Reagan
Lacking anything intelligent to say as usual I see Nexus.
dago
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I really want to read dereliction of duty, but I don't need to aggravate myself.
Besides, in this political climate, everyone has an agenda and I don't know who to believe.
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Thats great Dago.. thats all pretty much worthless.. reading material as well. you still have not posted anything to back your original statements. Also, you havent answered any questions I put towards you. I wonder in real life if you talk just for the sake of talking. It seems you post just for the sake of posting. One could only hope in real life you talk with less dribble than you post with....
k
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Originally posted by Dago
Try harder MT, you are surely lacking these days.
dago
Well dammit dago.... I need something to sound intelligent about. Your posts are just leaving me dumbfounded.
:cool:
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people often ask "how could the german people elect Hitler as leader"... all i can say is look at how the liberals defend and support hillary.
see no evil, hear no evil, say no evil,.... heil hillary
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Your posts are just leaving me dumbfounded
Obviously. :D
dago
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Originally posted by john9001
see no evil, hear no evil, say no evil,.... heil hillary
Bush has put more people to death than Hillary.
He's even conquered and occupied two countries.
Really wish he was take out Mexico... would mind some beach front property in Cancun.
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
Bush has put more people to death than Hillary.
He's even conquered and occupied two countries.
Really wish he was take out Mexico... would mind some beach front property in Cancun.
WTFG George:aok
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Still not a single concrete example of her EVIL.
Comeon Dago... back up your spittle inducing bile.
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Dang funny how some of you think I "OWE" you evidence. Pretty sure in the rules of this forum, it doesn't say anything about "Evidence".
I am free to get on here, state my opinions, and leave it at that.
Everyone else is free to get on here and disagree. You all are also free to ignore me, to not participate in this thread, whatever.
There is enough stuff out there on Hillary to paint a pretty complete picture on her. If you want to read it, go ahead. I don't feel any obligation to provide it to you.
Hell yes I think she is evil. I think she is arrogant, nasty, crude, mean, a huge liar, a power seeking greedy bxtch.
Guess what? I am free to have my own opinions, don't have to back them up, to prove anything to any of you.
Don't like what I say? Prove me wrong. Don't think you are right or superior because I don't feel the need to prove my opinions.(shared by millions btw)
There are books (plural) written about Hillary, about the only one written that I have come accross where she comes off good is the one she wrote herself. Can't think of too many other first ladies that have had that many negative books written about them. I wonder why that is???
If she ever actually becomes President (shudder at the thought), she will work to finish her mission of disarming America, rewriting the Constitution, destroying more lives and destroying our military. If you share her goals, vote for her. But do not blame me for the mess she makes of our country.
dago
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Well... the directive to "read a book or two" gave the impression that this was a knowledgeable opinion...
guess not.
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Dago, you can't and won't convince "them". Billary could hold a gun to "their" heads demanding their life savings, stab a baby live on CNN and sing praises to Hitler, .... they'd find a way to justify it. Fools will be fools, history repeats itself and there's nothing you can do to change it.
But... you and Weasel aint cousins are ya? :D
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There are books (plural) written about Hillary, about the only one written that I have come accross where she comes off good is the one she wrote herself.
So I did a quick search on Amazon... put in "Hillary Clinton"
Got 2538 records. Maybe you need to get out more.
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Originally posted by Tumor
Fools will be fools, history repeats itself and there's nothing you can do to change it.
As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;
-Rudyard Kipling.
Neither here, nor there, but this reminded me of one of my favorite quotes.
-Sik
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Originally posted by kappa
Thats great Dago.. thats all pretty much worthless.. reading material as well. you still have not posted anything to back your original statements. Also, you havent answered any questions I put towards you. I wonder in real life if you talk just for the sake of talking. It seems you post just for the sake of posting. One could only hope in real life you talk with less dribble than you post with....
k
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Nor have you answered mine, challenge that is. You still stand by your claim that my sig is a misquote from some right-wing religious wacko's? Still waiting. :rolleyes:
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Hey Iron....
John Adams, the second U.S. President rejected the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and became a Unitarian. It was during Adams' presidency that the Senate ratified the Treaty of Peace and Friendship with Tripoli, which states in Article XI that:
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion - as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, - and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arrising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. (Charles I. Bevans, ed. Treaties and Other International Agreements of the United States of America 1776-1949. Vol. 11: Philippines-United Arab Republic. Washington D.C.: Department of State Publications, 1974, p. 1072).
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Originally posted by john9001
people often ask "how could the german people elect Hitler as leader"... all i can say is look at how the liberals defend and support hillary.
Careful, that is a two way street.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Hey Iron....
