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Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: davidpt40 on November 23, 2003, 11:13:55 AM
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=NW_1-T&oldflok=FF-APO-1107&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20031123%2F070463308.htm&sc=1107

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Attackers slit the throats of two American soldiers who were waiting in traffic in this northern Iraqi city on Sunday, witnesses said.


Very violent way to die.  Jugular vein is behind windpipe.  

This war is no fun if all we are going to do is lose :rolleyes:
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Raubvogel on November 23, 2003, 12:22:19 PM
As soon as I read this article, I knew that your sorry bellybutton would the first to post it.

Reports of how they died are unconfirmed, and the official Army report is that they were shot.

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This war is no fun if all we are going to do is lose


War is never fun you pathetic little ass.
Title: Re: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Saurdaukar on November 23, 2003, 12:50:53 PM
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Originally posted by davidpt40

This war is no fun if all we are going to do is lose :rolleyes:


Are we to assume you think war is 'fun' if we slit the throats of others?

Ass.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: davidpt40 on November 23, 2003, 12:57:01 PM
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Are we to assume you think war is 'fun' if we slit the throats of others?


Yes
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Maverick on November 23, 2003, 12:59:12 PM
davidpt40, another chicken little. The sky is falling!!!!:p
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: john9001 on November 23, 2003, 01:02:54 PM
please people , stop picking on david, he is depressed that the DHL plane landed safely.


of course , david forgot to mention the 8 saddamits that were killed when they attacked a convoy and tried to run away, of course the "media" forgot to mention it also.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Boroda on November 23, 2003, 01:45:17 PM
They act just like Chechens...

Did you expect anything else?... :(

I wonder if they'll tell you about US servicemen tortured to death on TV, like our soldiers in Afghanistan and Chechnya...

:(
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: maslo on November 23, 2003, 01:58:21 PM
im only wondering that they cut 2 soldiers in traffic jam and they have no any witness, whitch could exlpain what happen there.

anyway targets are mostly soldiers
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Maverick on November 23, 2003, 02:04:21 PM
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Originally posted by maslo
im only wondering that they cut 2 soldiers in traffic jam and they have no any witness, whitch could exlpain what happen there.

anyway targets are mostly soldiers


I would guess you have never been a soldier. Your comment indicates you feel that soldiers are of little concern or value. Pretty shallow if this is the case.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: kbman on November 23, 2003, 02:05:09 PM
Skuzzy,
             Please consider banning this person. Posts like these are the norm for him and besides being profoundly offensive, have absolutely nothing to contribute to this community.

kbman
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Yeager on November 23, 2003, 02:05:39 PM
this bbs needs a serious moron cleansing.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Saurdaukar on November 23, 2003, 02:19:50 PM
Ditto Yeager and kbman.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: maslo on November 23, 2003, 02:22:28 PM
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Originally posted by Maverick
I would guess you have never been a soldier. Your comment indicates you feel that soldiers are of little concern or value. Pretty shallow if this is the case.


no my smart friend ...

im pointing on fact, that resistence is focused on soldiers = milatary.. that would mean that they are guerillas and not those famous terrorist kill poor civil people all around world

anyway on BBC they already started to call resistence in Iraq guerillas, not a terrorist...

after few months they will call them partizans and then will start proper fun


anyway before 1938 we had sutch things here as well, when 'good' army of german came to free us from 'evil' jewish
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: mrblack on November 23, 2003, 02:28:53 PM
Gawd Dam savages.

:mad: :mad:
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: maslo on November 23, 2003, 02:30:44 PM
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Originally posted by kbman
Skuzzy,
             Please consider banning this person. Posts like these are the norm for him and besides being profoundly offensive, have absolutely nothing to contribute to this community.

kbman


whitch part of my post do you feel offensive and agains who ?
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Maverick on November 23, 2003, 02:32:30 PM
Maslo,

You have posted on one attack. Ignoring the multiple terrorist attacks including suicide bombs, using an anti aircraft missile on a civilian aircraft and so on. Yep I can see that makes it all better. Your post is still shallow and speaks of a lack of concern for troops and implies that you think they are valueless. Your use of nazis in comparison only makes the impression more concrete. That implies you feel the U.S. troops are nazis as well. Very poor choice if that was not your intent. :mad:
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: kbman on November 23, 2003, 02:38:11 PM
I was refering to the original poster of the thread, Davidpt40.

