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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SKurj on November 02, 2000, 09:54:00 AM
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Last night in the MA (new sfterr map)I watched the whining continue about the ostwind. A player had driven to an enemy field (i believe in this case it was the downhill from 56 to 27) in an osty in support of an attack to capture the base.
He was vulching the aircraft taking off from what I could tell by the complaining. Do you all not remember when a panzer would do this same thing? I remember watching Storm do this ALOT.
With the new map it takes 15 minutes or more to drive to an enemy base, the player that takes the time to drive the distance while the enemy IGNORES him deserves to vulch them!! You can see the marker in sector, and up in a tank or aircraft LONG before he arrives in most cases.(56-27 being the exception).
Frankly I couldn't believe what i saw over channel one. Name calling etc.
There is alot of this whining and abuse going on in the arena. Last night I saw an arguement ensue over a player's plane choice and attack style (gee how unique). The majority of us pay for our entertainment, and as a paying client I should be able to fly what I want, when I want, how I want, within the rules, and not have to listen to this BS.
Some players in the arena have nothing productive or even non derogatory to say. Some of these players take quite abit of fun out of the game. I've flown other online sims, and find the attitude in the MA of AH to be the worst I've seen.
Perhaps a squelch list could be included in the sim. Permitting a player to list all the players they wish to squelch, and is loaded upon connection. I really find this takes alot outta the sim as is.
The 2 week free trial I think also often takes away from the enjoyment at times as well. Constant CAPs across the screen from some brat who just downloaded the sim, and hasn't taken the time to read the help webpages, who likely won't bother subscribing anyways, is just damn annoying. I don't mind helping new players, I find alot of the time I am unable to not help! Perhaps a "tutorial" mode or a quick key reference (like aw) needs to be added for the new players.
Personally I'd like to see a second arena possibly smaller for the 2 week accounts, and an exclusive members arena with additional aspects to encourage the free account players to sign up. Possibly have a limited planeset in the free arena, no naval units once they arrive, or no scoring, just something to entice the freebies to sign on.
I think at least some of the above issues will be supported by the majority of the paying customers and deserve serious consideration.
(off to read complaint filing procedures..)
SKurj
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Are you whining? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
(.squelch 1)
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i guess perhaps I am Rip +)
I'd rather not squelch 1, I'd rather just squelch those pinheads who I feel have nothing but negative to say, even on my own team.
Seriously Rip, what are your thoughts on what I posted?
SKurj
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I agree with what you said Skurj.
I've been guilty at times of also taunting another player, last week Minus for example, but this week I took a pledge to myself and the MOL squad to stop.
Good natured ribbing, like Nuttz asking me "what I've done with the sheep?" is fine (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) but I won't be trying to tweak anyone's nose anymore. If I find I feel like that I'll squelch channel one. If I don't like others yammering on channel one, I'll squelch them.
It's all I think I can do at this time to try and make AH a nicer place to entertain ones self at. And also in light of Pyro's post I'll spam a little less here and try and contribute positively and not with sarcasm or a sword.
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 11-02-2000).]
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Hiya's
I totally agree about the Abuse and Remarks on Radio 1
I too sometimes resort to .Squelch which is a neccesity sometimes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
I am fairly new to the internet 24mths now abouts and cut my teeth in a MS sim and a little CFS and i must admit that in the 18mths i spent in those i can honestly say i had never to suffer any of the moans/whinges/baits/derogatory/shameful and i mean shameful remarks some people like to hurl around in this great sim, I see this as an enjoyment game/sim (omg i said game !!) and at times it makes me feel kinda sick that guys/gals have to resort to pure abuse just to make their point (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Sorta have to feel sorry for people who have to express themselves through horrible remarks/comments/flames
As for new guys/gals not reading the manual i think along this line.... Ohh yeahh i got it d/loaded now let's see what this is all about....Uh ohh i am so eager maybe it's not that hard to get to grips with....Ohh darn it's real tough to get into (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) and no-one seems to have time to help me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) now how many of us have felt like this at times ? i can say i have rushed in (when i first came into beta i had m8s already in here and was fortunate to get advice/help quickly) but lately not many will seem to help any new guy/gal (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) which is sad in a way when in this arena there are so many nice and understanding people who seem to be genuine nice peops (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Sorry for a long post but i just got another piece to add
I feel the more people that help a new guy/gal the more chance there will be of them staying and taking out a sub (not a plug for HTC i swear (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ) thus more resources for HTC to develop more awesome angles to AH and we know so far that awesome is the key word for AH !!!
Sorry Skurj for mainly waffling on about Newbies more than you may of wished to see
Have Fun !!!
Be Good !!!
Take Care !!!
Tit
[This message has been edited by Titanium (edited 11-02-2000).]
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Yup SKurj, I agree with eveyrything you said.
