Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: lazs1 on December 04, 2001, 12:15:00 PM
-
Gameplay wise that is.
Using Roger Wilco as an example...
The noble, manly furballers hear this in rapid fire staccato... "get em off me" "Spit on you break right" "break! break! break!" "I got the nik, your clear" "watch the lag he's turning into you!" "109 is going up" "drag him to me" "Nik is off you, lag is closing.." "reversing the Hellcat".. "I'm bingo ammo will try to fake him off ya" "somebody help___ " "watch the wuss in the 51 he's coming down"..
compared to... The sky accountants and strat potatos Roger Wilco.. "so how did little billie do on this last math test, better than last week?" " and how is little suzie's cold? did the lemon and honey that we discussed last night on RW work for her" "Oh yes, it was just wonderfull and how are the hemerroids? Is that new ointment working out?" Yes, thank you.. in fact I will be AFK for about 10 minutes while I shove a huge glob of it up my butt. Let me know if I miss any exciting gossip"
You have to decide what you want your RW to sound like.
lazs
-
Wow lazs... if that's all you want, you guys can just get on RW and say whatever turns your crank.
People fly and have just as much fun as you without using RW at all.
AKDejaVu
-
Lol Lazs. You need to win a new Award of the Week- perhaps "Pointless and Stupid, but still very funny, Post of the Week".
-
:) On RW it's typically a stream of "Oh toejam" intermingled with a large number of "CodDamnits" and a few choice "That fediddleer!" from me in the course of my online time.
What "it" boils down to *for ME* is realism. And within bounds. Killshooter and collisions are unable to be modelled 100% real due to the net and the types of idiots who thinking shooting frienlies and ramming people would be a hoot. Those are unrealistic gameplay concessions that are accepable imo.
But I want realism in guns, realism in the FM, realism in ballistics, realism in the sound, in aircraft schemes. Realism in bombers (still on my wish list) and realism with the radar.
"Realism. Simple really.
Westy
-
Roger Wilco within the 13th TAS.....
"bandits 2o low.....in on the f4u.....who was it Rude?.....just Laz....poor little guy...yep, but someone has to be the meat on our dinner table....rgr that...what makes them want to be such easy targets?.....not sure....hey Rude?....yep?....Laz ever say why he flys the f4u?....yup, has a soft seat, easy on his hemorrhoids.
:D
(http://www.13thtas.com/rudesig.jpg)
-
Originally posted by lazs1:
"watch the wuss in the 51 he's coming down"..
Are you calling me a wuss Lazs? You want to throw down? You want a piece of me? You think you got what it takes?
I challenged you before to a duel and you never responded. 1-v-1, 2-v-2, you choose it. I'm ready.
You know, I really think the only reason I even bother responding to your posts is because you insist on name calling and thinking that those that don't play your way are lesser and beneath you.
I'll keep my composure and not say a load of verbal garbage and avoid stooping to your level of mud-slinging.
No, you know what. F|_|ck Yo|_| lazs :D
Come get me in the DA if you got the guts :p
-
Never happen Midnight, Laz is like that kid in school who would shout names at you behind his fence with the dog in the yard, as you walked by his house. And of course, he was mad at you because in *his* version of baseball, first base was home plate, but no one wanted to play his way so he just calls you names behind the big fence with the junkyard dog protecting him. :D
(How's THAT for an analogy?)
-
Midnight,
What specifically refered to you? Was it "wuss" or "p-51" or both?
AKDejaVu
-
LOL Deja!
("Run P51 Run!"..."I'm not running, I'm Extending!"...."Extending, Rustang, Extend!" Heard on open channel)
-
Aw, c'mon, that was some funny stuff no matter what side of the coin you're on. Dunno, maybe because I play the game both ways I can see the truth in it- still funny though. :D
-
Unlike Kieren,who "plays both ways"; I'm straight, sand I thought it funny too.
:)
-
I just knew someone would make that comment... ;)
-
At least you don't have to hear Dago sing.
