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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Russian on November 21, 2003, 11:44:57 AM
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FYI
LOCK-ON is out today in USA. UK will get their hands on LOCK-ON December 5th.
I'm going to pick up copy today. :cool: EBGames should have it. Also word on the street is that patch will be released in two weeks :aok
(http://www.lo-mac.com/ss/Carrier_Takeoff-03.jpg)
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Thanks for the heads up.
I'm going to hold off until I read some reviews from AHers.
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Will grab a copy today. Several in the 332nd Mongrels squad will be picking it up. Perhaps we can get a group of AH'ers to do some co-op missions. :)
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Thanks for the heads up.
I'm going to hold off until I read some reviews from AHers.
Same here. I've been burned with bad games before (iF-22 immediately comes to mind).
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the game definitely looks amazing ;)
(http://1badjedi.freewebspace.com/0HSF/p007.jpg)
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Hell, it might be worth it just for eye candy alone!
Post your systems when you review this as well. I want to know if my Coal burning AMD 2200 with Geforce 3 will run this thing.
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Sure looks purdy.
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This is another Russian/French project. No thanks. These guys are trying to rewrite history.
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Downloading the demo now.
Sure does look good though.
a few shots that I like
A-10 locking a Maverick
(http://www.lo-mac.com/ss/A-10_Maverick_01.jpg)
a pair of fulcrums taking off in the rain
(http://www.lo-mac.com/ss/15Jan_04.jpg)
mountainous terrain
(http://www.lo-mac.com/ss/terrain_mtns1.jpg)
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Looks sweet. Another one of those systems managment games I imagine. What's the learning curve like?
Charon
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What's the learning curve like?
dunno probably somewhere along the lines of flanker 2.5
I'll let ya know when I install the demo, only downloading at 26K though :(
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Originally posted by pugg666
dunno probably somewhere along the lines of flanker 2.5
I'll let ya know when I install the demo, only downloading at 26K though :(
Yeah, let me know. If its like the "Flanker" series, I may have to pass. I just don't have the time to sit through it all.
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Thanks Pugg
I always like the idea of those super complex games (the 688 type too) but have a hard time grinding them out.
Charon
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I don't know if they dumbed it down for the demo or not (probably did) but it seems pretty easy. basic radar functions, modifying the azimuth etc, bore sight mode. Haven't had much chance to try out the atg modes yet.
flight model seems pretty basic, wasn't able to stall or spin either the Mig-29 or the warthog
Load times are too long imo, but that's probably just my old slow assed hard drive.
otherwise, looks great and I get good frame rates.
and again, this is just the demo so I'm gonna wait until I get a chance to try out the full release.
might be just what your looking for Gofaster, except maybe the flight model.
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Well i hit the Media Play and the best buy today and no one has it so its , Dang oh well what the going price here in the states?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Hell, it might be worth it just for eye candy alone!
Post your systems when you review this as well. I want to know if my Coal burning AMD 2200 with Geforce 3 will run this thing.
i have an xp2100+/512ddr/R9500pro. :)
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Talk about your eye candy.
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Hmm, level of detail is pretty amazing! Pugg, if ya pick it up and wanna go H2H, lemme know :).
(http://www.nightmares.org/images/LOMACF15C.gif)
Cya Up!
Dawg
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hows the framerate, any better than the demo?
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Although, I dont have all the super eye candy, IL2FB runs pretty damn good on my machine, and if it runs anything like it, I'll pick it up.
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hell yes dawg, if I can find a cheap copy of it ;) because my impression of the demo wasn't that good
just have to wait until they model a 190 A5, just to give you a fighting chance :D
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Originally posted by pugg666
just have to wait until they model a 190 A5, just to give you a fighting chance :D
Roger that Pugg. I was looking for the 20mm's, but all I found were these things called Sparrows and Sidewinders? Oh yeah, and a Gatlin Gun ... didn't they use those in the Civil War? I thought this was 'Modern' air combat ;).
Cya Up!
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
This is another Russian/French project. No thanks. These guys are trying to rewrite history.
Americans, besides rewriting the history in every game and movie, are also trying to rewrite the physics :>
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Nice!
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This is another Russian/French project. No thanks. These guys are trying to rewrite history.
Errrr.... if this was a WWII game, I suppose that would make sense.... but how could they be re-writing history for a game that takes place current day?
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heeh its out in US, in UK it gonna be in 14 days or so... so in my country it gonna be in 2 months ...
i vote for download
poor programers will not get any money, pitty
anyway Demo was quite coool
what about mutilplayer ?
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Americans, besides rewriting the history in every game and movie, are also trying to rewrite the physics :> Where's Finland?
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
This is another Russian/French project. No thanks. These guys are trying to rewrite history.
Trying to rewrite history? Are you talking about the governments or the game designers? ANd how so?
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Originally posted by Fishu
Americans, besides rewriting the history in every game and movie, are also trying to rewrite the physics :>
Oh yeah, movies that are historically accurate would be really interesting. ;)
Most of us are familiar with history ... adquately educated. And, most of us go to movies for entertainment value.
curly
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Originally posted by AKcurly
Oh yeah, movies that are historically accurate would be really interesting. ;)
Most of us are familiar with history ... adquately educated. And, most of us go to movies for entertainment value.
curly
Are you saying that Independance Day, Star Wars, SwordFish and Down and Out in Beverly Hills weren't historically accurate?... Great. Now I have to reevaluate everything.
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well pork ... im not sure if any of them was historical movie...
but nice example is U-XXX (dont know that number) .. about WW2 submarine
anyway another example of entertaiment value was Farm of animals sponsored and modified by CIA (there was cool dialog on BBC, with guy from CIA, whitch used to work on that )..... what a lovely hollywood fairy-tale :D
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any more screenshots?
I really didn't like IL2, it's not the same idea is it, only with jets?
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
This is another Russian/French project. No thanks. These guys are trying to rewrite history.
good one :aok
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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All I'm saying is the F-15 is like 200-0 in real combat. I'm already hearing from Lock-On community that the Mig29 dominates Online. Those UBI guys are having a ball with this I'm shure..can you imagine, "Oui Oui we'll show those American Cowboys , Oui Oui.. pass the Goose Liver."
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Originally posted by Martlet
any more screenshots?
I really didn't like IL2, it's not the same idea is it, only with jets?
http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53413
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
All I'm saying is the F-15 is like 200-0 in real combat. I'm already hearing from Lock-On community that the Mig29 dominates Online. Those UBI guys are having a ball with this I'm shure..can you imagine, "Oui Oui we'll show those American Cowboys , Oui Oui.. pass the Goose Liver."
If you're an AH player and still can't see the difference between on-line and IRL ...
