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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sundiver on November 19, 2003, 10:26:08 AM
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First this thread is intended primarily to address hunting within the United States as I know nothing of hunting in other countries.
That being said I am strongly in favor of hunting in the US. In my case I was born and raised for alot of my life so far back in the hills of Kentucky that it makes the Beverly Hillbillies look like urbane sophisticates. I had my first .22 when I was six and my grandfather was teaching me to hunt squirrel and rabbit by the time I was seven. For us it was a matter of putting food on the table.
In the US we have by and large eliminated all the large predators in the ecosystem and when I say "we" in this case I'm referring to the original settlers and later the farmers who perceived and in some cases correctly that large predators were a threat to the livestock or their families.
In the twentieth and indeed into the twenty-first century it has fallen upon humans to provide wildlife management since we have caused the ecosystem to swing so far out of balance. The culling of game animals is a /major/ component of this management scheme.
Personally, I enjoy knowing that I can put meat on the table for my family whatever the situation. I enjoy knowing that some of what I eat I have killed myself. I don't trophy, never have never will. I don't understand that mindset but I don't condemn those hunters either. These people who will happily go to McDonalds and order a BigMac or walk into the local chain supermarket abd purchase five pounds of hamburger meat then condemn a hunter for actually going to great effort to kill what he eats are the one's that anger me. Where's the rationale in that?
I strongly feel that hunting is a good skill to have that it's a good skill to learn as a child. It teaches paitence, it teaches a respect for nature and the balance therein, it teaches a respect for firearms. So many children die because the only exposure they've had to firearms is on television.
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Absolutely nothing wrong with hunting providing if you kill it, you eat it.
Been hunting since I was 12. Although in my older years, I'm finding its easier to go out into the woods and sleep, then go to the supermarket and pick up a t-bone and a 6pack.
:D
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I used to hunt, haven't in a number of years. I have nothing against it if the game that is shot is taken for food. I haven't shot any animals that couldnt be cooked up and eaten.
I wouldn't mind going Prarie Dog shooting though. :)
dago
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Never done it, don't have a problem with it.
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For if you are actually going to eat it.
Against if you are just doing it to feel like a man.
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Hmmmmm......good clean untainted meat, yum.:aok
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For it if we can figure out how to arm the deer...;)
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Originally posted by muckmaw
For it if we can figure out how to arm the deer...;)
*chuckles* Agreed, never understood the peeps that liked to hunt deer with high-powered rifles either. Been a bow hunter most of my adult life cept for birds.
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Hunting is neccessary to help keep the deer population down to reasonable levels. It's either that, or let the deer starve.
The only problem I have with hunting is that hunters, unlike animal predators, always try to shoot the strongest, most prime physical specimen they can find, whereas natural predators prey on the weak, sickly deer that can't run as fast.
I don't like killing animals, so I don't hunt.
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it's a good thing. get to know your food before you eat it.
whether through hunting or a visit to a farm, every one should take at least one meal from walking around all the way to the dinner plate. people would appreciate what they have a bit more if they really understood where their food came from.
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i've only hunted what i could eat and we ate what i killed.
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I belive that hunting for food is not only acceptable, but commendable. I do, however, know people that just like to shoot animals. In season, out of season, edible, non-edible. That kind of killing mentality is wrong in my opinion and I've tried to make them understand that, to no avail. While I can't stop them from doing it, I don't participate in those hunts or allow them to hunt my land...sooner or later the Game Warden will catch them and the price to pay will be hefty. BTW, a good friend just took a 5 point non-typical whitetail on my place last weekend...looking forward to some nice backstrap and sausage very soon.:)
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I'm against me killing defenseless animals. Unless they bother me, then they've earned it. I couldn't care less what others choose to do with their time. Well, I take that back...somebody go bag a deer and send me some venison summer sausage! mmmmmm
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I could easily kill animal, but I couldn't bring myself to eat him. Way too gamey.
MiniD
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Originally posted by SOB
I'm against me killing defenseless animals.
What if the animal has hired Johnny Cochran?
-Sik
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Originally posted by SOB
I'm against me killing defenseless animals. Unless they bother me, then they've earned it. I couldn't care less what others choose to do with their time. Well, I take that back...somebody go bag a deer and send me some venison summer sausage! mmmmmm
*chuckles* I've got about four pounds of moose summer sausage left in my freezer that do? ;)
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Originally posted by Sikboy
What if the animal has hired Johnny Cochran?
Well, you see, that kinda bothers me... :D
PS...never had Moose before, except for that Moose Tracks ice cream, but I think that's got artificial Moose in it.
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The tracks are artificial but the the moose poop isn't SOB.
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Originally posted by Mini D
I could easily kill animal, but I couldn't bring myself to eat him. Way too gamey.
