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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Capt. Pork on November 20, 2003, 08:44:53 PM
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Michael Moore(of Bowling for Columbine fame) has come out with a new book, Dude Where's My Country. In his usual style, he vehemently attacks the modern path this country has taken from a number of different angles. This book has shot to the top of the German best seller list(no coincidence that German anti-American sentiment was already bubbling over the moment he landed there to kick off a promotional tour) even amidst poor reviews given by none other than the German press itself. Apparently, they're growing tired of him too.
for those interested, here's a great anti-Moore website:
http://www.moorewatch.com/
I'd really like to hear some of your opinions on this guy. My own thoughts are that he uses relatively primitive tactics to anger people to the point where they're ready to beat him to a pulp(just watch bowling for columbine where he verbally prods a gun owner with a camera and mic while standing on the guy's doorstep), films or writes about it and then proceeds to sell the material right back to the same people he humiliated as well as to those diametrically opposed. It seems like business as usual from a guy that amounts to little more than a dumpy hollywood type with a rapidly shrinking niche and a purposefully underdeveloped sense of fashion.
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My feeling is that no matter how much I like or dislike what he does, the real entertainment is in seeing what types of responses his actions inspire.
The parent post, for example.
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He makes me laugh...I don't really care what his politics are.
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He has a good business plan, whether anyone likes it or not. For all the politcal agenda in the world, it all comes down to money. If it didn't he would give everything he earns to charity. I myself find some of the things he points out interesting, but most is too extreme for myself.
BTW he looks like Arlo :eek:
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i thought i posted 1 time dont ever put that piece of ***** on this board again.
im no moderator but if i was i would have deleted this post already.
that give you my opinion of him clearly enough? lol
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That's right! Michael Moore is so un-american, nobody must be allowed to talk about him!
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Chairboy, not to get off the subject, but is the plane in your avatar farting?
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Passing through the sound barrier. Pilot put a Type-R sticker on it without considering the consequences.
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The worst that could be said is that, in Cuba, you were in jeopardy of receiving free health care whenever you needed it, an excellent education in one of the few countries that has 100% literacy, and a better chance of your baby sister being born and making it to her first birthday than if she had been born in Washington, DC.
-- Michael Moore, 3/31/00, A Letter of Apology to Elian Gonzales
This is a fun one. Let's see. 100% literacy, but no books to read. Free health care, but since the Doctors don't actually make money, you get what you pay for. And, most importantly, your baby sister may be alive at one, but she will never be able to visit Washington D.C. at any age.
Amazing how much stupidity this man can pack into one small paragraph. It is not so amazing that he has such a good business plan, the really amazing(and scary) thing is that so many ignorant people buy into his business plan.
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I liked that quote too. He's an attention potato and a master of mining statistics for shock value--comparable to Howard Stern, the difference being that his target audience isn't supposed to know that he's totally full of it when they're listening to him.
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Originally posted by Gadfly
The worst that could be said is that, in Cuba, you were in jeopardy of receiving free health care whenever you needed it, an excellent education in one of the few countries that has 100% literacy, and a better chance of your baby sister being born and making it to her first birthday than if she had been born in Washington, DC.
-- Michael Moore, 3/31/00, A Letter of Apology to Elian Gonzales
This is a fun one. Let's see. 100% literacy, but no books to read. Free health care, but since the Doctors don't actually make money, you get what you pay for. And, most importantly, your baby sister may be alive at one, but she will never be able to visit Washington D.C. at any age.
Amazing how much stupidity this man can pack into one small paragraph. It is not so amazing that he has such a good business plan, the really amazing(and scary) thing is that so many ignorant people buy into his business plan.
From John Derbyshire:
Wherever there is a jackboot stomping on a human face there will be a well-heeled Western liberal to explain that the face does, after all, enjoy free health care and 100 percent literacy.
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Look at the bright side.
As FAT and out of shape he Is he will be dying soon :rofl
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I read that Book allready. Great Book. At least 1 Person doesnt speak after Bush and CO's mouth.
No, i am not with Osama and CO. No, i am not anti USA. Yes, i am afraid of what is going on in the middle East.
But what Moore is saying needs to be said once. Is only the view of the USA right ? If 100 other countries think different dont u guys think there might be a little bit truth into it ?