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LMAO what's the record in real life of a fighter got to do with any sort of comparison in some computer sim? Always find the detailed discussion of how a plane might be modeled in some computer sim compared to the real thing very laughable.
...-Gixer
~Hells Angels~
Originally posted by MC_Honky
All I'm saying is the F-15 is like 200-0 in real combat. I'm already hearing from Lock-On community that the Mig29 dominates Online. Those UBI guys are having a ball with this I'm shure..can you imagine, "Oui Oui we'll show those American Cowboys , Oui Oui.. pass the Goose Liver."
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Originally posted by maslo
well pork ... im not sure if any of them was historical movie...
but nice example is U-XXX (dont know that number) .. about WW2 submarine
anyway another example of entertaiment value was Farm of animals sponsored and modified by CIA (there was cool dialog on BBC, with guy from CIA, whitch used to work on that )..... what a lovely hollywood fairy-tale :D
are you speaking of U-571 and the film adaptation of Orwell's Animal Farm? Never saw the latter but liked the book. Thought U-571 was pretty spectacular but what was up with Submarines firing torpedoes at each other while submerged? I was under the impression that WWII era subs barely had the ability to hit surface ships with their straight-running, contact and magnet-fuzed torpedoes. Here they were firing screws at each other like it was out of a Clancy Novel... Always found Mathew Maconoghey(or whatever the spelling is) to take away from the credibility of whatever movie he's in, with the exception of Dazed and Confused, of course.
Anyway, sweet.
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Yea, it is the Russo-French-Euro liberal conspiracy ! ;)
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
All I'm saying is the F-15 is like 200-0 in real combat. I'm already hearing from Lock-On community that the Mig29 dominates Online. Those UBI guys are having a ball with this I'm shure..can you imagine, "Oui Oui we'll show those American Cowboys , Oui Oui.. pass the Goose Liver."
Strickly IRL, I'd like to see the two pilots of equal skill and physical condition dogfight f15s and mig29s(with both planes also being in equal states of repair). I bet the kill/death ratio wouldn't be nearly as lopsided as indicated by the one improvised statistic you provided. Baring any mechanical/electronic failures from poorer Russian production standards, I'd say a late model Mig29 would be a great match for the Eagle.
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As far as I know only a US sub scored a sub-to-sub kill with torpedoes by catching a Jp. submarine charging their batteries in the surface.
There was no way for them to fire on a submerged vessel, unless they could see the periscope sticking out and know for a fact that its not one of theirs.
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Originally posted by OIO
As far as I know only a US sub scored a sub-to-sub kill with torpedoes by catching a Jp. submarine charging their batteries in the surface.
There was no way for them to fire on a submerged vessel, unless they could see the periscope sticking out and know for a fact that its not one of theirs.
exactly my point, and yet in the movie, they were exchanging fire like it was routine. Underwater battle among subs was simply not possible prior to sixties technology, and even then it was iffy at best.
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OOPS!! Did I miss something?
Or is this the Aces High BBS?
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You DID miss something, this is the O'Club.
If you stay quiet, the rest of the kids won't point and laugh as much as they do right now.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
You DID miss something, this is the O'Club.
If you stay quiet, the rest of the kids won't point and laugh as much as they do right now.
You know they have a cure for acne now:D
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
I'm already hearing from Lock-On community that the Mig29 dominates Online. Those UBI guys are having a ball with this I'm shure..can you imagine, "Oui Oui we'll show those American Cowboys , Oui Oui.. pass the Goose Liver."
may be you should blame HT, coz 262 dominate AH
anyway if you realy belive, that F15 is superior compare to mig29, bring some technical parameters.... and stop crying my little doll
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as lopsided as indicated by the one improvised statistic you provided. Its closer to 150-0 in air to air. But now there's the F22 so piss on the Mig:D
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LOL thats cool score :D
anyway we dont fear F22,coz Fool with a tool is still fool :D
im so looking for this game .... i hope it gonna be more stable that Falcon 4.0 :)
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Have any of you followed the performance curve scandal that hit IL2? Well sombody figured out how to extract performance curves directely from IL2. The Russian planes had at least 20% "fluff" in them. I read a rather long post on Lock-On's BB by a F-15 mechanic complaining about how the F-15 was modeled during beta. He offered to help but they Eagle Dynamics didn't care.
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Originally posted by Slash27
as lopsided as indicated by the one improvised statistic you provided. Its closer to 150-0 in air to air. But now there's the F22 so piss on the Mig:D
THere's also the su-37, the s-37 forward swept flanker variant and the mig 1.44, all designed with the f-22 in mind as a rival.
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
Have any of you followed the performance curve scandal that hit IL2? Well sombody figured out how to extract performance curves directely from IL2. The Russian planes had at least 20% "fluff" in them.
Yeah, and if you actually bothered to read it - you would of noticed it was the performance of the AI planes. And that "20%" fluff number you are throwing around is greatly exagerated.
Everytime you post about FB or Lock On, you prove you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
-SW
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OK ..OK ..AI planes only???? Why don't the German planes have this AI 20% "fluff" ?? Last time I checked the German planes can be flown by the computer ??
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Like I said, that 20% is a complete exageration... and its only in climb rates.
Guess what? Certain angles produce certain climb rates - it wasn't even remotely close to a scientific test... just a quick run through with one set of inputs.
In any event, it doesn't matter with the AI since its all simplified calculations.
The only planes that really matter are the human flown planes since they are the ones that are supposed to match real world data. Using anything else to show a bias is a pathetic attempt at proof. But apparently it works on the simpletons.
-SW
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Oleg's pathetic attempt to model the P-47 is another example. Worst cockpit of all in plane-set. Roll pathetic, E-retention pathetic everything was secondrate on that plane.
It's like UBI told him, "Oui Oui- put an American plane in there so we can Milk these American cowoys."
and then Maddox was like, "I don't want to put a Yanke plane in ..Pass the Voka."
and then UBI was like, " Oui Oui-I understand ...but I didn't say you had to make it good..Oui Oui-Jerry Lewis is a bloated pig but I love him."
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Man, you really are a handsomehunk.
-SW
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That, and he only seems to know one french word, their word for yes. This is puzzling, as I suspect the word he hears most often in a social context is 'No'.
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AKwulfie your just anrgy that you can't defend Oleg and Crew.
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I can't really defend a product against asinine accusations which aren't researched.
-SW
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
Oleg's pathetic attempt to model the P-47 is another example. Worst cockpit of all in plane-set. Roll pathetic, E-retention pathetic everything was secondrate on that plane.
It's like UBI told him, "Oui Oui- put an American plane in there so we can Milk these American cowoys."
and then Maddox was like, "I don't want to put a Yanke plane in ..Pass the Voka."
and then UBI was like, " Oui Oui-I understand ...but I didn't say you had to make it good..Oui Oui-Jerry Lewis is a bloated pig but I love him."