kbman
Title: Re: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Animal on November 23, 2003, 02:41:54 PM
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Originally posted by davidpt40
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This war is no fun if all we are going to do is lose :rolleyes:


This guy has to be a troll.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: maslo on November 23, 2003, 02:44:39 PM
im not saying that us troops are nazi....  basilacaly im pointing on fact that if some army will go to some other country, there will be a lot of people fighting them.... thats quite normal ...

so if you consider resistence in iraq to be same problem like acts of terrorist (minority whitch trying to get attention by many diferent ways)  around the world, i would not agree ... everytime when some army went to another country, sutch things were usual .. russian have them in checna, german here, US in iraq

that doesnt mean, you are nazi or komunist, it does mean, that you can expect sutch things, its common fact during the occupation

your private explanation of some words, whitch i never wrote is quite incredible
Title: Re: Re: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: maslo on November 23, 2003, 02:46:05 PM
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Originally posted by Animal
This guy has to be a troll.


the question is if is he acid troll or giant troll :D


kbman.: cc thx
Title: Re: Re: Re: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Animal on November 23, 2003, 02:51:21 PM
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Originally posted by maslo
the question is if is he acid troll or giant troll :D


kbman.: cc thx


I dont know what you mean so I'll say acid, just because.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Maverick on November 23, 2003, 03:07:11 PM
Maslo I think this is a situation where as a person who speaks English as a second language does not realize what you intend to post is not what you are saying.

The implications of some of your posts is perhaps unfortunate at best. I don't thnk you realize what you said comes accross differntly than what you intended.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Fishu on November 23, 2003, 03:08:46 PM
Well, they had more guts than those suicide bombers who kills whole lot more innocent people than 'enemies'..  go there, do it at point blank and get out.
However still cowardish under civilian disguise.

but thats pretty much the war in an occupied country.. especially one which has lots of neightbours full of wannabe allah fighters.



Boroda,

I doubt there will be that much brutality against americans as russians.
simply a feeling...

Communism just doesn't strike to me even as hypocritical liberators, but only as oppressors.

If not, then we would have to ask why several of these 'happy' countries under red curtain have been declared independent since then.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Martlet on November 23, 2003, 03:25:02 PM
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Originally posted by Fishu
Well, they had more guts than those suicide bombers


With that one sentence, you confirm everything I ever said about you is completely accurate.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Duedel on November 23, 2003, 03:31:48 PM
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Originally posted by Martlet
With that one sentence, you confirm everything I ever said about you is completely accurate.


... what does mean nothing cause ur an conservative and thus a hypocrite ;) (only a joke)
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Fishu on November 23, 2003, 04:05:48 PM
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Originally posted by Martlet
With that one sentence, you confirm everything I ever said about you is completely accurate.


Whats wrong with saying that..
Should they have perhaps slit throats of civilian bystanders as well, like those stupid suicide bombers, who kills bunch of civilians to kill couple westerners?
That is cowardish, pitiful and stupid.

Otherwise, it is war and this was basically an unusual thing to happen, since most dies by the explosives or bullets.
Not much different, except it needs more courageous men than the ones with weapons capable of killing from a distance.

shot, blown, stabbed... too bad, the end result is same and it's still a war.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Martlet on November 23, 2003, 04:19:33 PM
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Originally posted by Fishu
Whats wrong with saying that..


The fact that you don't know puts emphasis on my original statement.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Fishu on November 23, 2003, 04:39:10 PM
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Originally posted by Martlet
The fact that you don't know puts emphasis on my original statement.


Well, I don't really even care what you say.
You are too arrogant person.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Martlet on November 23, 2003, 04:52:23 PM
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Originally posted by Fishu
Well, I don't really even care what you say.
You are too arrogant person.


Excellent defense!    :aok
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: john9001 on November 23, 2003, 05:07:11 PM
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Originally posted by maslo
no my smart friend ...

im pointing on fact, that resistence is focused on soldiers = milatary.. that would mean that they are guerillas and not those famous terrorist kill poor civil people all around world
 


well , in that case , my "smart friend", i won't say anything about the 5 year old Iraq girl that was killed when the car bombed a Iraq police station.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: ravells on November 23, 2003, 06:00:18 PM
I can't see how suicide bombing can be called cowardly...just not in our mindset.  I don't recall us thinking that the kamekaze pilots were cowards.

As for having your throat cut...well, same as being killed any other way to my mind...you still end up dead.

As for davidpt40, the guy is sick and ought to have his head examined...or he's the best troll I ever met.