MiniD
soak the meat in milk or salty water overnight or 24 hours, in frige. that will take the gamey taste out.
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Uh, bigsky, I think Mini-D was referring to "Animal" of the O'club, as opposed to animals found in the wild.
I don't think Animal would fit in the fridge....well, maybe if we cut his arm & legs off.
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So you're saying that Animal is way too gamey even for soaking in milk or salt water? Yeah, probably.
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So if I soaked in milk over night you'd eat me? I wonder if this works on girls too.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
So if I soaked in milk over night you'd eat me? I wonder if this works on girls too.
MiniD
If you gotta soak em in milk first, you might want to look for fresher girls.
-Sik
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I don't hunt anymore. The last Deer I took was a Mule Doe in Montana in 1995... Hard downhill, appx 450yrds, high winds with a 7x57 and I pegged her within an inch of where I meant the bullet to go. So, considered I'd probably never make a better shot, and as I got older I disliked killing animals for any reason more and more, I quit.
I'm not against hunting, We need hunting to keep the herds healthy. The growth of the population of Man has left very few, if any areas of the world that Deer (among many other animals) can survive without active wildlife management.
There are two things that really bother me about hunting though...
First and foremost, I'm not just against Trophy hunting, I hate it. Now, if the hunter doesn't waste, thats fine but those who hunt (especially with a firearm) for the sole pupose of bragging rights IMHO is a retard who oughta be taken out and horsewhipped, BY A HORSE! And these guys who go out and Trophy hunt then try and condone killing by giving away or donating the meat... gimme a break, that guy has issues!
Second, HUNTING PROGRAMS!! NOTHING irks me more than watching some dipwit hunting show where they kill, then dance with glee over "the prize Buck"!! For godsakes WHAT else could do more damage to keeping hunting alive (as needed) than watching a proud buck drop like a wet rag to the shot of some noodle who sounds like the 3rd grade was a major accomplishment???? Oh sure, lets just broadcast our handsomehunk-hick selves across the entire nation (to include those who have no clue what or why we need wildlife management)... ya, that'll teach them city-slickers :rolleyes:
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...it teaches a respect for nature and the balance therein...
Perhaps, but what is the lesson taught? Here's how I see it. Deer overpopulation has been caused by two main factors: 1) predator elimination caused by humans (as you mentioned) and 2) destruction of wildlife habitat to make room for WalMarts and other human dwellings.
The human solution to human-caused eco-problems and human caused nature imbalances? Kill 'em. We've eliminated the predators and the habitat, might as well eliminate what is left. Problem solved. :)
IMHO not the best lesson to teach.
The rest of your points are fine.
For the record, I don't hunt, but am not against hunting provided you eat what you kill and can take down an animal skillfully. In fact, I live in rural Virginia and there's a hunt-club right across road from my house, and several more hunt clubs within a few miles.
A skilled and educated hunter is more efficient than a slaughterhouse. Both in terms of killing an animal and in terms of waste, not to mention a much greater respect for their "target".
Canned-hunters, baiters and poachers, well... it's not best to f*&k with mother nature. ;)
banana makes a good point (anti-Darwin thinning of the herd) but without natural predators, I wonder if it really makes a difference anymore. *shrug*
Kekule
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I myself like guns, and I like to eat deer, rabbit, squirrel, and other wild animals, but I don't like to shoot them myself. I like to shoot at targets or other things I setup. I've never been hunting, and never really want to, but I love it when others go hunting and give me deer meat. Venison Jerky, Venison sausage, and venison in general is the best tasting meat, anyone near Oklahoma have any extra? :D
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I like hunting, my dad gave me a .12 gauge 2 years ago (when I was 14) and since then I've been hunting a lot (mainly deer, goose(which we have to hunt a lot in Quebec or we'll have too much of them), and duck), it's quite sad that there aren't more teeneagers that are into hunting, I think it can make us more responsible and patient, and Lords knows my generation needs both of these.
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If it ain't vermin or you ain't going to eat it don't kill it. Anything else is fair game.
If you are going to hunt it, use a gun (or a bow I suppose). I can't abide these people who set dogs to tear foxes, stags or badgers apart.
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OH, hehe swoosh. i didnt get it.
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It needs to be done and if people eat what they kill I am fine with it. Plus is makes green tree hugging rutabagas want to cry so it is all the better.
I want to go dear hunting and use my M1 Garand.
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Ok ..I'm on record as being a Serious ANTI. You see-there's this guy at work that goes into the woods and shoots squirrels and just leaves them there. Just dead on the ground. He giggles at work saying, "Aw you should have seen this brain shot I got this weekend." Pisses me off. Capt. Appathy has made me think twice about hunting though.
