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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: sax on November 19, 2003, 10:15:55 PM
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You were right all along about festers map , it isn't fair you fellas.
Tonite on Mindano the fuel was porked to 25 along the whole front--couple a rear bases as well.
You ruined the whole evening for the furball dweebs
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You should be more flexible! :lol
I play strat and furball occasionally, even the small maps are tolerable because i can do either of these and still have fun..
Had some fun inadvertantly furballing in a Boston 3.. only killed a 109 with the 4 .303s but it was still pretty satisfying. :)
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Not sure if im a Strat guy or not, little of both i suppose,
what are we called ? ")
I dont understand why so many Pork runs are directed at fuel resources, when its so much easier to pop a couple of Barraks and disable troops , if you country is in defensive posture anyway
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Originally posted by Rutilant
You should be more flexible! :lol
I play strat and furball occasionally, even the small maps are tolerable because i can do either of these and still have fun..
Had some fun inadvertantly furballing in a Boston 3.. only killed a 109 with the 4 .303s but it was still pretty satisfying. :)
You should take your own advice next time feaster comes up:lol
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I like to do both, i don't like being limited to just one. :)
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sax... they don't get it. try again in a couple of years.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
sax... they don't get it. try again in a couple of years.
lazs
Pot.. kettle.. kiss my shiny metal arse. :)
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A good idea would be to continually insult those on your country that might venture up to stop the other "strat" players. That works pretty well. Afterall, there's only one country that had 2/3 of its forward fields at 25%... all the rest had no more than 1 field at less than 125%. I guess the constant barrage might have worked on the knits... but it doesn't seem to be working on those continually kicking the knit's ass.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
A good idea would be to continually insult those on your country that might venture up to stop the other "strat" players. That works pretty well. Afterall, there's only one country that had 2/3 of its forward fields at 25%... all the rest had no more than 1 field at less than 125%. I guess the constant barrage might have worked on the knits... but it doesn't seem to be working on those continually kicking the knit's ass.
MiniD
That's funny....gettin my arse kicked and I'm not even aware of it.
I suppose that those of you who prefer strat could care less if the current gameplay prohibits others from having fun. That's the spirit.....sure don't want a game where we ALL might enjoy ourselves....that would be awful.
Of course, the answer offerred up by most strat guys goes like this....hey, do what we do the way we say to do it or go to the DA...yeah...that works.
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Why wouldn't it work?
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rude... i believe deja means "reset" when he says "getting their bellybutton kicked".
I think that I have personally seen like 2 resets in all the time I have played AH. I don't recall it being particulary spectacular or having the feeling of having my bellybutton kicked. I have had my bellybutton kicked (yyes... hard to believe i know) a few times and the resets never felt much like a good bellybutton kicking... but then... maybe it's just us.
lazs
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Originally posted by Rude
That's funny....gettin my arse kicked and I'm not even aware of it.
You must not be... because that is what this thread started about. One country was getting their bellybutton handed to them by another... hell... not even two... just one. Though... the author would have you believe all bases were like this.I suppose that those of you who prefer strat could care less if the current gameplay prohibits others from having fun. That's the spirit.....sure don't want a game where we ALL might enjoy ourselves....that would be awful.
Nothing about the map prohibits fun. As a matter of fact, I'll take this moment to say I've never seen so much whining and snivelling about something as when a propenent of "fun" was hanging out in his CV ack for nearly an hour typing insults to anyone that brought a bomber near it. I do believe that there are several people that have completely lost perspective on what "fun" is.Of course, the answer offerred up by most strat guys goes like this....hey, do what we do the way we say to do it or go to the DA...yeah...that works. [/b]
The DA offers the one thing you insist you're looking for. What you don't realize is that you'd rather make others fly that way too. Someday you'll realize the difference between something simulating a battle and what you want. One requires adjustment the other doesn't allow for it.
MiniD
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Originally posted by lazs2
rude... i believe deja means "reset" when he says "getting their bellybutton kicked".
I think that I have personally seen like 2 resets in all the time I have played AH. I don't recall it being particulary spectacular or having the feeling of having my bellybutton kicked. I have had my bellybutton kicked (yyes... hard to believe i know) a few times and the resets never felt much like a good bellybutton kicking... but then... maybe it's just us.
lazs
I think your right....we obviously are missing out on the heart thumpin reset thingie...oh....wait a sec...I think it has to do with perk points...I've heard some speak of that being the motivation.
