Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Waffle on December 04, 2003, 03:09:25 PM
-
"One of the issues I would like to discuss with people here someday is nutrition.
It is amasing how bad the situation is in america and how people do not realise the extent of the problem and the trends in effect"
Miko posted this in another post, and I'm bringing this discussion to it's own thread.
I travel alot in the entertainment business, and have noticed over the last few years, that girls are getting chunkier at the college age level. I know about the "freshman 30" but it looks more like the "freshman 60" Sorry, but haven't looked at any guys, so you'll have to ask BgbMaw about that. :lol
I was just wondering what thoughts you folks had about it and what age group you're from. I imagine the 30 something crowd and over might notice a weight gain in the overall population, but do the college age and younger people see it?
I guess the sediatry lifestytle with the excess of fast food and over portion meals is fiding its way in to the arse-end of america.
Kids get sat in front of a playstaion or a TV as a babysitter - that doesnt exactly promote physical exercise. I guess nintendo was out how many years ago? 10 or so? more than that? Are the kids in the 18-21 age bracket now - did they start out at 3-4 years old on video games? That could be a factor in it the "growing" population.
Don't get me wrong- most of us are just as guilty, except instead of playing Nintendo and eating cookies - we're at the PC working. (I hope, some of us just play games and drink
beer):D
Anyway, Bring back the Waifs - and a little good exercise.:eek:
-
I will post a more substantially on the subject, but it is not the "fast" food or "fatty" food but unnatural, artificially produced "food" that is the root of the problems.
Forget girls getting chunkier. How about significant fraction of girls reaching sexual matirity by 7-8 years of age?
The dramatic increase in mental disorders among boys? The prevalence in allergies an asthma? Fertility problems in men and women.
This whole thing is really scary.
miko
-
nope - just worried about the junk in the trunk..... :)
-
Not to mention the expected lifespan increasing... oops, nevermind.
-
I'm sorry, I was in the bathroom, has the sky fallen yet?
-
Mandatory Military service will get the fat off there arse:aok
-
Originally posted by miko2d
I will post a more substantially on the subject, but it is not the "fast" food or "fatty" food but unnatural, artificially produced "food" that is the root of the problems.
Forget girls getting chunkier. How about significant fraction of girls reaching sexual matirity by 7-8 years of age?
The dramatic increase in mental disorders among boys? The prevalence in allergies an asthma? Fertility problems in men and women.
This whole thing is really scary.
miko
You imply that unnatural foods are causing all ^ of the above? Now, I am not qualified to accuse any one cause, but I think it's safe to say there are many factors outside of 'unnatural foods' (if they even have an effect).
Increased mental disorders among boys? I think the answer can be found in a broader spectrum (including food) of social problems. Doctors throwing pills and medications to anyone with a minor problem is a problem. Kids with ADD taking medication to slow them down or kids with dislexia being prescribed aderol is not the answer. Some kid has a problem, cannot discover a path to deal with it, and mom/dad/doctor says he has XXX Disorder or some nifty sounding name... and promptly throws pills at him/her. Thats just my minor rant and is of course not a 'main contributor' to any specific subject.
Anyway, back to the subject.
Video games and nintendo. Yes, I was three or four when my family first bought a Nintendo. Before that, we had Intellivision and Atari. I was active in many youth sports and other youth rucus. Plenty of time off the couch... and still had time to sit in front of the tube with a controller in my hand. That was normal back in the 80s/early 90s.
The social scene was also changing from the 80s/90s. From the 80s mantra of "jocks r00l and n3rdz drool" had changed. Almost everybody wanted to be cool, like Arthur Fonzerelli cool... or captain of the football team cool. That wore itself out and evolved as the 90s crept in. No longer was the high school football captain and QB "THE Guy." I think music had a large impact. The Grunge movement in the early 90s (Nirvana, Sound Garden, etc) changed the mindset of students. No more putting on a front and caring too much about physical apperance played a part for white/suburban kids (just look at the change in clothing styles). How this affects eating habits, I can't tie in just yet.
