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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Wanker on August 15, 2000, 08:05:00 AM
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Ok, now I know most of us understand that we're all here to discuss AH and have fun, but this is what I received from BigJim last night via email:
Probably will fly Thrusday nite and I can come to Minn and kick you bellybutton too if ya like your not that far away and I am tire of your and amazinhunk attitude.
BigJim, all I have to say to you is this: I do not take kindly to threats to me or anyone else on this board. I will be forwarding a copy of this email to Pyro, and I'm prepared to go to the police of your home town if you continue to threaten me.
You've gone far beyond the scope of this BBS by personally threating me with physical violence, and I want everyone here to know about it. I will not be corresponding with you via email, and I will forward any email from you in the future to the police.
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(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) You are both good friends of mine, I would hope that you two can work something out.
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Unbelievable. All this over a disagreement of opinions?
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 08-15-2000).]
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Please, guys, next time something like this happens, deal directly with Pyro and skip the BBS.
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Ripsnort,
You know BigJim?
I'm sorry, but in today's society, I do not take things like this lightly.
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I always had my own opinions about this "bigjim"...
But wow I didnt thought he was SO amazinhunk as he is showing last days... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/redface.gif)
And with that message he says it all about himself. banana I agree with you. Just one mail more from him, any threat any ANYTHING and go to the police.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Please, guys, next time something like this happens, deal directly with Pyro and skip the BBS.
I disagree Ripsnort. If he is threating banana with physical violence and he then receives a mail from pyro telling about it,next time with another guy may NOT warn him.
I think we all have the right to know the kind of people we are dealing with. And if he threatens that way I think we all have the right to know it.
S! banana. I agree on you posting this.
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COME ON GUYS, WHEN YOU START CALLING NAMES YOU'VE JUST LOWERED YOURSELF TO THEIR STANDARDS, PLEASE KNOCK IT OFF!
PYRO, PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD!
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This better be a good excuse BigJim.
Somebody give me a good reason that HTC shouldn't ban him from the BBS and the game?
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LOL physical violence???? That was an offer to fly against him on a Lan head to head as opposed to a net work situation, but glad to see what kind of "brave" materiel banana is made of.
Hell I have seen worse "threats" posted here on the board, I send him an e-mail cause I didn't want to start a flame war on the board and he runs like a little girl to the board and makes wild accusations.
Well so be it, if that constitues a "threat" and HTC wants me to leave fine, BTW whoever made a threat with the words "if ya want" tagged on the end LOLOLOL
banana seems abit overwrought, I guess maybe if he was less caustic with his posts he wouldn't be so paranoid.
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BigJim, all I have to say to you is this: I do not take kindly to threats to me or anyone else on this board. I will be forwarding a copy of this email to Pyro, and I'm prepared to go to the police of your home town if you continue to threaten me.
This incident (and what might happen) could give us years of speculation and discussion about lawful right to use guns as home protection in US. Lets see what happens.
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jochen
Jagdflieger JG 2 'Richthofen' Aces High
Geschwaderkommodore (on leave) Jagdgeschwader 2 'Richthofen' (http://personal.inet.fi/cool/jan.nousiainen/JG2) Warbirds
T-34/76 to Aces High!
Ladysmith wants you forthwith to come to her relief
Burn your briefs you leave for France tonight
Carefully cut the straps of the booby-traps and set the captives free
But don't shoot 'til you see her big blue eyes
[This message has been edited by Jochen (edited 08-15-2000).]
[This message has been edited by Jochen (edited 08-15-2000).]
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RIP, I dont think a warning to other players about a guy who is prone to threats of physical violence is out of hand for this board.
Rather, I think a player who issues such threats is out of hand for the game. It is just a game.
I also think it is the moderators job to decided what should and shouldnt be posted, and when to close a thread.
Just my thoughts,
Dago
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Dago, I respect your opinion, its just 11 years of BB's I've seen these things get WAY out of hand, thus degradating our entire community.
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Dago, I respect your opinion, its just 11 years of BB's I've seen these things get WAY out of hand, thus degradating our entire community.
I dont think that your baiting in AGW about WB going out of business before december improves any community. Just and thought.