If all else fails, we can follow the advice of Rutilant...he seems to have an awful lot of fun avoiding fights....perhaps it is us who are confused and misdirected?
Of course there is the post he made about having Roy remove the 163 from the dueling arena....he won't tell me why, but my guess is that a 163 ruined his idea of fun in the DA....hey...wait a minute....I see how it works....when something takes place that he and those of his ilk do not like, they want it changed!
Imagine that.
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Originally posted by Rude
If all else fails, we can follow the advice of Rutilant...he seems to have an awful lot of fun avoiding fights....
Where in the hell did you get that idea?
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Originally posted by Rutilant
Where in the hell did you get that idea?
fighter stats...
tour 43 - Kills / Hour 4.68
tour 44 - Kills / Hour 4.428
tour 45 - Kills / Hour 4.356
tour 46 - Kills / Hour 3.096
:rolleyes:
:rofl
:aok
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And?
They aren't 20+ like all these 'uber' furballer fly n die types, but because they aren't up to your standards i avoid fights?
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Originally posted by Mini D
You must not be... because that is what this thread started about. One country was getting their bellybutton handed to them by another... hell... not even two... just one. Though... the author would have you believe all bases were like this.Nothing about the map prohibits fun. As a matter of fact, I'll take this moment to say I've never seen so much whining and snivelling about something as when a propenent of "fun" was hanging out in his CV ack for nearly an hour typing insults to anyone that brought a bomber near it. I do believe that there are several people that have completely lost perspective on what "fun" is.The DA offers the one thing you insist you're looking for. What you don't realize is that you'd rather make others fly that way too. Someday you'll realize the difference between something simulating a battle and what you want. One requires adjustment the other doesn't allow for it.
MiniD
You can't be this confused....I've stated openly all along, I want you strat guys to strat till ya can't stand it any longer...to tell me I want others to fly like me is a lie....plain and simple....I've never said that.
You make the statement that nothing about a map prohibits fun....well, I don't agree with that.....if that were true, then why do so many rue the Pizza map? Fact is, it's simply your opinion.
Interesting how you cuddle me like a first year student with the remark about how someday I'll realize....I've played this game and WB's and AWDOS over 12 years every way there is to play....I can jabo, drive around and kill stuff, float in boats and kill stuff, drop bombs and actually hit my target....you've missed my point.
I fly AH because of my friends in my squad and the many others which I've met personally or have known online for years....if I relied only on the game, I would have been gone long ago....still...for me and others to wish for an enviroment which is friendly to our interests, without limiting the interests of others, really shouldn't bother you like it does....unless of course you don't like us or have some other silly misconception of who we are or what we want, which seems to be the case.
Hurry up Dale!!!
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N' another thing! Does that take into account how much i sit idle in the tower? I have a habit of alt-tabbing to get stuff taken care of, or leaving AH running while i'm not even in the room.. Does the k/h take that into account?
Or how well i don't do dogfighting in planes like the boston? New planes i'm trying out?
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Originally posted by Rutilant
N' another thing! Does that take into account how much i sit idle in the tower? I have a habit of alt-tabbing to get stuff taken care of, or leaving AH running while i'm not even in the room.. Does the k/h take that into account?
Or how well i don't do dogfighting in planes like the boston? New planes i'm trying out?
no.. time in tower is not included in any stats.
why don't you take that gamey dogbuffing boston to the DA?
:D
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really rutt... can't you just play offline and pretend that people are looking for you.... or care what you are doing?
lazs
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Can't you just go in the DA and pretend people care about you landing your kills?
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Originally posted by sax
Tonite on Mindano the fuel was porked to 25 along the whole front--couple a rear bases as well.
wow thats quite an achievement
WTG strat dudes :aok
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This whole debate has gotten so polarized that neither side is making any sense. That includes you rude.
This thread isn't about the vulnerability of fuel bunkers and the fact that they are too impactive... it's about believing a certain set of people are spoiling things for another. What a bunch of ****ing whining. It's no wonder people don't get heard since everyone is plugging their ears to avoid the screaching noise.