-
midnight... I am easy to find. Come and get me anytime yu like. You will of course have to actually get into the thick of it but... I don't see what all the fuss is about tho as I am at best a mediocre pilot in a mediocre plane although... it does have a comfy seat. Sheesh... I have to concentrate just to kill rude when he blows the bounce. If I was any worse at this I would have to be legally blind or in a LW squad.
lazs
-
Originally posted by O'Westy:
[QB
"Realism. Simple really.
Westy[/QB]
Flaps??
-
Rotor, the lame auto-retracting flaps have been brought up already. Not in this specific topic perhaps but it is in one or two of the radar discussions. As well as past topics dealing with things not realistic in AH going back well over two years. Or were you hoping to spring something on us no one has talked about before? If so, good luck :)
Westy
-
one of my first nights in AH, the FM was so hard, i gunned a B-17 for one of my squadies. MAN, you should of heard RW, I think i broke everyones eardrums that was on the channel.
I'll always remember that day, WHAT A BLAST!!!
NUTTZ
(oh, how this "game" has progressed)
-
All I can recall is someone in the 56th (I think its Ammo) screams like a girl A LOT on RW - found that out in Hostile Shores.
-
Laz, what's the solution?
Should HTC not model B&Z aircraft at all?
Should all B&Z aircraft have high perk cost? (Tough, because you CAN B&Z in most of the planeset. :) )
Should the FM artificially limit airspeed in a dive to 250kts?
Should we have segregated arenas where ONLY turnfighters can play and other arenas where ONLY B&Z aircraft can play? (Again, how will you divide the WW2 planeset?)
Should the system monitor for B&Z like behavior and then lock the controls like the stick-stirring watchdog?
Bottom line, you are talking once again of limiting the --> other guy <-- with respect to his playing options.
Hasn't ever proved to be a very popular position... or one that is ever implemented.
Limit the "other guy" ... reminds me of some old threads on this board. I know you don't want to group yourself with THOSE guys. :D
-
Originally posted by Vulcan:
All I can recall is someone in the 56th (I think its Ammo) screams like a girl A LOT on RW - found that out in Hostile Shores.
yea, kiss my lilly white ....
-
More like:
*flight of 3 P38's at 24k over A5*
*1* "Hey guys, theres a furball down there, should we go down?"
*2* "nah, I dont want to end up fighting spits and n1ks and la7's"
*3* "I dunno"
--flight does several circles looking for hi cons, shoots down 1 lone, high alt enemy plane---
*1* "Poor guy"
*2* "Yeah, wonder what's he's doing up here without a wingman"
*3* "I nailed his wingman"
*1* "Really? WTG man, I didnt see him"
-- CH2: hey lazs is at A5 in an La7!--
*3* "Lets get down there and nail him heehee"
*1* "did he say he's in La7? text buffer scrolled up fast"
*2* "yeah, la7"
---Sortie ends with the P-38's getting low and chewed up by the endless hordes of n1ks, spits and la7's. This "Lazs" phenomenon was not encountered--
*2* "farg it! That toejamtyfire HO'd me"
*3* "I saw that from my chute. is that n1k still trying to strafe my silkride?"
*1* "where the fek is lazs? Im shooting every la7 i see and I still havent gotten him"
:D :D :D
-
Originally posted by O'Westy:
Or were you hoping to spring something on us no one has talked about before?
Westy
Wasnt hoping to spring nothing on noone you all exulted all knowing.
-
Wow....your own thread....
-
I thought lazs post was funny .
I see three differant games , low , high and strat .
Right now trying the "low" game again , with alittle strat here and there , pretty much fun with all the new players .
P51B or La7
take care
spro
-
toad... no solution realy except to allow both types of gameplay. don't let things get too unbalanced EITHER way. The guys who like action will not put up with blind and spread out fights it just doesn't work for em.
The real dilema it seems is convincing the sky accountants that giving the manly furballers opportunity to do so does not mean... "well, all you have to do is get organized, all agree on a spot and all you furballers fly a couple of sectors and meet in the middle.. What do you need radar or fields with fighter hangers or cv's for?" The people that wouldn't know a furball if it fell on em are telling furballers that they have "no problem" finding one.
The sky accountants seem to feel that if you give people the opportunity to furball then no one (or no one will pay attention to) will play 'capture the flag'.