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jochen
Jagdflieger JG 2 'Richthofen' Aces High
Geschwaderkommodore (on leave) Jagdgeschwader 2 'Richthofen' (http://personal.inet.fi/cool/jan.nousiainen/JG2) Warbirds
T-34/76 to Aces High!
Ladysmith wants you forthwith to come to her relief
Burn your briefs you leave for France tonight
Carefully cut the straps of the booby-traps and set the captives free
But don't shoot 'til you see her big blue eyes
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Jochen, we all don't agree with each other, thus discussions that heat up on BB's...I am no means an angel, but I fall far short of ever threatening someone, however, I think these threads of threat, counter-threat, etc. etc. are not good....just my opinion.
The bait post was just that, bait, and a salute to the WB's community if you bothered to read it.
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BigJim,
Your email suggested nothing less than coming to Minnesota and "kicking my ass", which anyone would interpret as a threat of physical violence.
I'm willing to forget about this as long as I never hear from you again, either via email or in person.
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The bait post was just that, bait, and a salute to the WB's community if you bothered to read it.
Yes I did read it and I must honestly say I can't see it as an salute to WB community.
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jochen
Jagdflieger JG 2 'Richthofen' Aces High
Geschwaderkommodore (on leave) Jagdgeschwader 2 'Richthofen' (http://personal.inet.fi/cool/jan.nousiainen/JG2) Warbirds
T-34/76 to Aces High!
Ladysmith wants you forthwith to come to her relief
Burn your briefs you leave for France tonight
Carefully cut the straps of the booby-traps and set the captives free
But don't shoot 'til you see her big blue eyes
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A picture of a fishing lure, and the message "Zzzzzzz <Ripsnort draws the line tight> Have a good week-end!!...."
Guess you have no sense of humor Jochen, thats sad...
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 08-15-2000).]
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BTW it was nice to see the "Lynch Mob" forming before I had a chance to state my side of things. I can understand the folks from outside the U.S. who may not enjoy the "rights" of Americans, but the U.S. guys should know that BOTH sides need to be heard in public form before passing judgement
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Since when does the general public in the US wait to hear both sides before passing judgement??? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
SOB
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namecalling deleted
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banana,
First not defending BIGJIM,
Second be careful when you make a threat to call his local police about threat on a bbs this can and most likely backfire in your face and creat legal problems for yourself if you would call more then once. The police due take notice of threats on the internet but in the case of this BBS and the type of post BIgjim puts up it wont go far. I know, I work for the Police.
THIRD, as early post have stated. Please keep posts of this nature off the BBS. Deal with Pyro directly and most likely Pyro won't due much because this is something between you two that orginated offline with a email. If he said this on-line then this is a problem that Pyro needs to be concerned with. Sorry don't mean to be thorn on this but this is reality, Pyro is not a parent and cannot afford to get involved in personal issues of its consumers or it could due major damage to Hitechcreations if it went legal.
Finally,
Squelch him if he is annoying.
Gorf
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Gorf is right,
If it happened in email, Pyro has no control or say over what happens. In the game or on the BBS is a different matter.
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I tell ya what! I'll lend my services to this little conflict.
I'll come over there to, what is it, Minnasota, Michigan, Illinois, what ever!
I'll let both of you kick the crap out of me, get me arrested, so ya both feel better.
Just doing my best to ensure this community is a pleasant place to live.
Thank You! Thank You Very Much!!
BigJim, I hardly ever see ya here on the BBS, until recently. Just wondering, are ya having a bad tour? Seems like you have been edgy lately. Not a flame. Just concerned! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I still love all you guys!!!!
Oh! Speaking of bad tours. Look at mine! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) But I am having a great time.
BTW 13th TAS! Where were you guys Sunday night. I ended up getting my bellybutton whooped by enemy pilots I barely knew. I feel much better getting an bellybutton whoopin from you guys!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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There seems a "rush to judgement" here.
My first question would be to banana: Is that the entire text of the E-Mail?
Second question would be to Jim: What did you actually send him <would you post it all>?
NOW..not asking for either of these things to be done.
But I sure wouldn't be building the gallows and stretching the rope until we had AT LEAST that much info.
Any of you US guys recall the phrase "innocent until PROVEN guilty?"
Peace, my brothers!