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i love him. guy has nothing agains guns at all.
just neocons.
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Originally posted by Gadfly
The worst that could be said is that, in Cuba, you were in jeopardy of receiving free health care whenever you needed it, an excellent education in one of the few countries that has 100% literacy, and a better chance of your baby sister being born and making it to her first birthday than if she had been born in Washington, DC.
-- Michael Moore, 3/31/00, A Letter of Apology to Elian Gonzales
This is a fun one. Let's see. 100% literacy, but no books to read. Free health care, but since the Doctors don't actually make money, you get what you pay for. And, most importantly, your baby sister may be alive at one, but she will never be able to visit Washington D.C. at any age.
Amazing how much stupidity this man can pack into one small paragraph. It is not so amazing that he has such a good business plan, the really amazing(and scary) thing is that so many ignorant people buy into his business plan.
Well his points are 100% correct, why do you even try to deny them?
Btw doctors do get paid even in socialist coutries and a lot more than an average worker. If there is a single good thing in socialist countries it is their high standards of university education, which is the SAME for everyone. I would take a Cuban doctor anyday over an American one if I don't know his background.
Im not saying I admire Cuba or socialism but some things are better over there and you should just accept that fact.
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I could care less about his views.
I don't like him as a person.
Just a methane producing mobile bag of crap
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No doubt, his Journalistic methods are not what I would called "honest".
Saw "bowling for columbine" and it was totally crap.
Ok, so, the man has a couple of points, This I have to admit. But he is pushing things to the very limit and the whole thing becomes a farse.
He is just another clown, making a seriuose problem a farse.
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I think he's courageous and a genius at what he does.
Ravs
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Im not saying I admire Cuba or socialism but some things are better over there and you should just accept that fact.
Yup, guess that's why hundreds risk their lives in rotted out hulks trying to get to the U.S.
Is only the view of the USA right ? If 100 other countries think different dont u guys think there might be a little bit truth into it ?
Would those be some of the same countries who thought herr Hitler wasn't really such a bad guy in '38-39?
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Originally posted by AKWeav
Yup, guess that's why hundreds risk their lives in rotted out hulks trying to get to the U.S.
Some things weigh more than others.
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Allright no we come with the "beat to death" arguments eh ?
Allright what was about the slavery ? What was about native americans ?
My only point is that u americans feel pretty fast pretty pissed about "folks" that think different about something.
If u would act like the "world police" around the globe and if u would not have ur fingers in any conflict around the world there wouldnt be so much trouble with certain people.
Get me right i was not against removing saddam from his position, but hey did u really think its over after saddam has been removed ? I mean u guys are invloved in Isreal aswell. Didnt u learn from what u see ?
There u go with a 2nd Vietnam. Like i said and posted here in the beginning of the war. Vietnam got ur nutts again.
The point is most of the people in "these" countries think different. U care about when u die. Those people not. If they have a mission to bomb somehting they think they will come to the paradise and **** allahs sister. Thats the point. How to win against fanatic people ? As longer the fight goes as more brave US soldier leave their lives as more resistant will come up at home.
U guy have a real problem.
2nd point is. Ur not welcome in Iraq. U should got it buy now. Why dont u let the UN handle it ? It is at least a try. Whats the reason against it ?
Because we did not give u a blank contract about the war ? Because if u would leave Iraq and the administration u would leave the iol behind. Its all about Oil, and the way to get controll about. Some of the facts in Moore's new Book are very interesting. U closed all Airports. The only persons who could leave US was ???? Who read Moore ?
The Saudi arabia King family. Thats really funny. Who got alot of their money in a US Oil company's ??? Bin Ladens family, the "good" 1's of them.
I wouldnt believe any "theorie" thats beeing told about 9/11 but what i believe are facts like Moore writes them in his Book. Its all based on articels in different newspapers and magazines aswell as books.
Its very sarcastic indeed, but at least he is critical.
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
If u would act like the "world police" around the globe and if u would not have ur fingers in any conflict around the world there wouldnt be so much trouble with certain people.
Trouble, such as, oh...I don't know, an invasion of Poland?