With newbies, I've developed a sense of whether it's a "I am a lazy bum and don't wanna read the manual for a game which I in 20 seconds will call stupid because it models torque and there is no supergod padlock" gamer or a "hm, I wonder how this is done" one.
So, if if its the first, I say "RTFM" and then people call me insensitive, crude and "you were a newbie too boohoo".
I dinnae RTFM that closely, but closely enough to have only a few questions. My whinging was on rip, hristo and others to send me film because I got shot down all the time and wanted to know why the hell they weren't! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
Allied opportunists; thou shalt perish in a sphere of fire!
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://www.angelfire.com/nt/regoch/sig.gif)
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A permanent squelch list would be nice.
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I think we need a Nath arena...similiar to the off line arena. It would be one drone surrounded by others of higher intellect (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Permenant squelch list plz HTC.
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People only want realism if it is sugarcoated. I can assure you real life soldiers squeak all the time, about there equipment, and the enemys. Also as hard as it may be to belive. Soldiers sometimes say a poo poo word.
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MrLars
Originally posted by easymo:
People only want realism if it is sugarcoated. I can assure you real life soldiers squeak all the time, about there equipment, and the enemys. Also as hard as it may be to belive. Soldiers sometimes say a poo poo word.
Soldiers in action and squeaking and cussing go hand in hand. I have yet to meet anybody that saw action make a fool of themselves the way the whiners, squeakers and cussers do in the MA.
Leave real life soldiers out of this...there is NO way you can compaire an online sim to the reality of war as far as peoples public behaviour is concerned.
Lars
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well, some of you need a permanent squelch list , you the superior intelect cant suport to read the poor buger whine, ususlay whine come when cant control the gane event u like to Squelch some of permanently you The Big intelectual you cant read it but you can shot on IT ?????????/
you DONT need Human OPONENT if U asking for SILENCE !!!!
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Minus-
You forget that a permanent squelch list means the filter can be removed.
I vote permanent squelch.
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This whole line makes me think of the following quote:
Obscenity is the crutch of inarticulate motherdiddlyers.
I think that about sums up the situation.
Sisu
-Karnak
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Permanent squelch lives in my hopes and dreams in this game as well. Then I can squelch myself and never have to worry about what I type in the buffer! ;P
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Yes, I sometimes wish for a squelch list as well for those that suffer from rectal-cranial inversion. Squelching 1 takes away an interesting aspect of the game, but sometimes it is just too much. Got some on country channel that would be included to the list as well.
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Apache
=XO= VMF-323 Death Rattlers
VMF 323 Death Rattlers Web Site (http://home.earthlink.net/~bkapache)
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I believe we all have the right to call dweebs and worse names to people who just shot us down, to try to make it sound like I am better than them. I also believe name calling is a right.
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It is also your right to eat a plate full of your own defecation, but I seriously doubt that you would do it(in public).
Lizking
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Originally posted by minus:
you DONT need Human OPONENT if U asking for SILENCE !!!!
So you only fly online to voice your opinions in front of an audience?
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How about a 2 minute muting after being killed? Prevent the spontaneous responses typed while in the chute or in the tower. Then you eliminate the need to defend the response.
AKDejaVu
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AKDejaVu,
I like to salute my opponent after the fight. Frequently I have to refer to his kill award in order to get his name right. Two minutes would scroll it off the list.
I see what you're saying, but it would adversely effect non-garbage mouths as well.
Sisu
-Karnak
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I agree with the most of what you said Skurj...
HTC writes on the front page...
New users get a free two week trial of our premium subscription service - no strings attached.
No credit card number or payment is required for your two week trial.
Since I read this sentence I have thought Why? What do HTC get out of permitting people without International Ccreditcard to log on to main arena? I think two of the really important reasons why many people dont pay for AcesHigh are:
1) They dont have an international creditcard, maybe they have a national/local credit card which HTC cant use. Maybe they are too young to have an international creditcard.
2) They are genarally reluctant/afraid (or their parents are)to use creditcard on intenet.
My point is: These people would probably never sign up for a paid account anyway. Why give them the option to fly in main, when they have free 8-player to fly in and get ready for the day they have access to a credit card.
My suggestion is that people who wants the free trial, should giver their creditcard information to HTC. The 14 days would still be free but only if shows his serious intentions by showing the creditcard.
Also it would stop the abuse of the free trial, that has been going on for so long. A guy who wants to stay on free trials for the rest of his life, can do it by using his friends e_mail adresses or by getting an ISP with unlimited number of E-mail adresses.
But if he wants to do the same with creditcards he would soon run out of options.
This little change would solve many problems with one blow I think, please consider it Pyro.
