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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: gofaster on December 01, 2003, 10:24:21 AM
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In a word - No. (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=718&e=9&u=/ap/20031201/ap_on_re_us/obit_ederle)
Let me know when Michael Irvin and Deon Sanders dedicate their lives to teaching deaf children to play football. :rolleyes:
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She's probably faster do to less drag. Men have a high drag coefficient :p
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Hmmm... you can point to people in the NFL that are just as dedicated to helping children. Look up a bio on Doug Flutie some day. Don't just pick the ****heals and condemn the whole sport... or all sports. The elite athletes that suffer personal tragedy seem to respond to it with the same dedication that made them such athletes in the first place.
to that woman for what she accomplished in her life and those she helped.
to you for trying to make some kind of "state of athletes" statement linking an article about her life and her death.
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I think that the impact of professional athletes as role models is overstated.
You can the ask the majority of successful athletes about their role models and most of them will either say it was their parents or their coaches that made the most profound effect upon their lives.
Certainly, there are some incredibly talented athletes with work ethics to match, but by and large this work ethic is no different than the one possessed by your own parents who very quietly with no fan fare and no endorsement contracts managed to put food in your mouth and clothes on your back.
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Originally posted by Mini D
to you for trying to make some kind of "state of athletes" statement linking an article about her life and her death.
Flutie was motivated because his son suffered the same condition as his charity. Same goes for Dan Marino's work. Not to discount their charitable contributions, but would they have gotten as involved if a family member hadn't suffered from it?
Let's face it, she was an amazing woman, an amazing athlete, and an amazing human being. She took a fairly non-descript sport and turned it into name recognition and made a good living at it. When she was done she stayed active in the sport and helped others enjoy doing it.
32 NFL teams at 55 players per team.
I'd say there's probably 10 to 12 high-visibility players on each team. Why does it seem that only 1 or 2 on each team is involved in the United Way or some other charity?
To be fair, there are some guys that go the extra mile - Warrick Dunn's "Home For The Holidays" comes to mind (he helps low-income families buy their own home).
At least Boomer calls it out. (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=678&e=12&u=/usatoday/12044793)
Esiason said Thursday that the Taylor interview was the "most disturbing, disgraceful thing I have ever heard" and opined that Taylor "should be in the hall of shame," not the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Sunday, Esiason said Taylor would have flunked today's NFL drug tests and added, "This is not the NFL that I played in."
That set off Sanders, who claimed he was "on the podium with two guys (Esiason and Marino) who are naive and don't understand. ... Don't tell me you don't know what's going on in the NFL," he barked.
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And she was deaf gofaster.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
And she was deaf gofaster.
MiniD
Correction - she went deaf, aggravated by her swimming. I think her knowledge of sign and her notoriety as a swimmer made her uniquely qualified to teach deaf kids to swim.
Lou Ferigno once quipped that, had he not lost his hearing, he wouldn't have been as motivated to succeed as he was. He wanted to be better than the other "average" kids. He speaks at universities and schools for the hearing impaired.
Then again, I can't think of any deaf NFL players.
There are several schools for the deaf that all have football programs. The one in Alabama (http://www.geocities.com/jon6alan7/ASDNationalchamp2000.html)won the national championship games in 2001 and 2002.
Maybe Dexter Manley and LT could do charity work with crack babies.
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Gofaster, you champion someone who helped deaf kids learn to swim after she "went" deaf. And you dismiss someone else who's helping children because something happened to them.
Really dude... quit trying to hate the modern athlete so much. It's making you look silly.
MiniD
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BTW... I'm not trying to take away her "extraordinary" status. I'm just not a big fan of you trying to say it shold be the norm. It was remarkable then and it is remarkable now. To use it as a slam against modern athletes ignores the fact that some athletes in the past have been every bit as much of **** as some modern day athletes and that there are truly extroardanary athletes from all eras.
MiniD
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Game set match to Mini on this one.
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Nah, what I'm saying is, look, here's a lady who took an obscure sport, did something remarkable with it, made a living at it, helped charity with it, and was a great human being.
Now, look at today's athletes who get fame because of the sport they're in. How many of those athletes can say that they can measure up to her humanity? You pointed out Flutie, I pointed out Marino and Dunn, and Boomer made his comments on tv. Heck, I even threw in Lou Ferrigno as an example.
What I'm saying is, is there any modern athlete who has accomplished what she did? I can only name one: Lance Armstrong (who, in addition to his cancer charity work, is active in promoting a local race run by a charity in Texas encouraging teens to get into triathlons instead of Nintendo).
Let's face it, more guys are making more money in football, baseball, basketball, and hockey than there are guys making money at swimming, cycling, running, and triathlon. To garner fame in a non-mainstream sport is remarkable. To dedicate your time to charity work is icing on the cake.
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I know what you're saying gofaster... and it's a load of ****.
You're taking one example and applying it to everyone in the form of a scathing indictment of modern day athletes. You have no idea what the "obscure" athletes are doing... nor really any idea what the famous ones are doing. You simply chose to believe that one encompasses all that is right while the others embody all that is wrong. There's some at the extremes from all eras... but even more that fit into neither extreme.
