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Title: Political Compas
Post by: midnight Target on November 17, 2003, 10:47:05 AM
This is buried in that other thread about Liberals... I know this (or something like it) has been posted before, but I think it is pretty accurate:

http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/questionnaire.pl


Here's Me: Surprised? ... :)

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -1.00
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.82
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Sandman on November 17, 2003, 11:10:28 AM
I'm not surprised... (well maybe a little... think I'm feeling a bit extreme today).

Economic Left/Right: -6.50
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.33
Title: Political Compas
Post by: DmdNexus on November 17, 2003, 11:12:50 AM
I'm right next to the Pope! Sheesh!

Economic Left/Right: 2.00
Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.23
Title: Political Compas
Post by: GtoRA2 on November 17, 2003, 11:27:11 AM
Economic Left/Right: 1.50
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.23
Title: Political Compas
Post by: muckmaw on November 17, 2003, 11:27:14 AM
Interesting post...

Economic Left/Right: 1.25
Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.90
Title: Political Compas
Post by: MRPLUTO on November 17, 2003, 11:28:34 AM
Economic Left  -3.25

Libertarian  -5.95

Close to the Dalai Lama, according to their chart.

MRPLUTO
Title: Political Compas
Post by: ravells on November 17, 2003, 11:28:44 AM
-7.32 (Economic Left/Right)
-5.6 (Libertarian / Authoritarian)

Ravs
Title: Political Compas
Post by: rpm on November 17, 2003, 11:32:01 AM
Wow, I'm beside Nelson Mandela. Not a bad neighborhood.

Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.21
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Mini D on November 17, 2003, 11:53:42 AM
It asks questions in terms of absolutes.  I also found several of the questions rather odd.

No thanks.

MiniD
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Mighty1 on November 17, 2003, 12:02:44 PM
Economic Left/Right: -2.50
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.92
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Ripsnort on November 17, 2003, 12:05:36 PM
"Compass"

Economic Left/Right: 2.75
Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.87
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Dinger on November 17, 2003, 12:10:42 PM
L/R -8
L/A -6.31

:D
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Dnil on November 17, 2003, 12:14:56 PM
Economic Left/Right: -0.12
Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.31

and i consider myself a republican.
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Tarmac on November 17, 2003, 12:14:58 PM
Pretty cool.

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -1.38
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.64

A moderate libertarian; I'll take that.
Title: Political Compas
Post by: JBA on November 17, 2003, 12:18:14 PM
As mini D said some questions are in the absolute and difficult to answer but with all thing considered I tried to answer them honestly

Your political
compass
Economic Left/Right: 2.50
Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.69

right in the triangle of Schroder/Chiarc/Blair
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Ripsnort on November 17, 2003, 12:19:08 PM
Quote
Originally posted by rpm371
Wow, I'm beside Nelson Mandela. Not a bad neighborhood.

Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.21


Yeah, you and he have something in common! I think you can figure it out by his comment in January, 2003 of this year.

Quote
"if there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America."
[/i]
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Maverick on November 17, 2003, 12:26:32 PM
Economic Left/Right: 0.25
Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.08


I am so close to center on the graph it's silly. There is no one really close but the closest is Gerhard Schroder and he is definitely to the right a significant amount from my graph position.

Now what is the significance? Not much AFAIAC, interesting site however.
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Octavius on November 17, 2003, 12:37:33 PM
seems i've changed a bit...

Economic Left/Right: -1.75
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.67
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Octavius on November 17, 2003, 12:37:33 PM
argh double.
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Hooligan on November 17, 2003, 12:56:28 PM
5.62, -3.28

Some of those statements are very interesting.  Take the first one:

"If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations."

So this presumes that the interests of corporations are necessarily opposite the interests of humanity?  I find this rather odd.

If you are going to assume that corporations will invariably use force and bribery to attain their ends then your answer means a much different thing than if you assume that harmful corporate behavior will be held in check by rule of law.

This statement is kind of like saying:  “"If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve the interests of women rather than the interests of men."  The underlying presumption does not necessarily make any sense at all.