...and no, I don't know Big Jim at all..rah! rah! rah! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by Jochen:
This incident (and what might happen) could give us years of speculation and discussion about lawful right to use guns as home protection in US. Lets see what happens.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA!!!!!!!!
Speculate all you want. Fortunately the U.S. isn't subject to your opinion OR speculation.
Now why don't you post something relevant to the BBS.
Mav
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Toad he posted the E-mail in toto, there was nothing more and nothing less, a closer reading of the text would or should bear out my previous explanation. banana just chose to ignor the flying and try to make an "ominous threat" out of it, in reflextion knowing what banana is and how he NEEDS group protection to hide behind I should not have sent him an e-mail. This just an attempt by him to try and "hang" me in public cause he doesn't have guts enough to e-mail me back with his problems (which I would gladly explained to him in private)
anyhow I will never e-mail, speak or otherwise concerm myself with him or some of the OTHERS here who are of the same ilk.
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Toad said:
My first question would be to banana: Is that the entire text of the E-Mail?
Yes, that is the complete text. I will forward the email to you if you really want to read it yourself.
Do you really think he was merely challenging me to a LAN AH duel?
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Well, BigJim's grammar has sure improved.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime
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Well....er.....call me stupid if you like but I took BigJims 'kick your ass' as a challenge to fly. Maybe it was just cos it was straight after a statement that he'd be flying that night......maybe it's cos I'm British and dont speak American.
Really banana, you're over-reacting. You 2 funked. Mellow out guys, come to Holland and I'll roll you a 12" joint.
Swoop
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LOL swoop that'll fix em right up (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by Swoop:
Mellow out guys, come to Holland and I'll roll you a 12" joint.
Swoop
WOOOO HOOOO, Coming Baby! Oh, wait, I'm old and married with kids now...got any bottled water I can party with?
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SOB IS going to kick my bellybutton at the con, so what? (Although, it would be nice to beat up by someone with money though, I hear Thrustmaster didn't give out a huge layoff package.)
Im just bringing my karate gear for the CRUD game, will save stitches to my head.
Speaking of which, are bottles allowed in the con room? I'll be needing a helmet or a chicken wire monitor adaptor then cuz killing chutes could be unpopular.
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Swoop, America has one of the most violent societies in the world. I don't think I'm overreacting.
I'm not a scholar on the U.S. constitution, but the first amendment gives us the right of "freedom of speech". Laws have since been passed, however, that do not give you the right to threaten someone with death or bodily injury. In fact, I think it's a felony, isn't it(any lawyers in the house?)?
I hope BigJim(or anyone else) who feels the need to vent his anger or frustration on someone else by sending a threatening email will think about the consequences before doing so.
Before all of this, BigJim was nothing to me than a guy posting on this BBS whom I did not exactly see eye-to-eye with. Go back and read some of my repsonses to him. Do any of them justify a threat to do bodily harm?
Are we all going to start threatening to beat each other up(or worse) if we don't happen to agree on something?
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Originally posted by Creamo:
(Although, it would be nice to beat up by someone with money though, I hear Thrustmaster didn't give out a huge layoff package.)
Who works (worked) for TM? I used to beta test for them in my spare time back in the early 90's, if you have a name, give it to me Creamo, I have some questions for the feller...thanks!
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The infamous SOB but of course. Not sure what all he did, it was probably useless. Cleaned the bathrooms there most likaley.
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I think this is more of a misunderstanding of a poorly composed email than anything else. Never assume a person will "read into" a message. Always be as specific as possible. As it seems human nature to take thing in a worse light than what is normally meant. Never use sarcasm or harsh language in an email unless you mean specifically what is being written or explain yourself completely before closing the email.
Just my 2 cents!
Now you two kiss and make up. (Or duel in the SEA for a while.)
Terror
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A fella in Air Warrior threatened me with physical violence not once, but twice during unrelated incidents. To make matters even more bizarre, he did so 1) on the official Kesmai message boards and 2) in the unofficial community newsgroup.
Nothing ever happened to him. I no longer play Air Warrior.
A community that has within its power the capacity to control such abherent behavior -- and does NOT -- deserves such individuals. Vote with your feet or wallets if nothing is done here.
-- Todd/DMF
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How can you play AH over a LAN?
