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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: BlckMgk on November 14, 2003, 04:58:49 PM
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I'm just tired of thier in ability to do anything. Spent my entire day trying to work out some printer problems, using Internet Explorer (which I and the two companies I spoke with today, concluded was the culprit) So I proceed to find a contact number for Microsoft and its a $254 DOLLAR CHARGE TO SPEAK WITH A F-KIN TECH SUPPORT AGENT!!!! Over priced BUGGY P.O.S. SOFTWARE! AND ON TOP OF THAT I HAVE TO PAY FOR SUPPORT!!! BS!!!
::Takes a deep breath:::
Think I'm going to become a MAC person... Will AH2 work with MAC? All these fluff'n viruses through Outlook etc... please lets boycott Micrsoft... who's with me! (I wish it was that easy just to switch) Grrrrrrrrrrr....
-BM
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MS does suck.... but what can you do?
If macs where any good wouldnt they have more then like 2% of the market? wouldn't bestbuy sell mac software?
Best thing about macs? There early O/S was so bad they had to go to unix to get true multitasking!!
Oh and mac users are the worst. I think they give out Imacs to you when you register democrat, and or buy a yellow new VW beetle.
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HAHAHAHA!..
Ok.. then a Linux man I will become
I think MAC doesn't have more of a share is because every other software is made for MS.. I've heard some friends who program, and do graphic design in MACs and (they say) they're 10x's more stable. If there is an error the MAC OS doesn't crash, it gives options to actually resolve the problem.. no Blue screen of death etc...
Plus I'd like to take a guess that 50% of those who buy computers doesn't know about MAC, or would be to afraid to move to MAC, because they probably even don't know how to use MS in the first place!.. I know plenty of people who don't know how to use their computer... me included (And I know how to program C++, VB .NET)
-BM
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Who made the printer?
I hate to defend MS, but the bottom line is that it is still , by far, the best OS ever built. Sure it has problems, but look at the reality of what we ask it to deal with:
How many different HW manufacturers are there, and how many different models of each piece do they have?
How many SW companies are there, each with a multitude of versions available?
The possible configurations is several THOUSAND multiples of the total amount of ATOMS in the frikin universe, my friend. The miricale is that it works at all.
Also, I guess you are too young to remember DOS, and the nightmare of HW/SW installs that that robust OS entailed.
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Blck
The Mac used to have a pretty large software base, it dropped off cause it is not profitable for many company to develop mac stuff if it is only going to sell to a few people.
yeah that are more stable. But it is much easier to be stable when the only maker of mac hardware (for the most part) is apple. Trust me though they are not perfect and you will run into bugs there as well. Just no as many. You pay a high price for that as well.
Oh and beware. Your Wrist muscles will get really weak and you may get a lisp.
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Gad
I agree with ya. Microsoft is OK, what pisses me off is all the anti Piracy crap in XP, otherwise a great O/S.
MMMMM dos.... the not so good old days.
do I need exstended or exspanded ram?
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Face reality Microsoft is the best show in town, and always will be.
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Microsoft's support is expensive but it's also very good. I've never had to stay on hold for more than few minutes for them either. I've been on hold for 1-2 hours for tech support with some other companies.
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I've heard mac is better but I've only heard complaints from those using it. (my union has a mac system). maybe the problem is crappy software but since they are limitted in options.
as I see it, macs ar ethe betamax of the computer world. beta was a better format mut nobody owned it, so nobody made videos in it, so nobody bought the machine.
so buy the better machine and have 4 movies to choose from, or buy the same problems everyone else has and choose between thousands of movies to watch.
btw- since xp I've been running 2 years without a major crash. used the auto restore thing maybe 4 times, but no format and no lost data.
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MAC did it to themselves, every thing was propriatary, if you wanted a MAC you had to buy MAC keyboard, MAC monator, MAC printer, MAC scanner, MAC software, MAC mouse, and Apple now admits they over charged for all their stuff.
years ago i bought a cannon color printer, a co-worker (who had a MAC) bought the same printer except his said Apple and he paid $100 more than i did for mine.
apple=good hardware, bad business plan.