I answered:  “Strongly disagree” to the statement:  “The only social responsibility of a company should be to deliver a profit to its shareholders.”  But I suspect my disagreement takes a completely different form than that of a lot of people who answered the question identically.

Here is a shorter quiz where the questions appear to be somewhat less interpretive:


http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html


Hooligan
Title: Political Compas
Post by: CyranoAH on November 17, 2003, 12:59:37 PM
Jeeeez I'm off the scale!! :D

Economic Left/Right: -7.50
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.95

And I vote for a centrist party, go figure :)

I think I'll go found my own religion... or something...
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Mini D on November 17, 2003, 01:00:30 PM
Yep... I agree hooligan.  They asked to agree or disagree with drastically extreme views.

I find it odd that someone would find the need to generate a political label maker.

MiniD
Title: Political Compas
Post by: rpm on November 17, 2003, 01:01:42 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ripsnort
Yeah, you and he have something in common! I think you can figure it out by his comment in January, 2003 of this year.

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Sadly, he is correct. We are not a perfect nation, but we can strive to be a better one.
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Rude on November 17, 2003, 01:07:09 PM
1.12
2.05

Bogus questionaire....too many loaded questions....leans left.

Lends a light to polling data....and we all know the polling data is correct.
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Ripsnort on November 17, 2003, 01:21:20 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Hooligan
5.62, -3.28

Some of those statements are very interesting.  Take the first one:

"If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations."

So this presumes that the interests of corporations are necessarily opposite the interests of humanity?  I find this rather odd.

If you are going to assume that corporations will invariably use force and bribery to attain their ends then your answer means a much different thing than if you assume that harmful corporate behavior will be held in check by rule of law.

This statement is kind of like saying:  “"If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve the interests of women rather than the interests of men."  The underlying presumption does not necessarily make any sense at all.

I answered:  “Strongly disagree” to the statement:  “The only social responsibility of a company should be to deliver a profit to its shareholders.”  But I suspect my disagreement takes a completely different form than that of a lot of people who answered the question identically.

Here is a shorter quiz where the questions appear to be somewhat less interpretive:


http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html


Hooligan


My thoughts exactly. now, try to answer those current event questions (a few of them) forHitler....how they answered some of those for Hitler, especially when it came to the one about counter-terrorism..is beyond me.:rolleyes:
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Ripsnort on November 17, 2003, 01:24:57 PM
Incidently, I put my "Looney Liberal Extreme" hat on and took the test again.  Mostly "Strongly disagree" on the questions, and "Strongly Agree" for the few that applied .  I came out -5 in both Economic Left/Right and Libertarian/Authoritarian.
Title: Political Compas
Post by: MRPLUTO on November 17, 2003, 01:31:27 PM
On the short test I was right on the line between centrist and left-liberal.  I'm more liberal socially than I am economically.  (Personal 70%; Economic, 40%)

MRPLUTO
Title: Political Compas
Post by: DmdNexus on November 17, 2003, 01:37:10 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Dnil
Economic Left/Right: -0.12
Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.31

and i consider myself a republican.


Turn in your Republican card! Now!
Title: Political Compas
Post by: ravells on November 17, 2003, 01:43:49 PM
Interesting....on the short poll I scored on the border of Centrist and Left liberal with a leaning towards the authoritarian...
quite different from the other quiz.

Hooligan is right, there were a number of 'do you beat your wife every night' type of questions on the other quiz.

Still, it's fun to try.

Ravs
Title: Political Compas
Post by: straffo on November 17, 2003, 02:02:00 PM
Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54


btw who is Jean Chrétien ?
Title: Political Compas
Post by: strk on November 17, 2003, 02:16:28 PM
Quote
btw who is Jean Chrétien ?


I dont know but I am over there with him too.  
check out this page
http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/extremeright.html
at the bottom it has a graph showing the placementn of political parties on the graph.  Notice where the "liberal democrats" are - on the right/libertarian side!!  that was a suprise.  

strk
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Octavius on November 17, 2003, 02:19:42 PM
Did it again answered "strongly disagree" to every question.