Idealy, a furball is between fields. the best ones anyway. Short flights to the middle... Able to keep flighty, impatient squaddies toghether with something besides the vague hope that if you circle around long enough doing nothing you may get a shot at bouncing poor ol fat, bald, harmless lazs.
In between fields allows some altitude spread and style changes... Yes, you can boom and zoom in any plane but ya gotta be skilled when ya don't go in with 100 mph in the bank. A cv battle is allways a kick.
BTW... How can a map be "nothing but furballs"? If you have furballs at say... what? 6 fields? The entire rest of the map is ripe for milkrunners and timid sky accountants.
lazs
-
You must have missed the :) in the post Rotor.
In the meantime you can take all the pot shots at me that you want for being a 'know it all' here. Far from it. Is my crime simply having been a community participant here for more than two years and also being able to remember most of the posted issues have been as to what people have wanted fixed or added in AH.
Remember these? Bombs no longer sink islands! Or when will the P-47 FM be fixed?
oh!
:) <---- Can't forget that even though it doesn't get acknowleged.
Westy
-
Originally posted by lazs1:
toad... no solution realy except to allow both types of gameplay. don't let things get too unbalanced EITHER way
Maybe I missed something, but that's about the way it seems to me right now. Pretty well balanced. You can go to the MA and do what you like, plenty of action available to all "disicplines".
Maybe those HTC folks know what they're doing?
;)
Carry on, all.
-
Actually toad... I agree. Things are more balanced now thanthey ever have been. Depends on the map of course but.... the really boring maps seem to get wiped out quickly.
I don't see how having fields 10% closer would hurt the sky accountants tho or... having tougher cv's would do anything but help gameplay... certainly it would help the manly furballers and not hamper milkrunning, wussy sky accountants and bounty hunters persecuting poor ol fat, bald, toothless and harmless lazs... They could fly around doing nothing or catching up on gossip just as allways.
lazs
-
lazs theres a big difference in furballs.
retards like you like furballs in the main arena. they are boring and stupid.
the only entertaining types of furballs are wild wednesday, when there is a 1 life furball. i will agree with you that that type of furball is a blast. that type of furball takes flying skill, and from what i have seen the better pilots consistently win in that type of environment. i have been bested in wild wednesday but it was always by a pilot who outflew me. guys like dmf, citabria, and moose nailed me in wild wednesday and they all deserved the kills, they were earned.
furballs with respanw is idiotic and senseless. oops i killed you 1 minute ago but now youre back on my 6. thats gay and why furballs suck. he didnt outfly me he just respawned and gangbanged me.
if you want to fly in real furballs, show up on wednesday nights.
i guess its like this. i never liked quake, but counterstrike was fun. i am a strong believer that in games, you should get one life per frame, and respawning is just a bad idea.
-
zig.. while a wild wednesday sorta thing would be limited fun (no squdies or RW)till ya got killed but... what do you do then? Do you wait a week for another flight sim experiance? run em constantly.. what, fly every couple of hours?
not really interested in that so... for me, the MA furball and allmost constant action is the best bet.
Plus...Most people aren't as hung up on "who is best" as you are. I believe that most would just like to have fun. And, besides, if u kill someone and then have em on your 6, 1 minute later then you either suck or you are doing furballs wrong. Certainly it isn't the type of furball I have just described.
I would also like to say that the best part for me is if I have one or more squaddies in the fur with me. I am very unskilled and need the help as well as the companionship I so desperately crave. How can waiting in the tower for "one life" to begin compare to that?
lazs
-
Originally posted by O'Westy:
:) <---- Can't forget that even though it doesn't get acknowleged.
Westy
You need to grow a thicker skin is the little stuff is going to bother you.
-
And zigrat... I see that leviathn won the WW. I would be first to admit that he is one of the most skilled spit pilots I have seen (probly other rides also). He is also a pretty good guy it would seem. How would someone of my poor abilities stand a chance against such a man? I mean, I'm not a coward but when I see someone like him show up I run! If I ever get a kill on you or him I will know I have arrived.
lazs
-
"You need to grow a thicker skin is the little stuff is going to bother you."
