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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: MaddDog on November 26, 2003, 09:12:30 PM
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I know theres alota people that play AH that already are, have been, or are in the process of being fighter pilots. My question is exactly what does it take, im still a junior in high school and being a fighter pilot is what i would like to do, have wantd to for a long long time, how much math, science etc do you need, whats the process, anything you can tell me about becoming a fighter pilot, and the process involved, how tough is it though im not worried about that, mostly im worried if i can pass the core stuff like math, thats where i struggle but i know if i put time into i can learn anything, thanks to all who reply
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Talk to voss. Just avoid those scorpion bites, I hear those things can ruin careers.
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:rofl
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Talk to voss
Why would he do that? I assume you were making a joke, because that is what voss is.
Hint: He is full of **** and wasn't a fighter pilot, nor any of that other crap he said.
Eagl used to be on these boards, and he IS a fighter pilot, F15 driver, etc. But he is banned now, maybe you can find him on AGW.
dago
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Get real good grades
have 20/20 vision
Get a 4 year degree
Speak with you'r teachers and thell them what you are up to they can point you In the right direction.
Good luck.
I wanted to be a pilot to when I was young But I did not go to college and My eyesight was not perfect 20/20.
So I was a sniper in the Army LOL.
Go figure:aok
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It is a joke, obviously some people can't find the sarcasm behind things. :)
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vision i got, grades are eh eh, im in junior year though so hopfully i still got time to make a switch around, not that im not smart or anything just that homework stuff from all them different classes, man oh man do i hate homework secially when it has to do with stuff im not interested in at all, oh well though gotta do it, but them grades hopfully they look at more senior year and my SAT/Asvab test scores, lol Sniper is my 2end choice, i either wana be a Fighter Pilot or a Sniper:aok
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Originally posted by MaddDog
vision i got, grades are eh eh, im in junior year though so hopfully i still got time to make a switch around, not that im not smart or anything just that homework stuff from all them different classes, man oh man do i hate homework secially when it has to do with stuff im not interested in at all, oh well though gotta do it, anyways, lol Sniper is my 2end choice, i either wana be a Fighter Pilot or a Sniper:aok
As much as it sucks now, studying is the key. If you apply yourself and make the grades, you can be whatever you want. I realize that sounds cliche, but it's true.
You don't want to realize you have to spend the next 40 years doing something you don't enjoy all because you spent 4 years screwing off.
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Well If you go The Sniper route it IS very hard to get there.
Lots of competition In both th USMC scout sniper school and the US Army sniper school.
In The Army You Must be an enlisted man.
And In a combat arm MOS.
Vision Is very important.
Must be a none smoker not only cause the training is hard but a smokers cough can give you away.
And one thing I found out.
out side of the military law inforcment community you will have a hard time using you'r skills.
You really want a challenge?
Go to college then Med school then accept a commision in the Army and they will pay for everything.
I have a nefyew that did that He Is set fer life.
:aok
point Is use you'r mind not you'r body.
While Being a sniper Is rewarding in it's own way There are parts of the job that stick with you and haunt you.
Plust If you don't make It In Sniper school(only 200 a year do)
Then you'r stuck doing some grunt chit.
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i hear ya both, i know studying is the key, if i get good grades i can be anything, lots of hardwork to be a fighter pilot or sniper, im very competitive in the hobbies i do, i wana be the best at what i do, be number 1,
which is why i wana do something i love and enjoy doing, my vision is perfect, and i dont smoke,also ive talkd to alota people and i agree with you 100% being a sniper its hard to find jobs after your done being a sniper,
though if i enlist in the military i plan on staying for life until i have to retire, not really looking for a challenge, just something i love to do,
Pilot and Sniper are both of those, though im leaning towards Pilot, 1 thing i know i definetly dont wana get stuck with is the grunt chit, ive heard far to much about that.
Whatever i Choose im giving it my all ill tell you that much! Anyways thanks fellas
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Maddog,
Pilots are Officers. That means a 4 year degree in either the AF Academy or do it through ROTC at a university near you. LOTS of folks in AFROTC want to be a pilot and the competition is tough. Grades are very important and you NEED to apply yourself now and for the entire time you're in college. Figure on a technical field like aeronautical engineering for the best shot. If you're not math inclined then make sure you do well in the major you pick.
Think of it this way, whatever major you have should be salable in the outside world. If the pilot gig doesn't work for you then you STIL have the degree to do something else with.
