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This one takes the cake. If you can't see the liberal bias in this stupid article....
Mom Vainly Tries to See U.S. Iraq Soldier Daughter
1 hour, 27 minutes ago Add U.S. National - Reuters to My Yahoo!
By Michael Georgy
TIKRIT, Iraq (Reuters) - A peace activist accused the U.S. military on Friday of depriving her of the chance to visit her soldier daughter, telling her that the truck driver was on a mission.
But Lieutenant Colonel William MacDonald, spokesman for the U.S. Fourth Infantry Division in Tikrit, said he was trying to organize a meeting for Saturday.
Anabel Valencia said she had informed U.S. military officials that she would be at the gates of the base at noon to see 24-year-old Giselle. She arrived only to discover that her daughter had been sent on a mission to Baghdad.
"I have not seen her in three years, I don't know why they are doing this," said Valencia, standing outside a sprawling U.S. military base in Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s hometown.
"The last time we spoke she said 'I miss you and my father and sister. I want to come home for Christmas but I have to finish my mission'."
"I feel so bad. I am sad," said Valencia, who was accompanied by Medea Benjamin of Global Exchange, an anti-war human rights group.
Several parents of Americans serving in Iraq (news - web sites) have come to the country to visit their children, including ones that were killed in the war that toppled Saddam.
Their presence just outside the military complex clearly made U.S. troops nervous. One arrived with a sniffer dog and firmly told Valencia to keep a distance from the main checkpoint.
"Can I talk to her?" Valencia asked before being told that Giselle had been sent on a mission to Baghdad, where her brother is also serving in the U.S. Army.
Valencia and her party were told that Giselle would be back at five o'clock. But MacDonald contradicted that claim.
"This mission has been scheduled for quite a while and you know she is a soldier. She is out performing her duty," he said.
One soldier stood by and reminded everyone that "this is a war and soldiers are sent on missions."
Giselle had spoken to her mother highly of her tour of duty in Iraq.
When a group of U.S.-trained Iraqi policemen showed up, American soldiers loaded their weapons.
"The Americans asked us to come here to stop the demonstration," said Iraqi policeman Mohanan Taha.
Asked if protests were illegal in the new Iraq, he told reporters: "There are no human rights under the Americans. Nothing. It is all empty talk."
"We miss the days of Saddam," said Iraqi policeman Mohammed Shawki.
SHE'S A FRIGGIN SOLDIER IN A WAR ZONE FOR GOD'S SAKE!! WTF!!!
What does this woman expect?
Oh, and toss in the comments about Sniffer dogs, Troops loading their weapons, and the Iraqi police statment at the end.
GIVE ME A F***IN BREAK!!
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What kinda war is this? Mom n Dad go to the warzone to sit, talk and eat cookies? wtf?
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yeah right...like Bush cares about the mother daughter relationship....get real will ya!!!
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Oh right, sorry Rude...I forgot...Bush=bad. Hail Ming the Merciless
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Originally posted by LePaul
Oh right, sorry Rude...I forgot...Bush=bad. Hail Ming the Merciless
:cool:
Is he running on the Democratic ticket? I'd vote for him before Howard Dean.
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Why is it biased? It states the facts without resorting to comment.
Your bleatings about liberal bias are starting to grate. Change the record, brother, jesus.
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It is a rediculous story, not presented in any way to support the mothers postition that I could see.
If the daughter hasnt seen her in 3 years I can see why...
Iraq and the army has nothing to do with it.
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Dowding, come on.
Be honest here. This is biased.
Look at the quotes:
"A peace activist accused the U.S. military"
"I feel so bad. I am sad," said Valencia, who was accompanied by Medea Benjamin of Global Exchange, an anti-war human rights group. "
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"Their presence just outside the military complex clearly made U.S. troops nervous. One arrived with a sniffer dog and firmly told Valencia to keep a distance from the main checkpoint. "
"When a group of U.S.-trained Iraqi policemen showed up, American soldiers loaded their weapons."---DOES THIS LINE ADD ANYTHING TO THE STORY?
"The Americans asked us to come here to stop the demonstration," said Iraqi policeman Mohanan Taha. ----WHY IS THIS LINE NECESSARY?
"Asked if protests were illegal in the new Iraq, he told reporters: "There are no human rights under the Americans. Nothing. It is all empty talk."
"We miss the days of Saddam," said Iraqi policeman Mohammed Shawki. "--THis is the topper right here. Does this story necessitate the opinion of an Iraqi policeman on the current state of human rights in Iraq? Of course not. But here's the media tossing it in.
Wanna see my version of the stroy?
A tree-hugging beatnick went to see her soldier daughter serving in Iraq, but was told she could not meet with her because she is a soldier in a war zone.
End of story.
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It still reports the facts and offers no comment. I suggest you re-familiarize yourself with the term 'bias'.
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Muckmaw. i think a liberal would read the story and think it as rediculous as you do. If there is bias in the reporting it sure missed the mark.
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Originally posted by Dowding
It still reports the facts and offers no comment. I suggest you re-familiarize yourself with the term 'bias'.