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In Montana if you shoot somebody from a covered wagon its still legal, and I just threw a tarp over my Ford pinto . COME AND GET SOME !!
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So it really is true somebody still has a Pinto ?
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Notice that banana keeps beating the drum EVEN tho I have taken time to explain my intent, I guess he wishes it was true more that the facts indicate. I agree I should have been more explicite in my e-mail I guess but that's water over the dam. He holds himself out as a blameless by-stander put upon by some mad man, but his caustic post in another thread prompted my e-mail which he blithly dismisses. In fact in a veiled way he threatened me in that post with his clever "wink" to someone, as if they had me picked out as a squad hunt or something. I am not one to "run away" or be "cowed" by self appointed demegog's so I sent him the e-mail. Since I have posted my intent of the e-mail he continue's to ignore that and keeps beating the "threat" drum, so you all be the judge of who is and is not harming the community. I after all I wanted to keep it private, it is banana who wished to drag you all in with HIS interpretation of what I ment, he didn't even have the courtesy to e-mail back his concerns to me but rather immediately jumped to conclusions which were unfounded in my view, I hear "I am going to kick your ass" everday on channel 1 I guess those guys are all madmen too??? Funked is right about one thing, one of us IS sick and it ain't me.
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EHHHH guys maybe that USA has one of the most violent societies in the world. if u wona see violent societie come to POLAND !
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Ok, BigJim, no more beating the drum. I've said my peace to you, and I will not enter into any discussions with you on this BBS or anywhere else.
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BigJim, against my better judgement I will accept your excuse. I edited my post above.
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he has the whole world
in his hands
he has the whole world
in his hands
he has the whole world
in his hands
he has the whole world in his hands
he has you and me brother
in his hands
he has you and me brother
in his hands
he has you and me brother
in his hands
he has the whole world in his hands
he has banana and BigJim
in his hands
he has banana and BigJim
in his hands
he has banana and BigJim
in his hands
he has the whole world in his hands
let it go guys, or i'll sing some more.
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wolf37
C.O.
THUNDER BIRDS
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Things are getting ridiculous around here lately. BigJim, I don't what's gone on in your life over the past week or so, but something is obviously amiss. This is supposed to be entertaining. What's the point if you come here with a chip on your shoulder? Give it a rest if needed, but don't burn your bridges over unrelated things if that's the case.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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wahh wahh wahh blah blah blah.
haha what a post I just hit 300
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"..he shoots fire out of his eyes and lightning bolts out of his arse..."
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How many posts will this give me?
Yeager
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Pyro I guess you are right, I don't post much and lately it has not been in the best vein, for that I apologize. Sometimes in the "heat of battle" one loses sight of the forest because of the trees. I guess the best policy is not to post ANYTHING for awhile and let things go back to normal. "you are either part of the problem or part of the solution" I prefer to be part of the latter
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Originally posted by Pyro:
Things are getting ridiculous around here lately. <SNIP> This is supposed to be entertaining. What's the point if you come here with a chip on your shoulder? <SNIP>
Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Please, guys, next time something like this happens, deal directly with Pyro and skip the BBS.
[Milenko Joker mode off]
I have to agree, I pay $30 a month to enjoy myself, when I find myself getting worked up about something in or with the game, I reach out and hit the "OFF" button.
It seems ridiculous to me that anyone would spend $30 a month to be pissed off, hell, my wife will do it for free, I sure don't have to pay to have someone piss me off.
Although, it does kinda remind me of the Monty Python Flying Circus skit, where a guy pays for an arguement.
People are assaulted everyday, (ASSAULT defined as Threatened) and as much as I deplore the fact, I'd prefer that I not be witness to it on this board.
Please resolve your problems in a mature, civilized manner.
It is unfortunate however, that many people grow great big brass balls on the internet, and say things that if in a 1v1 up close and personal situation they would refrain from, but it is a fact of the cyberworld, and something we all just have to deal with.
I really think it is unfair to this community that we should have to sit in audience on this matter. Which NEVER should have gotten this far.
[Milenko Joker mode on]
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Never mind. I sent it in private.
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DrSoya
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF [AH]
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the last time I use the expression "his bellybutton is mine". I was accused of looking for a date.