Right or wrong, your insulting little attitude takes away from the credibility of anything you say.
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How is the Su-25?
Mig29 would give it to the f15 in the arse in a turnfight. Thankfully IRL most migs are flown by skilless dweebs.
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THere's also the su-37, the s-37 forward swept flanker variant and the mig 1.44, all designed with the f-22 in mind as a rival.
I thought the Mig 1.44 project fell apart?
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My friends the F-15 is porked. I've been watching the Lock-on boards and am seeing posts like these:
sadly, im also having trouble with the radar. i made a custom mission with an il76, 2 mig 27s flyin low, and 2 su 27s flyin high. i was able to pick up the il76, but only after like the 3rd time of flyin the mission was i able to pick up the su27, and it was still only like 30 mi out....ive been also having trouble with the amraam. it seems that it has a very short range....i had a su 27 out run one from like 10 mi out, and i was supersonic with a height advantage...i feel like the russian aircraft got way more attention than the american aircraft sometimes.....other than this stuff, the game is so damn fun, im addicted!
when are you "slaves" going to understand that UBI and thier Russian allies are trying to screw American Flight Sim fans. But here's the catch- Unlike Il2- there are many US Airforce personel who are familiar with those aircraft and on those boards already. Radar tech's , mechanics and at least one F-16 pilot. They are complaining already.
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Time to upgrade to the ATI card(s), wait for a patch, and a sale at Wally Word, in that order.
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I'm a F16 pilot.
Can you verify that statement?
-SW
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
when are you "slaves" going to understand that UBI and thier Russian allies are trying to screw American Flight Sim fans. But here's the catch- Unlike Il2- there are many US Airforce personel who are familiar with those aircraft and on those boards already. Radar tech's , mechanics and at least one F-16 pilot. They are complaining already.
Easy option... buy the competitive American product ;)
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Doh! good one
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"but only after like the 3rd time of flyin the mission was i able to pick up the su27, and it was still only like 30 mi out" -unnamed moron from post above.
I tend to dis-avow the knowledge of anyone that posts two or more usages of the word "like" in a single sentence, as in the example above.
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MC I find it hard to believe you're anything other then an immature teen, or a conspiracy-theroy middle aged single adult living in the middle of the woods somewhere. Your opinion that 'they' are out to get us and screw our A/C is ridiculous and petty. Sounds like you've got a personal gripe with someone.
Oh, and about the F-15 radar - http://oldsite.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=37;t=002200
I'm waiting to hear what Matt is gonna say bout the radar difficulty. Im sure if it proves to be inaccurate they WILL fix it.
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Originally posted by Gadfly
"but only after like the 3rd time of flyin the mission was i able to pick up the su27, and it was still only like 30 mi out" -unnamed moron from post above.
I tend to dis-avow the knowledge of anyone that posts two or more usages of the word "like" in a single sentence, as in the example above.
You're clearly not a Valley Chick.
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btw, even if the american avionics were porked could you really pass up a sim that looked this good?
(http://www.x-plane.org/users/dylan/f-15-takeoff.jpg)
more screens here...
http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=lomac_gd&id=zshme
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I got LOMAC and am having fun with it. It works better for me right out of the box than Falcon 4 and Janes F-18 did. Gotta love the F-15 and A-10.
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[edited] no need to post after reading previous posts ;) [/edit]
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LOL
HT look at that 109, your 109s are all porked :D
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finally got lomac working last night. had some problems after installation with the system rebooting but an update of my nvidia refs fixed that
immediately got some stick time in the f-15 and couldnt find the problem they were referring to regarding the radar. maybe cuz i had alot of time in JF-15, but then again this system isnt exactly the same. who knows.
jawdropping dogfight in a thunderstorm with an su-33. i'd get on his tail and he'd dive into the clouds. visibility was NIL. aircraft was getting beaten all over the place. the turbulence was a HUGE factor. ended up losing my SA and almost crashing, then putting her into a flat spin while desperately trying to regain alt.
im gonna go practice landings in that weather. it was insane.
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I looked up the game to see where to buy it.. Says there are only 9 planes in it? 2 american, 1 german, 6 russian? I've seen more than that in screenies.. what gives??
k
AoM
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The screenies that UBI are promoting are the NONFLYABLE American planes. Again, same tricks by UBI. They rushed in a Zeke and Ki-84 for the Japanese release of IL2. Guess what- they put a Japanese plane on the box but never mentioned that there were no Jap objects, vehicles, armor, ships ...NOTHING.
Same old smoke and mirrors from UBI and the Axis of Evil, French-Russian simulator alliance.
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really? On the game bbs the F14 and F16 screenies where requested and later put up... how'd they do that??
k
AoM
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Originally posted by kappa
really? On the game bbs the F14 and F16 screenies where requested and later put up... how'd they do that??
k
AoM
Those are AI aircraft. Player cannot control them.
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Originally posted by maslo
may be you should blame HT, coz 262 dominate AH
anyway if you realy belive, that F15 is superior compare to mig29, bring some technical parameters.... and stop crying my little doll
It's the pilots not the planes
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So... the F4 was AI? Damn. I take it the Tornado was the German plane?
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
So... the F4 was AI? Damn. I take it the Tornado was the German plane?
MiniD
http://www.lo-mac.com/aircraft_flyable.php
Wrong again. ;)
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(http://pages.sbcglobal.net/simfreak/pics/Scre14.jpg)
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Originally posted by Russian
http://www.lo-mac.com/aircraft_flyable.php
Wrong again. ;)
Wrong again? First post I made in this thread.
Too bad it wasn't the tornado. 3 Allied planes and one of them is a Mig-29. :(
MiniD
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Yea, that attention to detail (the scratches in the plexi) are outstanding
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nono, those are scratches on his monitor........ 8)
k
AoM
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Will they add more planes anyone think??
k
AoM
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Originally posted by kappa
Will they add more planes anyone think??
k
AoM
ED is thinking of releasing F/A-18, if LOMAC sells well.
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the more i play this game the more im in love with it.
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Stop whining? Not whining.. just disappointed. No allied multi-role fighter (except the Mig?). 4 different Russian planes, with 2 variants. 2 U.S. planes with no variants. Hell... it's not even a 15-E... just a C.
Eye candy only lasts so long if it's a plane I don't really care to look at.
MiniD
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
Same old smoke and mirrors from UBI and the Axis of Evil, French-Russian simulator alliance.
(http://www.austinpowers.nl/pix/evil1m.jpg)
Installing Lock-on or IL2FB will trigger a hypnotic "laser" from your monitor : it will instantly turn you into a rude smelly french waiter or a die-hard bolshevik...
We will soon rule ze world !
