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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: CrzHrs on November 24, 2003, 07:21:22 PM
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How many of you think you need a thought moderator?
Speak up on whether you think this should be done away with in its current format of allowing a player to be secluded and without any provide directive by HTC as to what their function is and how its to be applied ! if you think HTC has steped over the line speak up!
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proably better if you talk to them in private about it......
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I don't need one but seem you do.
This is a business bud. This is not a public forum or entertainment service. If you have problems watching your language when you're online then too bad.
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This is nothing less than Big Brother at work and never to be take private, u can't even mention this in the text buffer or you'll get muted, so the Moderator must get some kind of kick back from HTC. The .squelch is right at your finger tips you dont need this Moderator crap, if its so risky to be a Moderator that HTC has to cloak the identity of the individual then our text buffer must really be something else, but in fact thats not the case at all so lets bounce this Moderator crap to the curb and gutter where it belongs and rid the text buffer of Big Brother!!!
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westy u have taken this clear out of context as u usually do, nothing at all was said about language, thats an assumption on ur part so that must be where the majority of your own thinking is, what the point is is that the .squelch is their and thats what I use on u, HTC doesnt need the Big Brother Moderator no ifs ands or butts ! The text buffer is usually fairly tame, if someone is offended it can be filmed and sent to HTC and they can do their job which is also part of running a company, they should do it not a behind the scenes individual that cant even tell you what is to be muted and what isnt ! HTC has droped the ball there! And it is in fact an entertainment service!
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Originally posted by CrzHrs
The .squelch is right at your finger tips you dont need this Moderator crap
Just because there is a .squelch feature in the game, it doesn't give one the greenlight to start spewing filth. The game that I work for has a language filter to mask any foul language and I repeatedly tell players that I bust for using foul language that the language filter doesn't give one the greenlight to violate the TOS.
ack-ack
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Again people nothing was said about foul language ! Point is HTC cannot or will not provide a directive that defines the function of moderator! I mentioned dissolving the position of Moderator on open text and got muted now thats some power! Way to much power, HTC must define what these behind the scenes people can and cannot do so that they are not a violator of the power themselves!
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.SQUELCH CrzHrs
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I don't have the faintest idea what he's talking about, so I guess it hasn't affected me.
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Maybe there are a set of guidelines that are made known to the moderators, and only the moderators, in which they work. Maybe they are not posted to prevent such "rules" bickering and definition-bending speech, you know, talking around a subject which is mutable. Maybe a log is kept and has to be submitted whenever a mute is applied and you just don't see it.
Every good witch hunt started with someone saying "burn the witch...", well ok, there were probably a few with references to newts in them, but anyway, all it takes is someone to start the kindling burning about getting rid of the moderators and the tardlet-wood will soon be jumping in and then there is a forest fire of dissent against a system installed to basically monitor those who need monitoring so that those who can keep a relatively civil tone to their gaming discourse can go unhindered/provoked by these few. Seems they have zero tolerance for going after the moderators, eh?
Lastly, its their game and they get to choose the environmental controls. You get to choose whether your account gets renewed or not. Hopefully it does because this would be such a petty thing to leave over. Take a chill-break and go vulch a bit, you'll forget all this in no time.
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"I don't have the faintest idea what he's talking about, so I guess it hasn't affected me."
Hey. That never stopped you from replying to topics in the OT forum ;)
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Originally posted by Westy
"I don't have the faintest idea what he's talking about, so I guess it hasn't affected me."
Hey. That never stopped you from replying to topics in the OT forum ;)
Which is why I replied here, too.
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817-251-1540
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Since I am intelligent enough to have an idea where the line is, I can figure out what will get me muted/moderated; as such, I will not call you a moron.
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IN !!
I know it was an childish thing to do but I couldn't help myself. I've missed out on the other threads.
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Crzhrs, there is no excuse for having problems with the moderators. It doesn't have to be vulgarity, anything that you are told you cannot say is actionable by the moderators. They no more want players arguing these matters online than using vulgarity. It's a matter of control. AH isn't a public venue for you to excercize your right of speach. It's a business. When you are muted, you are in affect being informed what not to say. If you can't accept it, leave AcesHigh.