Yeah? You have a point to make?
My beef with kappa is that he said I was wrong in my sig and that I was misquoting Adams and then pulled something out of his ass. When I asked him to prove it he got real quiet.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Hey Iron....
Hey MT....
5 entries found for Unitarian.
U·ni·tar·i·an ( P ) Pronunciation Key (yn-târ-n)
n.
An adherent of Unitarian Universalism.
A monotheist who is not a Christian.
A Christian who is not a Trinitarian.
Are you going to convince me belief in "God" (one) to include Christian, or not, does not validate Adams statment to religious or moral people?
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Sikboy
As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;
-Rudyard Kipling.
Neither here, nor there, but this reminded me of one of my favorite quotes.
-Sik
Great poem Sik, only..... Rudyard obviously can't count.
(I always liked "If")
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Tumor (http://maximumd.crosswinds.net/moviewav/tumor.wav) lol, dangit, cant get it to work
http://maximumd.crosswinds.net/moviewav/tumor.wav
I give up
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Tumor (http://maximumd.crosswinds.net/moviewav/tumor.wav) lol, dangit, cant get it to work
http://maximumd.crosswinds.net/moviewav/tumor.wav
I give up
hehe... hey I miss my usual MA greeting!! Gonna hafta do something about my flight "hours" of late.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Great poem Sik, only..... Rudyard obviously can't count.
(I always liked "If")
The fourth thing was contained in the last stanza, which I omitted:
And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will bum,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return.
you can get the full text here:
http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_copybook.htm
As far as I can tell, it's a defense of Christianity in the face of a perceived moral decline, and a coment on the cyclical nature of such a decline.
But then, I never was an English major.
-Sik
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Originally posted by AKIron
My beef with kappa is that he said I was wrong in my sig and that I was misquoting Adams and then pulled something out of his ass. When I asked him to prove it he got real quiet. [/B]
lmao Iron.. your such a waste of time. Just so happens I have some to waste at the moment. .
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k
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btw Midnight, thanks.. I thought your post would have been enough, but alas, Iron knows nothing of a rational thought process or at least I’ve yet to see an example of one from him.
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your right Iron.... Im wrong on all accounts except you being a waste of time...
k
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"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole carloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity."
[John Adams]
"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?"
[John Adams]
The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?"
[John Adams]
"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved--the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"
[John Adams
"What havoc has been made of books through every century of the Christian era? Where are fifty gospels, condemned as spurious by the bull of Pope Gelasius? Where are the forty wagon-loads of Hebrew manuscripts burned in France, by order of another pope, because suspected of heresy? Remember the 'index expurgatorius', the inquisition, the stake, the axe, the halter and the guillotine."
[John Adams]
"The priesthood have, in all ancient nations, nearly monopolized learning. And ever since the Reformation, when or where has existed a Protestant or dissenting sect who would tolerate A FREE INQUIRY? The blackest billingsgate, the most ungentlemanly insolence, the most yahooish brutality, is patiently endured, countenanced, propagated, and applauded. But touch a solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your eyes and hand, and fly into your face and eyes."
[John Adams]
"As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, -- as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-- and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religous opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
[John Adams]
Perhaps one could see my dilemma in thinking John Adams did not make that quote of Iron’s. After reading the quote in its entirety, I suppose I realized the correct context that it was in. I could not remember John Adams being such a religious man. It seems that was the base of my confusion.
k
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So I did a quick search on Amazon... put in "Hillary Clinton"Got 2538 records
Even I didn't know there was that many books written describing her evil and vicious ways.
Good going MT.
dago
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Originally posted by kappa
your right Iron.... Im wrong on all accounts except you being a waste of time...
k
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Apology accepted, guess you might wanna do at least a modicum of research before telling someone they are wrong and then pulling quotes outta yer ass.
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Here is your proof!
(http://cpinternet.com/~tlong1/hillary.gif)
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After Bill lost an early congressional race in Arkansas, Hillary had called campaign worker Paul Fray a "F***ing Jew bastard." State trooper Larry patterson, who claimed that the clintons in anger would call each other "Jew bastard" and "jew m***rf***r"
Lets not forget Hillarys loving kiss of Suha Arafat, wife of Yasir Arafat, moments after the lovely and charming first lady of Palestine liberation Army charged Israelis with using poison gas on Palestine.
Viacom conglomerate controls paramount Pictures CBS Television, MTV, UPN and Blockbuster video. They are lobbing hard for new federal regulation on ownership of stations that reach more than 35% of the US households....They also own. You guessed it SIMON and SCHUSTER...that’s right the same publisher whom gave Senator Clinton $8 million advance. Of which she never ran by the Senate ethics committed. Which she was required to do. But why fallow laws/rules now, she never did when she was FLOTUS.