How you report "facts" and which "facts" you choose to report is often more important than inflicting your personal opinion on others.
Just in case YOU are unfamiliar with the term I grabbed this from dictionary.com for your educational opportunity. You might note that it makes no note of whether or not one needs to inject personal commentary in order to be biased. This story served no point other than influence those too stupid to understand how reality works and make them "feel bad about the cruel American military."
bi·as ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bs)
n.
A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment.
An unfair act or policy stemming from prejudice.
A statistical sampling or testing error caused by systematically favoring some outcomes over others.
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I'm trying to find the liberal bias...
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
I'm trying to find the liberal bias...
"This story served no point other than influence those too stupid to understand how reality works and make them "feel bad about the cruel American military." "
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Some people, even close relatives have absolutely no concept of military service beyond what they've seen in the movies. By the look of it, the journalist (and I use the term loosely) also has little understanding of military service.
Maybe it's just me, but I'm having trouble wading through all of the ignorance just trying to find the bias.
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You have a point, though it is possible the author is just ignorant but I'm tending think they are both ignorant and biased by the unnecessary use of derogatory statements about the US in a way that has no context other than to be derogatory.
really a disgustingly low quality piece of "journalism" through and through.
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Muckmaw why are you trying to explain this to a liberal? They don't see it as bias they see it as the only way to tell the truth. Well Their view of the truth.
The story should have read:
A Anti-War activist in Iraq tries to see her daughter who is to busy doing her job protecting the rights of Americans to see her mother. The Mother doesn't understand why she can't see her daughter since she asked nicley at the front gate. Well her and her Anti-War crowd. She is outraged and sadened when she was told her daughter was to busy fighting a war to come to the gate. The mother immediatly blamed Bush saying "He is trying to punish me because he knows I'm right and he is Satan!"
The Mother and her Anti-War friends left and went back to their Hosts home. Uncle Saddam!
Sorry this smacks of liberal media.
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When I read this:
"I have not seen her in three years, I don't know why they are doing this,"
I thought exactly the same thing as Pongo. If she hasn't seen her daughter in three years, its sure isn't the Armys fault. Most likely, the daughter doesnt give a damn about seeing her. The daughter gets at least a month leave a year, and can afford a plane ticket. If the Mother can afford to get herself to Iraq, she could have afforded a plane ticket to see her daughter whereever she was stationed in peacetime. I also can't help but wonder if those idiot parents don't realize they could easily be kidnapped since they are making such obvious targets of themselves, then held in some kind of extortion attempt or blackmail.
Why didnt the reporter find out why it had been 3 years since she saw her daughter? He could have asked the Army, but he decided instead to let it appear on the surface that because her daughter is under Army command, the daughter hasn't been able to see her for 3 years. Lets not provide balance here Mr. Reporter, lets not include all the facts to give a balanced and complete report.
Anyone else wonder about the dichotomy of a "Peace Activist" having a daugther in the Army and wonder if that might be the reason they have been apart 3 years? Do you wonder if the "Peace Activist" only showed up at the Army post in Iraq to make a "statement", to try and embarrass the Army? Did she go so far out of her way to visit the Daughter at her normal stateside posting? I doubt it. Do you wonder if the vast ideological differances between Mother and Daughter are behind the 3 year seperation? The reporter sure didnt bother to wonder about any of these things or report on them, nor did he bother to ask those questions. Cant make the Army/US Administration look bad if you provide balance.
Loved this one too:
When a group of U.S.-trained Iraqi policemen showed up, American soldiers loaded their weapons.
I guess we are too believe that troops guarding the military complex do so with unloaded weapons? More likely another reporter who had no clue what he was talking about and wanted his report to sound dramatic. I am pretty sure they had loaded weapons, though they might have chambered a round if they feared possible trouble.
When the US Army has to jump at the whim of every peace activist parent, we might as well disband the military. They should have just tossed some CS gas gernades at them hippies.
Liberal bias is everywhere in reporting. The funny thing about it is most liberals think that the way they think is normal, everything else is wrong, so they never detect liberal bias in reporting.
Small example of liberal bias:
Asked if protests were illegal in the new Iraq, he told reporters: "There are no human rights under the Americans. Nothing. It is all empty talk."
"We miss the days of Saddam," said Iraqi policeman Mohammed Shawki.
No counterpoint, no American officers or diplomats given a chance to respond, to explain the efforts being made to improve things. Why didnt he mention that the "Iraqi policeman" was one of those who should be protecting individual human rights?
Just report some rhetoric babbled by some fool, and let it stand to form peoples opinions. Why didn't the reporter discuss or compare the human rights of people under Saddams regime? You know, something like "Saddams human rights guarantee you have the right to be tortured by any vicious means we can think of, you have the right to be murdered enmass and be buried in unmarked mass graves, you have the right to be thrown into secret prisons for no reason for as long was Saddam feels like, you have the right to watch your children die because we won't provide medicine to the hospitals, you have the right to watch your daughters get raped and tortured for Udays amusement" Are those the rights he missed under Saddam?