The vast majority of the players have never had this type of problem, and those who have, in the vast majority of cases, deserved it. But, if you truely feel you've been mistreated, you can discuss it with HTC. This is the very last place you should air these complaints. You'll get no sympathy from us.
grizzly
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You speak for all ehhh Grizz? Look the Moderator position needs defined so that they themselves arent allowed to abuse the position, but you cant tell what that is now can you! It seems that all of you are very ready to lay down and accept whatever is handed out just so you can play this game, I on the other hand am not afraid to air it out and get it laid out so that it can be applied fairly to all, in its current condition that cant happen, if your all to blinded to see that then you will richly deserve what you get. Moderators can and have abused their power and thats simply because its open ended. If they bounce me outta here so be it, but I will say my peice, if ya dont uinderstand it, dont like it or what ever thats ok, its of no import to me, but for a company to allow this to go on is no good for the community at large and you are not even remotely a cross section of AH and neither am I but I took the shot ! All of you have made it apparent your willing to lay down and take dictation even though you pay for it I guess that means you should have no input on how the community is handled. To set you highbrows straight I havent often ran into a problem with this Moderator grinch but I did tonite and it was absolutely stupid on the Moderators part, we were discussing freedom, a certain player was getting called down by a fairly large group, I simply pointed out that he had a right to his opinion and that is part of what our service to the country was all about, it was then I was told I was disrupting game play! A text buffer disrupts game play, now theres and interesting point. So I the said we needed to dissolve the moderators position, muted again, cant say what ya think, cant disrupt game play with a text buffer, this is stupid, this is Moderator abuse, Moderator input wasnt needed here, there wasnt any foul language, any rude behaviour etc, attitudes wer being expressed, was it the right so called forum maybe not but who cares it wasnt offensive to anyone but this Moderator just had to exercise the position and this is what my gripe is define so we dont have this kind of crap. HTC dont want to define it because they want a sitter to look after you so that they dont have to be bothered with their business! And in fact Grizz with this Moderator a good majority did have a problem, but you just cant manage to see that from your high moral ground. I guess that being muted tonite for the first time in the 3 or 4 years of playing this game must make me one of the more abusive and offensive players no doubt, the gall to bring up an issue like this is so foreign to the rest of you that you need to make personal attacks rather that just to address the issue I brought up, so online your stellar little people but here in the BBS you can let your hair down and let the real you shine !!!
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I think it's funny you got muted.
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I've been muted a handful of times... deserved every one. IMHO the moderators do a fair job; all the while, as far as I know, with no reward... and occasional abuse to boot.
I just don't understand why people care if they get muted. So ya lose 10 minutes of chat time... learn a lesson so you don't make the mistake again. I'm not saying moerators are infallible... what moderator in any game/sport is?
If getting muted burns you so badly... perhaps you should consider spending time in a chat room that sets no boundaries on language.
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I think moderators should not only be allowed to abuse the position, but they should be encouraged to do so.
MiniD
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Steve how dod happen to pop into your mind that I got muted for language, the assumptions you people make is appalling, and some are very easily entertained ! HTC define the limits of what the Moderator operates under !
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Lol, you did get muted for language. You sure didn't get muted for spilling pop on your keyboard. I said "language".. not vulgarity.
Speaking of assuming... lol! While I'm not appalled that you assumed by "language" I meant "vulgarity, I AM amused at the irony.
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Another easily entertained individual I wonder what that implys!! Hmmm simple comes to mind, since u went from general to specific yes you could say language, gee we all use it isnt that an interesting idea, and its no surprise you have been muted, and as to learning apparently since it happened more that once to you the process must be slow for you, care to keep gettin cute, or how bout just sticking to the subject of HTC limiting what the Moderator can respond to. HTC define the role of the Moderator for all to see, come clean!