Ravs
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Yeager on November 23, 2003, 11:43:45 PM
To compare japanese kamakazis to islamic militants is an excercise in blatent ignorance.
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Post by: mrblack on November 23, 2003, 11:50:07 PM
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Originally posted by Yeager
To compare japanese kamakazis to islamic militants is an excercise in blatent ignorance.


RGR that the Japanese had some sense of honor and a code.
The bushido code in fact.
The rags on the other hand have nothing but a chickenchit
way of sending young people to there deaths in the name of there God.
How assanine is that!
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: mrblack on November 23, 2003, 11:51:50 PM
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Originally posted by Fishu
Whats wrong with saying that..
Should they have perhaps slit throats of civilian bystanders as well, like those stupid suicide bombers, who kills bunch of civilians to kill couple westerners?
That is cowardish, pitiful and stupid.

Otherwise, it is war and this was basically an unusual thing to happen, since most dies by the explosives or bullets.
Not much different, except it needs more courageous men than the ones with weapons capable of killing from a distance.

shot, blown, stabbed... too bad, the end result is same and it's still a war.


Well if it is so easy then maybe you should join up and be the next in line there tough guy:D
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Fishu on November 24, 2003, 02:59:36 AM
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Originally posted by mrblack
Well if it is so easy then maybe you should join up and be the next in line there tough guy:D


Isn't my mess, I didn't tell anyone to go have a war there :)
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: davidpt40 on November 24, 2003, 04:27:26 AM
The appropriate thing to do would be to pull out of Iraq within a few months.  Given enough time and resources, sure the U.S. could 'win'.  But why?  Iraq has NEVER attacked the U.S.  They did not even have weapons of mass destruction (at least no ones that were invented since 1915).

Another post talked about Iraqi teenagers pulling U.S. troops out of their trucks and smashing them with concrete.  I would not even want to see that.  Things are getting too brutal, and anti-U.S. sentiment is too widespread.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: muckmaw on November 24, 2003, 07:56:01 AM
Tell me again about the guy who was put on probation for starting an insult post, but this ghoulish creature is not being warned?
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Dowding on November 24, 2003, 08:01:30 AM
I don't know that one muckmaw. Is the punchline good?

I do know one thing though. This davidpt40 guy is a full-weight ****.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Boroda on November 24, 2003, 08:13:57 AM
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Originally posted by davidpt40
The appropriate thing to do would be to pull out of Iraq within a few months.  Given enough time and resources, sure the U.S. could 'win'.  But why?  Iraq has NEVER attacked the U.S.  They did not even have weapons of mass destruction (at least no ones that were invented since 1915).


"Pulling out" of Iraq is the most stupid thing US can do now. Prepare for losses both in the US Army and among civilians, prepare for partizan warfare, do what is nessesary for your goals - war is war, and if you'll "lose" it like we did in Afghanistan it will literaly blow up the whole Middle East.

Carry the White Man's Burden that you picked up from your precessors.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: ravells on November 24, 2003, 08:15:56 AM
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RGR that the Japanese had some sense of honor and a code.
The bushido code in fact.
The rags on the other hand have nothing but a chickenchit
way of sending young people to there deaths in the name of there God.
How assanine is that!


Hmm let's see:

Man gets into an aeroplane packed full of explosive and flies it into a ship.

Man gets into a truck packed full of explosive and drives it into a building.

One believes he is dying for the glory of his emperor, the other believes he is dying for the glory of his god. Either way, both know they are on a one way mission.

Seems to me that both are equally corageous and/or indoctrinated.

BTW From Buddhism, Bushido gets its relationship to danger and death. The samurai do not fear death because they believe as Buddhism teaches, after death one will be reincarnated and may live another life here on earth.

Well, OK one lot believe they get another life on earth and the other believe they get to sleep with a new virgin every night in heaven.

Same difference to me.

Ravs
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: muckmaw on November 24, 2003, 08:38:00 AM
Agreed Ravs.

I'd imagine these 2 cultures simply do not put as much value in human life as others. Or pehaps if I believed no matter what happened, there was an afterlife waiting for me, I'd be more careless with my life.

I don't know, but I simply cannot call either group corageous, because they both killed Americans and innocents. I find calling them corageous is simply too much of a compliment for these scum bags.

