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Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: Gixer on November 30, 2003, 03:54:55 AM: Given all the evidence and intelligence produced for Powel's speech. And the amount of time they've had to look for the stockpiles of WMD where are they?

...-Gixer
~Hells Angles~
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: Creamo on November 30, 2003, 04:03:24 AM: The secret grammar police have taken contol.

They study how words and their component parts combine to form sentences.
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: Arlo on November 30, 2003, 04:04:40 AM: I don't think New Zealand falls under the same conventions.
Title: Re: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: -tronski- on November 30, 2003, 04:43:16 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Gixer
Given all the evidence and intelligence produced for Powel's speech. And the amount of time they've had to look for the stockpiles of WMD where are they?

...-Gixer
~Hells Angles~

Geez,

why even bother asking the question anymore....

Tronsky
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: Hristo on November 30, 2003, 05:17:02 AM: Weapons of Mass Distraction, I guess ;).

Lately used by US to fool the world and make an aggression on an independent country.
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: Maniac on November 30, 2003, 10:10:17 AM: I sure bellybutton hell want the WMD to be found, it would make the Iraq war legit...

But if they are found during election time i dont know what to think...

Imagine if either Saddam nor the WMD´s are found the day that the Americans leave Iraq, i guess Saddam then would dig up the WMD´s and take back the power there.

This is if he even has to take back the power with force...
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: Martlet on November 30, 2003, 10:26:50 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Maniac
I sure bellybutton hell want the WMD to be found, it would make the Iraq war legit...

But if they are found during election time i dont know what to think...

Imagine if either Saddam nor the WMD´s are found the day that the Americans leave Iraq, i guess Saddam then would dig up the WMD´s and take back the power there.

This is if he even has to take back the power with force...

The war in Iraq was legit.
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: davidpt40 on November 30, 2003, 11:47:46 AM: There are no weapons of mass destruction. Even if Iraq did have WMD, whats the big deal? Every country should be allowed to defend itself.
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: AKIron on November 30, 2003, 11:59:26 AM: Quote
Originally posted by davidpt40
There are no weapons of mass destruction. Even if Iraq did have WMD, whats the big deal? Every country should be allowed to defend itself.

It's been mentioned so many times on this board that I'm sure it's pointless to mention once again but here goes anyhow; Iraq invaded Kuwait.... Never mind, just a waste of time.
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: Arlo on November 30, 2003, 12:02:18 PM: Quote
Originally posted by davidpt40
There are no weapons of mass destruction. Even if Iraq did have WMD, whats the big deal? Every country should be allowed to defend itself.

You really have no clue about fanatical terrorists and the regimes that support them, do you? ;)

On the flip-side of the "no big deal, everything's rosy if we let it alone" mistaken ideal is the "pandora's box was opened long ago and it's only a matter of time" pessimistic view. Both entail being passive but only one entails even being remotely in touch with reality. Neither should be the stance of a responsible world community.
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: Saurdaukar on November 30, 2003, 12:30:03 PM: Poorly disguised (and considered) troll.
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: straffo on November 30, 2003, 01:59:59 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Martlet
The war in Iraq was legit.

hmmm ... isn't legit related to legal ?

Remind me what law was applied ,please.
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: Martlet on November 30, 2003, 02:00:45 PM: Quote
Originally posted by straffo
hmmm ... isn't legit related to legal ?

Remind me what law was applied ,please.

Several UN resolutions.
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: AKIron on November 30, 2003, 02:06:57 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Martlet
Several UN resolutions.

Which the French obviously cared nothing about. What was that term Staffo? "dura lex sed lex"?
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: straffo on November 30, 2003, 02:08:11 PM: Pretty normal , you don't care either.
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: Pooh21 on November 30, 2003, 02:24:23 PM: So when buying wine what do you need to look for. When I drink wine I get this stuff has got a knight drawn medieval style on the front. Cool pic, tastes well like wine. What is so special about those $50 euro bottles anyway?
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: straffo on November 30, 2003, 02:35:42 PM: If you don't know ,just keep your 50€.