In the Army you can be a helo pilot as a Warrant Officer (between Enlisted and Officer Ranks), they are specialists in their field for the Army.
Plan for as many contingencies as you can for your education. You likely won't have much oportunity to do it all over later.
Good luck
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Well, I'm in pilot training right now madddog, so I'll tell you how I got here and you can draw your own conclusions on what you need to do with your own life.
Step 1, if you're a junior in high school and haven't started seriously thinking about where you want to go to college, you're behind. And even though it's a painful four years, don't count out a service academy. The Air Force Academy gets as many pilot slots every year as all of ROTC combined, so almost everyone who is medically qualified at graduation gets a slot. No matter which route you take, you have to be an officer to fly a military jet, and that means you need a Bachelor's degree. Start looking at the application process, Academy or ROTC, ASAP. You might be surprised how much you have to get done. Waiting until senior year will be waiting until it's too late. SAT/ACT scores are a big factor, but not the only factor.
I hate to be the one to say it, but math is probably the most important subject for you to do well in. You can major in anything you want to, the military doesn't care what your degree is in. But if you want to fly, there is a lot of math involved in figuring out how long you can stay airborn, how much gas you have, where the center of gravity is on your plane, how it will change when you drop a load of bombs, etc.
What it boils down to, I guess, is that you're not going to be able to just walk into a pilot slot. There's always a line of guys waiting to get it, and you have to push yourself a little harder to stay near the top of a very long list. If you're willing to put in the effort though, the military will put the time and money into training you to do one of the coolest jobs in the world.
Now that the lecture is out of the way, here's how the pilot training process works. First, you get a Bachelor's degree and get commissioned. Then you'll go through Introductory Flight Training (IFT). IFT consists of getting your private pilot's license in a Cessna 172 or something similar. That's the screening program. From there you'll go to Undergraduate Pilot Training (UPT). By the time you start, I'm sure the T-37s will be all phased out, so you'll start flying in the new T-6 Texan II's. After about 6 months of training in the T-6, you'll want to get into the T-38 track. The T-1 track is for people going on to fly tanker/transport aircraft, the T-38s are for people going to fighters/bombers. You'll spend another six months in T-38s. At the end of that time, you'll graduate from UPT and get your wings. You'll also get your assignment for which plane you'll make a career of flying. Before you get there though, you'll go to Introduction to Fighter Fundamentals (IFF). I'm not sure how long IFF is, but I think it's only about 3 or 4 months. That's where you'll learn a lot of how we fly fighters in combat. After that, you're off to learn how to fly your F-15 or F-16 or whatever it is you want.
Of course, this is all based on you joining the Air Force. Obviously, there are some differences if you want to fly for the Navy or Marines. Sorry I can't tell you more about life in those branches, I only know the way I'm doing it.
This was a really long answer to say that you need to get started early and keep working hard all the way through, but there you have it. Best of luck, I look forward to serving with you some day.
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Please re think about wanting to be a sniper.
Besides the crap It does to you'r head you have to think of the stress It puts on you'r body as well.
I am only 46 YO.
And I have had sugeries on my right knee, left elbow,lumbar 5 sacral 1 and now rotator cuff on left shoulder.
All of this from crap I did In the Army.
I am old way before my time unable to work as a paramedic anymore and forced to open my own buisness.
thank God iI had the help of family to get me started.
Otherwise food stamps fer me.
Ps It will Screw with you'r head trust me.
You will have to pass a physc test to see If among other things If you can Kill another human being will looking at him!
It sounds easy It aint.
It Is very personal You Pick the time and place where that person dies.
In a sense you are playing God.
And you must live with that and alot of good snipers can't suicide rates are HIGH.
Like Apollo Creed said In Rocky Be a thinker not a stinker
:aok
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Originally posted by mrblack
I am only 46 YO.
And I have had sugeries on my right knee, left elbow,lumbar 5 sacral 1 and now rotator cuff on left shoulder.
All of this from crap I did In the Army.
I am old way before my time unable to work as a paramedic anymore and forced to open my own buisness.
thank God iI had the help of family to get me started.
Otherwise foodstamps fer me.