But let me put it another way. If you know or think you know that as soon as you detonate yourself, you will either be reincarnated, or go to heaven where there are 70 virgins waiting for you, is it really brave to pull the trigger, or are you taking the cowards way to easy street?
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: ravells on November 24, 2003, 09:26:11 AM
A number of factors here muck:

If the target is a military one, then I'm afraid that this is the horror of war. We cannot expect them to fight to our strong suits.

What made me despise these people are the civilian targets they often choose, be they young people in nightclubs or even worse the Red Cross station in Iraq.

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But let me put it another way. If you know or think you know that as soon as you detonate yourself, you will either be reincarnated, or go to heaven where there are 70 virgins waiting for you, is it really brave to pull the trigger, or are you taking the cowards way to easy street?


The survival instinct is probably the most deeply ingrained instinct we have, probably only second to a mother's instinct to protect her young. The brainwashing involved to override the survival instinct must be phenomenal.

Certainly, Medieval Japanese culture, as refined as it was, was also utterly brutal.  Samurai would use convicted criminals to 'test the sharpness of their swords' and just chop them to bits. Often, the bodies were sewn back together again so they could repeat the exercise. For peasants, survival depended on the whim of their masters.

We saw signs of this brutality again in the Second World War where the Japanese used Burmese babies for bayonet practice.  I cannot tell you how much they were hated by the Malaysians (where I am originally from) even long after the war ended for the atrocities they committed during their occupation. But for every horror story there is also another side of the coin.

My dad was about 10 years old when the Japanese invaded Malaysia. Fearing that the Aussies and the Brits would make a last stand in Kuala Lumpur and there would be a huge fire-fight, the civilian population fled to the jungle. My dad forgot his favourite book and went back home to get it, only to run into a Japanese officer. Japanese officer put my dad in his jeep, drove him to the department store in the centre of town (which was deserted) and told him to take his pick of the wares in the store and then drove him back to the house and let him go.

Ravs
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: muckmaw on November 24, 2003, 09:48:43 AM
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Originally posted by ravells


My dad was about 10 years old when the Japanese invaded Malaysia. Fearing that the Aussies and the Brits would make a last stand in Kuala Lumpur and there would be a huge fire-fight, the civilian population fled to the jungle. My dad forgot his favourite book and went back home to get it, only to run into a Japanese officer. Japanese officer put my dad in his jeep, drove him to the department store in the centre of town (which was deserted) and told him to take his pick of the wares in the store and then drove him back to the house and let him go.

Ravs


Amazing.

I simply cannot comprehend how some people are disgusting savages and others are compassionate human beings. I sometimes doubt these 2 very different people are the same species.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: maslo on November 24, 2003, 12:24:52 PM
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Originally posted by Dowding
I don't know that one muckmaw. Is the punchline good?

I do know one thing though. This davidpt40 guy is a full-weight ****.


why ??
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Pongo on November 24, 2003, 12:30:22 PM
The Japanese achieved a level of barbarism in WW2 that the Iraqis have not even put a dent in.
What happend to those two soldiers was no different then what happend in the riots after the Rodney King verdict.  Should we nuke LA because people when free to do so can be very mean to people they hate? That is a universal constant which many posters on this board amply demonstrate and expouse.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: FUNKED1 on November 24, 2003, 12:32:34 PM
Nuking LA sounds OK.  Not as good as nuking DC, but not bad.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: muckmaw on November 24, 2003, 12:34:09 PM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Nuking LA sounds OK.  Not as good as nuking DC, but not bad.


You gotta start somewhere...but let's wait until Michael Jackson is in town.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Rude on November 24, 2003, 12:58:03 PM
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Originally posted by Pongo
The Japanese achieved a level of barbarism in WW2 that the Iraqis have not even put a dent in.
What happend to those two soldiers was no different then what happend in the riots after the Rodney King verdict.  Should we nuke LA because people when free to do so can be very mean to people they hate? That is a universal constant which many posters on this board amply demonstrate and expouse.


Darn Tootin!
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: cpxxx on November 24, 2003, 01:06:31 PM
Despite the original title of this thread those guys were ambushed and shot. But then their bodies were mutilated by a mob of young men. Horrible as that may be.

Meanwhile get on with your fantasy nuking tangents, children.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: AKIron on November 24, 2003, 01:14:06 PM
Of course many in Iraq hate the US. They were abused and deprived by their own leader for many years. He of course blamed it on the US and they had little evidence to believe otherwise.