MS now codes most of apple software.
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Ok guys huddle up...now who knows how to create an operating system? Huh? Ah? Hmm? Ok, I will keep using Windose, until some gaming people want to get together, and make some real money.
Thorns
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Why does microsoft insist on keeping some services enabled and give hardly no option to disable?
Like what do I do with a crappy RPC port for example?
Most people doesn't do one thing.
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Anyone who hates MS should delete all their MS software and vow never to use MS products again :)
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You might want to call you printer manufacturer.
Hooligan
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Oh, I hate MS and the devil incarnate, Bill Gates. But his software is powerful and the best out there.
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BM,
Maybe you're looking in the wrong place. Indeed, this post could go in the Hardware/Software forum. I'll grant you that folks like MS may take a purist view and not be able to help you if your system is not built in their image.
The best place to come for support is somewhere like the Hardware/Software forum on this and other bulletin boards. In 1994, I baulked at adding a new hard drive to my 486. But now, as a result of adding new hardware for game upgrades, I've learned a lot. And I learned a lot from the folks in the various HS forums so that now, like many others, I can build a complete system from scratch, and am rarely stumped at solving problems like the ones you describe.
So I agree with you. F--- Microsoft - as far as getting support for a problem. I have never called them once! But their software is OK. Think back to the way things were 10 years ago. Remember how to install an app, you had to copy files to a directory, some files went somewhere else, then you had to modify the directory path - all those tedious amendments to CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT... we're largely free of that these days, and it's fair to say that this has come about because of Microsoft.
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http://www.freebsd.org/
http://www.slackware.com/
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Love mac, hate ms..
Only reason for me to build a new win puter is for ah, and its only getting a small drive for ah and win2k. Rest of the puter is going to run on freebsd.
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I share an office with a bunch of Mac sales people.
Mac is just BSD Unix with their own GUI these days.
Mac is about 2 years behind the PC in a lot of functionality and software from a technical perspective. Small things become big things which become expensive. Simple stuff like sharing non-postscript printers, VPN clients etc.
The underlying Unix kernel is extremely capable but Apple do some stupid stuff.
Take for example DVD rewriters. Many Macs have had +/- units shipped in them, but Apple 'unsupported' the DVD+R/W format to force users to use DVD-R/W.
Mac's are also landing in the world of security updates. Those fediddleers sit there all day hogging bandwidth with their fediddleed up TCP/IP stack downloading patches. Likewise the hackers/virus writers have caught up with the fact OSX is BSD Unix and are starting to get active. Unfortunately many Mac users are so arrogant about the Mac's "superiority" they don't use Virus checkers.
Mac people also tend to live in a world with blinders on.
Like Windozes, theres a lot of good in the Mac world AND a lot of bad. Grass is always greener...
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I use both mac and windoze about 50/50 but i prefer mac except for the lack of game support and the price of software and hardware. So im gonna use the new pc for gaming and the mac for the stuff that really matters.
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I have this theory. In Bill Gates' bedroom is a red button under glass. If one were to push this button, it would send a signal to every computer in the world with a MS program on it and erase everything in that computer. And every night, Gates comes in and fondles that button, knowing that he could bring the entire world to its knees.
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In defense of MS. I like them to no end... When the problem exceeds my ability and the boss says to call MS (we have premier support contract) I hang up with a solution 95% of the time. Instead of bashing MS why don't talk about your problem... Instead of showing everyone your other problems...
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You are absolutly right Microsoft must die - this big monopole should be deleted like a file.
Viva Linux - BTW there is someone who runs AH on linux - serious.
If my modem would be supported for Linux too and not only for MS Wins.... Hate Microsoft.
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Originally posted by BlckMgk
F--- Microsoft!
-BM
Ewww! who would want to get laid by microsoft? Day they make things that don't suck is the day they make vaccums!!