You're right, we should not get involved in any conflict unless it directly threatens American Soil.:rolleyes:
You're still pissed we spoiled that little "Paris Party" for you.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Trouble, such as, oh...I don't know, an invasion of Poland?
You're right, we should not get involved in any conflict unless it directly threatens American Soil.:rolleyes:
You're still pissed we spoiled that little "Paris Party" for you.
Most of the bigger countries have their "dark" periods that everyone try to forget.
what isnt the best thing in every case. Germany had the darkest of all, thats right. But i am a after war generation and since i am a "new"( some 1 please go and call Rumsfeld ) and modern european citizen i dont caremuch about germany anyway. I could live in France or spain or Italy. Nothing holds me tight to germany. So dont try to get me hooked on these "39 to 45" arguments.
I wasnt born there so i dont have to take responsibility. In no way.
plus i dont care to much because i am sick of hearing complaints about it.
If u wold live here in germany u would know what i am talking about. Be critical about immigrants and u are faster a Nazi then u can can think of.
We have a jewish organisation here in germany that stands up for their rights. Get it please, 60 Years after the war. 2 generations later the only thing the do is to run around with the finger pointed on every person that "might" be suspect. Their vice president, Germany's moral officer #1, got caught with prostitutes and cocain 4 month ago LOLOLOL I was laughting my arse off.
The hoel topic is sick. And annoying, pretty much annoying.
I hope after the generation that has the power now dies away, it will get better.
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Originally posted by crabofix
No doubt, his Journalistic methods are not what I would called "honest".
Saw "bowling for columbine" and it was totally crap.
Ok, so, the man has a couple of points, This I have to admit. But he is pushing things to the very limit and the whole thing becomes a farse.
He is just another clown, making a seriuose problem a farse.
Why did you write this post? Dont you know we are supposed to disagree on everything? :aok
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2nd point is. Ur not welcome in Iraq. U should got it buy now. Why dont u let the UN handle it ? It is at least a try. Whats the reason against it ?
If these people are going to drive truck-bombs into Red Cross hospitals, i don't think that they are going to suddenly stop attacks on 'occupying' troops merely because they're wearing blue berets. The UN will equally not be welcome in Iraq by the people currently attacking troops.
The US has much better command and control and is a much more cohesive force than the UN could ever do. All in all, I think that US troops are doing a pretty good job over there.
Ravs
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he knows that there is a large group of gullible liberals out there and that some of em are powerful... he has figured out how to tap into that resource. he uses his looks and hygene as a tool to play on the guilt of them... He is probly smarter than the fellow liberals he is conning. If he ever steps off the path he will be out tho... it is a simple cycle.
in the case of the goosesteppers... well.... no matter how badly written... can an anti American book fail there?
lazs
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Originally posted by mora
Well his points are 100% correct, why do you even try to deny them?
Btw doctors do get paid even in socialist coutries and a lot more than an average worker. If there is a single good thing in socialist countries it is their high standards of university education, which is the SAME for everyone. I would take a Cuban doctor anyday over an American one if I don't know his background.
Im not saying I admire Cuba or socialism but some things are better over there and you should just accept that fact.
Some things are better under a socialist dictatorship? Maybe the weather, but that'a about it. Have you ever been to an American Doctor? Have you ever been to a Cuban doctor? Have you ever been to Cuba? I was born in Russia myself, in the late seventies, and got to live their long enough to know that socialist doctors(of which my parents were two until we moved to the US), while well educated, are overworked beyond their levels of compensation, under-supplied and understaffed for the most part. Here they are happy, well fed, well compensated and guess what, one of them pisses you off, well our litigation-happy legal system will help you out in suing them to the tune of whatever you want. My father, a neurosurgeon in Delaware, gets paid well, but also pays a quarter million a year in malpractice insurance--which is actually below average for that state. It's overzealous but it's also quality control. Scumbag malpractice attorneys are generally very well educated in the field of medicine. It creates something we like to call checks and balances. What happens in Cuba when a surgeon leaves his pincers in your chest? Our biggest culprits here are health insurance providers, who like to play both sides against the middle and rake it in in the process.
Moore is just a bloated yellow journalist and you're somebody who buys into his material. Except THAT fact.
