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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Virage on December 02, 2003, 03:40:18 PM
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And make all objects indestructable.
possibly: two teams, adjust map to include only a few furball options instead of the dozen or so zones currently used. Keep a few areas for one-on-one duels.
I think this change would help create 2 healthy/populated arenas in AH.
AH will attract new players and help retention. Players can find the gameplay in either arena that suits their taste or whim.
May help smooth Community infighting.
The DA is under utilised now.. why not tweak it?
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I'd like to see a furball arena just for the simple reason it would be a great place to practice gunnery and how to fly and shoot while looking backwards :) But I don't see how reducing numbers in the MA would help anyone.
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
But I don't see how reducing numbers in the MA would help anyone.
The popularity of one arena does not equate to the unpopularity of another.
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PUNT..
Throw the dog a bone.
The furball area within the DA is the right idea, (3 bases over the lake) only the bases are too far apart.
It might be the easiest fix to this ballooning problem.
I love the irony of certain players getting a map designed for them yet the howling is louder than ever.
Really... how often is FT shut down? 1% of the time? If that I bet. I haven't played in a while, but I doubt things have changed too much in the time I have been gone.
Obviously some members of this community revel in creating an 'us vs. them' atmosphere.
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in :D
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I foresee a locked thread IN this ones future
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Besides the fact that HiTech has said numerous times that he will not do this. He has stated good reasons for his opinion.
Gathering a bunch of people and saying "Let's go to the DA and furball" is one thing but it lack many aspects of the MA that make a furball what it is.
What the DA lacks, and any Furball arena will also lack is the aspect of the unknown. It the SA of the MA, the wild card bogey entering the fight that makes a furball in the MA so exciting and so challenging. Keeping you head on a swivel to watch for that high P51 about to dive on your six as you line up a shot. It's also the aspect of the unknown pilot. Mixing it up with a bandit and killing him and finding out you just killed one of the better pilots is a rush. Even if you get shot down and finding out you held your own with a guy like Nomak or Levi is also quite a rush. The MA is where we all meet to play this game.
PLUS:
It's been tried before and it didn't work. A fighter arena setup was tried in the CT and while the first few days were cool it died off after that and no one was there.
Bottom Line:
In this whole debate the fighter pilots (furballer) have only asked for one thing. A little common courtesy. The Land-grabbers have responded with no courtesy at all. And that's a fact!
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I admit the idea has merit.
And along the same lines HTC could rename the OFFLINE button on the welcome screen to "Shed Battling Arena."
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
What the DA lacks, and any Furball arena will also lack is the aspect of the unknown.
Bottom Line:
In this whole debate the fighter pilots (furballer) have only asked for one thing. A little common courtesy. The Land-grabbers have responded with no courtesy at all. And that's a fact!
And they, in effect, beat the furballers and half the threads have been devoted to that fact ever since. The furballers could not hold the base.
I flew there for awhile. It was like flying into any other Horde. Then I got bored and went back to base defense.
Land grabbers have no courtesy....been reading the boards lately? It appears courtesy is not overly abundant here for either of the two groups why would you expect any different in the MA?
Do people show me the courtsey not to bomb the VH? No. Do they show me the courtesy of not carpet bombing my Osti with low level Lancs? No.
But bomb a furballers pet base and the boards light up with the name calling and cries that the furballers get shown no courtesy. And get responded to in kind ad infinitum.
Maybe if you had some of the "LandGrabbers" helping defend your base you may have kept it. Of course you know that somebody will attempt to take it again. Be ready.
And no, I won't be there, I wasn't the last time. And I don't do bombers, too boring. And after reading the boards since, I also won't go there in my Osti again either.
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Just my opinion but I think the DA serves its purpose perfectly. No need to try to change it into something else.
For me the soulition is and always has been FesterMA. It is so well laid out that both camps have plenty of action. A couple more Fester maps and all will be well.
Dave
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I 2nd Nomak's statement.
Also I'd add that moving the furball fields by the lake closer would be nice. I've always thought it'd be usable if they were closer.
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i dont understand how its too much to ask to just make those bases uncapturable. Someone please give me a good reason why. I want to hear why its so important for somebody to take one of the FT bases. The "war" can still be fought and won without the FT bases. The people who are at those bases want Fighter vs Fighter battles. The only reason to capture or pork one of those bases is to make people angry.
Also, a dedicated furball arena would fail miserably. No one would fly in it. There isnt a large enough player base to support more than one arena at a time unless there is a special event going on. I would love to see it happen, and thrive. I just don't see it working.
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For all the old AW players, many of them are watching history repeat it's seft again. In the days of AW on AOL/Gamestorm it to had a "Fightertown" on the Big Pac map. It never work well....
Things started out OK... We all followed rules. Mudmovers was not to attack FT. Furballers were not to attack bases or AC outside of the FT zone.
The only thing was... it never worked. AC from Fightertown would attack buffs going pass FT to their targets.... The Mudmovers from all sides would bomb FT into the stoneage. And for days on end, the AW forums would look just like what we are seeing here in AH.
