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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: LePaul on November 20, 2003, 09:15:03 AM
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I've seen most of these 'Who Dunnit' shows before, but last night they aired a documentary I'd never seen...looked new. The two things that caught my mind were...
1) Talking to the CIA Sniper who was asked to assasinate a guy who worked out of Bethesda (sp?) Medical Center. This guy had genuine autopsy photos and had made a comment to coworkers that the shot that killed Kennedy hit in the right front temple. It also showed the extensive damage as the bullet exited the back of his head. The CIA Sniper declined but his friend thru Sniper school was asked. This guy never put the two things together until 1993, when he saw a tv show that listed all the names of people that met violent deaths and were asscoiated with the JFK investigation...the guy who worked in Bethesda was one. Further, this guy tried to contact his old cohort...no replies. When he threatened to get a Congressman involved, the Gov't claimed no such person ever existed. This gentleman has documentation to prove otherwise.
2) People have been stuck on the grassy knowell (sp?) theory for ages. Investigators tried to line up where the car was and where the shooter must have been based of videos and photos taken. One thing no one else seems to have noticed was a sewer drain/storm drain. They conclude that someone could have fit in there, fired the shots (and the angles/ballastics tend to agree with this)...then make their escape out the sewer system into the nearby river.
I've been seeing these shows off and on for years...this was the first one that really had me sitting there going...wow...
Anyone else been catching these?
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Are you sure he was a sniper, and not a ninja?
-Sik
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Some things trouble me..
If there was a conspiracy, why was Jack Ruby allowed to rot in jail all those years, and given a long, slow death, thereby risking a deathbed confession?
If there was no conspiracy, why would a thug like Ruby put himself in a position where he knew he was going to get pinched for nothing more than a gesture to a president's widow, whom he had never met?
On the other hand, there had to be 4 shots to cause all that damage to Connoly and Kennedy. 4 shots makes a second shooter a necessity, thereby proving conspiracy.
The weak point in the Oswald acting alone theory is the magic bullet and the Zapruder film that no one ever anticipated.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
On the other hand, there had to be 4 shots to cause all that damage to Connoly and Kennedy. 4 shots makes a second shooter a necessity, thereby proving conspiracy.
4 shots means a second shooter... okay... put a second shooter doesn't prove conspiracy. It makes conspiracy probable.
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I'm buying into the LBJ theroy.
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I was watching some of the programs as well. Very interesting indeed. They do present a lot of different interesting theories.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
4 shots means a second shooter... okay... put a second shooter doesn't prove conspiracy. It makes conspiracy probable.
By definition, a second shooter proves conspiracy.
It does not proved WHO conspired, but unless 2 totally unrelated people who never spoke to each other happened to shoot the president at the same exact place and time, there must be a conspiracy.
So the interesting debate follows.
Who was the second shooter?
But the real question is why.
Why did they kill the president?
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Who would want the President killed: Mafia
Why would they want President killed: New laws against organized crime. Some say the mafia helped Kennedy get elected.
Ruby killed Oswald to keep him from talking. I guess Ruby thought he would be released from prison early, but instead died a few years later.
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my question is, how did they know to look for Oswald..... 10 minutes after the shooting they had a discription and a name..... nobody saw oswald do it, so where did they get this info from?
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Ruby should have been whacked in prison.
That's the easiest place in the world to eliminate a loose end.
Why would the mob let him live?
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Whaaaaa?....The Zapruder films shows it to be a forward head shot if it was Oswald's bullet it would of been a rear head shot.
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Originally posted by BEVO
my question is, how did they know to look for Oswald..... 10 minutes after the shooting they had a discription and a name..... nobody saw oswald do it, so where did they get this info from?
I think he was arrested for killing JD Tippit, the Dallas Police Officer. He was not charged with killing Kennedy until later on, IIRC.
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yeah, but no one saw him do that either!
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Originally posted by muckmaw
It does not proved WHO conspired, but unless 2 totally unrelated people who never spoke to each other happened to shoot the president at the same exact place and time, there must be a conspiracy.