I think anyway that your knight wine should be good to remove plaque and tartar of you teeth.
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: Pooh21 on November 30, 2003, 02:39:58 PM: lol

Im taking this thread to cuba.
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: DmdBT on November 30, 2003, 03:52:20 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Martlet
Several UN resolutions.

Then why didn't the UN invade Iraq?
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: Martlet on November 30, 2003, 03:55:37 PM: Quote
Originally posted by DmdBT
Then why didn't the UN invade Iraq?

Good question. I wish I had the answer. They're a bunch of pansies, I guess.
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: Martlet on November 30, 2003, 04:29:41 PM: Quote
Originally posted by GScholz
Unless the war can be justified as self defense it is illegal, the UN must issue a madate for war. Any war waged by a member nation that is not UN mandated is by definition illegal. The US rationale for self defense was Iraqi WMD.

Boy are you completely wrong.
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: AKIron on November 30, 2003, 04:34:27 PM: The UN is not the ultimate law giving authority. It's not even relevant any longer so far as I'm concerned.
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: Holden McGroin on November 30, 2003, 04:36:10 PM: I am going to check back on this thread in a few days to see if anything new can be said on this subject.

I doubt it.
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: moose on November 30, 2003, 04:38:57 PM: AKIron i find it sad you say that considering the UN was a project the United States founded

Much like the league of nations(although we didnt endorse that one) Look what happened there?

Without some way for the countries of the world to control each other, war is inevitable.

Of course most of the people who are arguing this point will be too old in the case that war happens to fight, so it'll be on my generations shoulders as well as my kids as well. just like that wonderful 60b budget deficit

aint the future grand?
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: mrblack on November 30, 2003, 04:42:20 PM: Saurdaukar I got dizzy looking at your avatar and forgot what i was going to say.
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: NUKE on November 30, 2003, 04:42:42 PM: Quote
Originally posted by GScholz
Nope the UN is not much relevant anymore ... thanks to the US. I no longer trust anything the US says or signs because they have proven themselves untrustworthy ... I don't expect many other non-Americans to trust you either.

You signed the UN charter and you broke it. Wtg.

Just for giggles, what countries would you trust above the US?
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: straffo on November 30, 2003, 04:43:08 PM: Originally posted by straffo
I would have [fired an anti-aircraft missile at a civilian aircraft], with a large smille as you can guess.

Martlet ,you forgot this one :

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Originally posted by straffo
And I eat babies too !
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Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: Martlet on November 30, 2003, 04:52:29 PM: Quote
Originally posted by GScholz
nope.

yup
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: Saurdaukar on November 30, 2003, 05:27:37 PM: Quote
Originally posted by mrblack
Saurdaukar I got dizzy looking at your avatar and forgot what i was going to say.

[boobs]You were going to say that the UN is a paper tiger, I believe. [/boobs]

:D
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: mrblack on November 30, 2003, 05:34:34 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Saurdaukar
[boobs]You were going to say that the UN is a paper tiger, I believe. [/boobs]

:D

LOL yeah that was it:D
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: Vulcan on November 30, 2003, 06:36:23 PM: Quote
Originally posted by straffo
hmmm ... isn't legit related to legal ?

Remind me what law was applied ,please.

(http://www.greenpeaceusa.org/graphics/inside/time85.jpg)
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: Maniac on November 30, 2003, 08:02:50 PM: Quote
The UN is not the ultimate law giving authority. It's not even relevant any longer so far as I'm concerned.

Ditto this, i wish my country withdraw from the UN. The money could be used way better else where.
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: Martlet on November 30, 2003, 08:04:53 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Maniac
Ditto this, i wish my country withdraw from the UN. The money could be used way better else where.

yeah, you could supersize a number 4 with that kind of dough.
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: Saurdaukar on November 30, 2003, 08:13:38 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Martlet
yeah, you could supersize a number 4 with that kind of dough.

