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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: CRASH on August 15, 2000, 01:59:00 PM
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Quote from bbs:
Small Status Update -8/15/2000-
Thanks for Torgen for pointing us to the following post from Mo:
We are knee deep in getting phaseIII ready, and
unfortunately there are guts lying all over the floor, it's
not pretty. Like when you're doing an engine rebuild in
your garage, and you turn around after breakdown and
say..."my god, what have I done!?"
We are integrating some new stuff, and we will get some
shots and some small avis out before ECTS (First week
in Sept) but it'll probably be pretty quiet until them.
I'll see if we can get a quickie out of a burning plane.
Source thread here.
Boy, fer somethin' that was supposed to be in open beta first quarter this year, to maybe we'll have some new screen shots by sept 7 ya gotta wonder if they'll ever get it together.
CRASH
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I wondered why we saw DocDoom alot this past week...
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Hi all,
I wouldn't expect to see anything open to the general public before the first of the year.
Mo and the boys at Playnet have set a tall order for themselves and I think they are realizing the time they set was just a little to optimistic.
Remember if they can pull off what they are claiming it's going to be revolutionary in the world of online simming. I think we can cut em a little slack on the timing.
Sharky
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From their home page:
08-11-00
...on the ins-and-outs of the graphic elements in the soon to be award winning World War II Online™.
"soon to be award winning"? I have not followed the development at all, but are they predicting awards for themselves?
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OT ??
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Honestly, I'm beginning to think they're full of toejam. They've started putting adds on their web site...ya know, show the client ur hit rate, sell some ads....no game, just sell ads.
They misjudged their open beta date by 9 months.....yeah, sure they did...it's comin'....a little fat man in a red suit, riding a sled pulled by eight tiny reindeer is bringin it.....yeah, thats the ticket, a littl fat man (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
CRASH
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I watched one of there films. A spit down low. The eyecandy was Very good. If they do get it to go. The strat fans are gonna hurt there faces smileing to much.
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FOS Crash? (Off Topic)
Hell, I'm wishing 'em the best. Ya don't go to the moon without taking risks. Your welcome to your opinion Crash, luckily it's not the only one we have to rely on. Reports from visiting players are glowing, and the Rats are up-front in admitting their ambition. Brood all ya want, I gotta root for a team like that. If I designed my dream online combat sim, it would be wwiiol. So I rather cheer than jeer.
Cya up...Brazos
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CRASH,
It's not vapor ware. 2 of my squadies make regular trips to the Rat's Nest and have seen it with their own eyes.
It's just a realy HUGE project so it's taking time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I have as much faith in the Rat's as I do in HTC.
WW2 will be here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Udie
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Hey udie, leave me outa this.
Let the Nay sayers believe what they want. The sound of the 109 sent chills down my spine. Give it time gents, it will be worth it.
You wager a buck and your answer is Futter, Buck Futter.
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Dnil---Skyhawk until I get Dnil back :)
Maj. 900th Bloody Jaguars
Part time aircraft restorer. www.kingwoodcable.com/jheuer (http://www.kingwoodcable.com/jheuer)
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Don't get me wrong, I hople like hell it comes....I just aint countin' on it any time soon.....like another 9 months. It annoys me that they originally said they were gonna start open beta 1st quarter this year, and now they say, "well, maybe we'll have some new screen shots by first week in sept....9 months later.......thats lame, leads me to think it's alot of...what'd that guy call it? Vaperwear? I just aint gonna be lookin fer it fer a quite a long time if ever.
Oh, I definately aint brooding, I dont have time to play AH as it is, much less another sim...the whole thing just struck me as so much crap when they said maybe another new screenshot by 1st week sept after 9 months of "setbacks". At best, as a prospective customer, I dont appreciate all the hype (lieing) about when when the open beta's gonna start. Even if they do get this thing going, they had to know when they started making claims about when the open beta's gonna start that the dates they were giving weren't accurate. To me thats not hype, or preparing your audience, it's just lieing. Starting your brand new company with a lie screams to me that the business integrity of these people is nill. Too bad.
CRASH
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Crash- What on earth leads you to believe that they are "lieing" about anything? Do you grasp the conceptual difference between deliberate misinformation and unexpected delays? In this business, very few products , it seems, are released on a time frame consistent with original projections. Are the people that make those products all "liers" too?
edog
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Announcing your product is a double-edged sword.
Say nothing and people keep asking "when when when".
Give an estimate and don't make it and people start to moan (not necessarily you Crash, just an example) and question it.
Ask HTC when the next release is coming. If they give you a date, they are either nuts or confident. Don't make that date, and of course everyone will be talking about it.
It's a no win situation.
Fury ("two weeks")
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Originally posted by Fury:
Announcing your product is a double-edged sword.
Say nothing and people keep asking "when when when".
Give an estimate and don't make it and people start to moan (not necessarily you Crash, just an example) and question it.
Ask HTC when the next release is coming. If they give you a date, they are either nuts or confident. Don't make that date, and of course everyone will be talking about it.
It's a no win situation.