Exactly... what if two separate people happened to pick the exact same place and time to shoot the president but didn't conspire with each other? It's not probable, but it's possible.
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Originally posted by Torque
Whaaaaa?....The Zapruder films shows it to be a forward head shot if it was Oswald's bullet it would of been a rear head shot.
If you watch the zapruder film, to me, it looks like the kill shot came from behind, as the spray of blood and brains seems to project from the right from of the skull.
However, Jackie is reaching back onto the trunk to retrieve a piece of skull, which should have been projected forward, right?
Also, dont the autopsy photos show an intact face, with the rear of the head blasted out? Would'nt this be an exit wound to the rear?
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Exactly... what if two separate people happened to pick the exact same place and time to shoot the president but didn't conspire with each other? It's not probable, but it's possible.
And both decided to kill him in Dealy Plaza?
And both fired their weapons within the same 4 second time frame?
Please don't take this the wrong way, Sandy, but I would consider the odds of this astronomical.
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There were only four other documented places a second gunman could have hidden.
1.Storm drain on Elm Street- This theory was proven to be false after a re-enactment was done. From the drain, there was no way a person in there would be able to see the President, much less have a clean shot.
2. North end of the bridge the limo was to pass under- This theory was disproven because arieal shots of Dealy Plaza moments after the shots were fired showed the area empty, with no access to storm drains or areas of concealment.
3. South end of the same bridge- This theory was proven false due to the presence of railroad workers in the area, none of which saw anyone suspicious, as they all knew each other.
4. The grassy knoll- This theroy, while valid, is still a long shot. The area the shooter was said to be in did not offer a clean shot at the motorcade, as the line of sight to Elm Street was blocked my numerous trees and people. The only window of oppertunity to fire at the president was only about a second long, and the place where the fatal shot struck the president did not support the grassy knoll theory.
It was proven the Carcano rifle Oswald used, while an inferior weapon, would be capible of a fatal shot. Though the rifle had a 23% chance of misfiring, Oswald would have been able to fire three rounds in under 8 seconds.
There also would have been plenty of time for Oswald to dismount, hide the rifle, and decend to the second floor cafeteria before the police entered the building.
Oswald was fingered for shooting Kennedy after he was arrested for the murder of a police officer. The rifle found at the Depository was Oswald's, therefore he was charged with the murder of the president.
The only thing unexplained was Ruby. He said he shot Oswald out of anger for the president, and for Jackie. Had it been a conspirecy, he most likely would have not rotted in jail. His credentials were all in order and nothing identified him with the Mafia or the White House.
I love TV. :D
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ine of my fav topics...
yes the storm grate theroy has ALOT more merit than has been shown in the mainstream media. of all the things i have researched this is the most logical.
the echo from the shot in the storm grate would confuse many of the witnesses because it would not be a "line of sight" noise. the escape would be as easy as walking down the street. the never even bothered to check OR clear them back then (unlike now hmmmmmm).
personally i believe there was a shooter and spotter on the knoll, a shooter and spoter in the bood depository, and a shooter and a spotter in the storm grate.
to quote a movie on the topic "not even the shooters know who killed kennedy"
oh well i digress...
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The storm drain offered no credible shot to the limo. The fatal shot occured outside of the LOS of the drain.
The shot that killed Kennedy exited out of the right temple, not the face. Kennedy's skull showed signs of this. Blood and brains and skill fragments sprayed everywhere, including backwards. Pieces of skull on the trunklid were exaplined by forward vehicle motion.
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Also, wouldn't it be odd to see someone clambering out of a storm drain? Plus, the people on the knoll blocked a shot and testified they never heard a shot fired from behind them...
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http://www.celebritymorgue.com/jfk/jfk-autopsy.html
Face seems fine. Top of head is blown apart though.
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A couple of points here, Texace.
I think the access in and out of the storm drain could be accomplished by exited a few blocks away via the sewer.
Also, if the exit wound was in front of the president's head, do the autopsy photos show this?
I'm working from memory here but I thought the autopsy showed the back of the head blasted out.
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Thanks, David.
Look at Photo 1.