Also, the rap genre began to come into full swing (heh, Run DMC, even the fresh prince) and changed black youth outlook and mindset. Rap/rock/whatever is not specific to any one group. I'm not trying to generalize or stereotype; just offering a point of reference.... music had a large impact on the midnset of a majority of youths.
The early 90s "MTV era" was pretty good imo. MTV started to suck when they decided to can Beavis and Butthead and the 'Real World' season got into its 2nd or 3rd.
Also, around this time (mid 90s) the PC movement began to come into play. I still remember keeping track of the terminology for disabled or mentally challenged or [insert PC word for retarded persons here] and how it changed over the years. Retard > Disabled > Mentally Challenged > Alternatively Advantaged (!?). Many of you agree PCness has become silly. Everyone seems to be "concerned" with the "emotional well being of others." Blah
OK - So , anyway we're seeing a social change among youths. Technology is ever increasing... from 8bit Nintendo (ok, atari systems too) all the way XBox and kick bellybutton blazing computers. I'm sure we all remember Doom and Mortal Kombat. Remember how much of an uproar these two caused? Violence like that today is relatively childsplay so to speak. Now, I am in no way linking video game violence with the "numb" mindset when it comes to violence presently. An almost infinite number of factors can be to blame.
Lastly: Going off of the "increasing number of youths with mental disorders" statement, I will agree to a certain extent. In my opinion, the femininization of the male can seen as a cause. Keep in mind I am not blaming any person, organisation, or anything yet. Look at American society in the 50s compared to the 90s/today. We see, in some instances, a role reversal. In one particular household, the man could be caring for the kids, cooking & cleaning, while the wife is away at work. In another case, we could observe two male or two females as the parents. Doubt you'd see that in 1950s suburbia... .00001% of the time perhaps. Households today are very very diverse and I dont think a single majority of family arrangements can be used to argue with. Hell, some households cannot be considered a 'family unit.'
The balancing of the patriarchal/matriarchal "rule" in a household certainly reflects on the children. And that is multiplied as the children have children of their own. Not many Dictators in home anymore... its a democracy (or ****ed up homes may have anarchy =] ).
I personally see no harm in a 50/50 balance between the genders. No sense in making unwritten rules for who can and cant wear the pants in the family. It's outdated and has evolved over the last 50 years. I feel society is constantly seeking equilibrium... dont fight it; you'll need a ****load more energy putting it back in "order." Society has entropy.
Now, for the boys that have mental disorders... sure, it could be the food, it could be them living under high voltage power lines too, and it could also be the normal flow and change of society that has happened since cavemen sat around campfires.
please excuse my wall of text. If you can find one clear point and argument in there, let me know. ^ Just a bunch of ramblings and $ .02
-
What we need is a human-grade "dogfood". Think how much time, money and effort would be saved! No more grocery stores, restraunts or kitchens, just a bag in the corner with a scoop!
It fulfills the nutritional requirements of dogs quite good, why not us?
-
Dogfood already is pretty damn nutritional for dog as it is :)
mm-mmm good!
-
midnight Target: Not to mention the expected lifespan increasing... oops, nevermind.
It is an incredibly stupid statement when worded that way - "the expected lifespan". You basically admit that the only things that are really increasing are the numbers on paper and use them as a fact?
Anyway, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you ment "the lifespan increasing", which you cannot know for sure (if we are talking about children born today and affected by the issues I worry about, not the elderly who were raised on more natural food), but what the heck - you are entitled to an opinion.
So, do you believe that the lifespan is increasing because we are all generally healthier or because the medicine allows us to survive health problems that killed people in the past?
And if latter, then what does it have to do with my assertion that we are less healthy than we used to be?
Octavius: You imply that unnatural foods are causing all ^ of the above?
I do not imply "all" unless talking about purely theoretical sciences - like mathematics or praxeology.
What I mean is that an unnatural way of life - the one we were not adopted to by evolution/creation plays havoc with our biology and food is a major factor.
In addition, our biology is also deteriorating due to dysgenic processes in our society.