Like Apollo Creed said In Rocky Br a thinker not a stinker
:aok
LOL
You are "forced" to open your own buisness? LOL
And BTW, 46 is old
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Originally posted by NUKE
LOL
You are "forced" to open your own buisness? LOL
And BTW, 46 is old
LOL thx:(
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Thanks Mjolnir, thats exactly what i was lookin for, math isnt my strong point, but if i put time into it i can do it, guess i better start gettin my watermelon together now if i plan on going that way.
Thanks to you also Mr.black, yea sniper i dunno it all seems cool, the main reason im kinda rethinking sniper is the jobs, i dont wana serve, end my duty,and have no jobs waiting for me and be poor, the mind set, ive talkd to alota people about being a sniper, talkd to some former snipers...
they all said pretty much what you told me, seems fun when your thinking about it, turns out to be a personal job and one that you cant really use later in life, as for me i know i could kill someone if they were the enemy being as i know theres a good chance they will either kill me or take me prisoner of which neither sounds to fun, someones gotta die,
although i hope i never ever have to kill someone while i serve, thats why im really leaning towards pilot, ur up there 25,000ft at least you dont see the people before they die, also seems alot safer up there:D
btw im not some wierd little kid that thinks killing people is fun, and i dont wana serve in the military to kill people, just if someones an enemy of our country and im asked to fight and those people are gonna be hunting me too then i could live with myself, id just hope god forgave me.
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Originally posted by MaddDog
...yea sniper i dunno it all seems cool, the main reason im kinda rethinking sniper is the jobs, i dont wana serve, end my duty,and have no jobs waiting for me...
Whaddya mean no jobs? Check out the want ads in Soldier of Fortune, and read between the lines....
Lots of mercenary work available....
The CIA had an opening for an assassin. After all of the background checks, interviews, and testing were done there were three finalists — two men and one woman. For the final test, the CIA agents took one of the men to a large metal door and handed him a gun.
“We must know that you will follow your instructions, no matter what the circumstances. Inside this room you will find your wife sitting in a chair. You have to kill her.” The first man said.“You can’t be serious. I could never shoot my wife,”
The agent replies, “Then you’re not the right man for this job."
The second man was given the same instructions. He took the gun and went into the room. All was quiet for about five minutes. Then the agent came out with tears in his eyes. “I tried, but I can’t kill my wife.” The agent replies, “You don’t have what it takes. Take your wife and go home.”
Finally, it was the woman’s turn. Only she was told to kill her husband. She took the gun and went into the room. Shots were heard, one shot after another. They heard screaming, crashing, banging on the walls. After a few minutes, all was quiet. The door opened slowly and there stood the woman. She wiped the sweat from her brow and said, “You guys didn’t tell me the gun was loaded with blanks. So I had to beat him to death with the chair.”
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LMAO, thats some funny stuff, loaded with blanks, is that true? :rofl Whew, wonder what ur wife or husband would be thinkin about you after you shot at em even though it was blanks
ahh anyways i was thinkin last night, and i got 1 more question, i know you gotta have the 4 years of college etc, what im trying to decide is, should i go to college before i decide to enlist, and maybe get my private pilot liscense, would that give me a head start at all? Or should i just enlist and then go to college and training etc etc?
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Holden McGroin,
LOL!!!!! :rofl
MaddDog,
How tall are you? Too tall you probably won't find yourself in a fighter. High G maneuvers not forgiving to the tall folk (blood pressure to the brain and all that).
Good luck to you.
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Get good grades, fucus on math. Take some math for summer school to give you an academic advantage going into high school. Join ROTC program when you are in high school. Stay in ROTC when you get to college. Study Aero something or other. Finish College. Get your F-22.
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dont listen to adults who tell you you wont make it... and dont hang out with chiken s**ts.
:D
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Originally posted by MaddDog
ahh anyways i was thinkin last night, and i got 1 more question, i know you gotta have the 4 years of college etc, what im trying to decide is, should i go to college before i decide to enlist, and maybe get my private pilot liscense, would that give me a head start at all? Or should i just enlist and then go to college and training etc etc?
Well, if you have the cash to spend on getting your license, go for it. The more time you can get in the air, the better. It won't necessarily give you an advantage, but flying time is flying time, and there's no such thing as too much. If you don't get it ahead of time, the AF will pay for it, like I said. Personally, I can't see spending $5,000 on something I could get for free.
And just so you don't get confused: enlisting and being commissioned as an officer are two totally seperate things. You want to be thinking the officer route, if you want to fly, and that means an Academy or college with ROTC program.