If these threads could start discussing the real issue and continue on... maybe something might get resolved. But it won't because instantly someone will show up and claim someone else doesn't know what they are talking about and then cite their stats as proof.... while making fun of them for being stat-centric in the same breath.
Oh well... you'll continue to insist threads like his are the solution... and text like what I'm seeing on channel 1 is the solution. I'll sit back and say "no wonder" when someone complains they aren't having any fun.
MiniD
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deja... if your solution is to do nothing then you have no solution nor any right to complain about people complaining. Are you saying that we don't have the right to complain about a lopsided feature in a game we pay to play? if you are saying that you don't have any opinion and don't want to hear anyone elses then.... why do you even read these threads?
rutt..... people care if I land kills?
lazs
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Not like you think they do.. since furballin is all about gettin your name in lights.
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Yeh, MiniD, it's gone on so long it's just become personal. People are prolly more interested in flaming eachother than logically discussing these things.. oh well.
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furballing is about getting your name in lights? is that what you think? you are spending all your time being jealous of something we don't even care much about?
you are looking at it from your perspective not ours.... I think most of us land to not give someone a kill that they don't deserve... if there were no "you have been captured" and some loser get credit for a kill.... I would probly ditch every time to save time. Maybe try to land a really shot up plane once in a while tho just for the challenge.
lazs
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Jealousy? pfff, i couldn't care less who you kill while they aren't watching in a furball. It doesn't affect or concern me in the least, but you go do what you think is fun, and i'll do what i think is fun. Have an issue with what i do? Whine to HTC to make what i do ineffectual.
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Originally posted by lazs2
deja... if your solution is to do nothing then you have no solution nor any right to complain about people complaining. Are you saying that we don't have the right to complain about a lopsided feature in a game we pay to play? if you are saying that you don't have any opinion and don't want to hear anyone elses then.... why do you even read these threads?
I'm sorry lazs, could you show me where this thread was complaining about a lopsided feature? It sure seems to be aimed at people. I don't expect you to see the difference lazs. You've proven yourself unwilling to do anything but blame people for game issues with virtually every breath you take. Nothing better for promoting discussion than putting everyone on the defensive.
MiniD
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The folks who destroy fuel tanks and auger at front line bases are not playing the game strategically.
They are simply the Pork 'N Auger Look at me types.
Strat players will destroy the refinery and then go after the fuel at each field to really decimate it, but whats the point?
In the same amount of time, or less, one could mount an offensive and capture the damn field intact!
The strat in AH is broken, and has been for a long time. It does not make sense to even bother hitting a strat target when it's easier to capture the field.
And as for furballers, theres nothing wrong with admiting you like to see your name in lights. Everyone likes some recognition. Sure, a good solid one on one battle is the heart of the dogfight, but landing the kills and catching the WTGs from countrymates is a nice touch of gravy.
Now someone look up my stats before I feel left out.
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I put people on the defensive? how can that be? I am just trying to help them develop character and personality.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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i thought you got character by walking into a marsh naked with sugar water all over you...not by playing or whining about some silly game and how other people dont play it the way you want them to...but apparently ive been wasting my time with the marsh...thanks for telling me AFTER... jerk :p
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the former works too but the latter is a little more practical except for the worrying about people playing the way you want them to part.... people will play how they please if given the choice.
close fields are all about choice.
lazs
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then how come this debate keeps coming up???for every 1 succesfull raid on a proper strat target theres probably a whole lot more that dont make it...and just how far can you get on 25% fuel??? most furballs are in the middle of the sector and im pretty sure you can get that far and have at least 5 more minutes of fuel left....wich is plenty...
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Now someone look up my stats before I feel left out.
couldn't find any... but when i clicked "tools" at the top of iexplorer, i saw "muckmaw" as an entry.
;)
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Originally posted by lazs2
I put people on the defensive? how can that be? I am just trying to help them develop character and personality.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Lazs...
Character? Ok. Personality? Oh PULEEEZ! :D
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Originally posted by: Sax
You were right all along about festers map , it isn't fair you fellas.
Yeah one or two guys can't remove the ability to furball on the Fester map, but how is that unfair. Strat pork dweebs can still pork strat. Last night the furballers couldn't furball on Mindano.
