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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Kommandant on November 13, 2003, 11:50:58 PM
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FINALLY! We will be able to do almost real tank battles using the cover of trees. Before you could just turn off Clutter and no trees, well now they are trying to fix it so you have to go around trees, which means you can't shoot through them or make them dissappear which means that they are actual permenant cover. Which really makes it awesome! I wanted to do Cover Tank Battles forever!
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Agree, tank battles will probarly be great. However, trees in R/L don't give any sort of cover (except they are good to hide behind) from high velocity shells.
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Yes they do. You'd be surprised how easily high velocity projectiles are deflected by trees and other "less solid" objects (ever seen bullets ricochet off water?), and even if it hits the target the projectile is probably "upset" and has reduced penetrating power.
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change direction yes, but no tree will stop a high velocity round.
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So what you're saying is, we should just learn to bank our shots off of trees?
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He's saying the AH trees will stop shells unlike irl.
Maybe make them destructible and give them a downtime?
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100 years for a oak tree? :)
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lol Ben :D
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hiding behind is right. and since your using 75 76 and 88mm AP rounds dont think a tree should stop that round and HE rounds will blow up tree first and maybe some minor damage if any . then more shots till tress arent a problem (HE rnd) Well irl some things would be damged from HE hitting tree near tank like turrent mg and more damage to lesser armored GV's but in game i guess you get what can be done as close as possibe to irl and the smaller the AP round the more hits it would need to take out tree. So itis going to be fun inGV reguardless. cant wait to get some in my sights
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I think an AP round would snap a tree in half, to say the least ;)
Mind you, I don't really know what I'm talking about... brady, you know things. Speak up.
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I agree that trees shouldn't be able to totally stop rounds but you should be able to fire through the gaps in trees, especially at the ends. To get a shot on the enemy now you pretty much have to expose yourself. So does he I guess but the enemy may have the drop on me.
Likewise, bombs should be able to penetrate cover on the edges, especially carpet bombing. 1000 lb bombs shouldn't be stopped by a Spruce.
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Not saying it should be able to blow them away, or shoot through them. Just saying, in real life would take MANY meters to stop a high velocity AP bullet from not going through, it may change direction but it will definatly not be stopped by a tree.
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Not saying it should be able to blow them away, or shoot through them. Just saying, in real life would take MANY meters to stop a high velocity AP bullet from not going through, it may change direction but it will definatly not be stopped by a tree.
Otherwise we would have just made tanks out of trees :)
-Sik
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Last summer we had to cut down a 250+ year old oak tree. It took 2 hrs with 48" runners, just to drop and was easily 6 feet thick. If a 75 shell going to go through that, it ain't gunna blow nothin up on the other side.lol.
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Come to think of it tho, it woulda went a lot faster if we used HE shells to drop it.hehe.
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Hey Sarge1,
Howdy neighbor! :)
We're close enough to throw rocks at each other.
I'm in Philadelphia, near Franklin Mills Mall.
Just wanted to give you a shout!
David
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Now your in trouble Sarge, Stracop comin over to throw rocks at you. :)
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Ohhh...I'm a lumber-jack and I'm ok!
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Bumbalicious!
;)
my friend!
David
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how are thinks coming with AH2 as i am well out of date were this game is
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Well,for one thing,i wz a tree surgeon (therefore the name Sawman:D ) it seems that the tree's in here are modeled after a pine tree (the trunks anyway) and believe me,one ap round would fell a tree but then again, you would have the remaining top of the tree to fall ,sometimes on the tank itself,plus u would have the brush to hide behind after it fell,regardless but if you have a 6foot diamater tree it would take a few more round's to fell it,depends on the size of the tree;) .Sawman
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Cool Sawman.
Off topic but ...tree q.
There's a disease hitting the evergreens around here, it hits spruces, pines, i'm yet to see it on cedars or the larch type trees. It starts with a red patch, much like a 'rust' fungus, but it can kill a whole mature pine in a month or two. No signs of beetles and it seems to spread airborne, since there are patches of trees with it a good klmtr. apart.
I did a search but, I have a few candidates . But I am thinking this is a new one, or one thats been dormant brought on by the heat waves we had the last two years, (excluding this summer).
Do you know of any warnings or interest in this by the forest dept.? You have an idea of some diseases I could look into further?
Thanks in advance.
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airbumba,there are alot of deseases/fungus's that affect different type's of pine tree's,( there's alot of different spieces of pine's )altho i'm not too familiar with the northern spieces there's two that come to mind,the Fusiform gall rust (an orange colored rust) or the white pine blister rust (if there are berry bushes around) they need eachother to affect the tree's,,it's wierd,and no there's nothing you can do to stop it if there's no beatles involved (is there ANY dust at the bottom of the tree? if so it's beatles) other then to remove them.
The best advice i can give you is to take a sample to ur nearest university for analysistis:confused: best i can do for ya.. .Sawman
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I think that you should be able to shoot a tree down and it falls over, if anything under gets smashed peding on type of tree. And i think a brush fire or something origanating from a fire fight or something like that would be nice!;)
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A buddy of mine has a video of some very disturbed guy demonstrating different firearms/ammo and what they do to certain objects. He even fires a .50 cal handgun into his own chest (mind you he had a load of phone books stuck under his shirt) to prove that the force won't knock you over like it does in the movies...
Anyway, he fired a .50 cal rifle round through some tree limbs at a cardboard target. Most of the shots hit the target sideways from the tumbling effect after touching a branch. I know, the difference between a .50 cal rifle round and a tank round hitting a branch is dramatic, but I still think a tank round would tumble after contact, making a piercing shot almost impossible. So, *IF* AH2 were to add the proper physics for a shot going through trees I would suspect a kill would rarely happen, the round would slam into the target sideways with no penetration.
~CheezHed {Shilellagh}
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Ok, I've got to see this video.
Not because I don't believe you, but because it sounds cool.
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:eek: wow,,Ive never seen a .50cal handgun, i thought the
357magnum wz the largest handgun????
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Ever heard of the .50 cal Desert Eagle from Isreal?
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Originally posted by CheeseHead
he fired a .50 cal rifle
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He even fires a .50 cal handgun into his own chest to prove that the force won't knock you over like it does in the movies...
Anyway, he fired a .50 cal rifle round through some tree limbs at a cardboard target.
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ah, didnt look close at all of it
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There is no REAL tank battles UNTILL we get the Sherman!
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There is no REAL tank battles UNTILL we get the Sherman!
because the panzer divisions need better K/D ratios
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I was talking to the guys at CRS and they say historically trees are made off 100mm Titanium Composite Chobham Alloy armour.
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Originally posted by mos
So what you're saying is, we should just learn to bank our shots off of trees?
I could see that in AH for some reason, get out a panzer see a M8 about 1.4k away in a forest, just shoot a AP round into the forest, hell its bound to hit his A* soon.
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Allrighty, the M4A1 Ronson, cant WAIT for that. (Saw thing on History channel about hedgerows in Normandy--couldnt drive thru em, couldnt shoot thru em)