Why was Hillary’s close friend Vince Forster in position of NSA files. Never before had someone in that position had access to these files. He is found dead in a park under suspicious circumstances, the highest-ranking member of the executive branch to die since JFK. Has Hillary ever answered a single question about this. NO
How about the travel office of the white house. Hillary anted her own people in place, she couldn't fire him so she accused him of embezzlement. He was acquitted of course.
How did the former nightclub bouncer named Craig Livingston managed to procure massive numbers of sensitive FBI files on key Republicans?
How about the peoples dime she's working off of. Hillary’s office on the upper east side of Manhattan will cost taxpayers in excess of $514,148 per year, $90,000 more than the Senate's next highest office, the San Francisco offices of Dianne Feinstien. The tab is more then double the amount paid by Hillary's fellow Democrat and New York senator, Charles Schumer, whose office are in the same neighborhood. His is $209,532 a year, and is only 3,900 square feet, while Hillary needs 7,900 square feet. It is 3 blocks from the UN building, and the famed Waldorf-Astoria Hotel. The office is on the 26th floor of the 50 story Third ave. building owned by Teachers Insurance Annuity Association (TIAA-CREF) this is the teachers pension found of the US.
Its got a 154 seat auditorium and to conference rooms. Completely done in peach-colored Finnish Granite.
I could get into LOOTING the White House but I'll save that story for another time.
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Originally posted by JBA
Lets not forget Hillarys loving kiss of Suha Arafat, wife of Yasir Arafat,...
Yeah, wasn't that on stage at the MTV Music Awards? No, wait that was Madonna and Brittany ... and Christina... that was hot....
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I can't believe nobody else has homed in on the REAL issue concerning Hilary....
(http://www.sc2000.net/~kmyers/Hilary.jpg)
culero ;)
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I could get into LOOTING the White House but I'll save that story for another time.
You mean the looting that never happened?... please share.
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that’s right the same publisher whom gave Senator Clinton $8 million advance. Of which she never ran by the Senate ethics committed. Which she was required to do. But why fallow laws/rules now, she never did when she was FLOTUS.
More lies from the right.
Here is a quote from that "ignored ethics committee"
"The committee has concluded that the publishing agreement appears to be an arms length business deal which falls within the normal business arrangements of the publisher and its terms appear to be usual and customary in the publishing trade,"
http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/02/14/clinton.book.deal/
But you just keep on.... this is getting fun.
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LoL its funny watching all these folks try to bash Hillary Clinton. They get all worked up in a fuss for nothing not realizing they are some of the mechanisms in the worthless Clinton bashing propaganda machine..... They just keep it going.. Even years past still the same propanda lies can be heared.
I'm not saying she is a great woman nor am I saying she isn't. I've not seen the recklessness in which she spent the peoples money any worse than our president select. I've not seen the lies she told the american people in order to send our troops to war. I've not seen Hillary Clinton place big corporation before the american people. I've not seen Ms. Clinton hand over our national forest/refuge areas to big business. I've not seen this Clinton lie to the world. I've not heard of this Clinton taking a hand in loving the world by backing out of signed treaty on world pollution called Kyota thereby threating the very existance of the small island's people.
What I have seen is rhetoric, lies, and missinformation and the willingness of some to print them without any forthought or self judgment. Questioning nothing and believeing blindly. Seem par??
k
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Do a google on "Salman Pak" and "Iraqi Troops in US Uniforms" follow the trail using Foxnews... Stories from government sources are reported... a few days later their stories are debunked as lies.... yet the misinformation propaganda message is out... and part of every neocon's programming... and some how becomes... the conventional wisdom...
All you conservatives are just NEOCON BOTs. LOL
Pretty darn interesting...
Transforming Language to Market the 'Big Lie'
Ansar al-Salam
The propaganda artists selected a small Kurdish splinter group called Ansar al-Salam and elevated it into an organized group of Al Qaeda "terrorists" who were "said to be" controlled by Saddam Hussein and "believed to be" producing ricin, a deadly biotoxin.
Since Ansar al-Salam was formed shortly after 9/11, "it was tied to bin Laden." Because a single source claimed to have seen Republican Guard officers in the region, "it was tied to Saddam Hussein."
"This was part of the 'big lie' to tie Iraq to 9/11," Gardiner wrote. "The 'terrorist' connection took many other forms, many forms but the truth. I don't see evidenced they cherished the truth."
Operation TELIC
In the first days of the invasion, a US Marine Corps spokesman made a prophetic statement: "The first image of the war will define the conflict."