I see no need to grow thicker skin. I don't see why I should take anything you or a couple of other "BW" folks say towards me as anything but sarcastic and negative in light of what transpired two months ago.
Westy
[ 12-05-2001: Message edited by: O'Westy ]
-
Ya know, I'm average at best in the pony. When I enter a furball and kill all of those skilled pilots, it just fills my little heart with all sorts of warm and fuzzy feelings.
Being average is is a good thing...ya just blend in and take your shots. Sometimes it goes your way, sometimes not.
Now, as part of my squad, I feel strongly that as a unit, we are among the best in the sim. If five of us enter a fight, we will come home with 15-25 souls every time.
Maybe folks could just fly the way they choose to fly and have some fun without others gettin their panties in a bunch?
I understand and respect what Laz has to say...he enjoys what he enjoys. I fly with a different mindset and guess what? I too enjoy flying the same sim.
The AH world is big and will get even bigger as time passes...HTC will modify and add new features which will enhance gameplay for at least 80% of the folks in here.
Can't ask for better than that imho.
(http://www.13thtas.com/rudesig.jpg)
-
Originally posted by O'Westy:
I don't see why I should take anything you or a couple of other "BW" folks say towards me as anything but sarcastic and negative in light of what transpired two months ago.
Westy
[ 12-05-2001: Message edited by: O'Westy ]
So, you can direct sarcasm at me covered with a silly little smiley and I cannot do the same back to you? You are a paranoid numbskull, plain and simple.
-
that type of furball takes flying skill, and from what i have seen the better pilots consistently win in that type of environment. i have been bested in wild wednesday but it was always by a pilot who outflew me. guys like dmf, citabria, and moose nailed me in wild wednesday and they all deserved the kills, they were earned.
I call BS here. I flew Wild Wednesday in the Corsair. What did I see? The "better" pilots ran like hell for alt and the corners of the arena while the "lesser" pilots duked it out. Then the "better" pilots swooped in for easy vultch kills (in fact, you did this to me). Matter of fact, I had some "better" pilots steal kills I worked for because they knew killing the hurt guy would conserve ammo, enabling more kills.
I saw you type that "two best pilots" nonsense on the buffer and thought you were joking. Guess not. If I have to fly like I described to be better, I'll gladly remain lesser. I have a hell of a lot more fun.
It doesn't take a dolt to see the way to win Wild Wednesday is to run like hell. If that makes you better, more power to you. :rolleyes:
-
hmm kieran... u have just stated my fears about WW. I assumed it was a lot like that but.. I have fought leviathn in the MA a lot and he Flys "smart" sometimes but allways ends up in the mud and the blood, nose to nose and swinging. I can't say that he avoids fights. WW seems custm tailored for the more timid and patient to win out tho.
lazs
-
"So, you can direct sarcasm at me covered with a silly little smiley"
That's just it Rotor. It wasn't sarcasm on my part. But your mind set towards me made you think it was. It would be better all around if you just didn't reply to my posts. I've tried not to yours and a couple of others for simple peace of mind.
Kieran, what you wrote is exactly why I have never bothered with the AH "WW" - or AW's KOTH either.
Westy
-
I don't know leviathon; I do know that Zig made a blanket generalization about a type of play. Now, you do this too, but I always felt you were just trying to pull chains to a point. Perhaps Zig is just trying to pull your chain and I got sucked in, who knows.
I do know after getting cherry-picked in the first round of WW I tried to find the "better" pilots for a fight- no such luck. I wound up chasing people around the arena. I even had a previously mentioned "better" pilot outfought, only to see him run like hell- smart, but not better. I haven't said anything about it before as I felt that was just the accepted way to play WW. However, if someone is going to walk in here posturing like they are a bigshot because they survive in that environment playing that way? Pffff!
Put another way, if I can get the better of you in a Corsair, you aren't that good. I am terrible in about everything.
-
Originally posted by O'Westy:
"So, you can direct sarcasm at me covered with a silly little smiley"
That's just it Rotor. It wasn't sarcasm on my part.