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GrinBird
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I always squelch 1, it's the first thing I do when I log in. I've done this since I first started playing, last year. If I notice someone constantly adding 5,000 "?" marks after every question, I'll squelch him too. People who ask a few questions I've never minded, and I'll always try to help them. Then you've got people who downloaded the game, cranked it, and logged straight into the arena. One guy I met in the TA was kind enough to go there instead of in the main. He didn't even know how to land.
My personal gripe is those who insist on sending a join request every 15 seconds. Last night I had a perfect shot on a 205, but this moron shot me a join request. Blocked my vision, ruined my shot, and got me fairly frustrated. I squelched him, but he continued sending me join requests. After nearly a year of playing this game, this is the ONLY time I nearly swapped sides to shut an idiot up. Instead of doing that, I logged out.
I prefer to fly with the pro's on my side. They know what they're doing and are a damn good reference when you've got a question. In the case of Tin Horns, I have to repeat what Santa said..."RTFM!". Since we don't have a manual yet, they should read a few web pages about it. Or at least restrict themselves to the TA until they've learned the ropes.
Deja, that would more of a hinderance than a help. Usually after getting shot down I'll tell everyone what was going on before it happened. This keeps people up to date on what's happening at A7, for example.
I'm all for a permanent squelch list. Sometimes when I log in there's 5 or 6 people I'm going to squelch. Would save me some time.
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Flakbait
Delta 6's Flight School (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6)
"My art is the wings of an aircraft through the skies, my music the deep hum of a prop as it slices the air, my thrill the thunder of guns tearing asunder an enemy plane."
Flakbait
19 September 2000
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I have never squelched because of a sniviling twit. I squelch because the text updates so rapidly I miss the good stuff from my squadies.!
If I am flying along and not much going on, I read the crap on Channel 1 alot. Nothing better for the soul than a good laugh!!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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(.squelch dbcooper)
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Flakbait..I can identify with your story about the "join request". I haven't been playing AH long, and one day right in the middle of heated 1vs1, a "join request" pops up right in the middle of my screen. I couldn't see a thing and frantically pounded my Enter key only to cause myself to bail out (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.
bowser
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Anyone, who shot you in AH do you a favour. He shows you that you still need to learn how to fly, and there are always some people who fly better. <S> them, they desirve it.
Anyone, who starts shouting on those who killed him in AH lose such a great opportunity to improve himself, and only thing I feel toward him is pity.
If you do not like this logic, use squelch.
And yes, squelch list is a good thing, and it shall be easy to implement. There are, probably, some reasons for HTC not to do such, though I do not understand it. May be someone of HTC will explain while this feature still not in the game? Really, pls., it probably will make number of unhappy people lower.
Fariz
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I have often thought that channel 1 should be "squelched" by default and must be "unsquelched" to access it.
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"Hind tit suckin whiners. Begone with yah!"
Hangtime
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I like the squelch idea. I usually squelch 1 if the conversations get somewhat unpleasant, and then quickly unsquelch so I can bother Shamus. hehee
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Harmless thread hijacking...
Have you guys ever had someone send you a join request when you are flying a c47? After you explain to them they won't be able to do anything; they still want to join. Now two minutes later, "How do I get out of here!!!" Then you say, "You can't until we land." I had this happen to me back in tour 1. I haven't accepted a gunner (except my CO) since then.
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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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I have a question. I am new to the game, and actually I have a problem that hasn't let me try it out yet, but if an enemy Flakpanzer is at your airfield and whacking your planes on take off. Why didn't one of the pilots at that field change to a Tank and wax him Good? I mean a Panzer versus a osterwind would not be a good match. Instead of complaing why didn't someone take him out?
UncleBuck
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Unclebuck, then there'd be nothing to complain about. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
cyas
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If only .squelch wife could be implemented
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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it only takes me 35 sec's to drive from 56 to 27 <it's down hill "100mph panzers and ostwinds>>get ther fast> how about you ???
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i can honestly say ive never squelched anyone.If someone rants at me i'll argue it out or appologise if i feel i over reacted etc.People have tempers etc and this game can make you mad so i think you have to live with it.
As for credit card holders only I dont think thats a good idea.I actually got a credit card so i could play (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) but i would never have tried AH if not for the 2 week trial.
I now blame HTC for making me join the debt rat race (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I think anyone who constantly rants on channel 1 is soon ignored anyway.If people are argueing on channel 1 I'll ignore them unless my name is mentioned, simple as that.
hazed
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Ahh I see. Well that makes it clear lol. I guess this game has it's share of Fighter snobs. I say this in an affectionate way. These are the guys that will not play with anything in a game except the glamour birds. I have played in several other online games and see this often. Hey it is there dollar and they can do what they wish, but when they complain about it when there is a simple and most satisfying way to end the threat, well they are just wrong. Oh well I would like to say that even without playing yet, damn Bill Gates and all of his Minions, I like the tone of this Message group more than another forum I have seen.
UncleBuck
AKA VTAS_VLAD,AOD_UncleBuck