If a stable democratic Iraqi government can be achieved they will feel differently in the years to come as individual Iraqis prosper and experience freedom like they've never known.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: AKIron on November 24, 2003, 01:36:57 PM
It's one thing to attack an enemy that's shooting at you knowing that you'll be killed which is what your private and the kamikazis did. It's another to blow yourself up in the midst of unarmed women and children. Comparing the two does a grave disservice to the former.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Pongo on November 24, 2003, 01:37:52 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
Of course many in Iraq hate the US. They were abused and deprived by their own leader for many years. He of course blamed it on the US and they had little evidence to believe otherwise.

If a stable democratic Iraqi government can be achieved they will feel differently in the years to come as individual Iraqis prosper and experience freedom like they've never known.


Or. the US has behaved hatefully towards them and they are very rationaly responding in kind.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: AKIron on November 24, 2003, 01:39:49 PM
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Originally posted by Pongo
Or. the US has behaved hatefully towards them and they are very rationaly responding in kind.


Did you forget about Kuwait? Do you think the US wasn't very patient towards Iraq, giving them every opportunity to live peacefully while abiding by their agreement to?
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: muckmaw on November 24, 2003, 01:43:18 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
Do you think the US wasn't very patient towards Iraq, giving them every opportunity to live peacefully while abiding by their agreement to?


Of course not, he's Canadian...

Many of these folks seem to have a very low opinion of their southern neighbor, these days.

But on the bright side, t's becoming like having europe right next door! Now all they need is the armpit hair and body odor.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Yeager on November 24, 2003, 01:44:29 PM
Surrendering under a white flag and then blowing yourself up killing those trying to detain you as a POW?

Asking for help and then blowing the vehicle up killing those that try to offer assistance.

Forcing a man to drive through a checkpoint for the express purpose of remote detonating the vehicle he is driving, all the while holding the drivers family hostage under threat of death unless he commits the suicide.

typical european, supporting and protecting these types of people by proxy.   Probably because they fear them....

The europeans know the harm a militant islam can bear upon them and they realize the united states will not return a 3rd time.
So they cowardly look way.  again.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Gunslinger on November 24, 2003, 01:44:51 PM
I know this wont suffice for all you black helicopter aluminum foil beanie types but army officials are stating this story is untrue.  The soldiers were infact stuck in traffic but were killed by gunshot wound.  Doesnt make it any better though
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Yeager on November 24, 2003, 01:52:16 PM
Or. the US has behaved hatefully towards them and they are very rationaly responding in kind.
====
french canadian?
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: muckmaw on November 24, 2003, 01:53:27 PM
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Originally posted by Yeager
Or. the US has behaved hatefully towards them and they are very rationaly responding in kind.
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french canadian?


Does it matter?
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Yeager on November 24, 2003, 01:58:25 PM
I know some real good people who are canadian.  None of them are french canadian though and dont seem to hold their french cousins in any sort of respectable esteem.

Pongo comes off as contentious malfeasoned french canadian.

Just curious.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Yeager on November 24, 2003, 01:59:44 PM
I don't fear them ... I don't need to.
====
You will sure as hell fear them when they detonate a nuclear warhead in Wash DC or NY because the war will come to you in person.

But...I digress.  You are nothing to me.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: ravells on November 24, 2003, 02:17:53 PM
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typical european, supporting and protecting these types of people by proxy. Probably because they fear them.... [/UNQUOTE]

Yeager...the topic was whether suicide bombing could be considered courageous...not whether we agree with it when it is done to our troops.

But don't you think the best way of minimising the chances of a nuclear device being detonated by some terrorist in any western city is to win hearts and minds rather than dehumansing an entire people by calling them 'ragheads' and advocating their extinction (as some here seem to believe) because of the acts of a few?

Don't you think that taking that approach will increase the incidences of terrorism?

Ravs
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Torque on November 24, 2003, 03:19:24 PM
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Originally posted by ravells
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typical european, supporting and protecting these types of people by proxy. Probably because they fear them.... [/UNQUOTE]

Yeager...the topic was whether suicide bombing could be considered courageous...not whether we agree with it when it is done to our troops.

But don't you think the best way of minimising the chances of a nuclear device being detonated by some terrorist in any western city is to win hearts and minds rather than dehumansing an entire people by calling them 'ragheads' and advocating their extinction (as some here seem to believe) because of the acts of a few?

Don't you think that taking that approach will increase the incidences of terrorism?

