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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on November 12, 2003, 01:34:56 PM
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Any Diplomacy (http://www.diplom.org) players looking for a game?
banana says he's in... I need six more.
Chime in! Seating is limited!
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Any Diplomacy (http://www.diplom.org) players looking for a game?
banana says he's in... I need six more.
Chime in! Seating is limited!
yeah, I'll take a stab at it :)
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Originally posted by Hortlund
yeah, I'll take a stab at it :)
:lol
What a punster you are, Hortlund. :aok
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How do we play? Do I need to go buy a game? Sounds fun.
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im game, if you will give me some time to learn how to play that is :)
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Originally posted by Flyboy
im game, if you will give me some time to learn how to play that is :)
OJT baby! Just grab your ankles and hope you learn something while you're getting "done" :)
I should sit this one out... But damn I want to play.
-Sik
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
How do we play? Do I need to go buy a game? Sounds fun.
It's absolutely free. http://www.diplom.org
Be prepared to be at this a while... the game will last a good six months and require a few emails from you each week.
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Originally posted by Sikboy
I should sit this one out... But damn I want to play.
-Sik
Austria needs you.
This time try not to cockle it up.
(http://www.foxhome.com/soundofmusic/est/foy/assets/foyjf1.jpg)
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I am in then, if there is still room.
Can I have it on multible systems?
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I am reading the site now.
Can I play from my hotmail acount?
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
I am in then, if there is still room.
Can I have it on multible systems?
Nothing necessary to install. You can do it from anywhere...
First step for the first time players... REGISTER WITH THE JUDGE (http://www.floc.net/dpjudge/dppd/). Simply fill in the blanks in the top-right boxes underneath "New Here?"
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
I am reading the site now.
Can I play from my hotmail acount?
Once you've registered, log on to the DPPD and add all the email accounts that you might use. AFAIK, there is no limitation.
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Now what?
Sandman.... Thanks for the help BTW.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Now what?
Sandman.... Thanks for the help BTW.
I'm creating the game... I'll have more instructions for signing on to the game soon.
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Great!
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Just say the word and I'm in...Austria in aceshigh1 really doesn't have much left to do. :)
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Is it the kinda game that you really love or hate?
How many FPS do you get?
Do you get payed?
Does Lazer play it?
Anyone need a used trashcan?
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Originally posted by Nilsen10
How amny FPS do you get?
I get 1 FP3D right now.
-Sik
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save me a spot sandman. I have to go to bed now..workday and all tomorrow...
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Still a spot left? If so, count me in.
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Okay... the list so far:
banana
Hortlund
GtoRA2
Flyboy
Tarmac
SOB
Sikboy?
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Sikboy?
Yeah, I'm in lol.
-Sik
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Okay... We have seven. I'll let you know when the game is ready. I sent the "create" command an hour or more ago and I'm waiting for the judge.
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The game is on! Instructions on joining can be found at:
http://www.floc.net/dpjudge/?game=aceshigh2
Send me an email to sandman935@softhome.net and I'll send you the privacy word.
RULES:
White/Grey Press- The player can choose to have any press (except to the Master) sent anonymously.
No Late Receive- Private press may not be sent to any power that has not submitted orders after a deadline.
No Late Changes- In games using this rule, no changes can be made to any already-submitted orders after a deadline has passed.
Civil Disorder- Any power that has not submitted orders: when the game's Master submits a PROCESS command, or when the deadline has passed (or, if a grace period is specified in the TIMING line of the game's status file, before the expiration of the grace period), will have its orders entered automatically. During movement phases, all units will HOLD, during retreat phases, all dislodged units will DISBAND, and during adjustment phases, all builds will be WAIVED, and all removals will be entered using random choice from among the power's on-board units, with preference given to retaining units that are situated on supply centers. (see CD Retreats below.)
CD Retreats- All powers in civil disorder during a retreat phase will retreat any dislodged units randomly, preferably into supply centers. Without this rule, units in civil disorder will DISBAND in retreat phases. Note that if neither the CIVIL_DISORDER nor the CD_DUMMIES rules are specified, all powers (whether dummy or not) will have their retreat orders default at the deadline if they have not been submitted.