Where the hell is the entry wound?
That almost looks like the kill shot came from the left side from a low angle.
If the kill shot camed from 60' above the president and behind him, would'nt the exit wound be somewhere around his nose/mouth?
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I can only go on what I've read and seen. Obviously, the autopsy photos disprove the Oswald alone theory, but from all the cameras on the president, and all the bystanders that were not "in on it", how did a second gunman go unnoticed? The only shots reported heard were from Oswald's rifle in the Depository building.
:confused: I hate debating conspericy theories. ;)
Edit: The exit wound would not be through the face due to the angle of the shot Oswald was taking. He was not shooting from directly behind. His shots would be going over the president's right shoulder.
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That site also shows the entry wounds on an autopsy diagram. There was an entry wound in his neck, but that is obscured by the trachiotomy.
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Originally posted by LePaul
I've seen most of these 'Who Dunnit' shows before, but last night they aired a documentary I'd never seen...looked new. The two things that caught my mind were...
Was this the one on Discovery Channel last night or the one on History Channel? I taped the Discovery Channel specials (two of'em, back to back) but haven't had a chance to watch them. History Channel will be re-playing the one they showed last night. HC is doing a marathon of JFK stuff this weekend as part of the anniversary.
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Originally posted by Sikboy
Are you sure he was a sniper, and not a ninja?
-Sik
When I watch my tapes, I'll look for a ninja, but I suspect that all I'll see is a blur unless he's standing next to a woman.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
4 shots means a second shooter... okay... put a second shooter doesn't prove conspiracy. It makes conspiracy probable.
Only if the two acted independently of each other. That is to say they both had the same idea of shooting the President on the dame day at he same location at the same time:rolleyes:
To conspire : plot, work together, scheme.
And what about the pristine bullet from the same gun as Oswald’s that showed up on the gurney at the autopsy. For that to get their requires a second party to know a about the gun and were to find a bullet to match. Thus CONSPIRECY.
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Martin Luther Kings killing is just a screwed up and just as suspicios.
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Originally posted by Pongo
Martin Luther Kings killing is just a screwed up and just as suspicios.
Hey, Start your own thread!!!;)
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for those of u who think the "pristene" bullet is proof of conspiracy... or that phots prove point of entrance or exit....
look into the solid dirt bank at any rifle range... you will find bullets in all kinds of condition after hitting solid walls from mushroomed and fragmented to pristene.
people shot with 44 mags fall forward most times... in fact... most people fall forward when shot... exit and entrance wounds are sometimes very difficult for modern forensic people to determine especially head shots.
there is nothing that I have ever seen that would make me say that it was impossible for oswald to be the lone shooter.
oh... it wasn't a 20% chance of the gun misfiring... it was a 20% chance that it would jam if the bolt were operated too quickly... The actual marksmanship and speed were not spectacular.... very good tho. The italian carcano was actually a pretty good choice.... it is one of the lightest recoiling military rifles, if not the lightest, he could have chosen making it very easy to get back on target with.
coulda been something different that happened but who knows?
lazs
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Well, no one on this baord knows, but its an entertaining pastime to speculate.
So your saying it's possible the pristine bullet could have impacted bone, skin, vinyl, etc, and not show any signs of damage?
I've never walked down a rifle range to examine the spent rounds, and certainly don't plan on starting this anytime soon.
What are the odds, lazs, that the bullet could come out pristine, after inflicting 7 wounds, in your opinion?
Also, what are the chances, in your opinion, of a second shooter?
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Originally posted by muckmaw
And both decided to kill him in Dealy Plaza?
And both fired their weapons within the same 4 second time frame?
Please don't take this the wrong way, Sandy, but I would consider the odds of this astronomical.
No argument... the odds are indeed long. I freely admit, I'm splitting hairs. If there were two shooters, it's probable that they were conspiring, but it's not proof without some other evidence, IMHO.
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Oswald did it... get over it!
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Wow ,wasnt expecting so many replies...
1) Storm drain exited safely a ways a way. According to the program I saw, which by no means is the final word, the shot couldve come from there.