Ravs [/B]


You do understand it's Chuck you're talking to and of course that big fluffy tu-tu wearing sissy would fully agree with you, after the smoke clears that is.:rolleyes:
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: AVRO1 on November 24, 2003, 03:20:14 PM
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Originally posted by Yeager
I know some real good people who are canadian.  None of them are french canadian though and dont seem to hold their french cousins in any sort of respectable esteem.

Pongo comes off as contentious malfeasoned french canadian.

Just curious.


That really increased the average IQ of this thread. :rolleyes:

What did the big bad French Canadians do to you, or your Canadian friends, to make you hate us so much? :rolleyes:
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Pongo on November 24, 2003, 03:26:05 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
Did you forget about Kuwait? Do you think the US wasn't very patient towards Iraq, giving them every opportunity to live peacefully while abiding by their agreement to?


That is strange. I saw on 60 minutes that Kuwait was invaded after the US ambassador was asked and replied that the US didnt care what happend to Kuwait.  The US had approved of and supported previos aggressive acts on soverign states by Iraq.  this has been known for over a decade. Why do Americans still talk about the "blind" aggression of Iraq as if they were not a party to it?

Who has Iraq not lived peacfully with? Since the Gulf war how many countries has the US had miltitary operations against? How many has Iraq had military operations against?

Iraqi boys that are 18 years old now were 5 or so during the Gulf war. They have seen their country held down by US military might for their whole rememberd lives.  They have felt that national helplessness that will fill the ranks of the resistance for as long as the US decides to stay in that country. As resistance is demonstrated to be far from hopless, but in fact quite plausibly effective.

Did Sadam blame things on the US that were the fault of his goverment..I would imagine he did. Does that mean that there is no actual basis for a young Iraqi man that has grown up in the shadow of no fly zones to hate the US enought to resist the occuption. No it doenst .

Muckmaw. I am critising the actions of your goverment. I thought that was ok in democrocies? It is in ours and it was in yours..what changed?
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: 2bighorn on November 24, 2003, 03:33:12 PM
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The military official said that while an initial military report had said that the men's throats had been cut, further investigation revealed no evidence of such wounds. The military official said that the men had been pulled from the car, presumably to make it easier for Iraqis to rifle through the men's clothing and steal their possessions. The men were robbed of their personal belongings, the official said, including their guns. But they were not dragged through the streets, the official said.


Full story:
U.S. Retracts Report of Soldiers' Bodies Being Mutilated (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/24/international/24CND-IRAQ.html?ex=1070341200)
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: muckmaw on November 24, 2003, 05:31:27 PM
Bighorn-
 

That Article came from the New York Times?????
:eek:
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: 2bighorn on November 24, 2003, 07:39:13 PM
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Originally posted by muckmaw
That Article came from the New York Times?????
:eek:
Yes. Does it matter?

edit: If its too liberal, here's the same from the right...http://www.fox23news.com/news/world/story.aspx (http://www.fox23news.com/news/world/story.aspx?content_id=F2D7F6D3-2B2F-423E-AB0D-DA517602966B)
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Airhead on November 24, 2003, 08:30:53 PM
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Originally posted by AVRO1
That really increased the average IQ of this thread. :rolleyes:

What did the big bad French Canadians do to you, or your Canadian friends, to make you hate us so much? :rolleyes:



Freedom Fries! Freedom Fries!! Nannar nannar nannar!!!
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: mrblack on November 25, 2003, 02:48:38 AM
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Originally posted by ravells
Hmm let's see:

Man gets into an aeroplane packed full of explosive and flies it into a ship.

Man gets into a truck packed full of explosive and drives it into a building.

One believes he is dying for the glory of his emperor, the other believes he is dying for the glory of his god. Either way, both know they are on a one way mission.

Seems to me that both are equally corageous and/or indoctrinated.

BTW From Buddhism, Bushido gets its relationship to danger and death. The samurai do not fear death because they believe as Buddhism teaches, after death one will be reincarnated and may live another life here on earth.

Well, OK one lot believe they get another life on earth and the other believe they get to sleep with a new virgin every night in heaven.

Same difference to me.

Ravs


The difference being The Japanese kamakazi pilots attacked military targets.
As to where these arse whipes blow up women and children in the name of alah.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: davidpt40 on November 25, 2003, 03:09:24 AM
A coward is someone who does not do something because of fear.

Bravery is doing a job even though one is scared.