Gave me this:  

Economic Left/Right: 0.00
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.36

Answered "strongly agree" to every question and got this:

Economic Left/Right: 0.00
Libertarian/Authoritarian: 4.36


I did not create the test therefore I haven't a clue as to how it's scored.  But economically there seem to exist the same number of questions.  Socially... well it seems to lean whichever way you answer your questions.
Title: Political Compas
Post by: mrblack on November 17, 2003, 02:32:23 PM
LOL i'm with the Pope
Title: Political Compas
Post by: miko2d on November 17, 2003, 02:34:07 PM
Hooligan: Some of those statements are very interesting.  Take the first one:
"If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations."

So this presumes that the interests of corporations are necessarily opposite the interests of humanity?  I find this rather odd.


 Not "interesting", the words you are looking for are "loaded", "biased" and "nonsensical".

 Like am inquisition questionnaire that would ask "Should witches be burned or impaled on a stake?".

 miko
Title: Political Compas
Post by: FUNKED1 on November 17, 2003, 02:41:09 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Hooligan
Some of those statements are very interesting.  Take the first one:

"If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations."

So this presumes that the interests of corporations are necessarily opposite the interests of humanity?  I find this rather odd.


Bingo.  There were several questions like that.
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Dune on November 17, 2003, 03:03:14 PM
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 1.00
Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.33

But I do like how the pope is on the same side as Mugabe, Arafat and Hussein.
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Duedel on November 17, 2003, 03:04:57 PM
Dalai Lama here

we had a similar test in Germany. These questions are not definite and therefore not correct to answer.
Title: Political Compas
Post by: miko2d on November 17, 2003, 03:05:29 PM
even more it presumes that globalisation is a process that can be controlled rather than enabled or disabled.

 In fact it's just like "Democracy".

 Saying should democracy benefit people's material wellbeing or their spiritual level is nonsensical. The democracy is a spontaneous process and if you allow it, you cannot choose which way it will take you.
 If you do control it, it will not be democracy by definition.

 Anyone who even thinks that "globalisation" that can either benefit poor or corporations and that humans can have some control over it are not talking about the real globalisation - the free trade, they are talking about some kind of colonialism.

 Free market and free trade by definition benefit everyone because otherwise the parties would not engage in it. Obviously it benefits poor more than it benefits rich because rich can do without few more dollars but the poor would probably starve without those few more dollars and their economies would never develop without going through primitive capitalism stage.

 miko
Title: Political Compas
Post by: ravells on November 17, 2003, 03:07:43 PM
miko!

We've dont that one to death already! :o

Ravs
Title: Political Compas
Post by: AKIron on November 17, 2003, 03:22:30 PM
Almost got the bullseye. What do I win?(http://www.inettek.com/stuff/scale.jpg)
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Ripsnort on November 17, 2003, 03:38:10 PM
I trust anyone within 3 (+/- .5) of bullseye.  Anyone outside of 3, or -3,  I would consider a threat and would certainly not trust them, whether that would be in a sense of pumping gas, or watching over their own children.
Title: Political Compas
Post by: midnight Target on November 17, 2003, 03:52:51 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ripsnort
"Compass"

Economic Left/Right: 2.75
Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.87


I wonder where that "3" came from. You sure you didn't mean 2.8?
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Ripsnort on November 17, 2003, 04:01:27 PM
Quote
Originally posted by midnight Target
I wonder where that "3" came from. You sure you didn't mean 2.8?


you missed the "+/- .5" part I see. Typical, never read it all the way, just what you want to read into it. ;)
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Dnil on November 17, 2003, 04:07:32 PM
egads iron, i think we were seperated at birth.
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Otto on November 17, 2003, 04:10:11 PM
Economic Left/Right: 4.12

Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.46


Good, this confirms my self view.
Title: Political Compas
Post by: AKIron on November 17, 2003, 04:23:58 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Dnil
egads iron, i think we were seperated at birth.