Westy
Then what was it? You asked a silly question? All I did was make an observation about "realism" and you answered with a question as if i had a predisposition. I answered in kind making fun of it. Now tell me who has a predisposed mind? You know what, dont worry. If I feel I need add or substract something from whatever you or anyone else say is my prerogative. You take it however you want to take it because frankly I dont care <shrugs>.
-
"In the end... it all boils down to this.. a kiss it just a kiss...., as time goes by"
-
I wish i'd got in earlier so my point would be better made.
You're a banana lazs. No pretty analogies. End of story.
-
How do you win Wild Wednesdays? I found that the secret wasn't to run from a fight like Kieren describes, but rather to isolate opponents and force 1v1s. This strategy worked pretty well for me in the first round, and it worked in the early parts of the second round last week. However, I was unfortunate enough to have two Assassins left as my opponents (Zigrat and moose) at the end of Round 2, so it seemed only fair that they'd go after me before turning on one another.
That's not to say that I'm beyond cherry picking... I killed pimpjoe and CFIT that way without a doubt. But hey, they weren't paying any attention. :)
Here (http://www.mcnoldy.com/WW.zip) is film of the first round of last week's WW matchup. Warning! It's 700k+ in size. If it's full of the stuff Kieren despises, then I guess it's safe to call me a dweeb after all. You'd be right. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
-
Todd, if you read my comments again you would see I am pointing at one particular line of comments made earlier in the thread. I don't care how you or anyone else plays, and I had no complaints about it when it happened. What irks me a bit is Zig taking the stance he did based on WW and his view of furballing in general. It just seemed extremely arrogant and condescending is all.
If you are offended, sorry. It doesn't change the way I feel about it one whit, but I had no intention of singling you out.
-
Originally posted by Kieran:
Todd, if you read my comments again you would see I am pointing at one particular line of comments made earlier in the thread. I don't care how you or anyone else plays, and I had no complaints about it when it happened. What irks me a bit is Zig taking the stance he did based on WW and his view of furballing in general. It just seemed extremely arrogant and condescending is all.
I know. :) I'm just trying to stir the pot a bit. I know what you meant, and to whom you directed it. I did think that there were some misperceptions about WW in general though that deserved to be cleared up.
If you are offended, sorry. It doesn't change the way I feel about it one whit, but I had no intention of singling you out.
Nah, I'm not offended. Sorry if it seemed that way.
-- Todd/Leviathn
-
Oh, and as far as the strategy is concerned, I stand on that. It is what I saw from my perspective- and I was in the final four in round two. I chased numero uno around for some time before I was finally picked off by someone less concerned about him than me- though I thought that funny, as I am hardly a threat. Had numero uno turned on me I would no doubt have lost. From what I saw it was run, hit targets of opportunity in your path, never slow down. Then in the final few you have to fight, but there you are with most of your ammo and WEP.
Wish I had filmed mine so you could see my perspective. ;)
-
kieren my point is this. every time i have gotten killed in wild wednesday it is because i have been outflown by a superior pilot. if you look at his film, you will see him outflying me. i enjoy losing in such a situation, you learn something from it.
i dont think its arrogant. in fact i am typing this while i am waiting for the next round to start because chango kicked my ass. why? because he outflew me.
my point is that every time i have died in this event so far it is because i was outflown... thats not the case in the ma, where a bunch of dweebs gangbang you or vulch you or you die in acks or whatever.
i get very irritated flying in the main arena because i am a sore loser when i am beat by someone who didnt *earn the kill*. i dont feel that way about WW because of the *lack of respawning* and thats what makes it such a great event..
-
i also agee with you lazs on squad type duels. i think 1 life squad duels mabye 6 on 6 say blue knights vs assasins would be great.. fly will all of one side is dead, then everyone respawns again.
also the other great thing about ww is that everyone starts at the same time, so if a guy has e over you, its becaus eyou chose to waste yours doing something, not because he is a dweeb with too much time on his hands to grab alt.
anyways i am just a big fan of the event and i encourage you to try it out if you enjoy furballs. not being abole to click fly the second after you die really adds something to the experience.
-
WW rools.