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Originally posted by CrzHrs
Steve how dod happen to pop into your mind that I got muted for language, the assumptions you people make is appalling, and some are very easily entertained ! HTC define the limits of what the Moderator operates under !
If you want a guideline of what the moderators operate under, read the TOS. As long as you don't violate the TOS, you shouldn't have to worry about being actioned by the moderators.
ack-ack
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Don Quixote lives...
Can you sing "The Impossible Dream" too?
kbman
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ACK-ACK I have read the TOS several times before I launched into this and it to is wide open, section 11 ( parapharse) in the sole opinion of htc system abuse has occured, it doesnt define a thing to me, just says we will do what we like, kinda like KB goin to work and told your fired, we aint gonna tell ya why just in our opininon we can do without ya, no recourse, no nothin just cause we can. But thanks for the replys ACK-ACK, since only the smartass component of the community is replying this is pretty much useless, you on the other hand at least tried and I thank you. I just keep e-mailing HTC for a better resolution.
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Originally posted by CrzHrs
You speak for all ehhh Grizz? Look the Moderator position needs defined so that they themselves arent allowed to abuse the position, but you cant tell what that is now can you! It seems that all of you are very ready to lay down and accept whatever is handed out just so you can play this game, I on the other hand am not afraid to air it out and get it laid out so that it can be applied fairly to all, in its current condition that cant happen, if your all to blinded to see that then you will richly deserve what you get. Moderators can and have abused their power and thats simply because its open ended. If they bounce me outta here so be it, but I will say my peice, if ya dont uinderstand it, dont like it or what ever thats ok, its of no import to me, but for a company to allow this to go on is no good for the community at large and you are not even remotely a cross section of AH and neither am I but I took the shot ! All of you have made it apparent your willing to lay down and take dictation even though you pay for it I guess that means you should have no input on how the community is handled. To set you highbrows straight I havent often ran into a problem with this Moderator grinch but I did tonite and it was absolutely stupid on the Moderators part, we were discussing freedom, a certain player was getting called down by a fairly large group, I simply pointed out that he had a right to his opinion and that is part of what our service to the country was all about, it was then I was told I was disrupting game play! A text buffer disrupts game play, now theres and interesting point. So I the said we needed to dissolve the moderators position, muted again, cant say what ya think, cant disrupt game play with a text buffer, this is stupid, this is Moderator abuse, Moderator input wasnt needed here, there wasnt any foul language, any rude behaviour etc, attitudes wer being expressed, was it the right so called forum maybe not but who cares it wasnt offensive to anyone but this Moderator just had to exercise the position and this is what my gripe is define so we dont have this kind of crap. HTC dont want to define it because they want a sitter to look after you so that they dont have to be bothered with their business! And in fact Grizz with this Moderator a good majority did have a problem, but you just cant manage to see that from your high moral ground. I guess that being muted tonite for the first time in the 3 or 4 years of playing this game must make me one of the more abusive and offensive players no doubt, the gall to bring up an issue like this is so foreign to the rest of you that you need to make personal attacks rather that just to address the issue I brought up, so online your stellar little people but here in the BBS you can let your hair down and let the real you shine !!!
The worlds longest paragraph:aok
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Hey ... I think Crazy Hours is winning! Has everyone on the ropes here! Don't stop now! Do that Wang Chung Foo stuff on `em! Wall `o text `em to death! :D
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I'd be in favor of MORE moderation, maybe mute some of the whining.
cars
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Plain and simple, if you object to the moderator, film it, and send it to HTC. He will make a decision what is right and wrong by the actions of the moderator. If you do not get the resolution you like, either quit or go start your own massively multiplayer online world war 2 flying game. so.............
Tapakeg
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And would mean what exactly?
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Here's a site for finding out the meaning of pretty much any acronym: http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/frames.html
...but apparently not this one, though they include others that contain the F word.
// fats
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edited - removed stupid comment.
On topic:
We could use MORE moderators, still way too much clutter on ch1... and one should not be forced to pick between spending 20 minutes typing his own squelch list since someone here still blalantly refuses to put up with a squelch list .... or playing the game.