Jerry Lewis will be on every channel !
KFC will only serve froglegs in garlic sauce !
Coca cola plants will only produce Vodka...
Straffo will be defense secretary !
Boroda will be President !
Long live the French-Russian Alliance !
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Slightly off topic but since McHonky (or similar) keeps with his Russo-Euro conspiracy putting up IL2:FB with the P-47 as example:
Worst cockpit of all in plane-set.
RTFM: SHIFT+F1 --> beautfiul view which 190 can only dream of... :) About instrument setup - blame the designers. But P51 with fuel gauge in the back beats em all - maybe Pony drivers just didnt have to care about fuel. ;)
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Ya... twist that a bit. Let's just be specific:
U.S.:
F-15C
A-10
Russian:
Su-27 Flanker B
Mig-29 Fulcrum A, C
Su-25 Frogfoot
Su-33 Flanker D
So.. they gave the allied side a Mig-29A... that doesn't make it any less of a Russian plane.
I will enjoy flying the A-10, though I'll reserve judgement for later. The F-15C will be a bit more disappointing. The soviet fighters hold no interest for me.
This game would have been much better if it would have had the Tornado and F4 in it. I find it rather funny that you're wasting time trying to convince me otherwise. I also find it odd that nobody mentioned this here when posting the screenshots. That is why I'm disappointed.
The other thing is in regards to any chance of on-line play. More modern Russian vs 2 mid 70's U.S. planes and 1 late 70's soviet plane. Hardly the makings for any kind of battle.
MiniD
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gorgeous pics.
If any plane was to be added to it, i hope its the Harrier.
VTOL would be amusing to have in a multiplayer sim :)
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Originally posted by Rude
It's the pilots not the planes
well rude he used to whine about undermodeled F15 ...
but its may be due to pilot as well :D
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They will probably hook up US/UK/EU people to this sim with promises of new flyable and add-ons (F-16, FA/18, Eurofighter, Tornado ... ).
AI controlled? Probably krap, since they usually fly with a simplified FM (i.e.: porked and/or uber). Same thing happens in IL2-FB.
BTW, very nice pics.
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I have a tendancy not to fly LW planes in AH and stick to the allied planes instead. I have flown the 262, Ta-152 and a bit of a few others. I have flown the Yak-9u quite a bit. I don't fly the Japanese stuff much at all. None of them really interest me. If I only had a choice of those aircraft and no allied planes, I would be playing a different game.
As for LOMAC... I was hoping that the game had more planes available than the screenshots we saw... not less. Disappointed is an understatement.
MiniD
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Well Guys .... according to link from miniD ...
Mig 29A is quite ok .... as you can see, there is list of NATO (whitch contain more countries that only US) airplanes....
You can see Mig29A in NATO(german) colours practice with Mirages for example in Swiss (it was quite cool to watch them take off and on landing )
here are polish migs in NATO colours
http://www.astercity.net/~karol1/miginatoang.html
http://www.aeronautics.ru/polishmig29.htm
So there is nothing wrong with mig 29 on NATO side ....
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one more :)
http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws002/ap028.htm
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I did not link anything.
And I never said there weren't Mig-29's in NATO. But to treat them as a mainstay NATO aircraft is pretty silly. Hell... even a mirage would have been more fitting.
"Well... we modeled a Mig-29 for the soviets... why don't we just paint one up for Germany and call it NATO... and make it the most dominate fighter on their side."
MiniD
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yup mini sorry you did only quote Russian...
ok so link was by russian..
well miniD .. IMAO but if you still separate world on US and Russian, you are a bit off.... Most of North,central Europe use Mig29 you can find some countries here http://www.astercity.net/~karol1/swiatmigiang.html nobody saying that Mig-29 is main NATO airplane in lomac.... its only the best NATO/Russian airplane in Lomac for now :D
anyway im not soviet and i will be glad to fly mig29, because there wasnt much sims with flyable mig29
im not sure if mirage can compare to mig29.... dont know much about mirages....
anyway what would you recomanded as dominate fighter for NATO ?
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Very pretty - but I couldnt figure out how to shoot anything. :D
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Originally posted by Spooky
(http://www.austinpowers.nl/pix/evil1m.jpg)
Installing Lock-on or IL2FB will trigger a hypnotic "laser" from your monitor : it will instantly turn you into a rude smelly french waiter or a die-hard bolshevik...
We will soon rule ze world !
Jerry Lewis will be on every channel !
KFC will only serve froglegs in garlic sauce !
Coca cola plants will only produce Vodka...
Straffo will be defense secretary !
Boroda will be President !
Long live the French-Russian Alliance !
We are not supposed to say that ... yet !
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Don't you see!!! I haven't seen Lock-On's retail Box but I bet the F-15 or A-10 is featured prominently. You’re right- this IS A RUSSIAN SIM. But Nobody in the civilized world gives a CRAP ABOUT RUSSIAN HARDWARE and UBI knows it. So they use smoke and mirrors to trick us.
Russian hardware is for some third world army that can’t afford American or Euro equipment.
When I want to outfit a band of terrorists I’ll go out and buy RPG’s and Ak-47’s.
When I want to outfit an Air Force I go buy F-15’s and F-16’s.
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But Nobody in the civilized world gives a CRAP ABOUT RUSSIAN HARDWARE and UBI knows it. So they use smoke and mirrors to trick us.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-11/505497/STFU.jpg)
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Last I heard the French haven't secured a single foreign contract for the Rafael. 0 ! As for the Gripen- only the South Africans have purchased it. The F-16 Block 60 has been spanking all Euro-Russian hardware. Koreans made a huge purchase of the Block 60 F-16’s. Saudi bought a ton of F-15’s.
Now lets talk backwards third world countries. Yep..Russian hardware.
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mc honkey = 62namnug?
anyway, i have a weird attraction to the su27 and 33. the r73 missiles which have the capibility to be fired from a high angle using the headmounted target system are a blast. im gonna buy track IR just simply for that feature.
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As for the Gripen- only the South Africans have purchased it.
Havnt read the whole thread but i reflected upon this.... Purchase and purchase... They were given so much bribes that they almost got it for free...
LOL!
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Say what you want, that Rafale is a sharp looking plane
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Originally posted by GScholz
LOL you have to be trolling. So the US soldiers I see on TV using AK's in Iraq are terrorists? I like to think it's because the M-16A2 is an unreliable overrated POS. Which air force is buying F-15's or F-16's? Last I heard only Israel have bought F-15E's, and Greece opted to buy some used F-16's as an interim measure until the Eurofighter or JSF becomes available. Upgrading your air force nowadays it's all about Eurofighters, Rafaels, Gripens and Sukhois.
While that may be true, the quality of the pilot will be the weakness....are you saying that Euro pilots are more skilled than USAF or Navy jocks?
