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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: kanttori on November 24, 2003, 02:18:18 PM
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I have one idea to make more Squads co-operating to the Combat Theater. I use for an example FinRus map and Continuation War, because I know it best... and maybe Mr Fork is going to run the updated Winter FinRus near our Independence Day (Saturday 6th December)! ;)
Here's the FinRus Clipboard map which I have divited to sectors. In every sector is named historical Regiments whick were in those areas in February 1944:
(http://www.kesalesket.net/kanttori/kuvia/finrus_sectors.jpg)
TRANSLATIONS:
FAF = Finnish Air Force (Suomen Ilmavoimat)
LeR 1 = 1st Air Regiment (Lentorykmentti 1)
LLv 32 = 32th Squadron (Lentolaivue 32)
VVS SF = The Arctic Ocean Fleet's Air Forces
7 VA = 7th Air Army
KBF = Baltic Sea Fleet's Air Forces
20 IAP = 20th Air Regiment
3 GIAP = 3rd Guards' Air Regiment
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HOW IT IS WORKING?
We have located our Finnish biggest CT Squads LLv 32 and LLv 34 to their historical Air defence areas. We have room to other "wild" Finns to defence the LeR 2 area.
We have also located JG3 Udet to Estonia, where was historically Luftflotte 1 in those days (JG3's TwoDogs5 likes this idea...)
In the Lapaland was Luftflotte 5 and JG5. We have a little JG5 Squad in CT, and Harppa (one of the three members) said, that they are in this experiment and try to defense their sector.
I have asked from CT Squad III/JG2 to take the southern Luftflotte 5's sector and I'm waiting now their answer...
We are going to defence mainly Squads' own areas and help the other sectors if they ask help for example under heavy attack. Then we can release for ex. one swarm to neighbour Squad.
And we are going to run this system whole FinRus CT-week. If Enemy has captured our bases when we are not in the arena, we are going to make counterattacks and capture them back.
And we are not only defence our sectors, we are going to make couple of heavy attacks to Russian bases which are in front of our sectors!;)
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ALLIED: ORGANIZE YOUR SQUADS, TOO!
One idea is, that Allied can join to this system! As you can see there are Six Russian Air Regiments located to their historical areas.
CT Squads which are normally flying as Allied, can select one Russian Regiment and defence its sector in whole week as we are going to do! :aok
Gentlemen, your opinions of this idea, please!:cool:
And Allied, if you are in this experiment, write here in which Russian Regiment's sector you are going to locate yourself!
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I think it's an interesting concept, and one that would be excellent for the upcoming AH2 Tour of Duty.
The drawback I see as far as the CT goes is that, if everyone plays along and sticks to their assigned territory, it would have the effect of further diluting an already-limited population.
It's also pretty structured for an arena where a sizeable number of players just like to pop in and be able to find a good a2a fight.
Experience on this map (one of the best, btw) is that virtually all the action always takes place in the Leningrad/Gulf of Finland area. Rarely does anything happen in the north exept the occassional milkrunner. Trying to force a sometimes quite small population to spread out over quite a large chunk of real estate -- thereby limiting or eliminating any opposition -- could be discouraging to some.
I'm sure there are ways around this ... but it would seem to require some form of overall command-and-control to make it work. Again, that sounds like a job for Tour of Duty.
Splash1
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Heya Kanttori.
When would this be going on? The whole week, or are we trying to coordinate a time/day when we can get everybody on for a big squad op type deal? We're trying to see how many pilots we can field, and see schedule-wise who can make it and when.
Gotta make sure it fits with real life. But it sounds fun. I'd especially like to do some joint-ops with other LW squads. :)
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I know that this idea needs much more players to CT and that is what I trying to do. One way to get more players to this great arena is organize the CT squads and give them a challenge! ;)
I hope that they are making more co-operating in Squads and between Squads and also that the fight is spreading to those quiet zones like Lapland in this map.
This is working when there are at least 50 - 60 players in the arena. If the 10 biggest CT Squads can pull themselves up it might be work: Take the Squad members from the bigger MA Squad and drag them to check CT!:aok
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The time tables are difficult because of different time zones. Maybe we can make some kind of "double occupation" to those sectors. Or the wild players or smaller squads can fight in the area of priority in the quiet moments.