Eavesdrop- The Master is sent a copy of all private press messages.
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I am not the only newbie right?
I expect to get worked, I hope I do not slow things down to much as I learn.
I emailed ya sandy!
I am excited!
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Hey can I get in?
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If you ever do a third game, I'd like to join in, despite being rather new.
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Originally posted by Habu
Hey can I get in?
Corsair was also looking for a game... Five more players and I'll create another.
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RA it's a blast. Read up on the rules. Don't be afraid to ask for help/rules clarifications, but think long and hard about who you ask and how you're asking. :)
And keep in touch with everyone, every turn. Even if it's just all BS you're talking about, keep the lines of communication open.
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I'm not a newbie, Gtora2, but I am a two time loser. :)
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Corsair was also looking for a game... Five more players and I'll create another.
Sand, you want to play in that game? I could give a shot at mastering one if you want in.
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Originally posted by Tarmac
Sand, you want to play in that game? I could give a shot at mastering one if you want in.
Tell ya what... If it looks like they need me, I will. :)
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So Habu and Corsair are interested in starting a game; need 5 more takers.
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Looks like I am all loged in, hehe Thanks again for the help Sandy!
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What judge do you guys play on? So far I've registered for USEF, USOS, and USTR.
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Originally posted by Corsair
What judge do you guys play on? So far I've registered for USEF, USOS, and USTR.
This one:
http://www.floc.net/dpjudge/dppd/
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In!
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Tarmac, SOB, and GtoRA2 are all in... :)
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baaa!
i dont even know how to play, just started reading the manual
:eek: :eek: :o
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Same here Flyboy.
So we get taken out in the first few cycles. Next time we will be wiser.
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In as power #4.
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OK i finished reading the rules
i still do not fully understand how the game is played via Email (game map and movements)
Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
White/Grey Press- The player can choose to have any press (except to the Master) sent anonymously.
whats a press?
No Late Receive- Private press may not be sent to any power that has not submitted orders after a deadline.
whats a press? :)
No Late Changes- In games using this rule, no changes can be made to any already-submitted orders after a deadline has passed.
Civil Disorder- Any power that has not submitted orders: when the game's Master submits a PROCESS command, or when the deadline has passed (or, if a grace period is specified in the TIMING line of the game's status file, before the expiration of the grace period), will have its orders entered automatically. During movement phases, all units will HOLD, during retreat phases, all dislodged units will DISBAND, and during adjustment phases, all builds will be WAIVED, and all removals will be entered using random choice from among the power's on-board units, with preference given to retaining units that are situated on supply centers. (see CD Retreats below.)
CD Retreats- All powers in civil disorder during a retreat phase will retreat any dislodged units randomly, preferably into supply centers. Without this rule, units in civil disorder will DISBAND in retreat phases. Note that if neither the CIVIL_DISORDER nor the CD_DUMMIES rules are specified, all powers (whether dummy or not) will have their retreat orders default at the deadline if they have not been submitted.
Eavesdrop- The Master is sent a copy of all private press messages.
hmmm... whats a press? :)
i have tons of questions but i think ill browse the DP site abit more before ill bother you guys :)
oh 1 more thing, how do i choose a country for the game? or is it randomly?
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Originally posted by Flyboy
hmmm... whats a press? :)
i have tons of questions but i think ill browse the DP site abit more before ill bother you guys :)
oh 1 more thing, how do i choose a country for the game? or is it randomly?
"Press" is the communication between players. You use the judge to communicate to other players. Once the game has started, you'll see the press menu on the DPJudge web page. It's fairly intuitive.
Country assignments will be determined randomly. The game is set for a 3 day wait for each movement phase, but I think I'll set the first move for 5 days to give you some time to get all your press out. In my experience, it seems that the vast majority of the communication happens in the first few moves (years). After that, it tends to slow down a bit as the lines of battle become more distinct.
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ok, how do i join in?
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Originally posted by Flyboy
ok, how do i join in?
Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
First step for the first time players... REGISTER WITH THE JUDGE (http://www.floc.net/dpjudge/dppd/). Simply fill in the blanks in the top-right boxes underneath "New Here?"
Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
The game is on! Instructions on joining can be found at:
http://www.floc.net/dpjudge/?game=aceshigh2
Send me an email to sandman935@softhome.net and I'll send you the privacy word.
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lol
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
lol
Me... sorry, busy man and all that... I'll get signed in tomorrow, today just got away from me.
-Sik
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Hint for beginners: If you have just said, that you would like to learn how to play in game, and would like for people to take it easy on you at the beginning. You have already lost horribly. ;)
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Sik
No prob man, heheh. That was mostly for bump value anyway.
Thrawn
LOL I know I am going to lose but is still should be fun.
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I have exactly four people signed on...
GtoRA2
Tarmac
SOB
banana
Sikboy isn't the only one lagging behind.
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Put me in as Power 5 please.
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Originally posted by Habu
Put me in as Power 5 please.
We have seven for this game (aceshigh2):
banana
Hortlund
GtoRA2
Flyboy
Tarmac
SOB
Sikboy
You'll need to wait until we have five more players for another game.
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sandman did you got my mail?
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Originally posted by Flyboy
sandman did you got my mail?
Not yet...
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Hey, sign me up for the second game...I'm gonna hate myself for this. :D
I'll be looking over the rules in the meantime.
BTW, for those who enjoy this sort of thing...take a look at this:
Civil War On-Line (http://www.distance-simulations.com/)
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Originally posted by BlkKnit
Hey, sign me up for the second game...I'm gonna hate myself for this. :D
I'll be looking over the rules in the meantime.
BTW, for those who enjoy this sort of thing...take a look at this:
Civil War On-Line (http://www.distance-simulations.com/)
Aces High 2 is full:
banana
Hortlund
GtoRA2
Flyboy
Tarmac
SOB
Sikboy
For another game: http://216.91.192.19/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=101297
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well, thats the game I meant ;)
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In game
-Sik
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sandman i allready sent you 2 emails
maybe the address is wrong? anyway please email me the password on joffefam@barak-online.net
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Originally posted by Flyboy
sandman i allready sent you 2 emails
maybe the address is wrong? anyway please email me the password on joffefam@barak-online.net
It's in the mail.
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Still waiting for Hortlund and Flyboy...
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Geez guys, let's get this road on the show before I retire, ok? ;)
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LOL I was feeling guilty I did not get a chance to check my mail after friday! I figured everyone was going to be waiting on me!
LOL
well I am glad it is not me :aok
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sorry guys, i just cant figure out how to join the game, feeling kinda stupid too :(
can some one tell me what exactly am i suposed to email the dpjudge adress to get in to the game?
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Originally posted by Flyboy
sorry guys, i just cant figure out how to join the game, feeling kinda stupid too :(
can some one tell me what exactly am i suposed to email the dpjudge adress to get in to the game?
Using the same email account that you previous registered (or go to the DPPD (http://www.floc.net/dpjudge/dppd/) and add others), send an email to dpjudge@diplom.org. In the body of the message put the following:
JOIN aceshigh2
SIGNOFF
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have sent the join email now...should be in soon.
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thanks guys
Im IN :)
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The game is on! woot!
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1 question
if i submit orders. can i change them before the round ends?
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Originally posted by Flyboy
1 question
if i submit orders. can i change them before the round ends?
Yes, you can change orders up until the deadline.
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Rules aren't significantly different from our previous game, right sandman? We can reveal our identities, etc, right?
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Originally posted by Tarmac
Rules aren't significantly different from our previous game, right sandman? We can reveal our identities, etc, right?
RULES:
White/Grey Press- The player can choose to have any press (except to the Master) sent anonymously.
No Late Receive- Private press may not be sent to any power that has not submitted orders after a deadline.
No Late Changes- In games using this rule, no changes can be made to any already-submitted orders after a deadline has passed.