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umm saudis bought the export version of the strike eagle. And I believe the hungary deal fell through and they are leaning towards 16s again.....
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Does it have backfire R-72s for the russians? I loved that in Fighters Anthology online, coldmerge weapons free after pass, then a kill 2 seconds later.
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Does it have backfire R-72s for the russians? I loved that in Fighters Anthology online, coldmerge weapons free after pass, then a kill 2 seconds later.
Cool! :cool:
Never tought of that solution! Why aint this like a world wide standard? Any American AC´s do this?
Dnil?
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
Don't you see!!! I haven't seen Lock-On's retail Box but I bet the F-15 or A-10 is featured prominently. You’re right- this IS A RUSSIAN SIM. But Nobody in the civilized world gives a CRAP ABOUT RUSSIAN HARDWARE and UBI knows it. So they use smoke and mirrors to trick us.
Russian hardware is for some third world army that can’t afford American or Euro equipment.
When I want to outfit a band of terrorists I’ll go out and buy RPG’s and Ak-47’s.
When I want to outfit an Air Force I go buy F-15’s and F-16’s.
Nobody gives a crap eh? Then why, pray tell, are we spending over 400 billion on defense--about 7 times what the Russians can afford. Paranioa?
Also, unless you're brain dead, you'd understand that military purchases are motivated as much by politics as they are by quality. More countries want to be on our side than not(and I'm by no means saying this is a bad thing). Buying American weapons says a great deal about your allegiance. Buying weapons other than American says something else, and those who do are in a shrinking minority.
If the Chinese wanted to swallow their pride, they could buy all the f-16s they need. It's the swallowing that they're trying to avoid.
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GScholz,
Look. My Dad is a defense contractor who has lived in Saudi and I've been there and seen the Saudi F-15's in person. Not everyone can afford the F-15. It ain't cheap and they don't take cupons. Hell all you need to buy a Mig29 is a case of Voka and a carton of American Cigarettes.
All this doesn't matter anyway because we all know that Putin or Chirac would personally blow George Bush for a F-22 or B-2. Let's all settle down now.
GScholz- put on your Ski's and play your ABBA Cd's.
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GScholz- put on your Ski's and play your ABBA Cd's.
ABBA is from Sweden....
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
GScholz,
Look. My Dad is a defense contractor who has lived in Saudi and I've been there and seen the Saudi F-15's in person. Not everyone can afford the F-15. It ain't cheap and they don't take cupons. Hell all you need to buy a Mig29 is a case of Voka and a carton of American Cigarettes.
All this doesn't matter anyway because we all know that Putin or Chirac would personally blow George Bush for a F-22 or B-2. Let's all settle down now.
GScholz- put on your Ski's and play your ABBA Cd's.
My dad's a surgeon and I've been in the operating room as an observer, doesn't mean I know how to pull a bullet out of somebody's brain. Saudi Arabia may be a rich country, but they're also trying to maintain, albeit on the very surface, a good relationship with us. Like I said before, the Chinese have more then enough funds for American Weapons.
BTW, ABBA is Swedish, those things you put on your feet to go down a snowy hill are SKIIS and the clear liquid you drink is spelled 'VODKA' (there's a d in it). Master those facts first before moving onto more serious topics.
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Never said I could Spell...
Sweden ..Norway...all the same to me...
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
GScholz,
Look. My Dad is a defense contractor who has lived in Saudi and I've been there and seen the Saudi F-15's in person. Not everyone can afford the F-15. It ain't cheap and they don't take cupons. Hell all you need to buy a Mig29 is a case of Voka and a carton of American Cigarettes.
All this doesn't matter anyway because we all know that Putin or Chirac would personally blow George Bush for a F-22 or B-2. Let's all settle down now.
GScholz- put on your Ski's and play your ABBA Cd's.
Honky , put your dad on the phone... :rofl
(Why are we messing with the monkey, when we should be talking to the organ grinder?!!)
bloody kids.... :p
Tronsky
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Originally posted by -tronski-
Honky , put your dad on the phone... :rofl
(Why are we messing with the monkey, when we should be talking to the organ grinder?!!)
bloody kids.... :p
Tronsky
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
Never said I could Spell...
Sweden ..Norway...all the same to me...
I have a question: Does your brain require breathing and blood circulation to be a conscious act? If so, I suggest you sit back and let your mind wander for a few hours.
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Honky is by far my favorite poster in this board.
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
Russian hardware is for some third world army that can’t afford American or Euro equipment.
When I want to outfit an Air Force I go buy F-15’s and F-16’s.
:rofl
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
Last I heard the French haven't secured a single foreign contract for the Rafael. 0 ! As for the Gripen- only the South Africans have purchased it. The F-16 Block 60 has been spanking all Euro-Russian hardware. Koreans made a huge purchase of the Block 60 F-16’s. Saudi bought a ton of F-15’s.
Now lets talk backwards third world countries. Yep..Russian hardware.
our country is about to buy Gripens
we got 2 offers....
old used POS F-16
or new Gripens
Price ??? same :rolleyes:
btw First world country is US, second UK and rest is Thirdworld isnt it ? :rofl
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GScholz,
Another thing to remember. The Greatest moment in Norwegian Aviation History was made possible by the USA. This is, of course, when a Norwegian F-16 shot down a Serb Mig29.
Has a F-16 or F-15 ever been shot down by a Russian fighter….EVER??
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Was there ever conflict Honky ?
geeez i trough that great moment in norwegian history was 1st 109 :D
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Awww C'mon!
Americans do everything better...everything. How many years must you folks live under our shadow before you realize that?
Oh, and we're the best lookin group of Earth dwellin humans too.
Euro Fighters? Think about it.
:p
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Originally posted by Rude
While that may be true, the quality of the pilot will be the weakness....are you saying that Euro pilots are more skilled than USAF or Navy jocks?
Sorry to burst your bubble Rude, but the word on the street in Europe is yes.
We didn't have all the fancy performances and equipment that you guys have. American pilots are over reliant on those and have a tendancy to loose it when faced with something out of the mold. Quind of like the LA7 pilot in AH.:D
I remember red flag 95, when I was following it from my Air Force days. The f16 agressor pilot was disapointed when he came back from the mission, he got shot down by the guys he was supposed to kill, the bomber version of the M2000. His preflight cockyness received a direct hit.
In the similar time frame, I recall an engagement between the Fosh and an American carrier. Oh man, what a whooping, we didn't even detected you that we were already sunk:cool:
Pratriotism glossing appart Rude, it would be foolish to think that USA pilots are the best. Europe have high standards of training and admission. They fly planes who have less "row power" and train into more chalenging environements. The Suiss alps come to mind, with their live gun range in the lakes of the parks or at the corner of a mountain range canyon. It's not the 15,000 mile long landing strip in the middle of the desert.
look at the job of the British pilots in their bunk jaguars in desert storm one, daylight raids. I would not say that they have more skill than a F15E pilot, but they deserve a hat off.