Hehe, great minds think alike. I tend to vote Republican too. :aok
Title: Political Compas
Post by: CyranoAH on November 17, 2003, 04:39:57 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ripsnort
I trust anyone within 3 (+/- .5) of bullseye.  Anyone outside of 3, or -3,  I would consider a threat and would certainly not trust them, whether that would be in a sense of pumping gas, or watching over their own children.


Either the proverbial smiley got lost in between your thoughts and what you wrote or you certainly have a problem with people who don't think the way you do.

But what do I know... I'm not to be trusted!!! :rofl

Daniel
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Ripsnort on November 17, 2003, 04:43:32 PM
Quote
Originally posted by CyranoAH
Either the proverbial smiley got lost in between your thoughts and what you wrote or you certainly have a problem with people who don't think the way you do.

But what do I know... I'm not to be trusted!!! :rofl

Daniel


Like I said, I don't trust extremists, whether they be waaay left (like yourself) or waaaay right (Like Cabby)
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Hooligan on November 17, 2003, 05:06:54 PM
Miko:

Shouldn't you be beating on Curly in the other thread?

Hooligan
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Dinger on November 17, 2003, 05:39:10 PM
bah, you didn't see the other loaded questions, like those on property.  Many of them are derived from popular quotations.

The economic Left/Right spectrum is set up to run from absolute, global laissez-faire capitalism to absolute, global, all-property-in-common-and-administered-by-the-government, communism.
Title: Political Compas
Post by: -tronski- on November 17, 2003, 06:32:06 PM
Economic Left/Right: -6.00
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.00


Hrmmmm, Ghandi and Nelson Mandela...


 I'm surprised that Tony Blair is so far to the right considering he's supposed to be a labour leader, I didn't realise the British labour party was so conservative nowadays (mind you he's just a little to the left of John Howard our liberal leader), or does that also mean why his leadership is so unlikely to survive Iraq?

 Tronsky
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Ripsnort on November 17, 2003, 06:46:27 PM
Quote
Originally posted by -tronski-

 I'm surprised that Tony Blair is so far to the right considering he's supposed to be a labour leader, I didn't realise the British labour party was so conservative nowadays (mind you he's just a little to the left of John Howard our liberal leader), or does that also mean why his leadership is so unlikely to survive Iraq?

 Tronsky


Well, if its any consulation...in the 1950's I would have been a staunch democrat...but in the words of my father...."I didn't leave the Democratic party,....IT left ME!"
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Corsair on November 17, 2003, 08:00:04 PM
I'm Ghandi...
Title: Political Compas
Post by: type_char on November 17, 2003, 08:59:02 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Corsair
I'm Ghandi...


LOL :D
Title: Political Compas
Post by: Dead Man Flying on November 17, 2003, 09:43:59 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Mini D
It asks questions in terms of absolutes.  I also found several of the questions rather odd.

No thanks.


I agree.  I kept finding myself qualifying answers, but naturally it wouldn't allow me to do so.  I can't possibly consider the final result valid.

-- Todd/Leviathn
Title: Political Compas
Post by: majic on November 17, 2003, 11:32:46 PM
"If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations."



WTF?  Won't even bother to read the rest.

If I did, I wouldn't be surprised to see:

"Do you like liberals and kittens or conservatives and the ebola virus?"
Title: Political Compas
Post by: FUNKED1 on November 17, 2003, 11:49:06 PM
Quote
Originally posted by AKIron
Almost got the bullseye. What do I win?(http://www.inettek.com/stuff/scale.jpg)


You win the William J. Clinton "Slick Willie" award for excellence in pandering to the pollsters.  :)
Title: Political Compas
Post by: AKIron on November 18, 2003, 12:24:07 AM
Quote
Originally posted by FUNKED1
You win the William J. Clinton "Slick Willie" award for excellence in pandering to the pollsters.  :)


Someone shoot me now, please. ;)

I put as much faith in something like that to tell me what I believe as I do in the tooth fairy. Those questions were so loaded my monitor fell off the desk.
Title: Political Compas
Post by: SaburoS on November 18, 2003, 01:08:54 AM
Interesting the loaded questions that I could have answered either way.

Economic Left/Right: -2.38
Libertarian/Authoritian: -5.74