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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on November 12, 2003, 03:54:38 PM
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Interesting reading!
Similiar to what is happening in Iraq today.
http://www.thecr.blogspot.com/2003_11_01_thecr_archive.html#106848009071168818
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Funny how history repeats itself, in neat variances
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They were doing the same to the russians.
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Shut up Ripsnort!!!!!!!!
Repeat and Remember : BOOSH IS AT FAULT, UNIQUIELY AT FAULT FOR THIS UNPRECEDENTED CLASH OF CULTURES AFER A WAR
Thank you citizen, your reeducation is now complete.
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LOL GRUN.....you forgot...we are in a quagmire now and this is NOT supposed to be happening! Sadam was a great guy who kissed baby's and gave to the poor.
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(http://www.clwoodson.com/images/bushim.jpg)
This is not a quagmire! Our troops have been welcomed with open arms! The war is over and our mission accomplished! There is no insurgency!
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LOL Lance.:rofl
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How many Americans were killed in post-war Germany by Nazis or other insurgents?
ZERO.
Go find some other comparison.
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Originally posted by Montezuma
How many Americans were killed in post-war Germany by Nazis or other insurgents?
ZERO.
Wrong. Read the book "The Last Nazis". Also reference the book called "The Good War", it has a few post-war death stories mentioned in there.
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Originally posted by Montezuma
How many Americans were killed in post-war Germany by Nazis or other insurgents?
ZERO.
Go find some other comparison.
I wonder how many Americans died keeping West Germany alive during the Berlin Blockade? Betcha a million bucks it wasn't "ZERO". Gonna hafta do some research.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I wonder how many Americans died keeping West Germany alive during the Berlin Blockade? Betcha a million bucks it wasn't "ZERO". Gonna hafta do some research.
I think a plane went down during the Berlin airlift. But that was a russian thing, not an insurgent thing.
http://www.konnections.com/airlift/berlin.htm
http://www.usafe.af.mil/berlin/berlin.htm
http://www.usafe.af.mil/berlin/memorial.htm
"Undaunted by several deaths by this time on the 20th of December 1948 "Operation Santa Clause" began to fly gifts to the children of Berlin which totaled close to 10,000 children"
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Originally posted by Sixpence
I think a plane went down during the Berlin airlift. But that was a russian thing, not an insurgent thing.
http://www.konnections.com/airlift/berlin.htm
http://www.usafe.af.mil/berlin/berlin.htm
http://www.usafe.af.mil/berlin/memorial.htm
Seems I recall it was about 60 lost, approx 30 were Americans. Will have to search. The Berlin airlift is not unlike what is happening in Iraq today, in that there are external forces attempting to cripple a nation the US is occupying.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
I think a plane went down during the Berlin airlift. But that was a russian thing, not an insurgent thing.
http://www.konnections.com/airlift/berlin.htm
http://www.usafe.af.mil/berlin/berlin.htm
http://www.usafe.af.mil/berlin/memorial.htm
"A gang of germans mutilated 3 American GI's...."
I suggest you dig deeper. Many of these instances also went unreported as the press wasn't at liberty to report as freely as they are today.
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The Berlin airlift had nothing to do with german insurgents, quite the opposite
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
"A gang of germans mutilated 3 American GI's...."
What does that have to do with the russian blockade of berlin?
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I was correct on the numbers. All that Air Force promotion studying didn't go to waste. ;)
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/postwwii/ba.htm
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But the Berlin blockade has no relevance to the situation in Iraq. There were no germans helping the russians, quite the opposite. Right after the war there was still resistance, but they soon realized it was the American way of life, or the russian way of life. As you can see by the wall that was built, they didn't like the russian way of life.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
But the Berlin blockade has no relevance to the situation in Iraq. There were no germans helping the russians, quite the opposite. Right after the war there was still resistance, but they soon realized it was the American way of life, or the russian way of life. As you can see by the wall that was built, they didn't like the russian way of life.