:aok
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Sorry to burst your bubble Rude, but the word on the street in Europe is yes.
We didn't have all the fancy performances and equipment that you guys have. American pilots are over reliant on those and have a tendancy to loose it when faced with something out of the mold. Quind of like the LA7 pilot in AH.:D
I remember red flag 95, when I was following it from my Air Force days. The f16 agressor pilot was disapointed when he came back from the mission, he got shot down by the guys he was supposed to kill, the bomber version of the M2000. His preflight cockyness received a direct hit.
In the similar time frame, I recall an engagement between the Fosh and an American carrier. Oh man, what a whooping, we didn't even detected you that we were already sunk:cool:
Pratriotism glossing appart Rude, it would be foolish to think that USA pilots are the best. Europe have high standards of training and admission. They fly planes who have less "row power" and train into more chalenging environements. The Suiss alps come to mind, with their live gun range in the lakes of the parks or at the corner of a mountain range canyon. It's not the 15,000 mile long landing strip in the middle of the desert.
look at the job of the British pilots in their bunk jaguars in desert storm one, daylight raids. I would not say that they have more skill than a F15E pilot, but they deserve a hat off.
:aok
This simply cannot be true....only American fighter jocks have skills....haven't you seen Top Gun???
:)
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
I remember red flag 95, when I was following it from my Air Force days. The f16 agressor pilot was disapointed when he came back from the mission, he got shot down by the guys he was supposed to kill, the bomber version of the M2000. His preflight cockyness received a direct hit.
Ouch! :)
Ok, no need to mention what happened in the NAS Fallon when FAF pilots were converting to F-18s there... :D
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SFRT - Frenchy,
If US decided to evade France...we're talking just a "what-if." How long do you think you guys would last ?? One week? I'm not a French basher- I think you guys have a world class military. Just think- B2's take-out your command and control. Its just academic from there. US doctrine revolves around stealth-everything we do is a function of stealth. You don't have it + you have no counter measures.
After the lights go out in Paris- its party time for the USMC baby!!!!!!
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Wmaker,
can you explain NAS Fallon to me ...and or give me a link.
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http://www.google.com
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Ouch!
MC Honky, you have been zinged.
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NAS Fallon is a Naval Air Station. I assume you are talking about a meet that was held there or something ..please explain...
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MC_Honky,
You are exactly right, the objective for France is to be able to hold 2 weeks (not 1) till NATO kicks in. With such a defense politic, we do not have to tie up massive $$$ for an hypothetical attack, and use the money to prosper our economy instead.
As far as counter measures, we do have some. As far as CCC being destroyed by a bomb, we have many CCC, some as deep as 1,000ft+ The whole CCC with allied/NATO are linked to each other as well as the radar stations. Meaning a CCC in Dijon will still be able to operate his zone after an attack thank to the data collected by other radars of other regions.
For your information, stealth technology relies on new radar technology. Taking some short cuts/over simplification in the explanation, it would work like this: You send a micro-wave lenght who is "absorbed" so the return is inexistant. France and other european countries still use the old 30cm wave lenght radar mixed with the newer radars, allowing a better detection of the stealth planes. Send a 30cm wave lenght, the plane absorb a micro-millimeter, the return is still 29cm +. That's maybe how you end up having a F117 shot down by a bunch of drunken Serbians.
In case of you are not aware with it, Europe builds some nice weaponery, some even being used by USA, like the Durandal. The matra Majic, was a better infrared missile than the contemporary AIM9 Sidewinder, it could be fired under a higher G loading, fairly practical in dogfighting.
No country can compete with the amount of technology and hardware quantity of USA, but it would be foolish to believe that other countries are using wooden arrows and voodoo sorceres.:p
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
NAS Fallon is a Naval Air Station. I assume you are talking about a meet that was held there or something ..please explain...
USA vs. the whole wide world, USA won.
...basically, in this thread you have proven normal discussion with you is either fruitless and/or impossible.
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
SFRT - Frenchy,
If US decided to evade France...we're talking just a "what-if." How long do you think you guys would last ?? One week? I'm not a French basher- I think you guys have a world class military. Just think- B2's take-out your command and control. Its just academic from there. US doctrine revolves around stealth-everything we do is a function of stealth. You don't have it + you have no counter measures.
After the lights go out in Paris- its party time for the USMC baby!!!!!!
well older version of this system was called Tamara.
Even Tamara was able to detect F-117 ..... stealth planes are probably stealth only for Americans radars and movies :D
http://www.era.cz/en/download/vera-e.pdf
here is taht sweeetie... :)
http://www.aeronautics.ru/tamara02.htm (daamm we are terrorist arent we ? :) )
http://216.26.163.62/2002/me_iraq_1_14.html
http://www.caausa.org/articles/saddamassistance.htm
anyway Tamara is realy outdated version now.
New version was called Vera and has been developed by http://www.era.cz http://www.era.cz/en/download/vera-e.pdf
just keep belive in nonharmable B2,B1
and 1 more question ... why do you think that US didnt Bomb Iranian Nuclear power plant now, like they did last time ?
in case you have no clue, here is part if Nuclear technology subcontract http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/EI05Ag02.html
viva your army, be sure god bless it :rofl
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So your telling me that the B-2 can be detected by radars -older radars that all you europeans are using. Since you Europeans have no morals- these radar systems will undoubtly be sold to hostile 3rd world countries. So that means the US Armed Forces "Stealth Doctrine" is flawed. We are pouring billions into the F-22 and JSF and have spent billions on the B-2 and F117 and all of this is wrong?
My God ..we need to send this link to George Bush PRONTO- before we spend anymore money on defense...
Like I'll believe it...
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Ah...I remember when this thread was about a cool new game and not about beating ones chest loudly with a flag waving overhead....
:cool:
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Maybe if DoD would stop spending all f#48ing money on defense and start warring about education we wouldn’t have this argument.
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Originally posted by LePaul
Ah...I remember when this thread was about a cool new game and not about beating ones chest loudly with a flag waving overhead....
:cool:
I can't help it....jets are for girls:)
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Russian,
We don't spend enough on defense and too much on education already. You got it wrong. Can't fix dumb people by throwing money at them.
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
Russian,
We don't spend enough on defense and too much on education already. You got it wrong. Can't fix dumb people by throwing money at them.
Holy ****, that is ****in brilliant. Keep up the good work! :aok
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Hey I ain't no Genius ..never said I was. I smart enough to know that if Europe messes with the USA they's gett'n a BIG CAN OF WUPASS...