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Originally posted by DmdBT
Maybe there are a set of guidelines that are made known to the moderators, and only the moderators, in which they work. Maybe they are not posted to prevent such "rules" bickering and definition-bending speech, you know, talking around a subject which is mutable. Maybe a log is kept and has to be submitted whenever a mute is applied and you just don't see it.
Well BT, unless the rules for these anonyjerks have changed since I quit flying alot, there's not a list. Not even an objective set of guidelines, and the anonyjerks can and do abuse the system where someone they don't like is concerned. There's at least 2 that mute me any time I say *anything* on channel 1. I once got muted for answering a noob's question, and it was the first thing I had said on channel 1 in 2 days. This is why I don't really fly much anymore.
Then there's 1 who I guess thinks I'm ok. I've had a conversation or two with this one, me talking on ch1 and they using thier popup boxes, telling me I was pushing too hard and to calm down. Hell this worked better than just a straight mute, 'cause I pretty much forgot what set me off in the place.
Then there's the times when people have been muted and left wondering why when there's a political debate going on on channel1 and it's starting to get real nasty, but there's never a let up in it from either side. But I'm stuck muted for telling someone they made a handsomehunk move after they whined at me cause they got shot down. /shrug
Now, all this may have changed, I really don't have any idea. I don't fly much anymore because of this, and I damn sure don't enter the arena with my usual "Hello again, my excellent friends" that I've used since beta so when I do fly, the anonyjerks don't know it until I land kills.
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Damn, Cavey, I can't imagine why a model citizen like you would ever be muted.
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I still remember that Afrika Korps scenario when Swoop and I shot him down. :aok
What is it with this place recently. Just when we've got a handle on tards like SOB (ha! ;)), enter the stage left the weirdest bunch of people I've had the misfortune to meet.
Sure is entertaining though. Keep it up!
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I still remember of the AK scenario and the incompetent brit leader who tried to kill me and my wingman :p
hummm ... that don't look to be politicaly correct :D
Beaufighter rulezzzzzzzzzz :aok
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lol Don't blame me - it was Frenchy who led the squadron on that first mission where we got bounced by 109s and half the squad ran out of fuel before being shot down. :)
Speaking of Dudule - does he still play AH?
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ooops :)
I though it was you but as you're still brit it won't change : I hate you anyway ;)
Dudule is stuck in his B1bis/H75 somewhere in the north of France
I've news from time to time he will give a try to AHII TOD when availlable but I don't think he'll come back ...
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"nothing at all was said about language"
You're a stump. No doubt about it.
The deliberate typing of swearing, being crass/obnoxious, deliberately disruptive or lamely trying to hide intent or context via mispellings are the ONLY reasons one will get muted or have problems with a moderator. All of that is via text "language."
" I have read the TOS several times.."
But you cannot do a board "search"? lol. I'll say it again moron. Do a search on "censorship" and you will see that HTC has already outlined thier policy several times. I honestly don't think they give two cheesez about you and your ludicrous self imposed "championing" of imagined "players rights" to explain it again to someone as thick as you.
"You speak for all ehhh Grizz?"
Much more so than you I'd wager.
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Originally posted by CrzHrs
This is nothing less than Big Brother at work and never to be take private, u can't even mention this in the text buffer or you'll get muted, so the Moderator must get some kind of kick back from HTC. The .squelch is right at your finger tips you dont need this Moderator crap, if its so risky to be a Moderator that HTC has to cloak the identity of the individual then our text buffer must really be something else, but in fact thats not the case at all so lets bounce this Moderator crap to the curb and gutter where it belongs and rid the text buffer of Big Brother!!!
I love it when somebody comes to the BBS to garner support to change HTCs' business operating environment ... "so lets bounce this Moderator crap to the curb and gutter where it belongs and rid the text buffer of Big Brother!!!"