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I think they should go into seperate rooms and quietly kick their own asses! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Now wasn't there a flying sim around here???
Mav
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hmmm, so much for the theory that we are all responsible adults. I'm gonna tell that guy he is wrong now.
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JERRY JERRY JERRY JERRY JERRY JERRY!!!!
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Wolf your up
He has his what in his hand ???
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In holland it is frontpage news when somebody get's killed in a gunfight.
Or somebody get's shot without a reason.
Glad we can't walk around here with gun's
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And Swoop come to my place i make a big joint for u. It's so much more healty than alcohol.
So why u american BIGjim think that outside the usa thing's aren't resarched from 2 sides
Man ur totally wrong we have over 10 political party's here.
we look at it, when we can at more than 2 sides.
Too bad we can get this agressive here.
we should all be friends with the same interests (flying). Loook around did u find a chap in ur neighbourhood with the same addiction as u have, well i can't find anyone.
It is not bad too have some ego and testoron in ur blood it makes u alert and pushes u too hone ur flying skills but. there is a border to set it asside and where u just think that it is a game.
come too holland and learn soberness (not making it greater than it is)
also here are no racial problems and that says something too. Black and white goes very good along here. Maybe because we look at it from more sides. point out
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Speculate all you want. Fortunately the U.S. isn't subject to your opinion OR speculation.
Now why don't you post something relevant to the BBS.
But it was only a ripsnortish joke! I thought all would be rolling on the floor laughing... Some sense of humour challenged folks around here.
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jochen
Jagdflieger JG 2 'Richthofen' Aces High
Geschwaderkommodore (on leave) Jagdgeschwader 2 'Richthofen' (http://personal.inet.fi/cool/jan.nousiainen/JG2) Warbirds
T-34/76 to Aces High!
Ladysmith wants you forthwith to come to her relief
Burn your briefs you leave for France tonight
Carefully cut the straps of the booby-traps and set the captives free
But don't shoot 'til you see her big blue eyes
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322:
So why u american BIGjim think that outside the usa thing's aren't resarched from 2 sides
Because he did it as a taunt...your post is a very good one, indeed.
But I guess that *some* US people around here wont change his point of view about europeans, no matter what you do,you say or you show him...
you see,sad as it is ,there is a lot of people who still thinks that USA is the center of the universe,and that anything beyond the Statue of the Liberty, Texas,and Hawaii is "land of barbarians". And they'll think it no matter what happens to them.
Luckily,for each one of this "squareheads", there are a lot of nice US people (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I've flowen with both of you. I have only respect for both of you.
We do live it amazing times. Our slags are used as personal slams?!
Aces higH is still not where it could be as a simulation, but it can not be blamed on the staff or the commuity. We are still learning alot about cyberworld. I hope the personal side of both your lives becomes happier for all our sakes.!cool: (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
no ?
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I think banana has over-reacted a bit, but at the same time Jim's post wasn't clearly defined, so I can understand it.
Part of the problem with e-mail is that inflection, tone, etc. isn't there.
I think it's time to let it die a slow death.. in other words.. get over it.. both of ya...
SC-GreyBeard
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Hi RAM i like america and it's people alot
(especially the one making this game)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I really wanna go someday to it for a great vacation.
but some errrrr.. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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after looking at the bigjim email, I just have to say: GOOD GOD!
You guy´s are just as old ladies, taking every excuse to backtalk and every chance to
give eachother misscredit!
This is a very stupid "US" thread. I can see banana in his newbuilt bunker, and the searchlights surrounding his yard, kneeling behind that bigass machinegun while BigJim are setting up an surplus 10,5 cm grenadethrower a mile away.
EARTH CALLING YOU GUYS!
THIS IS A GAME, HELLO!
Crabofix <ISAF>
Independent Swedish AirForce
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hehe lol the right to defend (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Seems to me like a big miscommunication here. Like Swoop said: Come to Holland get a joint and a Heiniken and all problems vanish in front of your eyes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Just kiddin...
I flew alot with BigJim and he has always been and still is a nice fella and squadmate. banana, Bigjim, you better fly H2H and the one who shoots off the cork on the bottle near the pizza wins, but.... you have to drink it both and make up (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And most important...have fun guys
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Jeez please lock this thread.
Fury