The attempts to control those "first images" were of overriding interest to the coalition's ministries of propaganda. Because it was believed that the city of Basrah would quickly fall to the coalition troops, the "Battle of Basrah" was heavily scripted long before the first soldiers even entered Iraq.
Marines were given food packets to hand out to Basrah children. Journalists were to be bused to the newly captured city and TV crews were to be flown in to film the "liberated" citizens welcoming coalition soldiers with smiles and flowers. The UK had expected to lead the attack on Basrah but, over Blair's objections, the US insisted on giving this plum assignment to the US Marines. Gardiner's sources in Britain told him that the sole reason was that the US "wanted to have their forces lead the victory into Basrah."
When the residents of Basrah refused to be "liberated," the carefully planned media event evaporated in a hail of gunfire.
"It was about image," Gardiner marvels. "So much effort and money on image."
Salman Pak
In a widely publicized September 12, 2002 briefing paper entitled, "Decade of Deception," the White House described "a highly secret terrorist training facility in Iraq known as Salman Pak, where both Iraqis and non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking planes and trains, planting explosives in cities, sabotage, and assassinations."
"This facility became a major part of the strategic influence marketing effort," Gardiner writes. Yet, in the invasions aftermath, the Pentgon offered no "compelling evidence" that such a site existed.
In his February 3 presentation to the United Nations, Secretary of State Colin Powell flashed a photo of an Ansar al-Salam "poison factory" in northern Iraq. In September 3, seven months after Powell's presentation, an Los Angeles Times reporter managed to reach the "poison factory," which he described as "a small cinderblock building bearing brown granules and ammonia-like scents." When the Times had the material tested, the granules turned out to be a commercial rat poison.
US Lied about Attacks on Iraq's Power Grid
Secretary Powell claimed that Iraq possessed mobile trucks designed to produce biological weapons. When invading forces located the trucks it turned out they were actually designed to produce hydrogen for surveillance balloons and Iraq had bought the trucks from the Britain.
When the capital city of Baghdad was blacked out by a power failure during the April bombardment, Pentagon spokesperson Victoria "Tori" Clarke rushed to assure the world that "We did not have the power grid as a target. That was not us."
The facts would subsequently show that the US had targeted portions of the power grid. In the North, a special operations team staged an attack on the Hadithah Dam on April 1 or 2. Human Rights Watch documented at least two attacks on the power grid south of Baghdad "along Highway 6 [that] included a Tomahawk [missile] strike using carbon fibers."
The use of a sophisticated carbon-fiber weapons is significant since the deployment of these specialized devices required prior approval from Washington.
American's Heroic Hostage
In an episode that recalled the creation of the "Old Shoe, the fictitious hero concocted by Robert deNiro's ace "perception manager" in the film "Wag the Dog," Washington's propaganda artists literally brought someone back from the dead.
Lt. Commander Scott Speicher had been shot down during the first Gulf War in 1991. In an attempt to generate sympathy and support for Bush's pre-emptive war, "intelligence sources" began circulating a bizarre new story to the US media. In what Gardiner called "a pattern typical of created stories," these unnamed sources started a rumor that Commander Speicher had not only survived but that he had somehow spent the past decade trapped in an Iraqi prison.
Iraqi officials vehemently denied that they were holding Speicher or, for that matter, any Americans. When asked about the Iraqi denial at a press conference, Rumsfeld's response was calculatingly oblique. "I don't believe much the regime puts out," Rumsfeld stated.
In Gardiner's estimation, Rumsfeld's answer "was too clever not to have been formulated to leave the impression that [Speicher] was alive."
Gardiner was troubled by Rumsfeld's apparent disinterest in the truth but, as a former military officer, there was another question that bothered Gardiner even more. "Why didn't [Rumsfeld] consider what he was doing to Speicher's family?"
On January 11, 2001, Speicher's status was changed from KIA (Killed in Action) to MIA (Missing in Action). As the invasion forces gathered in the Middle East, Speicher's status was changed once more, to "captured." Navy officials who contacted ABC News reported that they had been pressured to make this change.
In January, "intelligence officials" continued to leak information to the media that suggested Speicher was still alive. In April, the secretive ministry of propaganda leaked a report that his initials had been found on the wall of a cell in Iraq. Gardiner found this leak particularly strange since "Military POW recovery personnel are very careful about releasing information that would cause false hope in families." The release of such information would also, obviously, endanger the captives.
Long after Baghdad fell and the media's attention had been drawn to the fruitless search for weapons of mass destruction, a reporter thought to ask Rumsfeld about America's lost hero. The secretary replied vaguely that there was "nothing turned up thus far that I could elaborate on that would be appropriate." On July 16, a Washington Times investigation belatedly concluded that there was "no evidence" Speicher had survived or had been held captive in Iraq.