The main idea is that the war is going on whole the week. My Lentolaivue 32 Squad can organize almost every evening (FinRus week) at least 8 pilots between 18:00 - 22:00 GMT. After that we have 3 - 4 "night living flyers" there between 22:00 - 02:00 GMT.
European timeline Squads can agree some kind of timetable to this, for ex. between 18:00 - 24:00 GMT. Individual Squad's player must not be there those six hour, but he shall be there for ex. two hours between 20:00 - 22:00 GMT.
I mean the Squad's players are "shift working" in the arena. We have that system in our Squad's evening on Saturdays, because everybody have his own timetables: We must be at least two hours there between 18:00 - 22:00 GMT. And it is working: pilots come and pilots go, but the amount of us is almost near the same! :)
US timeline Squads can agree their own timelines according to this model.
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I think this is going to work out quite well if we can get everyone from both sides of the coin to do their part. This type of structure from both the Allied and Axis forces would bring a new form of realism to the CT.
Yes, there will always be the pop-in pilots that just want to mix it up a bit and then go their way, but that will not hinder the rest of us, at least I do not see it as a major problem.
Tarmac, JG-3 is always willing to work along side any of the Axis squadrons, so if you have any ideas... Just send me an email bud and we can get it going. HORRIDO!
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I can't speak for my whole squad on this, but I can speak for about 25% of its CT-flying members (ie me). That's the week before final exams at my university, so playing every night is out of the question.
I would love to have a "squad night" as some kind of grand finale for the week though; a big night, kind of like squad ops, where we could get a bunch of squads working loosely together for each team. If anyone wants to try to come up with a day or time window, I'm sure some people in my squad could modify their schedules to make it.
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Great idea Kanttori.
325th, 880FAA, and VF-27 seem to have the most particiaption out of the Allied squads lately. If one of them wanna take the reigns and make assignments for Allied units, I'll put the 78th , all four or five of us wherever assigned.
These kind of ideas are great for the CT , and everybody should put em out there when they have them.
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If Mr Fork is going to run this setup in December, I sugges that we start the first "official" experiment on Finnish Independence Day:
Date: Saturday 6th December
Time: 20:00 - 02:00 GMT (15:00 - 21:00 US Eastern, 22:00 - 04:00 Eastern Europe and Israel)
It is maybe too early from the US Squads, but on the other hand it's very late in the Eastern Europe and in the Middle East.
We could agree that every Sguads are there at least 4 hours period and the Squads' pilots are making "shift work" being there at least 2 hours during this time. Every Squad CO's make the in turns with his pilots and timetables!
If the SSD (Squad's Sector Defencing) system is working, we can continue it whole the week at the same time. :)
Is this timetable ok to everybody?:confused: :)
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Kanttori,
Love the idea but don't think it will work. There are not nearly enough regular CT players to man the lines the way you show them. In all likelihood LLv32 will be unopposed in it's sector much of the time as Allied squadrons will have no players or few.
What I expect to happen is that on a rotation LLv32 will be unopposed,then JG-3, then the 325th, etc as each squadron musters to find that there is no one flying against them.
Perhaps instead of a week long event it can be confined to Saturday or Sunday. The CT is always has more pilots then. With the numbers up your plan becomes more workable.
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Kanttori
, I too have to agree with scJazz on this one. Trying to get pilots to be somewhere at a certain time, other than squad nights, can be a big pain at best. I myself could dedicate myself to this kind of schedule. However, at the age of 52, I am retired and have a lot of time on my hands, but most of my pilots have professional careers and jobs they must attend to during the time periods that are mentioned. The weekend would probably be the best time for this venture, as most of our Jagdgeschwader is available then. The entire week would be quite iffy!
The other question I would have on the sector JG-3 is charged with, is are we strictly confined to this area. It is quite small and if there is nothing in our area, I know my pilots will go hunting, as that is their nature, lol.