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Originally posted by ravells
If these people are going to drive truck-bombs into Red Cross hospitals, i don't think that they are going to suddenly stop attacks on 'occupying' troops merely because they're wearing blue berets. The UN will equally not be welcome in Iraq by the people currently attacking troops.
The US has much better command and control and is a much more cohesive force than the UN could ever do. All in all, I think that US troops are doing a pretty good job over there.
Ravs
I did not mean they doig a bad job. But they are, as americans, not very welcome.
European troops migt solve at least that problem.
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Originally posted by ravells
I think he's courageous and a genius at what he does.
Ravs
I hope you're kidding. He has security around him everywhere he goes, off camera, of course, and a tidal wave of mindless fans there for moral support. As for genius, well, yeah, sure. He's great at making a salable product--which we've mentioned already.
I could care less about his views.
I don't like him as a person.
Just a methane producing mobile bag of crap
Best quote yet on this thread.
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
I did not mean they doig a bad job. But they are, as americans, not very welcome.
European troops migt solve at least that problem.
Ffffreeze-
If you believe that, you have not been paying attention.
The resistance to the occupation is being carried out by a group that has murdered fellow Arabs/Muslims suspected of working with the American's.
The people we are fighting in Iraq will happily kill you and your family if given a moments chance. Accept that.
It is not enough to be Muslim. It's not enough to be an Arab. You have to be the kind of extremist these people are for them NOT to attack you.
Europeans would not fare any better. Neither would the UN.
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
I did not mean they doig a bad job. But they are, as americans, not very welcome.
European troops migt solve at least that problem.
Why do you think they would?
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Lol..no I was perfectly serious.
If I was a high profile anti-gun lobbyist in the US I would make sure that I had a lot of security around me too.
Ravs
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more acceptance of european people in the middle east then about US troops.
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rav... would you say that the huge number of anti gun guys killed by gun rights/2nd ammendment defenders is the reason you would have.... armed... security?
Like most high profile anti gun nuts you would deny the rigtht of protection to the "little people" who didn't need or understand it or were too stupid, careless and mean to own guns while allowing the elite like yourself the protection of firearms.
rosie odonnel did not fear that her children would wrest the gun from her bodyguard for instance.
gun control is a caste system.... some have human rights and some are denied... in this case it is based on money and power.
lazs
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Originally posted by ravells
Lol..no I was perfectly serious.
If I was a high profile anti-gun lobbyist in the US I would make sure that I had a lot of security around me too.
Ravs
Again, his lobbying against guns or against Bush is irrelevant. He's simply picking the fruit of the month as far as politics go and running to the bank with it. I sure do admire his shrewd sense of selecting a topic, but no more than I would admire Howard Stern for putting a masterbating Lesbian on the air. Can you say, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that this guy cares about any of what he writes about? How much of his royalties did he funnel into non-profit organizations supporting his goals? Did these contributions stop him from becoming a millionaire? If not, then I'd say it would be in his best interests to stay amongst us gun-toting Bush fanatics of whom 95% can't find the Northern Hemisphere on a map.
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I think he is a venomous, abrasive weasel, but he is entertaining.
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
more acceptance of european people in the middle east then about US troops.
I strongly disagree.
Can you post anything that might be more convincing?
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I hear what you say Lasz,
Given the number of crazy people with guns in the US and Moore's high profile stance against guns, I think that there is a real threat that he will be shot by one of the said crazies. Bees to the honeypot if you will. On that basis there is a case for him to have security guards. But tell me - is it a fact that his security personnel carry guns? I don't know.
As average citizens do not have his profile they are less likely to be targeted by as many gun owners.
I'm sorry I don't know who Rosie O'Donnel is.
Capt. Pork - I do think you're being a tad cynical. It is not inconsistent that he believes that what he is saying and doing is just and making a difference as well as making himself money. The guy enjoys his work - what's wrong with that?
I don't know what he does with the money he makes from his books and films...do you?
Ravs
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Like most activists, he makes some very stupid points, but also some VERY good ones. Especially on gun control, and violence in America.
Originally posted by ravells
Given the number of crazy people with guns in the US and Moore's high profile stance against guns
Ravs
He is NOT against guns. He owns several, and is a lifetime member of the NRA.