You make it sound like we have the power, thru consensus, to change what HTC does with their business. I would bet that none of us are on HTCs' Board of Directors, so our vote does not count.
I would like to see MORE moderator intervention. I hate it when someone sparks some political and/or religious conversation that then takes over the buffer for the next hour or so. I hate it when people use the "all" channel to first taunt someone and then the insults fly for the next 15 minutes or so.
As far as I am concerned, the text channels are to be used for in-game chat that is cordial and/or has to do with the game at hand. Anything outside of that, are actionable by the moderators and if you get muted for crossing that boundry ... tuff shizit for you.
If you get muted ... suck it up ... and as Steve said ... learn from it.
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The key to winning any argument in regards to freedom of speech is presenting your points in a manner that doesn't make everyone else wish you'd just shut the **** up.
MiniD
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Originally posted by CrzHrs
You speak for all ehhh Grizz? Look the Moderator position needs defined so that they themselves arent allowed to abuse the position, but you cant tell what that is now can you! It seems that all of you are very ready to lay down and accept whatever is handed out just so you can play this game, I on the other hand am not afraid to air it out and get it laid out so that it can be applied fairly to all, in its current condition that cant happen, if your all to blinded to see that then you will richly deserve what you get. Moderators can and have abused their power and thats simply because its open ended. If they bounce me outta here so be it, but I will say my peice, if ya dont uinderstand it, dont like it or what ever thats ok, its of no import to me, but for a company to allow this to go on is no good for the community at large and you are not even remotely a cross section of AH and neither am I but I took the shot ! All of you have made it apparent your willing to lay down and take dictation even though you pay for it I guess that means you should have no input on how the community is handled. To set you highbrows straight I havent often ran into a problem with this Moderator grinch but I did tonite and it was absolutely stupid on the Moderators part, we were discussing freedom, a certain player was getting called down by a fairly large group, I simply pointed out that he had a right to his opinion and that is part of what our service to the country was all about, it was then I was told I was disrupting game play! A text buffer disrupts game play, now theres and interesting point. So I the said we needed to dissolve the moderators position, muted again, cant say what ya think, cant disrupt game play with a text buffer, this is stupid, this is Moderator abuse, Moderator input wasnt needed here, there wasnt any foul language, any rude behaviour etc, attitudes wer being expressed, was it the right so called forum maybe not but who cares it wasnt offensive to anyone but this Moderator just had to exercise the position and this is what my gripe is define so we dont have this kind of crap. HTC dont want to define it because they want a sitter to look after you so that they dont have to be bothered with their business! And in fact Grizz with this Moderator a good majority did have a problem, but you just cant manage to see that from your high moral ground. I guess that being muted tonite for the first time in the 3 or 4 years of playing this game must make me one of the more abusive and offensive players no doubt, the gall to bring up an issue like this is so foreign to the rest of you that you need to make personal attacks rather that just to address the issue I brought up, so online your stellar little people but here in the BBS you can let your hair down and let the real you shine !!!
Well, I don't know anything about what's right or wrong here, but it's totally inexcusable to type the amount of words above without the use of paragraphs....now I have a headache you ****.
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I got muted first time couple of days back by saying : " Golly-geeMIT what shot was that" when a NIKI shot me makign 9 gīs and climbing..
Then the hounds came... At channel 1 people started yelling : that for sure deserves to be muted... and w/o warning 10 minutes penalty..
Well what I wonder is that how in hell you cant stand normal language which didnīt involve body fluids, sexualism or other usually used vulgarities..???
Well, nowadays I just use Finnish to swear and I can lash my tongue as much as I want , and my pals have fun..
But still... Golly-geemit??? whats wrong about it..? I donīt go to the church, hope that pisses someone off too...
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Originally posted by Rude
Well, I don't know anything about what's right or wrong here, but it's totally inexcusable to type the amount of words above without the use of paragraphs....now I have a headache you ****.
[chant]
Tear down the WOT! Tear down the WOT!
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Really, thank god for wordwrap, but it's just not enough.
-Sik
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Who moderates the moderator?