Joint ops would have to be the bigger issue here, as everybody will want their fair share of battle. I understand that the Allied forces are going to be in their own designated sectors, but again, that is if they can field the forces they have to work with. It would be nice knowing that we would be going against an equal foe in numbers, instead of just a few. This is not fun for either side, to have a lopsided battle. It just creates animosity and anger on one side, and gets pretty boring on the other! Just a thought.
I will put together a list of JG-3 pilots that can dedicate their time on those dates and hours and submit it to you. We will then go on from there. I really want this to work, and I still think that there are a lot of CT regulars out there that have great ideas on this matter, but have not spoken up. Let's hear from you too.
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You have a big Leningrad area in front of you to attack with LLv 34! And as you know, 90 % of FinRus fights in CT has been on that Gulf Of Finland area. I think you can hunt enough Russians there and I'm sure you are not pooring! :D
And remeber that Germans have all the Lapland, we must move the fights on some evening to the north. There are nice landscapes to fly: arctic hills and fjords... But maybe it is better that we make our plans and strategy with e-mails and don't tell everything to Allied!;)
Maybe it is best that we concentrate the Squad co-operating to the first weekend: Practicing and muffing in the Friday and present the main show in Saturday evening! :aok
But everybody tell me here what is the best time to Your Squad in the weekends. Then we can plan the best compromise times to this scenario! :)
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Based on what I've seen over the last few weeks I've been back flying in the CT you've got a couple of hurdles to overcome.
As mentioned already you will rarely have enough folks logged on to provide any real depth of coverage across the entire map.
Additionally I haven't seen much from many of the "squads" in the CT...often you canfind them as far way from anything that might kill them or interfere with the glorious process of landgrabing. As one of the "pop in's" I'm looking for a good fight...I fly the side with the lower #'s most of the time. I see a significant number of others who do the same...
I think its a great idea and will certainly support it to the degree its pratical...but realistically its got limited aplicability.
azhacker
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Kantorri,
We have moved one squad night (Thursday 9:00PM EST) to the CT. If we can help make this work let me know. As far as getting the whole squad over every night for a week, I doubt it.
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Originally posted by kanttori
And Allied, if you are in this experiment, write here in which Russian Regiment's sector you are going to locate yourself!
We'll take the sector that involves sitting in the tower and drinking beer. Although could you mark this area more clearly on the map?
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Jim, couple of us Finns (like me) are there in that time Thursday, too. It's morning 4 o'clock here, but when FinRus is in the CT we Finns are flying like mads!:D
So welcome!;)
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Lentolaivue 32 and Lentolaivue 34 are going to operate in their own sectors and this is our timetable:
Date: Saturday 6th December
Time: Three hours between 19:00 - 22:00 GMT (14:00 - 17:00 US Eastern, 21:00 - 24:00 Finland and Eastern Europe)
We are going to test this sector operating system two hours and look is it working! If it's not, we forget it. That's very simply and clear... ;)
If your Squad is with us making this test, let me know it in this thread and tell the estimate numbers of your Squad's players!
THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN! :)
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Ok, Lentolaivue 32 and Lentolaivue 34 tested it and this is result:
Date: Saturday 6th December
Time: Three hours between 19:00 - 22:00 GMT (14:00 - 17:00 US Eastern)
Relative strength (total):
Axis: between 20-25 players
Allied: between 15-20 players
Organized Squads and their activity:
Lentolaivue 32 (8-9 pilots)
We captured about 8 airfields and used time about 2.5 hours. Only 1 (!) Russian tried to stop us half hour with aircraft or gv. We made very long link from our "attacking" area to the back of the Lentolaivue 32's front (from A17 via A23 to A15), where the Battle was going on all the time (around A10).
Lentolaivue 34 (4-5 pilots)
They tried to attack all the time in the same area (from A9 to A10) but the front line didn't move, because almost all the Allied/Russians were there against them. In this front were mostly all the Axis/Finns/Germans, too.
CONCLUSION:
Because there were any organized (?) activity from Allied, Lentolaivue 32 had boring and lonesome "capturing war" north from the main battle.
THIS IS NOT WORKING IN CT, BECAUSE THERE ARE TOO FEW PLAYERS!:(
And now I believe it, because it is proved scientific... :D