What he is against is how easy it is for guns to fall into the wrong hands, legally.
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Originally posted by ravells
I hear what you say Lasz,
Given the number of crazy people with guns in the US and Moore's high profile stance against guns, I think that there is a real threat that he will be shot by one of the said crazies. Bees to the honeypot if you will. On that basis there is a case for him to have security guards. But tell me - is it a fact that his security personnel carry guns? I don't know.
As average citizens do not have his profile they are less likely to be targeted by as many gun owners.
I'm sorry I don't know who Rosie O'Donnel is.
Capt. Pork - I do think you're being a tad cynical. It is not inconsistent that he believes that what he is saying and doing is just and making a difference as well as making himself money. The guy enjoys his work - what's wrong with that?
I don't know what he does with the money he makes from his books and films...do you?
Ravs
two years ago I read that he owned apartments in Both the Beverly Hills area as well as Mid Town Manhattan--both worth over 2 million and that was before the height of the monster real-estate boom in New York. Does he still have them? Don't know. Does he live in either of those two cities? I can only assume that if he does, he'd prefer the West Coast. I do know that he has an agent somewhere in Baltimore.
But my and your not knowing of what he does with his money does speak volumes in another sense. He's not being nearly as Gung-ho pro-workingclass with his finances as he is with his mouth. If he was, he'd be the first person to let you know about it. Am I cynical? Maybe. I came to the US with my family at the age of 4, from Russia, and absolutely love what it has done for me and my family. Are there problems? Yes. But, as Mr. Moore has proven, however, indirectly, not being able to accomplish ones goals on one's own terms is not one of the problems here. Do I care that he kept the cash? No, he deserves it, if nothing else. Does he love his work? WIth two multi-million properties purchased before the market boom, who the hell wouldn't.
Rosie O'donnel is the 350 older brother of Michael Moore posing as a Comedienne and co star of League of Their Own with Madonna.
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I have just taken a look at his web site and he says this:
One thing you get used to when you're in what's called "the public eye" is reading the humorous fiction that others like to write about you. For instance, I have read in quite respectable and trustworthy publications that a) I'm a college graduate (I'm not), b) I was a factory worker (I quit the first day), and c) I have two brothers (I have none). Newsweek wrote that I live in a penthouse on Central Park West (I live above a Baby Gap store, and not on any park), and the Internet Movie Database once listed me as the director of the Elvis movie, "Blue Hawaii" ( I was 6 at the time the film was made, but I was quite skilled in directing my sisters in building me a snowman). Lately, my favorite mistake is the one many reviewers made crediting the cartoon in "Bowling for Columbine" as being the work of the "South Park" creators. It isn't. I wrote it and my buddy Harold Moss's animation studio drew it.
I've enjoyed reading these inventions/mistakes about this "Michael Moore." I mean, who wouldn't want to fantasize about living in penthouses roughhousing with brothers you never had. But lately I've begun to see so many things about me or my work that aren't true. It's become so easy to spread these fictions through the internet (thanks mostly to lazy reporters or web junkies who do all their research by typing in "key words" and then just repeat the same mistakes). And so I wonder that if I don't correct the record, then all of the people who don't know better may just end up being filled with a bunch of stuff that isn't true.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
I strongly disagree.
Can you post anything that might be more convincing?
No sorry, that is what i believe.
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I feel otherwise, obviously.
I would point to the recent attack on the Italian forces in Iraq specificaly. As a percentage of personnel in the region, I believe they have suffered the same amount of combat casualties as the Americans.
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/11122003_iraq_italians.html
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Well Ravells, I guess since his website, like his books and movies, propells only the unadulterated truth, then you must be correct. He is a starving working class activist with a documentry that set revenue records and two best-selling books--one of which took only three weeks to sell a million copies and is currently in the NY Times top ten.
How could he bare to live above a morally corrupt branch of the evil GAP corporation? Didn't he make another documentary about the 'predatory' corporate structure this country tends to promote? Perhaps his proximity to one of their shops is just another example of his self-imposed suffering for the benefit of the proletariat.
To tell you the truth, I'm starting to like this prettythanghole a little myself.
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Well....I doubt that he would put up a rebuttal like that on his own website if he knew it could be shot down in seconds.