Well then, I guess the BJ would be allright.:p
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ROFL hawk :D
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Yeah Artik, I've run AH under Linux natively using WineX with no problems at all assuming you've got modern hardware.
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Originally posted by BlckMgk
I'm just tired of thier in ability to do anything. Spent my entire day trying to work out some printer problems, using Internet Explorer (which I and the two companies I spoke with today, concluded was the culprit) So I proceed to find a contact number for Microsoft and its a $254 DOLLAR CHARGE TO SPEAK WITH A F-KIN TECH SUPPORT AGENT!!!! Over priced BUGGY P.O.S. SOFTWARE! AND ON TOP OF THAT I HAVE TO PAY FOR SUPPORT!!! BS!!!
::Takes a deep breath:::
Think I'm going to become a MAC person... Will AH2 work with MAC? All these fluff'n viruses through Outlook etc... please lets boycott Micrsoft... who's with me! (I wish it was that easy just to switch) Grrrrrrrrrrr....
-BM
It's not the OS...it's your printer....standard answer for companies who have hardware probs is to blame Bill....typical.
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Originally posted by Sundiver
Yeah Artik, I've run AH under Linux natively using WineX with no problems at all assuming you've got modern hardware.
Do you need DRI setup to run AH? Or maybe just better preformance with DRI?
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If by DRI you mean, Direct Rendering Infrastructure? I dunno. I just know it runs okay on WineX over oh, I dunno...2.7 or above?
I'm not sure if anyone's managed to get it running using normal Wine or not.
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a reminder of MAC
Mac Commercial (http://www.ancientspear.com/mac.wmv)
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
a reminder of MAC
Mac Commercial (http://www.ancientspear.com/mac.wmv)
LOL
To Funny! Thanks Skull..
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Originally posted by Sundiver
If by DRI you mean, Direct Rendering Infrastructure? I dunno. I just know it runs okay on WineX over oh, I dunno...2.7 or above?
I'm not sure if anyone's managed to get it running using normal Wine or not.
Ya I did mean Direct Rendering Infrastructure ... only probem with DRI is, I found out it's not setup for my radeon 9500 doh! Hope they get there soon...
Is the only place to download WineX free CVS at sourceforge(officaly anyway)?
Bleeding edge as they say...Prefer a stable build if I can find one
They seem to want money or something at the main WineX page, kinda defeats the whole point.
Tnx for the info Sundiver
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the entire fun of windows is keeping it from crashing...that and most software is made for windows...
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There is absolutely no way Windows is the best out there.
Its simply the industry standard. They got their name out by creating a better PC OS (DOS) than was currently out. Then the Mac ripoff, the original Windows.
That was the day in age where the majority of people were computer illiterate (the only thing that has changed is those people now claim they are computer literate), and so they went with the name brand - just like clothing.
You know why they need the CCNA certifications? Because there are few networking people in management positions so they go with the name brand (M$), and its the only way they would ever sell their server OS software.
-SW
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F*** Microsoft for ever then, I can't stand it either. Only use it for games. Everything else I boot up using Linux Red Hat 9, great OS can only get better.
Look forward to the day when I can bin MS for good.
...-Gixer
~Hells Angels~
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Is Red Hat still available?
Thorns
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
a reminder of MAC
Mac Commercial (http://www.ancientspear.com/mac.wmv)
And that brought back memories. Damn.
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(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_158_1067168320.jpg)
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"Then the Mac ripoff, the original Windows."
and Mac riped off Xerox ... Xerox invinted the GUI and the Mouse, and about half the computer world..... :D
Too bad they didn't capitalize on it .... "The moneys in copiers .. I'm telling ya"
"Look forward to the day when I can bin MS for good"
Not only that (I look forward to it too) ..I want to be able to configure a system for computer Illitrate freinds and family. Have it easier to use than Linux is currently.... Like in Windows it is easy to install programs.... packages and modueles, etc can be tricky in Linux still...
To really beat windows.....It needs it to more automated (bug free[er]) but still with that underlaying linux freedom
So anyone know about WineX and them chargeing for it or CVS?