2) Many Dr's noted the autopsy pics are fixed. Heavy use of morticians wax to cover the evidence. Dr's who saw the wound saw a hole in the right front temple. Those who saw the pics and saw the actual body noted that the pictures were altered and where there was no hair, etc, some was painted into the photo.
I havent seen a reenactment from the storm drain...so dunno...but the grassy hill has always been suspected...the shots are head on
As to Ruby and Oswald...they were left to hang. Oswald was a perfect fall guy for all the ruckus he made in Mexico about wanting to go to Cuba, etc etc.
What I found interesting was the quote from Robert Kennedy to the CIA..."One of your guys killed my brother"
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If he had anything, why did'nt RFK blow the whole thing sky high?
Afraid of what might happen to the government?
Of did the squelch him before he could gather his evidence?
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Probably worried about his family's safety...I can imagine the guilt he felt for his brother's death.
Sirhan Sirhan got him later...never was quite sure why tho
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I've actually held a mauser 7.92mm bullet that was taken from the leg of a Navy Captain (shot on d-day). The bullet was nearly perfect, but the tip was very slightly blunted. But the bullet could have certainly been fired again.
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muck... most older shooting ranges you have to walk down to the targets at the 100 yard range... you have time to safely look at the countless spent rounds that have impacted solid walls of dirt. I think the chances are about even that a long, heavy jacketed, small caliber bullet would come out pristene... in any case... I think too much is being made of something that is well within the realm of possibility.. Most hunters would back up what I say... even the very best constructed (designed to expand controllably) bullets sometimes fail to expand at all.... these bullets would appear "pristene" to most people with maybe the lead tip bent a little and the sides engraved with rifling.
think about it.... if you were gonna plant a bullet.... would you plant a "pristene" one or one that had shattered and had allmost no ballistic signiture?
lazs
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Originally posted by muckmaw
However, Jackie is reaching back onto the trunk to retrieve a piece of skull, which should have been projected forward, right?
I thought she was just trying to get out of the line of fire.
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Originally posted by davidpt40
I've actually held a mauser 7.92mm bullet that was taken from the leg of a Navy Captain (shot on d-day). The bullet was nearly perfect, but the tip was very slightly blunted. But the bullet could have certainly been fired again.
No bulllett that has been fired can EVER be fired again due to expansion.
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they dont look pristeen after they got thru a wristbone.
the photos were doctored or of another corpse altogether.
documents were forged badly. (several origianals made it to austin as copies uknown to assasins )
witnesses were deliberatly misquoted thruout the official reports.
and alarming number of witnesses died just after assasination.
i once sat through two plus hours of a travelling professor showing evidence of oddities during the assasination and after. he gave no comment just showed inconsistancys and slides of evidence. literaly hundreds of things.
sombody killed jfk and oswald wasent him. he was on the first floor when first police in the building endered 30 sec after shooting. elevator was blocked open on top floor. according to cop that first entered the building, explain that away.
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What MT said!
A pipsqueak former Marine with a head full of mush killed the President.
A man in the storm drain could not have seen JFK as the fatal head shot struck.
There was no shooter on the bridge/overpass. Too many witnesses there for a shooter to go unnoticed.
No bullet struck Kennedy's head from the front. A bullet striking the brain delivers massive shock to the nervous system. Every muscle in the body spasms. This would cause the back to arch and the head to snap upward, giving the illusion of a blow from the front.
As for the bullet being in pristine condition, that is no surprise. Solid-nosed bullets in 6.5 mm have been used to kill elephants with skull shots. Even soft-nosed bullets often fail to expand. In addition, bullets do not always drill straight through the body. Almost anything can cause them to tumble or ricochet from their original path. I have seen high-velocity bullets deflected off target by small twigs, leaves, and even blades of grass. A slight deformity of the skull can do the same thing.
Oswald had 8 seconds in which to fire three shot, and even a piece of crap military rifle like the 6.5 Carcano is perfectly capable of doing the job.
Oswald acted alone. Period.
Regards, Shuckins
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Shuckins-
I'm glad your convinced, but many...I believe the last poll had the number at 60%....Americans believe it was a conspiracy.