Suicide bombers are not cowards.  They may not feel fear due to the immense brain-washing however.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Holden McGroin on November 25, 2003, 03:26:23 AM
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Originally posted by GScholz
In Iraq they are targeting military targets (like what this thread is about).


The Red Cross and Kofi Annan's offices are military targets.   check.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: maslo on November 25, 2003, 05:13:51 AM
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Originally posted by Yeager
I don't fear them ... I don't need to.
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You will sure as hell fear them when they detonate a nuclear warhead in Wash DC or NY because the war will come to you in person.
 


and who told it to you ??
same authority that said, there are WMD in Iraq ?
Same authority , whitch said, that Iran have nuclear program focused on weapons ?


actualy did that authority said true at least once ?
did they ever apologize for lies ?

ahh im silly ... they already admited that evil guy in CIA gave wrong information to goverment... chmmm poor goverment didnt do nothing wrong, they do only the best   :D

how was mandatory report from CIA to congres about facts and iraq ? is it public document ?
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: AVRO1 on November 25, 2003, 06:27:05 AM
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Originally posted by Airhead
Freedom Fries! Freedom Fries!! Nannar nannar nannar!!!


Call them what you want but they will always be French fries.

Yeager's comment was just racist anti French crap.
The French did not believe in going to war so Chirac decided not to go because he is already very unpopular.
They elected him because the other guy was an extremist.
Going to war could have caused big riots in France.

If the polls had shown that 80% of Americans were against going to war their would not have been one.
I dont see the difference, but maybe that is because I am French Canadian. :rolleyes:
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: muckmaw on November 25, 2003, 07:47:16 AM
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Yes. Does it matter?

edit: If its too liberal, here's the same from the right...http://www.fox23news.com/news/world/story.aspx (http://www.fox23news.com/news/world/story.aspx?content_id=F2D7F6D3-2B2F-423E-AB0D-DA517602966B)


Yes, it does matter, because I am very surprised the Times would really print that. It's much too good of a tool for the left to attack the administration with.

If the times printed something like this, it must be true.
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Post by: muckmaw on November 25, 2003, 07:48:58 AM
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Originally posted by AVRO1
Call them what you want but they will always be French fries.

Yeager's comment was just racist anti French crap.
The French did not believe in going to war so Chirac decided not to go because he is already very unpopular.
They elected him because the other guy was an extremist.
Going to war could have caused big riots in France.

If the polls had shown that 80% of Americans were against going to war their would not have been one.
I dont see the difference, but maybe that is because I am French Canadian. :rolleyes:


The presidents approval rating drops every time a soldier falls in Iraq. Does this mean he should pull the troops out to save his political arnold or commit political suicide and finish the job we started?

You know as well as I do you cannot run foreign policy based on poll numbers.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: AVRO1 on November 25, 2003, 09:23:35 AM
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Originally posted by muckmaw
The presidents approval rating drops every time a soldier falls in Iraq. Does this mean he should pull the troops out to save his political arnold or commit political suicide and finish the job we started?

You know as well as I do you cannot run foreign policy based on poll numbers.


Which does not stop politicians from trying.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: maslo on November 25, 2003, 09:23:38 AM
IMAO straffo im IN :D
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Rude on November 25, 2003, 10:03:20 AM
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Originally posted by Pongo
Or. the US has behaved hatefully towards them and they are very rationaly responding in kind.


Yup...it's always our fault...we're such a hateful and uncaring bunch.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Rude on November 25, 2003, 10:09:16 AM
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Originally posted by GScholz
Those two attacks were terrorist acts. The 30 or so attacks on coalition troops every day are not.


Wake up Putz!!!

A small group of Bathists and TERRORISTS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES are bent on TERRORIZING innocent Iraqi's, NGO's and anyone else who might support the Coalition efforts.

This is not a national uprising fighting for their sovreignty, so stop apologizing for Sadam and those of like minds.....you should be ashamed of yourself.
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Post by: mrblack on November 26, 2003, 02:24:25 AM
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Originally posted by GScholz
LOL no it is not me or my country that should me ashamed, well perhaps for not openly opposing this war. How do you know it is a small group of Baathists? Even the US forces there don't know who or how many they are, they don't even know how many groups there are or their objectives. Funny how you're mind is set on not only how many there are but on what their objectives are. Those that attack military personnel are not terrorists as defined by the UN and your own FBI and State Department. Sleep tight Putz, I don't expect you will awaken from you nationalistic, militaristic and simplistic mindset any time soon.