Why didn't the reporter provide any balance to the Iraqi policemans comment? Oh, whats that? Because if he did it might help make people understand that our involvement in Iraq isn't all bad???? Thats not liberal bias, oh noooooo. BS
Lets consider the title of the article"
Mom Vainly Tries to See U.S. Iraq Soldier Daughter
Would it have been incorrect or maybe more accurate to have a title like
" Mother shows up at an active Army Complex in a War Zone and makes demands the Army produce her Soldier Daughter"
Liberal bias is there, you just have to think about it some. I suggest anyone who has trouble seeing it to read Bernard Goldbergs book "Bias".
dago
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lol
ya Ill get to that right after manufacturing consent.
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I don't know if that article is biased or not, but that lady sure is a dumb ass, and the author appears to be not much better. A lot of liberals are dumb tulips too but it doesn't make it a liberal-biased story. :)
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sounds like a pissed of reporter, pissed off at the army. im saying misplaced aggresion. liberal bias in the media ohh your killin me its like saying there is overweight john bias in most hoars. makes no sense if you know the beast. media is a hoar end of story.
not a hard senario to imaine.
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LOL you will get to see ur family when the Army TELLS you you can see them!!:D
Thats pretty much the way It goes.
Also It seems Like mom made this into a publicity stunt as well.
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There's no bias here, and not much of a story either.
MRPLUTO
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Originally posted by muckmaw
When a group of U.S.-trained Iraqi policemen showed up, American soldiers loaded their weapons.
"The Americans asked us to come here to stop the demonstration," said Iraqi policeman Mohanan Taha.
Asked if protests were illegal in the new Iraq, he told reporters: "There are no human rights under the Americans. Nothing. It is all empty talk."
"We miss the days of Saddam," said Iraqi policeman Mohammed Shawki.
Now I usually stay out of these type discussions. But I read this article on yahoo earlier. And was waiting for someone to post this here in the O' Club.
I do agree with the view that it is a hostile enviornment and she should not be there. (Not to rub it in) But I guess If all major hostilities have ended I dont see why she shouldnt be allowed to visit the new "Free Iraq", And maybe see her daughter when it is convienent for the Army, not for her mother.
Now,
I found the Iraqi police comment quite scary. If it is true, I cant see Iraqi's governing thier own people. It seems like the US Army cant trust the police force they created if they have to load their guns when the Iraqi police arrive.
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Originally posted by Dowding
It still reports the facts and offers no comment. I suggest you re-familiarize yourself with the term 'bias'.
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This woman hasn't seen her daughter in 3 years yet she travels all the way to Iraq to see her? Or is she an Iraqi? Just doesn't add up. Maybe the daughter wasn't there cause she didn't want to see her mother? The article creates more questions than it answers.
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I can't see anything pro or con about the article. As a matter of fact, I find it entirely bland.
But... Personally, I'd be embarrased right out of my mind if Mom came to visit me while I was in Iraq! EGAD! Daughter probably arranged the "mission" all by herself.
T.
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Can't see any bias myself...must be looking at it wrong...(unless Bias is some kind of real bad anagram for bland - but then it wouldn't be an anagram would it :p )
Tronsky
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i dont see any political spin on this story ether way. although i dont understand why they didnt let them in. i doubt if the CO's wife showed up for a visit she would had to wait outside the gate. did the mother carry anti-war sign? this seems rather odd to me because when i was in the army. they tried hard to stay on good terms with the familys of soldiers. i just dont understand this. maybe there is more to this story than reported.
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She's probably humiliated. It would be like working at Wilson's leather, and having your mom outside carrying a sign and throwing red paint on the customers. Pretty thoughtless and selfish of her.
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I have discussed this article with my aunt who is a freelance journalist and she pretty much said what Schotz did.
Ravs
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Geez, I wonder about how naive some people can be.
Bias isn't always blatant, it won't always jump up and bite you which unfortunately the only way some would recognize it.
Its not always what you say, it's often what you don't say. Write an article, only show one side of a story and you are likely showing bias. Only let one side present their "sympathetic" side, its bias.
When the article only had this about human rights:
Asked if protests were illegal in the new Iraq, he told reporters: "There are no human rights under the Americans. Nothing. It is all empty talk."
"We miss the days of Saddam," said Iraqi policeman Mohammed Shawki.
it was bias. To someone not familiar with the "human rights" situation prior to the US invasion, human rights under Saddam, you would be left with the impression that human rights were good then, bad now.
How many of you really think this is the fact????
Detecting bias is often a matter of comparing inclusion against exclusion.
Lucky bias dont bite, a lot of people would be getting some painful surprises.
dagooooooooooooooooooooo
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Don't confuse truth and lies with bias and non-bias.
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Despite what some of you may think the US military is not the property of the Republican Party, and therefore the Republican Party is not answerable to what and how the US military does its business, unless the US military is specifically instructed on the matter by the government (which is led by the Republican Party at the present time).
You show a better understanding of this than most Americans, but sadly it often mixes up in their heads as all being "The Government", "The Establishment" or "The Current Administration". Understanding this flawed logic, the "media", intentionally or not, can promote bias against the administration in many ways.
dago