ROFL!
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: straffo on December 01, 2003, 01:38:24 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Vulcan

(http://www.greenpeaceusa.org/graphics/inside/time85.jpg)

Law was applied in ths case.
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: SLO on December 01, 2003, 07:34:13 AM: bah...whats done is done...we cannot go back and undue the past.....but we can make sure the future is a little more rosy.

now they have to get better intel....you need BETTER INTEL....get your spooks some good shoes and tell em to pound the pavement.....or you are just gonna keep getting more dead 19 year olds on the news.

and the UN is relevent...just cause I say so:aok
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: davidpt40 on December 01, 2003, 09:16:55 AM: Quote
It's been mentioned so many times on this board that I'm sure it's pointless to mention once again but here goes anyhow; Iraq invaded Kuwait.... Never mind, just a waste of time.

Theres two sides to every story Captain America. Its very rare that a country invades another country for no reason at all. Some people will even say the Kuwait invasion was justified.
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: AKIron on December 01, 2003, 09:21:20 AM: Quote
Originally posted by davidpt40
Theres two sides to every story Captain America. Its very rare that a country invades another country for no reason at all. Some people will even say the Kuwait invasion was justified.

Do I detect a reversal here? Are you suggesting that it was ok for a big bully like Iraq to invade it's much smaller peaceful neighbor to the south but not ok when an even bigger friend of the small peaceful neighbor says it's not gonna stand?

I wanna get this straight, are you saying this? I don't care what "some people" say. What are you saying? I really want to see where you stand.
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: gofaster on December 01, 2003, 09:37:34 AM: Quote
Originally posted by straffo
Law was applied in ths case.

Sounds like a miscarriage of justice to me. (http://archive.greenpeace.org/comms/rw/pkbomb.html)

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Following claims in the London Sunday Times that President Mitterrand had known of the bombing plan, and implicitly, therefore had authorised it, French Defence Minister Charles Hernu resigned and Admiral Pierre Lacoste, director of the DGSE, France's intelligence and covert action bureau, was sacked. Within days Prime Minister Fabius admitted French secret service agents had bombed the Rainbow Warrior under orders. It was, said New Zealand Prime Minister David Lange, nothing more than 'a sordid act of international state-backed terrorism'.

Charged with murder and arson, on 4 November Mafart and Prieur, just two of a much larger team of saboteurs, pleaded guilty in the High Court at Auckland to lesser charges of manslaughter and wilful damage and were each sentenced to ten years' jail. Their guilty plea ensured that the facts of the police investigation would never be made public. In June 1986, in a political deal presided over by the United Nations Secretary-General, Javier Perez de Cuellar, France agreed to pay compensation of NZ$13 million (US$6.5 million) to New Zealand and 'apologise', in return for which Mafart and Prieur would be detained at the French military base on Hao atoll for three years.

To cap it all, the two spies were both free by May 1988, after less than two years had elapsed, Mafart having been smuggled out.
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: AKIron on December 01, 2003, 09:43:43 AM: Sounds like state sponsored terrorism to me.
Title: Weapons Of Mass Distruction
Post by: straffo on December 01, 2003, 09:53:12 AM: Exact gofaster.

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Following concern about Major Mafart's health, a French medical team advised that he be evacuated to France for treatment on 10 December 1987. On 11 December France sought New Zealand's consent to this "urgent, health related transfer" but New Zealand's request that its own medical team should also examine Mafart before he was repatriated was denied when France refused to allow a New Zealand military aircraft carrying a doctor to land at Hao. On 14 December 1987 Mafart left Hao, without the consent of New Zealand. Following medical treatment in Paris, Mafart was permitted to remain in France. New Zealand doctors who examined Mafart after his return to Paris agreed that he could not have been satisfactorily examined in Hao

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Captain Prieur was repatriated in May 1988. On 3 May 1988 the French authorities notified New Zealand that she was expecting her first child and asked consent to her repatriation. New Zealand again requested that an independent medical examination be made. France acceded to this request and a New Zealand doctor was due to arrive in Hao on 6 May. On 5 May, however, the French authorities notified New Zealand that Captain Prieur's father was dying of cancer and that her immediate evacuation had thus become necessary. She was repatriated on 5 May 1988 without the consent of New Zealand and never returned to Hao.