Originally posted by: rutilant
I like to do both, i don't like being limited to just one.
Maybe now you see the point of the furballers. When have you not been able to pork strat on a map. Its almost always the case (minus Festers map) that you can't find a decent furball. Last night is a perfect example.
Originally posted by: miniD
but it doesn't seem to be working on those continually kicking the knit's ass.
Hehehe thats a good one - Take away the number advantage and I think there would be a whole lot less "Kicking the Knights ass" BTW where were you Tuesday night when knights were kicking ass.
Originally posted by: rutilant
'uber' furballer fly n die types
Originally posted by: rutilant
since furballin is all about gettin your name in lights.
Ok Rut, so which is it - Furballers dont care about landing or Furballers do care about landing? I guess you could answer this question if you look at the furballer in question's k/d ratio.
I believe everyone should be able to fly the way they want. The only problem is if you are a furballer you can only fly the way you want when Festers map is up or in the rare occasion that one starts on the other furball starved maps.
The whole point of the Fester map was to prove that moving the bases closer together would foster more furballs without affecting strat potatos. So now on Fester map furball potatos are happy and strat potatos can pork as usual.
So why are the Strat guys mad - I have no idea. If I read artiks wine about Fester map from the other day - it was because too many people were furballing. Is that a real problem?
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Originally posted by mars01
So why are the Strat guys mad - I have no idea. If I read artiks wine about Fester map from the other day - it was because too many people were furballing. Is that a real problem?
they're mad because they've been marginalized on a map like fester's. they can still get the same amount of points, pork the same stuff, but the impact of a few skill-less dweebs on a much wider audience of skill-less dweebs has been minimized.
they want their 15 mins of fame.
plus for the sa-challenged cherrypicker types, it's a little harder to manage to rtb with their hard-earned cherries. that and the fact that you have furball types actually managing to rtb and land 4-5-6-7 kills and getting the "wtg's!!" that are normally reserved for the cherrypickin' sky accountants.
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Hehehe thats a good one - Take away the number advantage and I think there would be a whole lot less "Kicking the Knights ass" BTW where were you Tuesday night when knights were kicking ass.
Yah... numbers... sure thing. Not really my fault knits are pouting whiners that log off if they aren't getting their way.
And I was playing Tuesday night... kicking knit bellybutton for a couple of hours. They've been some of the lamest fights I've had in some time. If the knits managed to do something... it was long after I logged... cause they weren't doing **** while I was on.
MiniD
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whaaaaaaaa
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wha...
:rofl
i do everything in this game..its kikasss...what the hell is wrong w/ you people..
btw muck..ur wrong strats do work....
if u kill the city %100 percent...thn kill any baaraks...they are not going to be able to have troops or supplies fro hours +.....
whaaa the rest of you...
Love
BiGB
xoxo
ps..im glad i have a good tiem flying anytime..some of you need to get soem other hobbies i think..
whaa
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Yep Shane sounds like it lol.
That would be Tuesday night after 10 O’clock est, US, mini. And I am not whining about the numbers, I like all the targets. And as far as a reset goes, who cares already have enough perkies.
But as a country kicking another countries ass, well that all comes down to numbers. Except for the MAW *), I really dont see anyone having an affect on the overall bellybutton kicking of one country over another. (hehehe tongue in cheek, gratuitous squad promotion. Now watch this thread turn lolh)
And the weenies that log off, who cares, its the ones that switch countries that are the gayest, low down, always have to have an advantage, high alt 25k or better, couldnt hit the broad side of a barn, mother humper, granmother humpin, sister, father, brother humpin, dirty cheese smellin, puss sack, douch bag SOBs of the game.
A big totally tubular to you all, im off to kill somethin, hopefully some of you lolh.
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It's a beating you head against the wall thing.
I log on and if the pork has ruined the fight I log off.
Lot easier on the forehead, and easier than playing the tape loop here.
I'm getting lazy..
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Originally posted by Mini D
You must not be... because that is what this thread started about. One country was getting their bellybutton handed to them by another... hell... not even two... just one. Though... the author would have you believe all bases were like this.
MiniD
Not attempting to make you or anyone else believe anything Mini:)
I was just pointing out that that strat guys were having a successful nite spoiling the fite for furballers.