I am going to elaborate on specific dangers of specific foods and the major public misconception about nutrition in later posts.
Gadfly: It fulfills the nutritional requirements of dogs quite good...
Dogs have a lot of health problems. So do wolves raised on dog food. It is just not so obvious as with the people.
miko
-
I think most of it just has to do with a lower activity level in kids these days. I haven't seen many kids around that had to work as hard as I did when I was younger. We had Atari and all that crap, but we also got out of the house regularly and roamed the neighborhood playing basketball, football, etc. Nowadays I'm half afraid to let my kids play with the freedom I enjoyed. Too many weirdos and weird crap happening. We also had our share of chores that would work your dinner off you in a hurry. Kids today are babied a little bit in that respect. Not all, but I'd say the majority. My kids complain when I make them walk to school, and it's less than a 1/2 mile away. Just some thoughts I wanted to throw out.
-
The number of obese college age girls is astounding. Yet most college girls are trim and fit.
You guys cry for natural selection, there it is. Prettier girls have higher self-esteem, they suceed better in school, and go on to do well in college. Then they go on to high paying jobs and raise an upper-middle class family.
On a scale of 1 to 10, with 5 being average, 1 being ugly, 10 being beautiful, college girls seem to stabilize around 7.
-
davidpt40: You guys cry for natural selection, there it is. Prettier girls have higher self-esteem, they suceed better in school, and go on to do well in college. Then they go on to high paying jobs and raise an upper-middle class family.
Wrong - the opposite takes place. They go to make a career and have few children - often sick ones because they have them late.
The "looser" girls meanwhile have many childen subcidised by our generous welfare state.
miko
-
Wrong - the opposite takes place. They go to make a career and have few children - often sick ones because they have them late.
That may have been true at one time. But with widespread birth control, STDs, and other factors (poor parenting, birth defects), I think the population is stabilizing towards women who are more sucessful.
Lets look at Africa. 35% of the population has aids. The stabilizing trend is definately towards women whom do not have sex with multiple partners.
In America, women who do not go to college and have many kids face many problems (which can cause their kids to fail). Abusive parenting can cause the kids to have low self-esteem which may reduce their fitness. Or they may end up in prison.
Also, more and more women are using birth control. They can have all the sex they want without getting pregnant. But they can still get STDs.
-
Originally posted by Gadfly
What we need is a human-grade "dogfood". Think how much time, money and effort would be saved! No more grocery stores, restraunts or kitchens, just a bag in the corner with a scoop!
It fulfills the nutritional requirements of dogs quite good, why not us?
[size=14]SOYLENT GREEN[/size][/b] Save money, time and space!
-
Originally posted by davidpt40
The number of obese college age girls is astounding. Yet most college girls are trim and fit.
You guys cry for natural selection, there it is. Prettier girls have higher self-esteem, they suceed better in school, and go on to do well in college. Then they go on to high paying jobs and raise an upper-middle class family.
On a scale of 1 to 10, with 5 being average, 1 being ugly, 10 being beautiful, college girls seem to stabilize around 7.
Ya know... there are those of us who realize the advantages of "more cushion"....chiks.
-
i was replying to this and had a TON of pop-p on some celeb site GRRR had to cntrl-alt-del and shut down IE explorer GRR..
anyway as i was saying...
finally girls are having "curves" again.
im listening to "tuxedo junction" right now and dreaming of:
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_180_1070708559.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_180_1070708547.jpg)
for some reason i just LOVE this pic:
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_180_1070708527.jpg)
ordered this:
(http://a1259.g.akamai.net/f/1259/5586/1d/images.art.com/images/PRODUCTS/large/10030000/10030905.jpg)
sucks to realize you were born in the wrong decade.
-
gotta agree with jb... love women with some meat on em.
but... fatassed overpopulation is a problem... sickly are allowed to survive... womenly men myopicaly vote for big brother to protect their sickly butts...
that is the real problem!! what we need is a good plague that wipes out about 30% of the population in large cities!!
lazs