The answer is quite simply put when you ask the question differently.
Who should never moderate the moderator?
Answer is "The players" or more correctly "those being moderated"
The moderator should never be placed in any position where his/her judgement is influenced by those he/she is moderating. Directly or indirectly. Hence anonimity.
Where is the line to be drawn?
Answer is "no where".
Draw a line and idiots will start to probe it, test it, abuse its loop holes and/or its ommissions.
Be sure that if someone wants to test the line they will cross it.
Its also quite clear that "context and intent" feature in any judgement call. Hence the same piece of text may be abusive/disruptive one week and less or more so the next.
AW moderators were trained and had to take a course in moderation. Their actions (beyond a certain point) were recorded and certain actions required additional authorities.
I think HTC's overhead in this respect will not be so heavy but I would expect the same golden rules to apply. I would expect a text log is run (during each moderator intervention) so that HTC can cross check the history........... however do not expect to ever see it............. it would be internal quality control only.
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Well for those who were on last night, some guy I never heard of before was a bit insulting to us "no life virtual reality players" while we have real people defending us in the armed forces.. Yes, I myself squelched him, but he was obvoiusly relentless in his attacks because of some of the replies I saw. Crzhrs actually DEFNEDED his right to an opinion noting that he to had freedoms.. and crzhrs got warned... Though this persons attacks on us were overboard, he never got muted at this time and crzhrs did????? Hmmmm... I have learned over time that there is a vast majority of us who are in fact VETS! (yes me included.. 6 yrs USN, Submarine service)... So this individuals "attacks struck a raw cord with quite a few people. I think Crzhrs point (which seems to be missed by most), is that the moderator did not agree with his position so told him to stop... I find this an amusing Gestapo like tactic in exercising the mods power...
Bottom line, the abusive individual was allowed to ramble on... Crzhrs asked mod a question, stated his opinion (WITH NO ABUSIVE LANGUAGE!) and got muted. That was totally uncalled for on the mods part... I was there.. I saw the text buffer... And I'm sure that HTC could verify this, however I doubt it will go any further than stopping this thread... and actually I'm not sure they should go any further. Let Crz vent.. he has just cause.. oh, and by the way.. I found out he too is a VET.
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Originally posted by Bulz
I found out he too is a VET.
Oh ****! that changes everything! forget what I said about the WOT!
-Sik
lol.
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CrzHrs: Funny you claim to want to hide behind the rules so you don't get muted, yet when a modirator explains the rules to you by simply warning you twice, you still ignore the rules. Only then do you get muted , warned again , and then muted again. Now explain to me how the rules are the problem? Seems to me some one ignoring the rules is the problem.
HiTech
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Hear Hear!!!
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In
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Lock it now Scuzzy! :aok
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Umm, what's a "WOT"? hehehe.. Relax junior..
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Boy this ones a snoozer - dont you guys have anything better to do at work lol.
hehehehe
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WORK!!! It a four letter word!! MUTE HIM!!! NOW!!! :lol
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Originally posted by Steve
I've been muted a handful of times... deserved every one. IMHO the moderators do a fair job; all the while, as far as I know, with no reward... and occasional abuse to boot.
I just don't understand why people care if they get muted. So ya lose 10 minutes of chat time... learn a lesson so you don't make the mistake again. I'm not saying moerators are infallible... what moderator in any game/sport is?
If getting muted burns you so badly... perhaps you should consider spending time in a chat room that sets no boundaries on language.
Sigh....
I guess hell just froze over...I'm agreeing with Steve:):)
CrzHrs....you got issues son:eek:
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CrzyHrse, don't you have the munchies by now...go check the fridge, and stay off the boards til ya come down.
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Originally posted by CrzHrs
You speak for all ehhh Grizz? Look the Moderator position needs defined so that they themselves arent allowed to abuse the position, but you cant tell what that is now can you! It seems that all of you are very ready to lay down and accept whatever is handed out just so you can play this game, I on the other hand am not afraid to air it out and get it laid out so that it can be applied fairly to all, in its current condition that cant happen, if your all to blinded to see that then you will richly deserve what you get. Moderators can and have abused their power and thats simply because its open ended.