In the end the fix for the AW "Fightertown" was it was removed from the MA maps and it became The "Fightertown Arena".
CAVALRY
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Change name of Dueling Arena to Furball Arena
That would be like calling masturbation, sex.
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its not? dang
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Have you ever noticed that on any map the action is mainly between the two closest bases?
When one of those is taken, the action moves to the next opposing pair that is the shortest distance apart. Nobody wants to make the flight to the fight any longer than it has to be.
The solution on all the maps is what Laz pointed out a long time ago. Move all the bases closer together. Make it so all the bases are less than a sector apart. Reduce the percentage of pure vehicle fields. Every airfield has a VH, so you aren't reducing the availability of vehicles in the least.
Do that and you have more fights in more places. I think this will make everyone happy.
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Nobody wants to make the flight to the fight any longer than it has to be.
This is true... makes me think, how many are going to fly TOD after "new" is off of it...
CAVALRY
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Originally posted by BigR
i dont understand how its too much to ask to just make those bases uncapturable. Someone please give me a good reason why. I want to hear why its so important for somebody to take one of the FT bases. The "war" can still be fought and won without the FT bases. The people who are at those bases want Fighter vs Fighter battles. The only reason to capture or pork one of those bases is to make people angry.
Also, a dedicated furball arena would fail miserably. No one would fly in it. There isnt a large enough player base to support more than one arena at a time unless there is a special event going on. I would love to see it happen, and thrive. I just don't see it working.
Translation:
There aren't enough furballers to support a furball arena. It didn't work when it was tried in the CT, and FT was so polluted by "impure" types that it was another failure. Face it, there weren't any furballs in FT--just a bunch of vulchers, cherry pickers, and alt monkeys.
Not that there's anything wrong with that. Really. That's how many play the game. Just a few more obstacles and challenges in my way on the trip to capture your field.
mwaaahaaahaaahaaa. ha.
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Originally posted by Toad
Have you ever noticed that on any map the action is mainly between the two closest bases?
When one of those is taken, the action moves to the next opposing pair that is the shortest distance apart. Nobody wants to make the flight to the fight any longer than it has to be.
The solution on all the maps is what Laz pointed out a long time ago. Move all the bases closer together. Make it so all the bases are less than a sector apart. Reduce the percentage of pure vehicle fields. Every airfield has a VH, so you aren't reducing the availability of vehicles in the least.
Do that and you have more fights in more places. I think this will make everyone happy.
Well, you need to understand that you don't understand what "nobody" means, or "everybody".
Nobody means not one person. Everybody means all persons. Obviously, your definition is different. Your "everybody" means "those that agree with you".
I, for example, often launch my missions from bases a bit further away than the shortest distance to the target, to get altitude, or climb over mountains, or get the flights organized.
Let's oversimplify your approach to the game:
1. Bases should be really close together.
2. Fighting should not be interrupted by bombing, vulching, gving, base capturing, or other attack stuff.
3. People can do the above attack stuff, but do it "somewhere else".
4. Furballers need non-furballers, as they make juicy targets and add to the furballer's k-d ratio. Non-furballers should carry ord (in order to be a more stable target platform) but they should NOT do any attack stuff near furballers, though.
5. Furballing has something to do with autoeroticism--I got that from lassie's post.
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Originally posted by rshubert
Translation:
There aren't enough furballers to support a furball arena. It didn't work when it was tried in the CT, and FT was so polluted by "impure" types that it was another failure. Face it, there weren't any furballs in FT--just a bunch of vulchers, cherry pickers, and alt monkeys.
Not that there's anything wrong with that. Really. That's how many play the game. Just a few more obstacles and challenges in my way on the trip to capture your field.
mwaaahaaahaaahaaa. ha.
Everytime you post something the same thought pops into my brain.
I think about all the toolshed heros that have put the strat thing aside to come to the DA with me and do some real combat training. Its tough to get the PWNers of cartoon shacks to the DA however once I do the result is always the same. Shall I tell you what happens to them after they do? Ok.....
They stop being -shedders and start being -ballers. No I didnt stutter....It is absolutely Automatic. Most convert after the first hour in the DA. Some hold outs last longer but they all come around eventually.
Once people actually learn how to fight...... thats all they want to do. Fight.
Imagine it..... an air combat sim that is actually full of air combat. Breath the free air my friend. Only one thing can set you free. Resistance is futile.
Dave
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!!!!JAAAaaaa M@k3 TeH FurBA1L Ar3nA G3t PWnd By !!!RIGHTS 2 QUAH!!!
!!!JOoo D1rtY FUn N@z1 N0oB B@sT@g3s!!!
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I wouldnt worry about losing a few guys from the MA...as far as thats concerned, they really arent there now. The reason it may not work is because of the way furballers think. A DA/FT environment, isolated from the MA, would start out big. Then after the best guys did all the killing, the guys who thought they were good would get sick of dying. They'd go back to the MA where they have a chance to kill a guy worse than them.