Well, I had no friggin clue HiTech Creations was working on a brand spanking new Flight Simulator about a year ago. I happened to see a post somewhere announcing an open beta and stumbled into AH. Best surprise ever. Never heard any hype about AH until the open beta began.
WWIIOnline, OTH, has been NOTHING but hype. Im sure they know what they want to do, but by involving all the potential users in the development process via forums, chats and BBS's, they are doing nothing except fueling expectations.
I would imagine the Rats will come out with something, sometime. They have set lofty expectations and as such, I dont expect it anytime soon...at least not at the level people have been talking. I have a feeling the first open beta will be similar to what we have in HTC now with maybe a bit more strat.
People who love the flight model in AH will hate the flight model in WWIIOnline. People who beg for more ground action in AH will love WWIIOnline. Its not a whole new genre...it offers some different action which will appeal to some and not to others. Will I check it out? You betcha (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Ding
[This message has been edited by Dingy (edited 08-16-2000).]
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They could have released it then just finished it as they went, ya know add a few things here and there month by month that seems to do the trick and brings in revenue, just call it a game with constant upgrades.....oh wait never mind.
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They could have used an old engine and promise a major upgrade for 18 months. Then ya know add a few tweeks there month by month that seems to do the trick and brings in revenue by the hour, just call it a game with no upgrades.....oh wait never mind.
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this migh be a suprise but i really like this game , ww2 online is gonna be aimed at a different market i think. im shure most of us will play it also but unless the flight is better than here i aint interested . they are promisin the world . we will see hts may piss me off but noone doughts they are workin hard god bless um . ( p.s. c hog still sucks (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
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An old squadmate of mine is in on the closed beta, it is not waporware (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Regards.
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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-
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Originally posted by Maniac:
An old squadmate of mine is in on the closed beta, it is not waporware (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Regards.
Ummm used to think that when you are in a closed beta, you cant say a word about the project...I recall someone said that you CANT say you ARE a beta tester...
Hummm...
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towd said:
ww2 online is gonna be aimed at a different market i think.
Yep, I agree towd. Besides the obvious fact that there is naval and land combat as well, I think WW2OL is going to be targeted(at least initially) to the person who doesn't just want a "quick air combat fix", and is more interested in deeper strat using historically correct aircraft. You won't be seeing any "Spitfire vs. Spitfire" battles in WW2OL. Instead, 109 vs. Spitfire, and Hurricanes vs. HE-111's.
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"Ummm used to think that when you are in a closed beta, you cant say a word about the project...I recall someone said that you CANT say you ARE a beta tester...
Hummm..."
And your point is what? Its fairly simple to figure out who the beta folks is...
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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-
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Personally they can take all the time they need to get it right.
I think they have bit off a bit more than they realised at the time. I also think they'll get it eventually it's just going to take time.
But thats fine, cause I've got AH to fly (Which keeps getting better & better with every passing month).
The more I read about it the more I come to see that perhaps HiTech is correct that they won't compete directly.
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Edog,
when you start a business you usually begin with a business plan. In it you plan for expenses like payroll, equipment leasing, rent, utilities, ect. If you misjudge your ability to generate revenue by 9 months you can pretty much be sure ur gonna be in bankrupcy court relatively quickly, unless of course you in fact knew beforehand when you would be able to generate revenue and planned accordingly, which again implies that they outright lied.
CRASH
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Crash you're pushing it a bit too far.
I am absolutely sure they have funding for well beyond 9 months. "Playnet" is making wwIIonline and they have other projects. Furthermore, they have around 25 employees.. believe me there are some big guys giving them alot of support.
I do see your point though about the delays, it tends to "annoy". However, this is absolutely NOTHING compared to a game called SuddenStrike. The demo was supposed to be out last year, it ended up coming out this year. The commercial version has even been completely yet. The worst part is the company, "CDV", never ever told the fans about wtf was happening. Really horrible service to the community.
CRS on the otherhand listens to us, the fans, and gives us feedback like every other day. Personally, I think the only ones close to giving such fan based support is HTC.
Either way, I think both AH and wwIIo "will" be great products.
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Saw this today, and it seems to fit. hehe!
(http://www.calvinandhobbes.com/strips/89/08/ch8908188626.gif)
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An old squadmate of mine is in on the closed beta, it is not vaporware
I was on the closed beta for Eidos Confirmed Kill. Ever see that game released? Beta testing does not a game make.
I'm not trying to say WWII-Online won't make it... just that nothing is guaranteed in this industry. They have the advantage of actually trying something new.. thought only by era. Janes was supposed to do the same thing for modern-day (real-time), but that never materialized due to the complex issues that arrise.
I wish WWII-Online all the luck in the world. They are going to need it.
AKDejaVu
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CRASH,
you seem to not understand the internet strategy. If you fall behind squedule and need more money, you don't file for bankrupty, you go looking for venture capital. Only if you can't find venture capital do you start laying people off and preparring for bankruptcy.
Sheesh, trying to bring real business sense to the internet economy. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
Sisu
-Karnak
[This message has been edited by Karnak (edited 08-18-2000).]