I think there is a parallel between post war Europe and post war Iraq. The Berlin Airlift was a heroic effort to ensure the freedom of West Germany if not all of Western Europe. Much the same is happening now in the Middle East.
You do realize that that wall you mentioned divided Germany and not just Germany from the USSR right? And it was built by the USSR, not the US.
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But the blockade has no relevance. That is more tied to the cold war.
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Originally posted by AKIron
And it was built by the USSR, not the US.
Exactly
BTW, I believe it devided Berlin, not Germany.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Exactly
BTW, I believe it devided Berlin, not Germany.
Physically it did, practically it divided the East from the West.
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East and West Berlin. Berlin itself was in russian territory.
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I meant THE East and West.
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Again, the east and west was divided, there was no wall there. The wall was to separate east and west berlin.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Again, the east and west was divided, there was no wall there. The wall was to separate east and west berlin.
It did more than that. It was a physical manifestation of incompatible ideologies and was a constant reminder to those of freedom loving nations of the tyranny of communism.
Much like the tyranny found in many Islamic states.
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Germany was divided, as was Berlin.
Berlin had a wall, the two Germanys were separated not by a wall but a series of well guarded fences, lined with mines and retarded dogs.
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But, again, the blockade has no relevance to the situation in Iraq. It's relevance is to the start of the cold war. The berlin airlift won the hearts of the germans. Stalin tried to starve them to death. From then on there were very few(if any) german insurgents against the americans, it was against the russians. You are getting close to comparing the insurgents against the russians to the situation in Iraq. Which has no relevance either.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
What does that have to do with the russian blockade of berlin?
Sorry, I was answering to Montezuma.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Sorry, I was answering to Montezuma.
cc
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
You still have presented no evidence of Americans being killed by Nazi insurgents in post-WW2 Germany.
Slate (http://slate.msn.com/id/2087768/)
Rand Corporation (http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR1753/)
soc.history.world-war-ii (http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&threadm=bj7mjo%2422dg%241%40nntp6.u.washington.edu&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dthe%2Blast%2Bnazis%2BPerry%2BBiddiscombe%2B%2Bgroup:soc.history.war.world-war-ii%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26group%3Dsoc.history.war.world-war-ii%26safe%3Doff%26selm%3Dbj7mjo%252422dg%25241%2540nntp6.u.washington.edu%26rnum%3D1)
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I can't but to look at this thread as a rather desperate try to put false perspective on something which is obvious. Iraq is no Germany. Despite possible similarities, you have quite a different mentality there.
In Iraq you have bunch of poorly educated but determied guys armed with AK-47s and RPG-7s who are willing to fight. Of course it may feel better to pretend they are overpaid foreign mercenaries or Osama's agents, but I believe not. Those are Iraqi people. All their life they have been taught to fight, for generations - no matter of right or wrong. It is simply their tradition. Socialism might have brought some relief of old islamic traditions to Iraqi people, but in no way made them less willing to fight. Think of them as being "bored" without the enemy to fight. In their minds it is very simple to see US as the aggressor and they are fighting back. The US feels that every day and it ain't gonna get any better.
You can't be stubborn against them, because it is their way of thinking. The harder you push them, the harder they'll be coming back at you. You can't reason with them - they want you out. They can't do it against tanks and planes in the open field, so they've adapted. Typical guerilla attacks with relatively minor casualties, but constant and determined. The question is how many bodybags you need unil you realize it.
It is a totally different cultre than US or Germany. You can't buy them with TVs and Coca-Cola. Iran was a good example. Simply, they won't change their way of thinking overnight. Foreign soldiers walkign their streets with guns, speaking different languages aren't helping either.
Now add some imported Arab fanatics who undoubtedly exist, along with agents of Saddam, PLO and what not and the area is anything but "secure".
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yeah right. I bet you anything that article is fake. The Germans in Frankfurt were way too happy to not be under Russian occupation to worry about Americans.