He did write a book called 'Downsize this' which as partly about some corporations which 'extort' money from the american tax payer, amongst other things. You should read it - it's a good book although there is some repetition in that and 'Stupid White Men'.
I really don't think he's trying to promote a socialist culture. Just a more enlightened capitalist one. But you can read the books, watch the movies and make up your own mind on that one.
cheers
Ravs
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My own thoughts are that he uses relatively primitive tactics to anger people to the point where they're ready to beat him to a pulp
Amazing how much stupidity this man can pack into one small paragraph. It is not so amazing that he has such a good business plan, the really amazing(and scary) thing is that so many ignorant people buy into his business plan.
Change the "He" to "She" and you got Anne Coulter.
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Originally posted by ravells
Well....I doubt that he would put up a rebuttal like that on his own website if he knew it could be shot down in seconds.
He did write a book called 'Downsize this' which as partly about some corporations which 'extort' money from the american tax payer, amongst other things. You should read it - it's a good book although there is some repetition in that and 'Stupid White Men'.
I really don't think he's trying to promote a socialist culture. Just a more enlightened capitalist one. But you can read the books, watch the movies and make up your own mind on that one.
cheers
Ravs
Cheers :)
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Originally posted by ravells
I think he's courageous and a genius at what he does.
Ravs
Odd, my neice says the same thing about Captain Kangaroo. When she grows up, she'll realize it's fiction.
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Animal:
He is NOT against guns. He owns several, and is a lifetime member of the NRA.
What he is against is how easy it is for guns to fall into the wrong hands, legally.
Quite right, my apologies.
Ravs
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I have no idea what MM wants for gun control only that he thinks the 20,000 laws that we currently have on the books are not enough. That alone is enough for me to be against him since I feel that we have too many laws.
I do not know if his security is armed... if they are not then they would be very ineffective against people who are gun rights types .... many of whom have concealed carry permits... the fact is that no gun rights advocate has ever attempted to shoot an anti gun nut that I know of so... lI do not think MM fears being shot by one at all.. For you to be afraid of gun rights advocates with no reason is the very defenition of paranoid.
when I see violence and mob and riot it is allways the liberals who are causing it... I have never seen a violent or friegtening protest by gun rights advocates.... A concealled carry person is the most likely person to help you in a violent confrontation....
MM knows that drugs are the real reason for most homicides of any kind in the U.S. but that would be an unpopular stance with the people that make him rich so he attacks K mart instead even tho he knows it is a BS, jesture aimed at the gullible and hysterical.
lazs
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Oh... customers at "showtime U.S.A. video" of longmont Co. who rent "bowling for Columbine" will see a sticker inside the video that states....
"for a critical analysis of this documentary, please visit http://WWW.hardylaw/truth_about_bowling.html"
The reasons stated for putting the sticker inside the video were "MM's films should really be calle satires, a documentary has the instant credibility of being non fiction. It's not like we are trying to recruit people for the NRA. We're not political in any way. this is a measured response we took because we felt, by offering the movie for rental, we were de facto accomplices in Moores deception... we could have chosen not to carry the film, but we want our customers to be able to rent what they want"
I think the video store has the right idea.
lazs
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
No sorry, that is what i believe.
Explain what makes you believe that? There has to be some rationale to it...
In fact I think they would just kill more of you tan americans..
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maybe I was looking at it wrong but it seems that MM is saying that we should ban guns for black people and other minorities.
lazs
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fffreeze220:
I think that these may give you a bit more perspective on what the Iraqis want. The range of opinions represented here is really pretty broad....check them out.
Your conviction that you know what the Iraqis want is....thought provoking.
Healing Iraq (http://healingiraq.blogspot.com/) Iraqthemodel (http://www.iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/) Mesopotamian (http://messopotamian.blogspot.com/) Riverbends blog (http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/)
MM is a pompous windbag. He's just milking credulous libs for their cash. He was out on the left coast recently, being driven around in a corporate limo, after having been flown in on the corporate jet..."Stupid White Men" notwithstanding.
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"Finger Pointing" is not a career.
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MM is a big FART BAG "O" CHIT:aok
And thats the best thing I can think to say bout him.