Chemical Cluster Bombs
On March 10, administration officials attempted to discredit Hans Blix and UNMOVIC, the UN weapons inspection program. Administration officials told the Boston Globe that "Blix did not give details... of the possible existence of a cluster bomb that could deliver deadly poisons."
Presidential spokesperson Ari Fleischer claimed that the US was "aware of UNMOVIC's discovery of Iraqi production of munitions capable of dispensing both chemical and biological weapons." Videotape was released allegedly showing the Iraqis testing a cluster bomb for dispersing chemical weapons.
"The chemical cluster bomb story certainly didn't linger," Gardiner wrote. "It was around only a couple of days, but it still served its purpose at the time."
Few newspaper readers or TV watchers realized that there was never any evidence that Iraq had such technologically complex weapons. Indeed, the Pentagon had dismissed the possibility of Iraq ever developing these weapons during the first Gulf War.
Iraq's Planned Computer Attack on America
An alarming White House paper presented by Paul Wolfowitz before a meeting of the Council on Foreign Relations warned that Iraqi engineers were preparing a vast attack on the country's computer networks.
The warning came from a single source who claimed that Iraq's Intelligence Service was working with the Babylon Software Company to break into US computers, steal documents and spread viruses. There were no such attacks. There was no such program.
Iraqi Troops in US Uniforms
On March 7, White House Deputy Director of Communications Jim Wilkinson, described as "a senior US official," released a story about Iraq's alleged acquisition of US and UK military uniforms "identical down to the last detail." Wilkinson claimed Iraqis in US camouflage were planning to commit battlefield atrocities to cast discredit on coalition troops.
On March 26, Pentagon spokesperson Victoria "Tori" Clarke embellished the story. Clarke told reporters that "we knew they were acquiring uniforms that looked like US and UK uniforms. And the reporting was ... [that Saddam Hussein would] give them to the thugs, as I call them, to go out, carry out reprisals against the Iraqi people, and try to blame it on coalition forces."
Two days later, Rumsfeld added a new twist, claiming that Saddam Hussein's troops planned to don UK an US uniforms "to try to fool regular Iraqi soldiers into surrendering to them and then execute them as an example for others."
There were never any reports of Iraq attempting such stunts. In his report, Gardiner concludes: "The way it was put by Jim Wilkinson (a name that keeps appearing in these questionable stories), it seems to fit a pattern of pre-blaming Iraq. It has the feel of being a created story."
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Originally posted by kappa
LoL its funny watching all these folks try to bash Hillary Clinton. They get all worked up in a fuss for nothing not realizing they are some of the mechanisms in the worthless Clinton bashing propaganda machine..... They just keep it going.. Even years past still the same propanda lies can be heared.
I'm not saying she is a great woman nor am I saying she isn't. I've not seen the recklessness in which she spent the peoples money any worse than our president select. I've not seen the lies she told the american people in order to send our troops to war. I've not seen Hillary Clinton place big corporation before the american people. I've not seen Ms. Clinton hand over our national forest/refuge areas to big business. I've not seen this Clinton lie to the world. I've not heard of this Clinton taking a hand in loving the world by backing out of signed treaty on world pollution called Kyota thereby threating the very existance of the small island's people.
What I have seen is rhetoric, lies, and missinformation and the willingness of some to print them without any forthought or self judgment. Questioning nothing and believeing blindly. Seem par??
k
AoM
I don't trust her any more than I did her hubby; that's all the justification I need. If that makes me a mindless tool, good, I am a mindless tool that votes.
I won't waste time documenting every ill she's ever done just in case someone on some BBS asks for proof she cannot be trusted- as if it wasn't obvious enough.
You will never, ever convince me she has anything other than Hillary Rodham Clinton first and foremost on her mind.
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Good grief folks, I just can't take it any more.
Ya'll have little more than the slightest clue to whats going on, what was going on, and what will be going on in Iraq. What you get from the media EITHER, side of it, left or right, is based primarily on bias, conjecture and self-serving interests. Trust me, I've forgotten more outright facts about the subject than 99% of you well EVER know. Same goes for most on this board and truthfully, almost ALL the arguments pro and con here begin to look totally ridiculous within 2 or 3 posts. Gawd almighty just stop trying to bull**** each other into who's "righter" or "wronger", NOBODY IS GOING TO CHANGE THIER VIEWS!! Make some kind argument towards a solution. CHANGE THE FREEKIN DIRECTION OF THE SUBJECT already.
B*tch B*tch B*tch... it's really getting old.