Civil Disorder- Any power that has not submitted orders: when the game's Master submits a PROCESS command, or when the deadline has passed (or, if a grace period is specified in the TIMING line of the game's status file, before the expiration of the grace period), will have its orders entered automatically. During movement phases, all units will HOLD, during retreat phases, all dislodged units will DISBAND, and during adjustment phases, all builds will be WAIVED, and all removals will be entered using random choice from among the power's on-board units, with preference given to retaining units that are situated on supply centers. (see CD Retreats below.)
CD Retreats- All powers in civil disorder during a retreat phase will retreat any dislodged units randomly, preferably into supply centers. Without this rule, units in civil disorder will DISBAND in retreat phases. Note that if neither the CIVIL_DISORDER nor the CD_DUMMIES rules are specified, all powers (whether dummy or not) will have their retreat orders default at the deadline if they have not been submitted.
Eavesdrop- The Master is sent a copy of all private press messages.
The only real change is the addition of the no late change rule. Just trying to keep it moving. Keep in mind... if you miss the deadline, you'll still have one day to submit orders, but you'll be unable to communicate with anyone. It's possible to work around the judge using personal email address rather than standard press, but the profit of such communication is limited as orders are locked and can't be changed after the deadline passes.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
RULES:
The only real change is the addition of the no late change rule. Just trying to keep it moving.
Thanks, that's what I was looking for.
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So rightnow we only have small 3 armies or so, and we just need to move them and send messages to each other to conspire?
Being french I do not have to surender the first time the germans sneeze right??
:D
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Heh, well being Italy is a load off my shoulders. Takes a lot of the stress off when you already know you're not going to win. :)
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
So rightnow we only have small 3 armies or so, and we just need to move them and send messages to each other to conspire?
Being french I do not have to surender the first time the germans sneeze right??
:D
No, you can actually ally with germany and take over all of Europe. I've heard of people doing this before. ;)
(http://www.floc.net/dpjudge/gamemaps/oclub.gif?map=0.483551)
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Originally posted by Tarmac
No, you can actually ally with germany and take over all of Europe. I've heard of people doing this before. ;)
(http://www.floc.net/dpjudge/gamemaps/oclub.gif?map=0.483551)
Yeah, but the person playing Germany must be extremely talented. ;)
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As the New Sultan of Turkey, let me send my most happy and peaceful tidings to the other rulers of Europe. Now is the time for wisdom to prevail, and cooperation to rule.
May Allah's wisdom and warmth shine upon you like the sun in the daytime, and my all your wells be always full of water.
Sultan banana
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Do I hit the master button to send move orders?
I tried to do one, when can I tell if it moved my fleet?
Can someone give me a sampe of a move order
I tried:
Fbre-mao
it does not seem to have done much?
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Do I hit the master button to send move orders?
I tried to do one, when can I tell if it moved my fleet?
Can someone give me a sampe of a move order
I tried:
Fbre-mao
it does not seem to have done much?
From the DPJudge GUI, (http://www.floc.net/dpjudge/?game=aceshigh2), after you've logged on, look at the orders box on the right side. The submit button is at the bottome right. The press commands are in the center.
http://www.floc.net/dpjudge/?page=Format
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http://devel.diplom.org/Online/
This link has all sorts of good stuff, especially the official Diplomacy rules. I can't stress strongly enough the need to learn the rules. It shows you exactly how to issue orders correctly.
Also, when you issue your orders and click "Submit Updates", the DPJudge will tell you if you have any invalid orders. You'll then have the chance to correct them.
Here's a good place to read about strategy:
http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/strategy.htm
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Imperial greetings from the realms of Austria-Hungary.
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Sandman, could you please list the countries and the rulers for each, so that we know who we're dealing with?
Thanks. :)
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Do I hit the master button to send move orders?
I tried to do one, when can I tell if it moved my fleet?
Can someone give me a sampe of a move order
I tried:
Fbre-mao
it does not seem to have done much?
A sample order would be something along the lines of "F Bre - Mao" (without the ""). You type it into the "Spring 1909 movement orders" box on the right side of the screen. Your units are already listed, for convenience, so you only have to type the second half of the order.