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Gosh, well reasoned, thought provoking stuff, Mr. Black. You must be a devil with the ladies.
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I don't have to be I'm married and thats why I'm always so pissed off:D
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Note to self: Dont get married.
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
more acceptance of european people in the middle east then about US troops.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Watch the news dude - the Italians got waxxed pretty bad last week by suicide bombers.
I'll take the US as world policemen any day over a bunch of Euro's with their fingers up their dates. Correction, sorry not Euro's, its only really France and Germany.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Watch the news dude - the Italians got waxxed pretty bad last week by suicide bombers.
I'll take the US as world policemen any day over a bunch of Euro's with their fingers up their dates. Correction, sorry not Euro's, its only really France and Germany.
Yep and thats the problem. Even though I think that the Euros )or whatever) wouldnt do anything better in the Iraq I would take the Euros as world policemen over the bunch of neo conservative Bush lovers.
The USA stand for radical capitalism / plutocracy and this form of government is inhuman and can only survive if there are countries / humans that can be exploited. Radical capitalism stands for the growing gap between poor and rich.
I like the USA for many things they did (not only for bringing freedom to Europe and Germany) but I condemn the Bush administration for a egocentric single sided policy that is a modern form of dictatorship. Dictatorship of the shareholder value which uses the human as a resource to satisfiy the monetary needs of a few rich.
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Nice speach Comrade, but I believe that Communism has already failed once.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Nice speach Comrade, but I believe that Communism has already failed once.
SHACK!!!
:rofl
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"I like the USA for many things they did (not only for bringing freedom to Europe and Germany" -the moron above
Kind of like in Afghanistan and Iraq, eh?
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Nice speach Comrade, but I believe that Communism has already failed once.
Why arent u in Iraq allready if u love ur contry that much ?
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If my FARTS where visable they would look like michael moore:aok
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
Why arent u in Iraq allready if u love ur contry that much ?
First, Vulcan is from New Zealand.
Second, what does Iraq have to do with Duedel and apparently you as well being a diehard brainwashed East-German communist?
Gawd I hate communists, I wish all of would just go away and leave the rest of humanity alone, please!
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
Why arent u in Iraq allready if u love ur contry that much ?
BTW whay arent YOU in iraq if you hate the USA so much?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
BTW whay arent YOU in iraq if you hate the USA so much?
I never said i hate USA. ITs a great country. At the moment a little bit freaked out, must have to do with Bush and his monkeys, but i like it very much.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
First, Vulcan is from New Zealand.
Second, what does Iraq have to do with Duedel and apparently you as well being a diehard brainwashed East-German communist?
Gawd I hate communists, I wish all of would just go away and leave the rest of humanity alone, please!
Hey man go easy on Duedel!
Just cuase he might disagree with you does not make him wrong or a bad guy!!
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Originally posted by mrblack
Hey man go easy on Duedel!
Just cuase he might disagree with you does not make him wrong or a bad guy!!
He is an unrepentant communist, thats all there is to it, end of story! He may or may not be a nice guy, I donno, it's certainly possible. But if wants to impose communism on people again (This time it will work, we promise!) then he is simple trash. Sorry if he is your friend mrblack but communism is serious stuff, no less shocking in any way than if somebody was openly advocating another Nazi holocaust.
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I am an Ex squdie of his And I can say to you he Is no Commy.
And what ever he Is he has a RIGHT to be what he wants to be!
How would you like to be told you MUST be a republican?
He Is from Germany and we are from America we will see things differently that Is a given.
But sometimes different is good yes?
I tend to judge those on how they treat me and not on where they are from or what there views are.
Try that out you will have more friends trust me.
Ps: He knows no more about how it is here in America than we do on how it is in Germany.
All we hear is what we hear on the news and how reliable is that really?
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Originally posted by Duedel
Yep and thats the problem. Even though I think that the Euros )or whatever) wouldnt do anything better in the Iraq I would take the Euros as world policemen over the bunch of neo conservative Bush lovers.
The USA stand for radical capitalism / plutocracy and this form of government is inhuman and can only survive if there are countries / humans that can be exploited. Radical capitalism stands for the growing gap between poor and rich.