Also giving them kudos for being right about festers map , there efforts there porking fuel tend to go unnoticed.
But what the heck it's your 2-bits you read into what ever makes ya happy
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Oh... I know what you'd have people believe sax. It's pretty damn apparent.
I'm sorry that your country happened to be having its bellybutton handed to it. It happens. As a result... so do threads like this.
MiniD
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nb... you are good at pushing computer map textures around... probly personality is not a subject you should talk about tho... I could sell ya one cheap tho if you're interested?
yeah deja... numbers are only one factor in the "kicking ass" and "winning" the "war"... caurse it is the only factor that is absolutely present every time.
I would be interested in seeing the K/D ratios of the the pieces... one would think that with such a numerical advantage the rooks would have like a 2/1 over the nits... more than that would be an "ass kicking" I would say.
lazs
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One last time....maps which allow ALL players to have fun are good....one's that don't, are not as good.
What about the above do you not understand or disagree with Mini?
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Originally posted by Mini D
Oh... I know what you'd have people believe sax. It's pretty damn apparent.
I'm sorry that your country happened to be having its bellybutton handed to it. It happens. As a result... so do threads like this.
MiniD
Mini:)Wrong--mostly anyways.
I really could care less if I die 50 times in a row or if the Knits are getting there butts kicked every nite.
What does irratate me is the lack of gas to go to a fite in my choice of plane.
As far as strat guys , hey it's there money and they can do what they like.
However if 10 guys determined to knock out fuel on a maps front line bases ruin that for me---and the old players like lazs ,--- the guys that supported this game from beta---don't wanna come out and fly---well thats bad for the game and HTC should make some changes.
On Festers map the strat guys can have at it on 75% of the front line bases and do there thing and enjoy.
That leaves a couple of bases for furballers , nobody steps on anybodys toes--all is good and fine:)
So Mini you can argue with me till your blue in the face --or vise versa---or you can pick apart my posts and analyse however ya want--fact remains that fuel porking is bad for the furballers soul and we i'm sure we make up at least 50% of the player base:)
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Originally posted by lazs2
nb... you are good at pushing computer map textures around... probly personality is not a subject you should talk about tho... I could sell ya one cheap tho if you're interested.
lazs
You would have to buy one on e-bay first. While your at it , pick yourself up one. :D
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Originally posted by sax
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Tonite on Mindano the fuel was porked to 25 along the whole front--couple a rear bases as well.
You ruined the whole evening for the furball dweebs [/B]
More than happy to oblige. ;)
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Right sax... except one is the cause of the other... something you seem entirely unable to comprehend. I mean... who cares if you don't feel you should have to do anything to stop it.
MiniD
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Originally posted by vorticon
then how come this debate keeps coming up???for every 1 succesfull raid on a proper strat target theres probably a whole lot more that dont make it...and just how far can you get on 25% fuel??? most furballs are in the middle of the sector and im pretty sure you can get that far and have at least 5 more minutes of fuel left....wich is plenty...
Of course your speculations arise from many hours of furballing in the MA ... right ?
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Originally posted by Mini D
Right sax... except one is the cause of the other... something you seem entirely unable to comprehend. I mean... who cares if you don't feel you should have to do anything to stop it.
MiniD
Part of the problem is that it is far easier to "pork" than "prevent" and/or "rebuild".
I love base defense ... and when a flight of 12K-15K typhoons, or P-38s, or P-51s come zooming into a field, all its takes is just a couple to slip thru the defense and the fuel is porked.
Way to simple compared to the effort to stop it. Thats the root problem.
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Originally posted by mars01
And the weenies that log off, who cares, its the ones that switch countries that are the gayest, low down, always have to have an advantage, high alt 25k or better, couldnt hit the broad side of a barn, mother humper, granmother humpin, sister, father, brother humpin, dirty cheese smellin, puss sack, douch bag SOBs of the game.
Actually, I thought most ppl switch countries to help the team that has the *least* numbers, netrek-style. Is this not the case?
If not, it might be a good idea to implement the netrek-style entrance protocol, meaning you automatically join the country with the least numbers when you log on, except for designated squad times. And perhaps even squads as a whole can be subject to this rule as well.
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Originally posted by:mold
Actually, I thought most ppl switch countries to help the team that has the *least* numbers, netrek-style. Is this not the case?
