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Title: Iron works
Post by: Pongo on November 20, 2003, 06:07:12 PM: (http://members.cox.net/rowlandparks/Avenger_dmg.jpg)
Title: Iron works
Post by: Vermillion on November 21, 2003, 07:33:28 AM: Amazing, simply amazing !

I was reading "When Thunder Rolled", the other night, by Ed Rasimus (famous F-105, and later a F-4 pilot) about some damage a F-105D took on a mission. Evidently when the pilot jettisoned his wing tanks, one flew back and hit the horizontal stabilizer. Completely removing it from the plane. The pilot didn't realize the extent of his damage, adjusted the trim to max, and flew the plane home to Tahkli and successfully landed the plane.
Title: Iron works
Post by: loser on November 21, 2003, 07:51:50 AM: Even more amazing at second glance when I noticed the right horizontal stabilizer and part of the fuselage are missing as well. :eek:
Title: Iron works
Post by: AKCasca on November 21, 2003, 08:22:23 AM: I have seen this before but never found a history on the picture. Did they manage to land/ditch/bail?

Iron plane, and even tougher MoFo's in it.
Title: Iron works
Post by: frank3 on November 21, 2003, 08:57:52 AM: Was this the only survivor out of 6 others? Was a famous raid!
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Post by: Stringer on November 21, 2003, 10:42:48 AM: Look at the pilot fighting to hold that baby in the air!

That has to be one helluva task!
Title: Iron works
Post by: Pongo on November 21, 2003, 10:52:37 AM: from the site where I got it
"Great Avenger pic, Sky Chimp. IIRC, that aircraft was flown by a pilot attacking the radio complex on Chichi Jima. He was hit, went into a spin, and had his crew bail out. As he unbuckled and prepared to jump himself, the aircraft reentered stable flight, so he strapped back in and flew it home.

Unfortunately, the aircrew taken prisoner did not survive captivity. Many of the aircrew captives on that island were beheaded and eaten by the Japanese. American liver was regard as a special delicacy by some of the Japanese officers. Some aircrew prisoners were partially dismembered for their thigh flesh, then thrown half-alive into a ditch so that their vital organs would remain fresh for the next evening's repast.

I'm not making this up.
"
Its the same island where Bush was shot down. I guess the Japs had gotten tired of fish and rice.
Title: Iron works
Post by: Ecliptik on November 21, 2003, 10:58:02 AM: Hey, I landed a P38 like that in AH once.

Had half the left wing blown off (most of the wing past the left engine). Normally I've found this is effectively lethal, because while the plane will remain flyable while fully trimmed at high speeds with consistent aileron input, at lower speeds when trying to land, the difference in lift between the complete wing and the half-wing is too much to overcome even with full aileron and rudder, and you'll roll over and crash.

But I also had my right flap shot off. Having only the left flap, extending it balanced lift and I landed as smoothly as if undamaged.

Sometimes more is less when it comes to damage, I suppose. :)
Title: Iron works
Post by: Flyboy on November 21, 2003, 01:56:34 PM: i think ilanded allmost every fighter plane in the game while missing half a wing.

i saw that picture before im sure. still amazing though

i saw somewhere a picture of a IAF mustang wing with a huge hole in it after a fight with a Mig 17. the mustang pilot mannaged to land. (any idea what guns did the MIG17 carried? the hole was HUGE)

allso a picture of a IAF F15 that mannaged to land after a mid air collision with a skyhawk while training took his ENTIRE wing. the pilot was unawere of the amount of dammage and landed the plane.

i will look for the pictures.
Title: Iron works
Post by: Widewing on November 21, 2003, 02:10:31 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Vermillion
Amazing, simply amazing !

I was reading "When Thunder Rolled", the other night, by Ed Rasimus (famous F-105, and later a F-4 pilot) about some damage a F-105D took on a mission. Evidently when the pilot jettisoned his wing tanks, one flew back and hit the horizontal stabilizer. Completely removing it from the plane. The pilot didn't realize the extent of his damage, adjusted the trim to max, and flew the plane home to Tahkli and successfully landed the plane.

Should you be interested in reaching Ed, drop me a line, I have his e-mail address. Or, he can be found lurking on USENET's rec.aviation.military

My regards,

Widewing
Title: Iron works
Post by: HoHun on November 21, 2003, 03:51:28 PM: Hi Flyboy,

>(any idea what guns did the MIG17 carried? the hole was HUGE)

Usually, 1 x 37 mm N-37D with 40 rounds and 2 x 23 mm NR-23 with 80 rounds each.

The radar-equipped MiG-17PF had armament reduced to 3 x 23 mm NR-23.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)
Title: Iron works
Post by: Flyboy on November 21, 2003, 04:07:06 PM: thanks henning it was a 37mm shell that hit the mustang wing

i did found some pictures of the F15:

(http://tailslide.firelight.dynip.com/images/F15Wing2.jpg)

(http://tailslide.firelight.dynip.com/images/F15Wing1.jpg)

pretty amazing
Title: Iron works
Post by: Pongo on November 21, 2003, 04:43:43 PM: I had always been of the opinion that the F15 probably had a ground accident and they just said that it was mid air and landed for a joke.
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Post by: Hades55 on November 21, 2003, 11:23:53 PM: Battle Damaged B-17's

Its the 3d time i post it, but i post it again for the new ones.
It worth it.....
http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/contents.htm
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Post by: Flyboy on November 22, 2003, 04:25:46 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Pongo
I had always been of the opinion that the F15 probably had a ground accident and they just said that it was mid air and landed for a joke.

Yea and the skyhawk who cought fire and exploded mid-air was from ?

:rolleyes:
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Post by: artik on November 22, 2003, 05:36:48 AM: Yes it is real storry - I do not understand how did he land this plane however it is true.

The plane landed without wing, I think if pilot had realised the amount of damage he would just bailed as pilot of Skyhawk did - but he tryed to land it and do it quite sucessefull.
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Post by: Vermillion on November 24, 2003, 11:13:49 AM: The F-15 I believe, gets some lift provided by its fuselage, a "lifting body" if I remember correctly. Or at least partially. So that may have contributed to its survival.

Widewing, thanks for the info. Rasimus's book was great. Has he written anything about his time in the F4 Phantom? I also just finished Maj. Gen Ken Bells' book "A Hundred Missions North". Both books are great, but tell the story from very different perspectives. Rasimus from a young Lt. just learning fighters, to Bell a 35 yr old major who was much higher up in the wing structure, and the command decisions.
Title: Iron works
Post by: Angus on November 25, 2003, 06:07:35 PM: A USAF Colonel and a F15 Squadron Leader (The Gorillas, stationed in Iceland a couple of years ago) Told me of an incident where an F15 landed with only 1 wing.
A student pilot (From Japan if I remember right) flew into a power/phone cable who severed one wing right off.
He landed successfully!
Title: Iron works
Post by: Hades55 on November 26, 2003, 01:11:11 AM: At 1994 a Mirage 2000 lost his engine some km before his base (Tanagra) near
athens.
The pilot had bring it down to 2metres alt
(6 feet) over straight railways and he eject. The plane sit soft on the railways
and stoped intact exept some minor damage (flaps, belly).
(M2000 delta wing).