Now, 3 outta 4 people believe in life on other planets too, so who's to say what the great masses know.
I am on the fence here.
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Just measure the base of the bullet.
if fired it will be out of spec due to expanstion.
And I aint no forensics expert but An entrance wound 5inches in diameter is a bit odd.
And what about an exit wound?
If he was struck in the back of the head then where did the bullet exit?
Could oswald done it alone?
Hell yes he could.
remember EVERY marine is trained as a rifle man.
Remember Charles Whitman?
He was a former Marine And he pegged moving tagets 400yards away!
So although a bit of a Kook Oswald could have done it.
Also I knew a dude that SAW oswald shoot JD tippitt!
An eye wittness so why would oswald kill a cop?
It's a riddle wrapped in an inigma daddy"o"
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The whole Kennedy thing is so huge because it's at the center of so many other covert shadow-government operations. Kennedy himself was the smallest part of it, because it was actually a power play between Dulles' CIA, the anti-Castro military, LBJ, the Giancana Mafia, and a bunch of other dirty players.
Oswald was a patsy, sure, but he put a gun on Jack. Of course, so did other test-mules from Dulles' MK-Ultra LSD-mind-control experiments. Zapruder was in on it, too: He was a KGB mole from way back. And the whole thing had ripple effects, like Jonestown, which was an assassin training camp that got found out.
As for the Warren Commission, that thing was a joke—Dulles himself was on it, and there was only one person on the whole commission who wasn't on the CIA payroll and suspected Oswald didn't act alone. He died in a plane crash, after a young congressional aide named Bill Clinton drove him to the airport. It's all true, but nobody wants to admit it. Nobody.
Now, Roswell, that's a bunch of crap. The Air Force was in possession of captured alien technology years before that. In '43, they started reverse-engineering a torus-shaped craft that came down in Arizona, and the next thing you know, America has The Bomb, supersonic aircraft, and a space program. Glenn saw stuff up there, flying lights. You can look it up.
You know what I think? I think that skirt-chaser Kennedy wanted to spill the beans about our alien friends, so they killed him. He told his girlfriend Marilyn Monroe, and they killed her, too.
No doubt, you're wondering, "Who are 'they'?" Well, I think the numbers speak for themselves: The Trinity site, where the first A-bomb was detonated, Dealey Plaza, where Kennedy bought the farm, Area 51, and downtown Baghdad are all on the 33rd parallel. And what other significance does the number 33 happen to have? It's the highest rank of the Masonic order. Wheels within wheels, my friend. Wheels within wheels.
(read my sig disclaimer)
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A tumbling bullet can cause a large entrance wound. Hydrostatic shock can cause the cranium to explode outward.
From what I've seen of Kennedy's skull, there isn't enough left of the right cranium to draw any solid conclusions.
The 60 % majority of the American public that believe in a conspiracy has been fed a steady diet of this drivel for decades. Every "inconsistency" touted by Oliver Stone has been proven by experts to be almost spot on.
Shuckins
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
The whole Kennedy thing is so huge because it's at the center of so many other covert shadow-government operations. Kennedy himself was the smallest part of it, because it was actually a power play between Dulles' CIA, the anti-Castro military, LBJ, the Giancana Mafia, and a bunch of other dirty players.
Oswald was a patsy, sure, but he put a gun on Jack. Of course, so did other test-mules from Dulles' MK-Ultra LSD-mind-control experiments. Zapruder was in on it, too: He was a KGB mole from way back. And the whole thing had ripple effects, like Jonestown, which was an assassin training camp that got found out.
As for the Warren Commission, that thing was a joke—Dulles himself was on it, and there was only one person on the whole commission who wasn't on the CIA payroll and suspected Oswald didn't act alone. He died in a plane crash, after a young congressional aide named Bill Clinton drove him to the airport. It's all true, but nobody wants to admit it. Nobody.