Nope not the case. What is netrek?
A few may switch to the country with the lower numbers, but they are far and away out numbered by the ones that switch to the country with the numbers.
Originally posted by:mold
If not, it might be a good idea to implement the netrek-style entrance protocol, meaning you automatically join the country with the least numbers when you log on.
How could that work. The game would decide what country you belong to every time you log in. That would suck, no country loyalty no squad loyalty blahhhh. I would rather the gangbangs. I dont care about the resets just the targets so its not so bad for me.
I just hate the unloyal opportunistic bastiges that change coutries as much as their minds. Thats just me tho.
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Originally posted by Mini D
Right sax... except one is the cause of the other... something you seem entirely unable to comprehend. I mean... who cares if you don't feel you should have to do anything to stop it.
MiniD
Well at least we are on equal ground here Mini--would seem both of us are having trouble with comprehention:)
Thx for the replyJackal--first time for me--I am now officially one of the BBS weenies:)
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Originally posted by mars01
A few may switch to the country with the lower numbers, but they are far and away out numbered by the ones that switch to the country with the numbers.
Well. That's pretty incredibly lame.
Originally posted by mars01
no country loyalty
Who cares... Actually, "country" loyalties just make the game unnecessarily vitriolic. Kind of like the axis vs allies thing did in WB. It fuels nonsensical nationalistic hatred which has no benefit, and really should have no place in this game. Best to have a netrek-like attitude, where you can join the feds or the roms or whatever, whichever has less players, and sometimes you play with your friends and sometimes you play against. That fosters both friendship *and* respect/civility. It also fosters growth and learning, since there are no artificial political hangups.
Oh yeah...more about netrek at www.netrek.org. This game has been around a very long time, like more than 15 years I think. Started in the unix world. It is a pretty interesting online game of strategy and tactics.
Originally posted by mars01
no squad loyalty
Yes, this factor is important. Not "loyalty" per se, but squad operations are an important part of the game. Hence my suggestion that squad members be allowed to join the country that the rest of the squad is on, at designated times. Each squad might have a different designated time slot. So the first squad member to log in would be limited to the country with the least number of players, but subsequent squad logins during the timeslot have a choice between the country with least numbers, and the country which the first squaddie joined.
I think this is an ideal solution.
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Hmmmm Net Trek maybe ill check it out.
As far as
"Actually, "country" loyalties just make the game unnecessarily vitriolic. Kind of like the axis vs allies thing did in WB. It fuels nonsensical nationalistic hatred which has no benefit, and really should have no place in this game."
Maybe but I think people realize this is a game. I dont hate the other countries, but we are fighting each other. No real politics in this game other than strat vs fur guys lol. I probably wouldnt fly if they made the switch you are suggesting. I like the guys in my country, I like finding some of the same guys when I log on. I can predict some of them and we can watch each others 6s. Also when I log on there are always some of my squad on so I would not like to be randomly assigned to a country.
Different Stokes I guess
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Originally posted by sax
Thx for the replyJackal--first time for me--I am now officially one of the BBS weenies:)
Welcome aboard the last train to Gun hill. Enjoy the ride. Refreshments are served once a day, but stay way from the sushi. :D
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Originally posted by mold
Who cares... Actually, "country" loyalties just make the game unnecessarily vitriolic. Kind of like the axis vs allies thing did in WB. It fuels nonsensical nationalistic hatred which has no benefit, and really should have no place in this game. Best to have a netrek-like attitude, where you can join the feds or the roms or whatever, whichever has less players, and sometimes you play with your friends and sometimes you play against. That fosters both friendship *and* respect/civility. It also fosters growth and learning, since there are no artificial political hangups.
Artificial political hangups:confused: . Now THAT is lame. Fostering growth and learning :confused: . What do you want to play, an air combat simulation or Barney Does War? Yah...we can all fly purple planes, give each other hugs and sing cute lil songs. Friendship, respect and civility are all earned here. Can't we all just get along??? Oh my GAWD...I think I'm gonna puke!!! In the immortal words of Dok Gonzo...."The Hate is good. Feel the Hate." :D
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Yeah. MENSA called. The news is not good, my friend.
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If anyone sees the driver of that turnip truck, tell him one fell off. :D