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Originally posted by gofaster
Same here. I've been burned with bad games before (iF-22 immediately comes to mind).
Any game from iMagic should have been looked at with caution...
ack-ack
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Well, graphics look nice and all. I'm not gonna buy it though.
Reason -> UBI = French company.
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Originally posted by GScholz
So you've got something against the French now Hortlund?
Uh..yeah... But what do you mean "now"? Ive had something against the French since the UN debacle pre-Iraq... what was that, about a year ago?
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Actually I started way back there sometime. The only French thing Ive bought since January was IL2-FB.
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Well, basically its the same thing as recycling. If you're the only one doing it, it wont make a difference, but it makes a difference to me.
*shrug* I mean it would be pretty dumb to start some armed struggle against France. Instead I try not to buy anything French, and I try to convince my friends not to buy anything French if there is a reasonable alternative, and at work I do my utmost to avoid any French vendors.
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Another law firm. Doing family law mostly. Started working there in August, I like it alot, will prolly stay. Its a big firm with lots of offices all over Sweden, good pay, good co-workers, no need to travel anywhere so I've got plenty of time for the kids. All in all, Im very pleased with it.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Actually I started way back there sometime. The only French thing Ive bought since January was IL2-FB.
So you'll only buy French things you really want?
Tronsky
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Originally posted by -tronski-
So you'll only buy French things you really want?
Tronsky
Basically yeah... Like I said, I try to avoid buying anything French whatsoever, although there is the odd slip-up :)
But anyway, if I spend less than $50/year on French products I think Im doing a good job.
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
Russian,
We don't spend enough on defense and too much on education already. You got it wrong. Can't fix dumb people by throwing money at them.
well straight from the source,stupid taxes paying for other peoples kids education is like simply flushing it down the crapper.
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Originally posted by Rude
I can't help it....jets are for girls:)
sure iron birds are for girls :)
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
Hey I ain't no Genius ..never said I was. I smart enough to know that if Europe messes with the USA they's gett'n a BIG CAN OF WUPASS...
Honky, I can't help it anymore. I'm gonna go ahead and accuse you of testing out a comedy routine on us. Gotta admit, it was annoying at first, but you're one hell of an entertainer. If you want a good venue, the Comedy Store Sunset BLVD does amatuer nights during the week. Get in and sign up, and definitely bring your mastery of the English Language.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Basically yeah... Like I said, I try to avoid buying anything French whatsoever, although there is the odd slip-up :)
But anyway, if I spend less than $50/year on French products I think Im doing a good job.
You would better check this affirmation
(no Danone product in your fridge ? would be surprising :))
To bad you won't taste our good wines :D
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Pass the Grey Poupon Please:aok
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
So your telling me that the B-2 can be detected by radars -older radars that all you europeans are using. Since you Europeans have no morals- these radar systems will undoubtly be sold to hostile 3rd world countries. So that means the US Armed Forces "Stealth Doctrine" is flawed. We are pouring billions into the F-22 and JSF and have spent billions on the B-2 and F117 and all of this is wrong?
My God ..we need to send this link to George Bush PRONTO- before we spend anymore money on defense...
Like I'll believe it...
To my knowledge russians has already had the radar technology for ages.
B2 and F117 could easily be detected by older radars, if they'd make a sharp turn ;)
They're meant to fly straight with slow turns in order to maintain stealth.
F22/JSF aren't even close to the stealth of B2/F117, they're made with lower radar profile, therefore making those harder to detect over range.
Nothing unique there, russians and europeans do have these partial stealth fighter designs as well, even if not with all the same technology.
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Originally posted by mrblack
Pass the Grey Poupon Please:aok
Had to ask GOD (http://www.google.com) to figure what you were speaking about :)
I've 5 kind of moutarde at home (I'm addicted ... obvioulsy)
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Straffo,
I read that the Eurofighter Consortium couldn't stand working with the French contingent. That the French contingent made unreasonable demands and fought the consortium on such trivial things like the name of the fighter. When France pulled out- the consortium basically celebrated. France justified the pull out in part- by predicting large oversees orders for the Rafale- which would in turn offset the very high production costs of “going it alone.” To date- France hasn’t secured one overseas order. Ha Ha. First- we humiliate your country by dominating your dumb bicycle race. Go Lance Armstrong!! Then we take all of your fighter business costing your country billions. Viva La USA. Na na na.
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While all you people pick ceaselessly on france,not that france doesnt deserve it. Canada has gone and developed the V2. That evil empire in the north is gonna start lauching them willy nilly. Nuking Totonto(oops) Mexico(oops) farmland in nebraska, and last but not least their launch site.:p
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
Straffo,
I read that the Eurofighter Consortium couldn't stand working with the French contingent. That the French contingent made unreasonable demands and fought the consortium on such trivial things like the name of the fighter. When France pulled out- the consortium basically celebrated. France justified the pull out in part- by predicting large oversees orders for the Rafale- which would in turn offset the very high production costs of “going it alone.” To date- France hasn’t secured one overseas order. Ha Ha. First- we humiliate your country by dominating your dumb bicycle race. Go Lance Armstrong!! Then we take all of your fighter business costing your country billions. Viva La USA. Na na na.
BS and misinformation,it only show you don't know what you're speaking about.
Each time you post you dig more the hole you're sit in.
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I'm at work now but I return home I'll provide you my refrences.
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this post sound like bunch of WOMEN having a biggest salamander contast!
none of them have it but there sure there is biger and better than the others........
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Originally posted by boxboy28
this post sound like bunch of WOMEN having a biggest salamander contast!
none of them have it but there sure there is biger and better than the others........
Where did you get that avatar? It's funny as hell!
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i stole it from a guy on the AMD forums
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Where did you get that avatar? It's funny as hell!
http://www.stupidvideos.com
Theres a bunch of them there. I think this one is called Evil Penguin
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Originally posted by GScholz
The B-2, F-117 and F-22 are not invisible to radar. However the stealth technology reduces the radars effective range opening up gaps in radar networks that allow these aircraft to avoid detection and slip through defences. And European made radars are not "old", they are very much comparable to US systems, even Russian radars are getting up to speed now that they can import important computer technology.
The Eurofighter, Rafale and Gripen are all stealthy from the front aspect (heading towards you).
Don't know about the others but the F-117 is effectively radar invisible. That effective radar range you mentioned is so short as to be unimportant. No matter how sophisticated the computer controlling the transmissions or analyzing the radar returns it'll come up negative if there is no reflected energy to analyze.