There's no need to issue indictments on all athlete's behavior. They are every bit the individuals that everyone else is.
MiniD
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When did I say all football players are bad?
When did I say all swimmers are good?
All I said was, let me know when Deion Sanders and Michael Irvin become charitable individuals. We see their faces every weekend.
For every Romo, there's a Van Dyken (http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/sports/other_sports/7360379.htm).
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Oh, as for not knowing what obscure athletes are doing, I think you used circular logic. If we knew what they were doing, they wouldn't be obscure.
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It's who you use to define the sport gofaster. You compare that lady to Irving and Sanders. Why? You compare the best from one era to the worst from another. Why?
Don't tell me you aren't stereotyping in an attempt to indict all modern athletes. It's painfully obvious to everyone but you.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
It's who you use to define the sport gofaster. You compare that lady to Irving and Sanders. Why? You compare the best from one era to the worst from another. Why?
Don't tell me you aren't stereotyping in an attempt to indict all modern athletes. It's painfully obvious to everyone but you.
MiniD
I'm not stereotyping anybody. I'm saying, with the attention that's brought upon so many athletes these days, particularly with the infusion of television money and the growth of sport as entertainment, you would think that there would be more modern athletes that could accomplish for their sport what she did. But then again, if there were, then it would've diminished her achievements, I suppose.
I compare her to Irving and Sanders because they're on television every weekend, along with Boomer and Marino and Bradshaw and Howie (Bradshaw and Howie are active in
charitable causes (http://www.uso.org/pubs/8_29_2898.cfm), by the way).
If I were out to indict all modern-day athletes, would I be linking to news stories about their work? No, because that wasn't my point.
I think you're looking for an argument where there isn't one.
to you for trying to make some kind of "state of athletes" statement linking an article about her life and her death.
What's wrong with showing her achievements by comparing her to two well-known sports entertainers?
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There all over paid cry babies.
They would not know what to do If they had to WORK for a living.
So I would hope they "give" some of there time.
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No gofaster... I think you're glossing over things now and pretending you didn't really mean anything by it.
The lady was exceptional. The article says it, her life says it, the fact that there aren't really many more like her says it. I'm sure she'd feel honored that you are using her life and accomplishments as an indictment of the do nothingness prevelant in sports today. I know that's why she did it... to prove a point.
You took a good story about a good lady and used it for what?
You poor misguided soul.
MiniD
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Have met Deon Suanders and believe It or not He aint a bad guy in person.
But On TV he does come across as a D ick.
Used to bounce at a club where Randy White would come in after home games and get a beer.
I aint a big Football fan But Randy White was th MANSTER!!
He was down home and very cool.
I think you get them away from the public persona and most are pretty nice.
FWY Rany Whites highest salery was $475.000 a year.
And that was for an all pro pro bowl player.
He earned that But some of these multi million dollar contracts are a joke.
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Originally posted by Mini D
You took a good story about a good lady and used it for what?
To snipe at two overpaid showboaters, of course.
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Just so you're admitting it was out of resentment and petty jealousy.
MiniD
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Nope. I'm saying here's a woman with higher morals who achieved great things in the field of athletics, and here are two clowns in suits getting more air time than they deserve.
Moral code and ethics is what its all about.
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I'm sorry, but are you trying to say that only people who are righteous and upstanding should be in front of the camera? Good deeds should get you on T.V. with big contracts?
That's even sillier gofaster.
MiniD
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Nope, I'm saying here's a woman who did great things, and here's two clowns getting more airtime than they deserve.
Ok, pop quiz, think she'll make a page in Sports Illustrated this week, or just a sidebar, if at all?
I guess you're right, MiniD. There's no room for morality in sports. All that matters is the flash, not the substance.
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There's more than 2 clowns making more than her gofaster... getting more recognition than her.
Once again... why did you chose those two as the "objects" to define... um... what is the thread title... "Today's athletes"?
I know what you're trying to say now that you realize what you said in the initial post was pretty damn stupid. The sad thing is... your "ammendment" is equally as stupid. I guess if you throw enough stupidity into the argument, you might be able to dilute it enough that nobody notices.
Now you're simply trying to excuse silliness by attempting to apeal to everyone's sense of "fairness". Sorry... not buying that either.
MiniD
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Here, let me quote my initial post because I think you've forgotten what I said:
In a word - No.
Let me know when Michael Irvin and Deon Sanders dedicate their lives to teaching deaf children to play football.
Irvin and Sanders can't measure up to this lady. Yet, everybody knows who they are and can see them every week during football season. Thankfully, once the season is over, they're gone until August.
How much simpler can I make it?
I think broadcasting would've done a better job hiring somebody who wasn't arrested on drug charges (http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/2001/0618/1215598.html).
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Originally posted by Mini D
to you for trying to make some kind of "state of athletes" statement linking an article about her life and her death.
As I keep going back to your posts, I keep seeing trolls to feed an argument that has no merit. Good job - you hooked me.