No, but I think I can speak for the moderators. I have three years experience as one in another game, including being in charge of TOS enforcement. Many here have experience also and can vouch for what I say.
I'm sure the AH moderator positions are well defined with guidelines to operate under. But we wouldn't know about this because, quite frankly, it's none of our business. It's a matter of company policy between HTC and the moderators.
The TOS writeup doesn't include an itemized list of what you can or can't do for a reason. If the limits are clearly defined, it serves to be violated by those who choose to dance around in the gray area. When you cross the line, the moderator informs you. This is your TOS notification. If you choose to continue violating or confront the moderator, you will be muted, or if it's HiTech, bounced. If this happens it's your fault and you got what you bargained for.
Yes, the moderators will make mistakes and some misuse their authority (like if they are in a bad mood). Nobody's perfect. But when this happens, take it up with HTC instead of arguing in the arena or here.
You don't have to curse to get a warning. One of the worse things that happen to a moderator is having a player start arguing his call in the arena. Soon others join in and you will have the disruption you claim can't happen. At such times all players involved are apt to get warned or muted, even if what they said wasn't vulgar. The same applies for things such as political arguments.
So, that's the situation and you have no recorse but to comply or leave. And you will get little pitty from us, because the moderators are also serving us.
BTW, a big thank you and kudos to all moderators, whoever you are =o)
grizzly
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I think the thing that was bothering CrzHrs was the apparent lack of consistancy on the Moderators part.
As long as Moderators are human that is going to happen, there is no such thing as a 100% objective human.
If an occasional thread such as this makes the Moderators strive to be more consistant and objective, it's a positive thing.
shamus
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IMO- there really is no sense getting all caught up in the moderator issue. Very doubtful you will come up with anything to say or do, that will affect any change.
HTC has made their rules & regulations according to what they feel is best. I can't imagine how "ass" made the banned word filter, yet "p-u-s-s-y" is perfectly acceptable (in MA text but not here). ........ So with that logic in place, my choice is to squelch ch1, usually upon interance to MA.
If I feel the need to communicate on 1, I tune it in at that time & turn it off when done.
As long as moderator positions are filled by humans, mistakes will be made. OBVIOUSLY!
A_Clown
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Crz.. you call me simple... more irony!
You really should refrain from attacking the intellect of others while reflecting your own ignorance and stupidity. Ignorant because you're a poor speller. Stupid because only a stupid person would ignore repeated warnings about a specific behavior, suffer the consequences of ignoring the warnings, then whine about said consequences in the public forum.
Blahahaha!!!
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Originally posted by Bulz
Umm, what's a "WOT"? hehehe.. Relax junior..
Wall of Text. I'm nice and relaxed Grampa, don't worry yourself too much about that.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Bulz
Well for those who were on last night, some guy I never heard of before was a bit insulting to us "no life virtual reality players" while we have real people defending us in the armed forces.. Yes, I myself squelched him, but he was obvoiusly relentless in his attacks because of some of the replies I saw. Crzhrs actually DEFNEDED his right to an opinion noting that he to had freedoms.. and crzhrs got warned... Though this persons attacks on us were overboard, he never got muted at this time and crzhrs did????? Hmmmm... I have learned over time that there is a vast majority of us who are in fact VETS! (yes me included.. 6 yrs USN, Submarine service)... So this individuals "attacks struck a raw cord with quite a few people. I think Crzhrs point (which seems to be missed by most), is that the moderator did not agree with his position so told him to stop... I find this an amusing Gestapo like tactic in exercising the mods power...
Bottom line, the abusive individual was allowed to ramble on... Crzhrs asked mod a question, stated his opinion (WITH NO ABUSIVE LANGUAGE!) and got muted. That was totally uncalled for on the mods part... I was there.. I saw the text buffer... And I'm sure that HTC could verify this, however I doubt it will go any further than stopping this thread... and actually I'm not sure they should go any further. Let Crz vent.. he has just cause.. oh, and by the way.. I found out he too is a VET.