Kierens fears do have some relevance, depending on plane type. With the Hurri and the LA, there is the tendancy to try and preserve fuel and ammo as much as pos, but even then in the end it boils down to that last vital one on one.
For other planes, with larger loads, people get stuck in a bit earlier.
One thing to bear in mind is that there's a new map roumoured to be in development for the event, it'll be interesting to see what effect that has.
Perhaps the only "tweak" WW might need is to pick planes every round instead of every week, but that's minor.
-
Before I am labled a "WW" hater, let me dispel that thought altogether. I am not, and had a great time. I just happen to also like the MA, and take that for what it is.
I don't hate the lone bombers that come in at high alt to kill bases. Game is designed to allow it.
I don't hate people that spawn after I kill them, game allows that too.
I don't hate squads, even though I am not in one.
I don't hate pilots that fly Nikki's, Spits, La-7's, or whatever plane that excites you.
I don't consider myself anything more than the average guy that pops in for a few minutes of release a night. I just can't see why it always has to be a "my type of play is better than yours" all the time (though I have to admit at least Lazs makes me chuckle how he says it).
-
And finally, Zig, you vultched me from a superior height after I had fought a good duel with another pilot. How must I rate you on that? Isn't this precisely what you said you hate?
That is my point- I took it as part of the game- you seem to take it as a slap in the face because the guy that got you didn't earn it. At least, that is the way I read you.
You either have fun or you don't, I guess. I have fun no matter what, and I am not about to spend one second trying to evaluate whether my last death was earned by my opponent. He got me (or she, sorry Flossy) and that's all that matters.
-
Kieran, no one takes you for one of those radical "play my way types".
But..I will defend WW to my virtual death! :) it's my favourite non-scenario activity!
As for Zig vulching you, WW isn't a 1 on 1 set up, it's not a duelling ladder. It's a pig pile, pure and simple.
Actually, I expect and hope that a new map will bunch the furball up more closely, amplyfiying (how the *hell* is that spilt?) the pigpile even more.
It's the only area of AH where even the luftwobbles seem happy :)
-
Hehe, this is getting silly, and I am painting myself in a corner, but here goes one more time- if a person says that "only the people who earned the kill killed me, therefore my type of play is better, yet ironically killed another person in a way that was totally unearned, what does that say about our hero? It tells me the whole thing is a matter of perception.
-
<hands Keiran masking tape>
Every time I've ever managed to pump lead into Zig, I've earnt it; which makes me better than him. The more he squeakes, the better I obviously am. On the other hand, every time Zig's popped me, he's obviously hacked the FE, had at least 10K alt, five friends and bribed my ISP.
Sounds normal flight sim stuff to me :)
Having said that, if some one consistantly finished high in these type of events, I think that then it does offer some kind of judgement value. After all, Leviathan and Fester win when ever they show, Moose and Zig are consistanlty in the last four up, over time (say a month); I think that gives as fair a picture as any other thing you can think of (rank? K/D?)
-
<Sigh> I give. It's about fun, not about whether someone who killed you "earned it" or not.
-
Lighten up, Fancis :)
-
Hey, I am the "Bud Lite" of pilots. ;)
-
I dunno... sounds like there is some squaddie cooperation in there.. least till the end. Not really a "free for all" eh? Maybe it would be better if handle icons were turned off or...maybe all icons turned off?
lazs
-
Originally posted by lazs1:
Maybe it would be better if handle icons were turned off or...maybe all icons turned off?
lazs
Oooh, this might be a good idea.
-
Originally posted by lazs1:
I dunno... sounds like there is some squaddie cooperation in there.. least till the end. Not really a "free for all" eh? Maybe it would be better if handle icons were turned off or...maybe all icons turned off?
lazs
Interesting idea. I think it would cut down on the squad cooperation, but I fear that it would only exacerbate the willingness of people to grab to as high as possible in far off locations. It would be a cherry picker's wet dream.
That said, I don't really mind if squads cooperate loosely. The event breeds a sort of OPEC mindset anyway... they'll cooperate until it becomes absolutely irresistable to blow away that squadmate who's 1k off their 12oc, busily engaged with someone else.
-- Todd/Leviathn