I'm sorry but what has been Norways contribution to the world lately?
Last I heard It was still just a little piss ant country where the Men are more atractive than the women :rofl
Hard to tell they both have beards you know.

Back to the subject What really has Norway Done for the world?
Can anyone Name anything worthwhile?????????

Oh thats right They have done NOTHING!!
So It's really easy to sit back and pop off about what other countries are doing when you'r own country Is to candy a ssed to do ANYTHING.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Holden McGroin on November 26, 2003, 02:51:12 AM
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Originally posted by GScholz
How do you know it is a small group of Baathists? Even the US forces there don't know who or how many they are, they don't even know how many groups there are or their objectives.  


I believe one can reasonably believe that Baathist hold outs are a large part of the remaining problem. Until recently, the anti-new-regime violence being largely in the Sunni Triangle, the base of support for the Baath party and Hussein.

The information I gather says that most of the acreage (or is it hectarage?) of Iraq seems to be much quieter than that central region.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Fishu on November 26, 2003, 03:02:20 AM
Gscholz,

When their bombs mostly kill innocent people, they're cowards.
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: ravells on November 26, 2003, 05:14:36 AM
Mr Black said:

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I'm sorry but what has been Norways contribution to the world lately?

Last I heard It was still just a little piss ant country where the Men are more atractive than the women  
Hard to tell they both have beards you know.  


Well, there is this:

Denmark/Norway. Denmark and Norway are major donors of foreign aid, contributing almost one percent of their GDP in foreign aid each year, far above the 0.23 percent average for industrial countries.

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and this:

It is 87 years since Roald Amundsen, on December 14th 1911, stood victorious at the South Pole. He had reached a goal that was the dream of many men. For the first time, human voices broke the awesome silence of the world's southernmost point.  

Norway produced the following people:

Ibsen, Greig, Thor Heyerdahl, Ernest O Lawrence (who invented the cyclotron) Earl Warren (yes that Earl Warren) was the son of a Norweigian immigrant, ...and Leif Ericcson (who discovered America).

All in all not bad for a country with a tiny population!

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And finally this from the Norweigian prime minister to the Un shortly after 9/11:

As Norwegians watched television in disbelief, learning about the tragedies in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania, we felt anger, outrage and fear.

Outside the American Embassy in Oslo, crowds gathered in mourning.

They left flowers, candles and notes, creating a memorial to the thousands gone.  People talked softly, shook their heads, hugged each other, slowly realizing that something had changed forever.

As the first few days passed, shock gave way to sorrow, sorrow to sympathy, and sympathy to solidarity.

The sorrow over lives lost and a world gone, the sympathy for families bereaved and leaders faced with formidable tasks.

All of this gave birth to a new solidarity, a new unity, in Norway as in so many other countries.

The terrorists attacked an entire world, and as we have seen over the past twelve weeks, the entire world now fights back.

We pay tribute to the men and women of the United States military who are risking their lives in a fight for all of us.

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Oh....and if you think that Norway doesn't have more than it's fair share of gorgeous women, you are probably blind or have a really weird idea of what beauty is.

Finally have a look here: http://www.scandinavica.com/culture/society/UNreport.htm

Where you will see that Nordic countries has been found to have the best standard of living in the world.

Not bad for a 'little piss ant country' eh, Mr Black?

Ravs
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Post by: Holden McGroin on November 26, 2003, 05:23:05 AM
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Oh....and if you think that Norway doesn't have more than it's fair share of gorgeous women, you are probably blind or have a really weird idea of what beauty is.

Finally have a look here: http://www.scandinavica.com/culture...ty/UNreport.htm

Where you will see that Nordic countries has been found to have the best standard of living in the world.


I checked out the link, no babes.  Where's the babes of Scandanavia link?
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: ravells on November 26, 2003, 05:33:11 AM
Do a google :D

Ravs
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Saintaw on November 26, 2003, 05:38:08 AM
to homo erectus (aka mrblack)

i think a norwegian guy called "Leif Eirikson" discovered something called "Amheerka" (might be spelled differently, just making sure YOU understand).
Title: Two U.S. troopers get their throats cut
Post by: Kirin on November 26, 2003, 06:09:14 AM
Hey Saw - don't use latin words - MrBlack might misunderstand you on the "homo" part!! Oh, and errectus might make it even worse!

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Let's see - what does Norway do...   living peacefully with its neighbours and the rest of the world... hmm - imagine everyone doing that - NAH - what a boring world!