The remaining guys left in the DA/FT would soon tire of being so good, but not having an audience to see the kills they landed. They too would return to the MA and pursue what they require to stay interested. Its human nature, folks want a reward for a job well done. The reward here is recognition.
Now we have the revamped the DA into an FT, and still have few people in there. The furballers all return to the MA and the debate continues. The only way to stop it would be for the rest of the players to simple come on and be fodder for the furballers and stay quiet. Dont bomb anything...just be the targets they want and enjoy the tower screen.
No that cant be the answer...how about just ignore people who tell you how to play. The only thing I agree with, is to leave the Donut FT and TT on maps alone. There is no need to grief them. Any other base is fair game. No matter how much fun the furball is.
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You ignore the obvious. The fights always occur where the bases are closest. You don't see the big conga line between bases that are a sector and a half apart if there are two other bases that are closer than that available for conflict.
You yourself may launch from a base futher back but the conga line is always between the two closeest bases.
1. Bases should be really close together.
Obviously. The majority of action is always found between the two closest bases of any two opposing countries.
2. Fighting should not be interrupted by bombing, vulching, gving, base capturing, or other attack stuff.
I never said that but feel free to build a strawman argument. It's what you do best.
3. People can do the above attack stuff, but do it "somewhere else".
I never said that either but feel free to build a strawman argument. It's what you do best.
4. Furballers need non-furballers, as they make juicy targets and add to the furballer's k-d ratio. Non-furballers should carry ord (in order to be a more stable target platform) but they should NOT do any attack stuff near furballers, though.
Totally incorrect; FT is the obvious proof. The Furballers are quite happy to play in their own sandbox on the donut map and let the grand war to capture towns and win oh-so-valuable-perk points go on unnoticed on the rest of the map.
It was the Toolhshed heroes that couldn't restrain themselves from injecting themselves into FT. It was perfectly clear which bunch felt attention starved
5. Furballing has something to do with autoeroticism--I got that from lassie's post.
Which simply shows you don't understand the argument in the least.
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Originally posted by Westy
And along the same lines HTC could rename the OFFLINE button on the welcome screen to "Shed Battling Arena."
I just wanted to make this stand out.
:aok
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Blah bu blah bu blah bu blah whimper sniff.
boo hoo!
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maw maw! make them stop!
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by TW9
!!!!JAAAaaaa M@k3 TeH FurBA1L Ar3nA G3t PWnd By !!!RIGHTS 2 QUAH!!!
!!!JOoo D1rtY FUn N@z1 N0oB B@sT@g3s!!!
Dude, your keyboard is seriously messed up.
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Originally posted by Toad
(blah, blah blah...) Which simply shows you don't understand the argument in the least.
I have never run into such a bunch of determinedly single-minded, self-aggrandizing, pompous bunch of people in my life as you furball fanatics. What, pray tell, makes you clowns so sure of your own superiority? It can't be intelligence.
Carly Simon probably said it best:
"You're so vain, you probably think this song is about YOU."
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I had you pegged as a carly simon fan.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by CAV
This is true... makes me think, how many are going to fly TOD after "new" is off of it...
CAVALRY
I wouldnt be surprised if HT has air spawns.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I had you pegged as a carly simon fan.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Gentlemen step aside...... The professional iz in teh Hizzouse!
PWN!
:lol
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Originally posted by rshubert
What, pray tell, makes you clowns so sure of your own superiority?
Further proof, totally unnecessary, that you don't understand the argument in the least.
It isn't about superiority in the least. It's about fun. It's about "you play your way and I'll play my way and we'll both have fun."
It's about the clear evidence from the FT example that the Toolshedders are the ones that "force people to play my way".
When you run out of strawmen... and that's not much to begin with.... you really show how intellectually bankrupt you really are. I'd say your vault's been empty a long time.
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Originally posted by rshubert
What, pray tell, makes you clowns so sure of your own superiority? It can't be intelligence.
Originally posted by Toad
I'd say your vault's been empty a long time.
!!!!!!!JAAAAAAAAAAaa TEh V@uLt5 B33n 3mPty J000Oooo HyP0CrYt3!!!!!
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Originally posted by rshubert
Translation:
There aren't enough furballers to support a furball arena. It didn't work when it was tried in the CT, and FT was so polluted by "impure" types that it was another failure. Face it, there weren't any furballs in FT--just a bunch of vulchers, cherry pickers, and alt monkeys.
Translation: I don't have more than 2 working braincells on a good day ie: I am a bop. It didn't work in the CT due to the setup and field proximity's. Yes, FT was polluted by our types (bops, etc...) but was mostly fun for all nevertheless. Great furballs there and I'm sure alot of you who like to fight love the map.
Originally posted by rshubert
I, for example, often launch my missions from bases a bit further away than the shortest distance to the target, to get altitude, or climb over mountains, or get the flights organized.
Translation: I am a bop. We are cherrypickers who have to fly high in Lalas, gang up, pork a base and setup vulches to get any kills (and rarely have the sense to actually take a base even with a horde of Lalas).
BIG YAWN.