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Originally posted by banana
Sandman, could you please list the countries and the rulers for each, so that we know who we're dealing with?
Thanks. :)
I can guess at a few:
Austria = Hortlund
England = SOB?
France = GtoRA2
Germany = Sikboy
Italy = Tarmac
Russia = Flyboy?
Turkey = banana?
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Heh, is SOB getting another chance with England? Be afraid, very afraid.
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Turkey = banana?
That is correct.
Sultan banana
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greeting to the nations of europe from the great russian empire
please ignore any invasions that might appear in the following years, those are just cozzacks :)
tzar flyboySki
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Originally posted by Tarmac
Heh, is SOB getting another chance with England? Be afraid, very afraid.
Wanna bet he doesn't trust Germany? :D
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can someone correct me if im wrong:
If Army at point A suport an Army at point B
and Army and point B suports Army at point A
both suports fail?
so both A & B have a "power" of 1 army defending them
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Not necessarily Flyboy. You can do mutually support, but only on the defensive. You'd order:
Army X support Army Y
Army Y support Army X
They'd both have a "strength," in this case, of 2. If one were to be attacked, however, it would have to defend itself and be unable to support the other army (support cut).
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Originally posted by Flyboy
can someone correct me if im wrong:
If Army at point A suport an Army at point B
and Army and point B suports Army at point A
both suports fail?
so both A & B have a "power" of 1 army defending them
Learn it. Know it. Live it. (http://www.avalonhill.com/rules/diplomacy.pdf) :D
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Thanks for the tips guys
I figured out how to do troop moves. Now will we get more troops?
I can not read the linked pages to much tell tonight cause I am at work.
no the presses are just comications bewteen us right? we do not have to adhere to what we said other then the getting a rep as a liar?
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
no the presses are just comications bewteen us right? we do not have to adhere to what we said other then the getting a rep as a liar?
It's not called "lying." It's called "stabbing" and sooner or later you'll either stab or be stabbed. Ask SOB about it. ;)
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Thanks for the tips guys
I figured out how to do troop moves. Now will we get more troops?
I can not read the linked pages to much tell tonight cause I am at work.
no the presses are just comications bewteen us right? we do not have to adhere to what we said other then the getting a rep as a liar?
Yes, you'll get more troops. Each supply center (the dots on the map in territories such as Paris, Spain, etc) equates to a unit (army or fleet). Each winter (the turn after spring and fall movement phases), you'll re-adjust your units to match up with the number of SC's you control*, either by building new units or by disbanding excess units.
And no, presses are not binding in any way, just like real diplomacy. A treaty is only as good as the power to enforce it. But obviously, you'll piss people off by breaking them, and probably get involved in a war over it. :)
*ed: you "control" a supply center by being the last power to occupy it through the winter adjustments phase.
There are 3 phases to a "year": spring movement, fall movement, and winter adjustments (no movement, just building and disbanding)
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
It's not called "lying." It's called "stabbing" and sooner or later you'll either stab or be stabbed. Ask SOB about it. ;)
The potshots at poor SOB just keep coming, and the guy isn't even defending himself! This is shaping up to be a pretty interesting game. :)
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Cool.
So will the troop centers just produce or do I have to tell them?
Is there a way to say I am done so we could move on faster?
Can you have more then one army in a area?
Sorry for so many questions.
OH PS how serious do we have to be? Hmm I am not trying to say I am going to do goofy stuff to be a wacko but is it bad for to make an ocasional Joke like
"Italy, I will order all the women of France to shave their pits, if you are willing to have the women of Italy shave the middle of their eyebrows. I do this in good faith and it should result in much good will with all nations" Kinda thing?
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Cool.
So will the troop centers just produce or do I have to tell them?
Is there a way to say I am done so we could move on faster?
Can you have more then one army in a area?
Sorry for so many questions.