I tend to agree with Bulzeye here. If Crzhrs was muted then the individual who was instigating should have also been muted. This isnt the first time we have seen threads like this on the BBS. In fact, if I had been a moderator I would have booted the instigator last night, I found him very offensive.
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Originally posted by Grizzly
No, but I think I can speak for the moderators. I have three years experience as one in another game, including being in charge of TOS enforcement. Many here have experience also and can vouch for what I say.
Yes, I for one can vouch for Grizzly, as I too was a 'moderator' of sorts in AW, though we weren't called that. Unlike here, we were more of a 'visible presence' and made ourselves known when we were around. I have no idea what training HTC moderators receive, but if it is anything like the training I received in AW, it will be pretty thorough. I was not let loose in the arenas until my training was complete and I passed a final exam. Even then, every action we took had to be fully documented and explained and anyone found misusing their authority was out pronto. I imagine similar standards will be set here and have every confidence that they are. Moderators are absolutely necessary and do a great job. :)
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Originally posted by Elfie
I tend to agree with Bulzeye here. If Crzhrs was muted then the individual who was instigating should have also been muted. This isnt the first time we have seen threads like this on the BBS. In fact, if I had been a moderator I would have booted the instigator last night, I found him very offensive.
Hmm, might have some merit...EXCEPT for the fact that the player was warned TWICE to stop what he was doing. You get warned...stop. You feel you have been unjustly treated...take it up with HTC. Bottomline, if the cop says "stop doing that" and you continue, whining about getting a flashlight upside your head is just plain silly :).
BTW Crzyhrs...this is the LAST place you should take this if you are trying to affect change. By doing it here...you simply come off as a whiner.
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Originally posted by LLv34 Jarsci
I got muted first time couple of days back by saying : " Golly-geeMIT what shot was that" when a NIKI shot me makign 9 gīs and climbing..
Then the hounds came... At channel 1 people started yelling : that for sure deserves to be muted... and w/o warning 10 minutes penalty..
Well what I wonder is that how in hell you cant stand normal language which didnīt involve body fluids, sexualism or other usually used vulgarities..???
Well, nowadays I just use Finnish to swear and I can lash my tongue as much as I want , and my pals have fun..
But still... Golly-geemit??? whats wrong about it..? I donīt go to the church, hope that pisses someone off too...
Can you teach me some Finnish cuss words? The moderators seem to have started taking Spanish lessons lately
ack-ack
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I can't stand that moderation crap!! I'm totally against it! I should be able to drink as much as I want, or can afford!!
I remember once, at a strip bar, while two for one shooter night , me and...............
oh, your not talking about drinking then? Oh sorry, carry on, sorry.
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The Mods should not only mute for lang. but also your thoughts ... if you do something stupid and die then think about chan 1 ....BANG muted for 3 days no ifs or buts ( O crap gonna get a mute for that Butt ) :eek:
Hail to the mods and Crazychichen or whatever your name is SHUTUP :p
And BTW......IN!
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Can you teach me some Finnish cuss words? The moderators seem to have started taking Spanish lessons lately
ack-ack
You have to hear them before you know how they are pronounced..
Word PERKELE is pretty known, its quite good. Germans during WW2 got cautious every time when they heard that (meant usually couple of drunken finnish soldiers having fun from their point of view..)
SAATANA ==devil (also perkele is about the same..)
VITTU = P*ssy literally, used like F.*.C.K
MULKKU = pr!ck
JUMALAUTA = Golly-geemit
Theres plenty of more, but using these and adding something to them gives you plenty to write on channel one..
Hehe, I donīt mind getting banned.. :cool:
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Help Help, I'm being repressed!
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".. and Crazychichen or whatever your name is SHUTUP"
I agree with that sentiment 100%. But here I was thinking "CrzHrs" stood for Crackz Hores.