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
Straffo,
I read that the Eurofighter Consortium couldn't stand working with the French contingent. That the French contingent made unreasonable demands and fought the consortium on such trivial things like the name of the fighter. When France pulled out- the consortium basically celebrated. France justified the pull out in part- by predicting large oversees orders for the Rafale- which would in turn offset the very high production costs of “going it alone.” To date- France hasn’t secured one overseas order. Ha Ha. First- we humiliate your country by dominating your dumb bicycle race. Go Lance Armstrong!! Then we take all of your fighter business costing your country billions. Viva La USA. Na na na.
:rofl
When France pulled out, they alone designed and test flew the Rafale and posted an operational version way before the "consorsium". France was not pleased with the Eurofighter was conceived, especially the slow down created by having to please all parties. (Before you extrapolate, I didn't say the Eurofighter was a POS, or the Rafale better).
Honky, what sales do the Eurofighter have so far?
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(http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00004D0FM.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
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Originally posted by GScholz
The F-117 has a RCS about the size of a bird, however radars (even very old radars) are able to detect bird sized targets albeit at a drastically reduced range (80-90% compared to large aircraft). The F-117 is not invisible, just very stealthy.
And there ya have it. Most militaries aren't going to waste their missiles shooting down birds on the off chance it might be an enemy plane even if they can track a bird. If they do they'll run out of missiles long before the 117 gets there. And besides, a 117 could easily destroy the radar site before detected.
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Devils advocate, what if all they need to do is look for birds that are flying at a couple hundred miles per hour?
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Devils advocate, what if all they need to do is look for birds that are flying at a couple hundred miles per hour?
Range is a key factor. I don't think that F-117 is going to show on anyone's radar at greater than 5 miles. Not enough time to do much of anything about it even if you can track it then, which I doubt.
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
(http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00004D0FM.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
Stop tu vas finir par facher les 70% de commandant sylvestres présents ici :)
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The Illustrated Directory of Fighters by Mike Spick
page 106
"In, 1983, Britan, France, Germany, Italy and Spain had more or less agreed on a common spec. for a multi-role fighter, but in the case of France, this was less rather than more. Dassault
demanded both design and industrial leadership....this was unacceptable to the other four"
You see France needs to step back a moment and look in the Mirror and repeat the following:
"We are no longer a first rate power. The World is dominated by an alliance of Anglos including the US, UK and Australia (intentionaly omits Canada). The Worlds most powerful man is a Texan who has an I.Q. of a cucumber and our national pastime (Tour de France) is dominated by a Texan with one testical (Lance Armstrong)."
Quel Dommage
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how this :
Originally posted by MC_Honky
"In, 1983, Britan, France, Germany, Italy and Spain had more or less agreed on a common spec. for a multi-role fighter, but in the case of France, this was less rather than more. Dassault
demanded both design and industrial leadership....this was unacceptable to the other four"
compare to this :
fought the consortium on such trivial things like the name of the fighter
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The 117 can be tracked by radar at close/medium ranges depending on the radar used if the operator and/or the software knows what to look for.
When they set waypoints for a 117 mission, the route is planned so the plane is flown inbetween known radar stations to minimise the risk of detection. They also has ESM gear that makes them able to change their route when they detect a radar emition (like almost every other military plane)
When i was in the navy the software for our radar systems was modified to "detect" both the 117 and other new planes as the data came in.
The 117's are great planes, and they are alot harder to dectect than any other "standard" operational fighter, but if you belive that it is even close to invisible to a modern radar system with a skilled operator you are sadly mistaken.
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Originally posted by GScholz
For your information a Russian made SA-6 shot down an F-117 in Kosovo. The SA-6 is a radar guided SAM system that became operational in 1966.
I read somewhere that the SAM which killed the F117 in Kosovo was guided optically, and since the 117 seemed to have flown the same route twice, they were expecting him...
seems like a lucky shot to me, caused by poor mission planning : if you know there is "probably" a plane in a particular sector and at a particular time, it gets a lot easier to successfully engage it.
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The F-117 is not but the B-2 is....
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are you trying to tell us that the B" is "invisible" ?
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are you trying to tell us that the B-2 is "invisible" ?
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"If the F117 reflects the radar energy of a Large bird then the B-2 reflects the radar energy of a small insect."
Direct Quote from B-2 Pilot
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Saw it on the Discovery Channel...don't remember the dude's name...hey do you guys still drink Rain-Deer Milk in Norway...just a question??
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GS don't bother with the twit
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since airhead went soft, i think honkey is his new handle to troll with
oh, and btw, to get back on topic::
lock on is so good that it's impossible for me to even load up AH. I need a WW2 fix but im too spoiled.
i blew away an f-14 coming straight at me with an r-73, and as i flew through the debris it sucked into my left intake and fouled my engine in my su27
unbelievable.
so you guys can get back to your ****-slinging but the truth of the matter is that this game is the best $40 ive spent all year, with FFXI close behind.
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Final Fantasy IX (IX is the number 9 if you have a public school education).
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GScholz,
I remember I met this exchange student from Norway...ah she was so hot. I spent the whole summer trying to bang her. All summer. Tried everything but she saw through my tactics. I guess Norwegian Chicks are smarter than US chicks...I often think about her.
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Final Fantasy 11. First RPG ive ever played, ever, but its got me pretty hooked. Great way to save money because all i do is spend my free time playing it ;)
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AAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! DAMN IT!!!!
FOR THE LOVE OF... ITS REINDEER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-SW
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Originally posted by GScholz
Btw. Chairboy I have a public school education, I'm from evil socialist Norway remember.
Sorry, GScholz, I wasn't making a crack at you, I was making a crack right back at my home country. I too have a public school education, and with the continual budget reductions, it's amazing I got out of there able to read books.
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Hrmm.. no dynamic campaign... why can't they make dynamic campaigns into games anymore :( :confused:
Would be a good alternative ... i guess prolonging the experience isn't anymore as important as the instant selling figures.
Anyway.. wheres the patch, it needs one badly...
After getting shot down and reflying the mission, some things might be inoperable etc. carry overs from mission to mission which shouldn't be there.
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
... Always found Mathew Maconoghey(or whatever the spelling is) to take away from the credibility of whatever movie he's in, with the exception of Dazed and Confused, of course.
Anyway, sweet.
Lol ! :lol
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
Don't you see!!! I haven't seen Lock-On's retail Box but I bet the F-15 or A-10 is featured prominently. You’re right- this IS A RUSSIAN SIM. But Nobody in the civilized world gives a CRAP ABOUT RUSSIAN HARDWARE and UBI knows it. So they use smoke and mirrors to trick us.
Russian hardware is for some third world army that can’t afford American or Euro equipment.
When I want to outfit a band of terrorists I’ll go out and buy RPG’s and Ak-47’s.
When I want to outfit an Air Force I go buy F-15’s and F-16’s.
Geesh if you're going to get your panties all in a wad why don't you just refuse to buy it - that'll show them!! But stop whining for christ sake.