Now, Roswell, that's a bunch of crap. The Air Force was in possession of captured alien technology years before that. In '43, they started reverse-engineering a torus-shaped craft that came down in Arizona, and the next thing you know, America has The Bomb, supersonic aircraft, and a space program. Glenn saw stuff up there, flying lights. You can look it up.
You know what I think? I think that skirt-chaser Kennedy wanted to spill the beans about our alien friends, so they killed him. He told his girlfriend Marilyn Monroe, and they killed her, too.
No doubt, you're wondering, "Who are 'they'?" Well, I think the numbers speak for themselves: The Trinity site, where the first A-bomb was detonated, Dealey Plaza, where Kennedy bought the farm, Area 51, and downtown Baghdad are all on the 33rd parallel. And what other significance does the number 33 happen to have? It's the highest rank of the Masonic order. Wheels within wheels, my friend. Wheels within wheels.
(read my sig disclaimer)
That's so classic, including the sig disclaimer, that its worth quoting! :rofl
Incidentally, I caught the first half of Peter Jennings' special where they recreated the assassination using computer animation based on the Zapruder film. It pretty much concluded that there was 1 shooter, in the Texas Book Depository, who fired 3 shots. First one missed, second one pierced JFK's back and throat and struck the gov in the back/chest, and the third was the head shot.
I didn't watch it past the bit about Jack Ruby.
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LDF... on the bullet thing... like so many other things you are just being silly. I don't think you know anything about bullets and their affects. Ask any deer hunter about the strange performance of his bullets, especially those available in 1963.
I don't know what happened but there is nothing to make me think that oswald didn't fire all those bullets or kill that cop with his 38. I bet these conspiracy guys could make a case for there being a second hidden shooter for the wild boar I shot.... My shot was "inconsistent" probly find hundreds of things that weren't right about the wound or angles or whatever.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't know what happened but there is nothing to make me think that oswald didn't fire all those bullets or kill that cop with his 38.
How about the fact that .38 S&W Auto casings were found by the first agent to reach the scene. They were laying near Tippet. Oswald was carrying a .38 Special Revolver. Revolvers, as we all know, don't eject the cartridge casings after each shot. When Oswald was picked up, his weapon was loaded with four rounds of .38 special. Test firing showed that .38 Auto casings would have cracked and deformed in the bored out cylinder of Oswald's revolver. The casings found at the scene were not cracked and deformed.
This is direct from the House Select Committee on Assassinations that provided information for the Warren report "(206) Inasmuch as the panel's examinations were related to physical evidence only, a hypothesis to account for the discrepancy regarding the recovered cartridge cases and bullets is speculation."
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Holden.. that was Gold! :aok :D :rofl
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I believe Seinfeld explained the whole thing during his re-creation of the second spitter.
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ABC aired a feature last night that very credibly debunked any notion that the assasination was anything other than Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone for his own motives.
Of course, since Peter Jennings is an alien visitor who's being manipulated by underground communist forces to undermine american values to make it easier for the aliens to colonize North America rather than Asia, nothing he says can really be trusted.
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on the 38 cases.... I would have to see what they were talking about... the 38 special is a .357" bullet loaded into a straight wall case. the 38 S&W is an older cartrige of less power.. it is also of .357-.358" and uses a slightly shorter tapered rimmed case that will not load into a 38 special chamber (too fat at the large end of the taper).
the 38 auto and 38 super are both semi rimmed cases straight walled with bullets ranging from .354-.358" depending... depending on year and manufacturer they will load and fire in a 38 special chamber being semi rimmed. The 38 auto is a weak version of the 38 super and obsolete even in 1963... It should have fire formed to the 38 special chamber tho with no problem.
my guess is... you wouldn't find any pro using a 38 auto pistol... a 38 auto case would work in a 38 special chamber.... probly... It would depend on the particular lot of 38 auto ammo and manufacturer... I wouldn't guess either way but the 38 auto is a low pressure round so would probly be safe enough fired from the 38 special.
I believe that 38 auto and 38 super are identical in size but the super is loaded to much higher pressures... between a 38 special and a 357 mag. maybe like a 38+p.
both 38 super and 38 auto use oddball bullet weights that would identify them as auto rounds probly.. What was the weight of the slug from the cop?