OH PS how serious do we have to be? Hmm I am not trying to say I am going to do goofy stuff to be a wacko but is it bad for to make an ocasional Joke like
"Italy, I will order all the women of France to shave their pits, if you are willing to have the women of Italy shave the middle of their eyebrows. I do this in good faith and it should result in much good will with all nations" Kinda thing?
The new units will be produced only in your home supply centers. You'll have to order it, to tell them where and what to produce.
Don't check the "wait until deadline" box. If anyone checks it though, we have to wait until the end. You can always go back and uncheck it.
You cannot have more than one unit in an area.
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And as for seriousness:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=92331&highlight=diplomacy
That was sent out in game. No harm in poking a bit of fun.
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It would be wise to keep a sense of humor about this game. Otherwise, it's easy to get royally pissed! :)
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IMO as being a game master, the biggest mistake people make is not communicating enough with everyone, including their enemies. I have seen instances where a country who is undecided about which side to take, ends up going to the first side to be friendly with him.
You attract more bees with honey than with vinegar. :)
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I got exactly what I deserved in O'club...just wait until the logs are released. I think banana can attest to that. :D I still wish bad things on the testicles of both of you! :p
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Originally posted by SOB
I got exactly what I deserved in O'club...just wait until the logs are released. I think banana can attest to that. :D I still wish bad things on the testicles of both of you! :p
SOB, your biggest mistake happened in the very beginning. You weren't communicating much, so while you were silent, the rest were plotting against you.
My rule of thumb....communicate, communicate, communicate.
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My testicles? That's not very nice. If anything starts growing down there, I'm flying to Oregon to wipe it all over your toothbrush. And your Lance the Biker Man latex dummy.
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Glad you learned from that SOB.
Sandman had a concrete plan right from the beginning. Your proposed plan was "kill germany." The lack of a good plan from you made me think you were insincere; while sandman's plan showed thought and dedication to wiping you out. :)
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i have another question, didnt found an answer to it in the rules
lets say country1 attacks point A with a "strengh" of 3
point A is being hold by country 2 with a "strengh" of 1
and country 3 allso attacks point A but with a "strengh" of 2
if i understand it right then:
country1 moves in to point A
country2 is disslodged
country3 fails in it attacks and holds
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Correct, Flyboy. Although country three's army would not technically hold; that's called a "bounce" when a move order fails. But the result on the map is the same.
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rgr thanks
Grrr do we have to wait for 5 days now to get the first round? :eek: :(
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Make sure your "wait until deadline before processing" box is unchecked if you want the turn to go faster. If everyone unchecks theirs, it will go to the next turn immediately. If one person wants to wait, we all have to.
And we were given 6 days on the first turn to have time to handle our initial diplomacy; it would be wise to make use of it, since the next few turns will probably feel pretty rushed.
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Originally posted by Flyboy
rgr thanks
Grrr do we have to wait for 5 days now to get the first round? :eek: :(
IMO, the initial round of negotiations sets the tone of the game, and friendships and enemies made in the first two years can become permanent.
Communicate, communicate, communicate! :)
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oh here is a quesion, can I send troops into one of your teritories without taking it over?
Like say we have a non agression pact?
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
oh here is a quesion, can I send troops into one of your teritories without taking it over?
Like say we have a non agression pact?
Yes, in fact the same holds true when trying to attack and capture a supply center of another country. Even if you capture the supply center in the Spring turn, you must hold it by having a unit in posession of it in the fall.
For example, let's say Germany attacks France and captures Paris in the Spring. It doesn't officially become a German supply center until after the fall turn, so the German unit will have to defend itself against a French counter attack in the fall.
In your case, if you just wanted to pass through your ally's country without capturing his supply center, that is possible. Just make sure you're not on his supply center after the fall turn. You won't have an ally anymore! ;)
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Originally posted by Tarmac
Glad you learned from that SOB.
Sandman had a concrete plan right from the beginning. Your proposed plan was "kill germany." The lack of a good plan from you made me think you were insincere; while sandman's plan showed thought and dedication to wiping you out. :)
:rofl
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Jeezus... I've been gone about two days and there are eighty messages. You guys are going at a furious pace.
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Hortlund! The clock is ticking!