My new boss is a serious Brid hunter and I'm impressed with the level of skill involved. The dog etc.. its kinda cool.
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I believe the state of Pennsylvania should lead the nation by putting a bounty of $5.00 on every Canadian goose killed and turned in for disposal. The dispatching of these ‘fowls’ would not necessarily have to be by firearm. A baseball bat would be fine.
A lifting of any bans on hunting in residential areas would be necessary but in these locals firearm use would be limited to .22 cal birdshot. (You’d have to get close and do a ‘head shot’)
‘Redemptions Centers’ with dumpsters setup at convenient locations would be a ‘must’. When everything was running smoothly you could drive up, toss in your ‘kills’, collect the cash and be on your way in a few minutes.
This program would take us all to a much higher ‘Quality of Life’ for the present and future.
Please understand, I’m serious.
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I'm for hunting.
1. Pisses off urban liberals and tree huggers.
2. Animals are yummy.
3. The ones that aren't yummy make great live action targets.
4. When we finally revolt against the socialist regime, and America resembles a cross between Mad Max and Snow Crash, it will be nice to have a source of fresh meat.
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We gottem here like roaches. They poop every where. They are still considered endangerd though ?
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Pro-hunting here.
Its good meat and we killed off all the big predators that controled the herbivor populations. Now we need to do the job.
And yes, I'm a Liberal. Grew up in the countryside, now live in the suburbs. Not sure where that puts me in terms of "urban Liberals".
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Originally posted by Otto
I believe the state of Pennsylvania should lead the nation by putting a bounty of $5.00 on every Canadian goose killed and turned in for disposal. The dispatching of these ‘fowls’ would not necessarily have to be by firearm. A baseball bat would be fine.
A lifting of any bans on hunting in residential areas would be necessary but in these locals firearm use would be limited to .22 cal birdshot. (You’d have to get close and do a ‘head shot’)
‘Redemptions Centers’ with dumpsters setup at convenient locations would be a ‘must’. When everything was running smoothly you could drive up, toss in your ‘kills’, collect the cash and be on your way in a few minutes.
This program would take us all to a much higher ‘Quality of Life’ for the present and future.
Please understand, I’m serious.
I know you are serious and I'd vote for the same law in Oregon.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Karnak
Pro-hunting here.
Its good meat and we killed off all the big predators that controled the herbivor populations. Now we need to do the job.
And yes, I'm a Liberal. Grew up in the countryside, now live in the suburbs. Not sure where that puts me in terms of "urban Liberals".
I mean the ones who have never seen a gun or a wild animal except on TV or on vacation.
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Definitely for, provided you use what you kill.
Grew up in farm country. We were allowed to shoot as many deer as we wanted a year if they were destroying crops. My family (whole family, uncles, cousins, etc.) probably killed (and ate) 20-25 deer a year. Also hunted squirrels, dove, rabbits, pheasant, but always ate what we killed. If deer went unhunted where I'm from (rural PA), they would become a nuisance very quickly.
*I have been known to shoot a squirrel with a high-powered rifle when I get really bored during deer season. They're tree rats, who gives a chit.
Haven't hunted since I left that area, but if I moved back, I'd dust off the .270 and mow some more bambis down.
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In Salem, they actually have a spot right next to the women's prison where people come and feed these flying rodents. There are even crossing signs on the road with ducks on them and traffic comes to a halt when these fowl creatures want to cross the road. I've never stopped unless there are cars in front of me stopped impeding my way...fortunately I've never hit one. I'd hate to have to clean that off of my car.
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PRO HUNTING HERE!
I grew up where all I had to do was step outside and I was in the woods hunting. When I was in high school I could hunt from 5am till 7am and if I killed something in the morning I knew my granddad would come down and finish cleaning what I started. Then it was into one of the 4 deep freezers we had at home for the meat unless it was taken to the kitchen for grandmom or granddad to prepare. Then I knew when I got home that afternoon if it was squirrels that we were having squirrel dumplings with wild rice and stewed tomatoes.....HOT DAMN WHERE'S MY GUN I HAVE A SQUIRREL NEST IN THE TREE OUTSIDE THE HOUSE! I probably took between 40-50 deer from the time I was 10 till I turned 21. I don't hunt for trophy animals and never have. I don't deny that having one on the wall would be nice but it is very low on my order of how to provide low cost high quality meat for the family. I also use bow/arrow, black powder, and rifles while hunting deer. For birds (dove, quail, turkey, phesant) I use an old Browning 12 gauge that used to be my granddad's shotgun.