I like the USA for many things they did (not only for bringing freedom to Europe and Germany) but I condemn the Bush administration for a egocentric single sided policy that is a modern form of dictatorship. Dictatorship of the shareholder value which uses the human as a resource to satisfiy the monetary needs of a few rich.
The man is a communist...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
He is an unrepentant communist, thats all there is to it, end of story! He may or may not be a nice guy, I donno, it's certainly possible. But if wants to impose communism on people again (This time it will work, we promise!) then he is simple trash. Sorry if he is your friend mrblack but communism is serious stuff, no less shocking in any way than if somebody was openly advocating another Nazi holocaust.
Gruenherz this post explains it all (again). It shows that u are so unbelievable dumb cause u dont even know the difference between social market econemy and socialism. No wonder why 90% of ur posts are plain wrong. I feal really sorry for u.
Same goes for Vulcan but in contrast to u Grunherz he is not paranoid and needs no psychological help - not yet.
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I'm sorry Dueded, I dont make distincions between brave communists and cowardly communists.
It's nice that you think America is a dictatorship state, perhaps I should lend you some of that psychological medication you say I need?
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Originally posted by Duedel
Same goes for Vulcan but in contrast to u Grunherz he is not paranoid and needs no psychological help - not yet.
Disagree, he is living in New-Zeland you know ...
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Originally posted by Gadfly
"I like the USA for many things they did (not only for bringing freedom to Europe and Germany" -the moron above
Kind of like in Afghanistan and Iraq, eh?
Ahh another psychotic who's full of sick minded prejudices, fine. Yes Gadfly, Afghanistan was absolut necessary (this is why Germany has many many troups over there).
Same goes for Iraq (surprised?) but I rather wanted the UN to go there instead of the USA alone (but this discussion is old).
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I'm sorry Dueded, I dont make distincions between brave communists and cowardly communists.
It's nice that you think America is a dictatorship state, perhaps I should lend you some of that psychological medication you say I need?
U dont have to be sorry Grunherz, u'r ill so no needs for apologies.
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Originally posted by Duedel
Ahh another psychotic who's full of sick minded prejudices, fine. Yes Gadfly, Afghanistan was absolut necessary (this is why Germany has many many troups over there).
Same goes for Iraq (surprised?) but I rather wanted the UN to go there instead of the USA alone (but this discussion is old).
And the USA tried to get the UN into iraq, tried very hard on numerous occasion. Tell us why did it not happend, France and Germany perhaps?
So if you are honest your issuesth France (in particular) and German governenmets.
So why bash the usa?
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Grunherz let it be. Its OK. Kill a few communist dolls (u surely have some) and calm down.
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So I ask you to answer a reasonable question to explain your stance and you try to avoid it with insults... Intersting...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So I ask you to answer a reasonable question to explain your stance and you try to avoid it with insults... Intersting...
ROTFL And i thought it couldnt get more ridiculous ... kewl ... so lets see Grunherz. I started a reasonable post and get insulted (moron, communist,...) by a few very strange persons. Now one of these brainpower biests comes and posts the above :D :D :D ... interesting ROTFL
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Originally posted by Duedel
Yep and thats the problem. Even though I think that the Euros )or whatever) wouldnt do anything better in the Iraq I would take the Euros as world policemen over the bunch of neo conservative Bush lovers.
The USA stand for radical capitalism / plutocracy and this form of government is inhuman and can only survive if there are countries / humans that can be exploited. Radical capitalism stands for the growing gap between poor and rich.
I like the USA for many things they did (not only for bringing freedom to Europe and Germany) but I condemn the Bush administration for a egocentric single sided policy that is a modern form of dictatorship. Dictatorship of the shareholder value which uses the human as a resource to satisfiy the monetary needs of a few rich.
You call this a resonable post? The USA as a dictorship? You are nutz...
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And still you dont answer the question, curious...
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Yo freeze,
What's your rationailizaion errr explanation
for UN inaction errr action at a Yuropean garden spot called.....Srebrenica ?
Addendum:
In the "If you live long enough you'll see EVERYTHING department" re Iran.
Kohmeni's grandson supports US intervention to free their people. I thought it ironic in the extreme that he wanted a visit from the 82nd Airborne Division...(didn't want to wait for us to send in the Marines I suppose).