This is all off the top of my head... I will check my reload manuals when I get home...
lazs
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I think the Warren Report is very convincing.
http://www.jfk-assassination.de/WCR/index.html
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Sounds like some people are basing their conspiricy theories on information offered as "fact" in the Oliver Stone movie JFK....which was hilariously spoofed in that "magic luger (sp?)" Seinfeld episode by the way.
Some basic facts that contradict most conspiracy theories:
1.The "pristine" bullet was not pristine. It was in fact severely flattened and its markings matched the rifle that had Oswald’s fingerprints, just like the other bullets did.
2.The pristine bullet was not "magic" either. The second shot that hit both Kennedy and Connally did not change direction. It had a straight trajectory. Kennedy was sitting in an elevated position, above Connally. Connally had turned in reaction to the first shot.
3.Bodies shot from the back fall forwards and backwards, not always forwards. Depends on their position when shot. More importantly, Kennedy moves forward for a split second upon impact of the second shot. He then falls to the left and back. The entry wound was on the upper REAR of his head.
4.There are no entry wounds from the front. The angle of the entry wounds rule out any shots from the grassy knoll.
5.There was no fourth shot. This theory came from an audio engineer using audio from a motorcycle cop’s microphone and has since been disproved. The cop was nowhere near where the audio engineer thought he was.
6.The three shots occurred in 8 seconds, not 6.3 seconds. Plenty of time for this particular model of rifle. Try it.
7.Oswald was a very good shot. These three shots were less then 100 yards. Records exist which show him scoring nearly perfect with 200 yard targets, similar in size to a head target.
You might want to read the Warren Commission report. It leaves out all sorts of facts and gets others wrong, but most of it has held up well under close scrutiny over the years. As well, all sorts of sites show the Zapruder film, the most important piece of evidence, frame by frame.
yowser
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Originally posted by Shuckins
What MT said!
Oswald had 8 seconds in which to fire three shot, and even a piece of crap military rifle like the 6.5 Carcano is perfectly capable of doing the job.
Oswald acted alone. Period.
Regards, Shuckins
Didn't the second and third bullets hit almost on top of each other?
I read many books ago on the assasination and came to the conclusion it was a lone gunman(not Oswald) from the sniper's nest in the book building.A semi-automatis rifle was used for rapid firing and there was four shots...."Oswald's" rifle was planted there along with the three spent shells.He was probably acting as a lookout and helped the sniper sneak in the building...JFK's brain went missing so nobody could do a spectographic analysis on the bullet fragments in the brain.
Oswald was CIA...All you need to see is the photo of him and Ferry from years ago at a military training base.
It was a lone gunman and it was a conspiracy.:D
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Sir Loin, (Great handle by the way)
This topic is too serious for sarcasm...get a GRIP willya!
Oswald was identified by witnesses as the man who shot officer Tippets less than a mile from the school book depository. He made the walk to that spot from the depository in fifteen minutes. Tippets was the second officer to confront Oswald after Kennedy's assassination. Oswald had no prior arrests...so what reason did he have to shoot Tippets?
Two murders, less than a mile apart, within 20 minutes. The second committed by the chief suspect in the first; a man with no priors, but who was so mentally unstable that even the Russians had "invited" him to leave their country.
A pipsqueak with a with a "head full of scrambled eggs" as one police investigator of the Kennedy assassination characterized him.
On the other hand, Kennedy could have been killed by an expatriat coon-ass, Louisiana Cajun ex-Marine with communist leanings and a head full of bad wiring.
Oh, wait, that WAS Oswald...my bad. :D
Regards, Shuckins
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Ok... checked on it... the 38acp and the 38 super both use straight walled cases of .380-384" dia. and come loaded with a 130 grain round nose normaly.. the 38 special comes in at .379 with a 158-200 grain round nose or semi wadcutter or hollow point normally.
The case would not be too small and split in the 38 special chamber if you could get the rounds into the chamber because they are actually a little bigger around than the 38 special case. pressures for the 38 acp and 38 special are about the same.
lazs