I don't hunt like I used to but I still try to go quite a bit. I love to bird hunt (especially doves and quails) but the quail population here has taken a huge hit due to wolves and coyotes moving into the area. They destroy the nests and eat the eggs as do wild pigs. Now those are pest animals with no bag limit and I will gladly shoot any and leave them laying where they are killed. Anyone who has had to leave a deer that was just shot because of a pack of coyotes coming in will understand that rationale. Also coyotes are beginning to become the predator on Whitetail deer here in Alabama. Last year I witnessed two deer in a food plot about 350-400 meters from me get jumped by 15-20 coyotes. The deer made a fight of it but got swamped by the pack. I shot several rounds into the area with my .30-30 Winchester but at that range it was like lobbing a mortar round in there. So I bugged out while they were occupied with their dinner.
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SOB,
You definitely sound like one of them Kalifornia's that moved up North.
No need to deny it, you're like a glass onion, man.
Golly-geen Kalifornians!
Oregon... nice place to visit, but please don't stay!
Reschke... how manly it is of you to let your granddad do the dirty work for you? :aok Please tell me you learned to gut your own mammals at some point in your life. Or do you even buy your ground beef pre-packed into nice little hamburger patties?
P.S. If you use "meters" as a unit of distance, you sure as hell ain't born and raised in Alabama. If I am mistaken, please explain your use of the metric system.
Kekule
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From Kalifornia?! You ****ing take that back, you take it the **** back RIGHT NOW! :mad:
I'm from Wisconsin...Oregon is paradise by comparison! :D
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
I mean the ones who have never seen a gun or a wild animal except on TV or on vacation.
Damn. Guess I don't qualify. Stupid bears, elk and rattlesnakes ruining my "Urban Liberal" qualification chances.
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Dear is much better than beef, imo.
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Rather indifferent, as long as it's eaten, and no one comes near my house and starts shooting up the wildlife, it doesn't bother me that much.
Hate trophy hunting, it serves no purpose other than to show off to other inbred hicks.
The people that lived in this house before i did hunted.. I can tell because i found a deer leg under my porch just recently.. makes me sick, to be honest.. Don't like animal parts.. bleh.
Hunting animals for fur is the thing that really pisses me off, it just isn't necassary anymore.
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I wont hunt until the deer can shoot back. To me its defenceless and I find it no fun. I dont hunt though and Ill let the others keep the deer population down. Put yourself in the deers shoes once. No way in hell I would want to be there.
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deer is great. but (for mexican food especially) you can't beat elk.
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I'm glad hunting is still legal, otherwise all those rifles in my safe would just be for plinking,and whoever heard of plinking with a 300 win mag? :D
Eat what you kill....unless we're talking about the squirrel that tried to get in my attic....it would take a week to pick out all the birdshot.
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Deer don't wear shoes.
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I take it back. ;)
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Guess I would have to say I'm pro-hunting ;)
I guess I could talk about the millions spent for conservation by hunters and fishermen. Or the thousands of pounds of game meat donated to fight hunger every year. Or the connection you feel to nature when your out there. Learning to appreciate the beauty. But also how to read nature. How to understand it in a way that you don't just from looking at it. What attracts the animal. What signs it leaves. Where to find them. How it really is a spiritual thing to me.
But really, I hunt because it is in me. It is a part of me. Especially after I eat what I shot.
:D
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I don’t have anything against most hunting, but certain hunters are really starting to bug me. Last year some dip**** put up a tree stand on my property. We raise horses and the last thing I need is some Daniel Boone wannabe popping off a rifle at something moving in the morning fog.
And the same dip**** or one of his associates kept taking down a section of our fence. I got so tired of repairing it finally just put a gate there.
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Metal gates are really sweet to climb over, none of the hassles of a fence.
This the Animal thread?
Sorry.
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Originally posted by myelo
I don’t have anything against most hunting, but certain hunters are really starting to bug me. Last year some dip**** put up a tree stand on my property. We raise horses and the last thing I need is some Daniel Boone wannabe popping off a rifle at something moving in the morning fog.
And the same dip**** or one of his associates kept taking down a section of our fence. I got so tired of repairing it finally just put a gate there.
I'd say it's time to go hunting.:aok
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Originally posted by mia389
I wont hunt until the deer can shoot back. To me its defenceless and I find it no fun. I dont hunt though and Ill let the others keep the deer population down. Put yourself in the deers shoes once. No way in hell I would want to be there.
Didn't you see the animal attack video of a hunter getting the **** kicked out of him by a deer? The video was taken by the guys wife. She kept filming instead of trying to stop the attack....
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hunting dont bother me...long as they arnt poaching...
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I can't kill anything mammialian, practice catch and realease too.
That's just me, I like guns and don't mind others hunting responsilby...but there are some hunters that I'd like to see the tables reversed on.
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I would catch and release the deer, but I don't think they'd make it very far.