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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: EDO43 on December 05, 2003, 03:14:05 PM
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To all the friends I've made, as well as those who don't care for me, or who just don't care what follows is my opinion and only mine.... After more than 3 years playing this online game, I am thinking about leaving. Not that this is any great loss to HTC or the community but I'd like to express the reasons as to why I may leave. Some of you may be thinking this as well. I know from reading past posts that others have. The reason is twofold. One, the constant BS, not only on Ch1, but other channels as well, is just getting me down. Seems ya can’t go five minutes w/out someone accusing someone of “BS! That shouldn’t have happened!” implying that the person was cheating. Things being what they are, there's no such thing as a perfect situation. These people probably don't cheat, ***** happens is all. There's no sense of community left. I do see the occasional "
good kill on me" but by far it's not. All the flames and other garbage that goes on in the MA is extremely demoralizing to me. Smack talk is inevitable in any MMOG but it's gotten way outta hand. I am guilty of doing it myself. Another factor of why I may leave... I'm not like that, being in that kind of environment is what does it to me.
If there were an actual military fighter squadron flying here, they’d be untouchable. Any one of the three sides, if organized similar to the military would be as well. This will NEVER happen in a game where people insist on doing their own thing and everyone is equal and free to do as they please. Such is the nature of pay per play online gaming. This aggravates me to no end. Everyone wants to win but in order to do that, ya gotta be enmasse. Strategy, planning and tactics mean absolutely nothing any longer. Before the demise of AW, this game was unbeatable for playability, and etiquette. Some of you weren’t around back then but those who were, can testify that AH was a different world entirely.
Secondly, the moderator/HTC censorship issue is still lurking in the back of my mind. Recently, CrzHrs posted on the HTC bulletin boards about this subject and I still don’t know the outcome of that. Those that have been “moderated” for trivial offenses, like myself, Anton and a few others…No Bodhi, they had legitimate reasons for moderating you ya foul mouthed SOB…LOL, know that something is amiss here. Even though they retort that the HTC arena is a private forum, and the first amendment doesn’t apply; I still feel that if I’m paying for a service, I should have access to know exactly what types of violations that will cause someone to be moderated/muted/banned. It just doesn’t seem to have any kind of consistency in application. I'd like to know that if I type certain words or phrases, I will be first warned, then muted if I do it again. I've seen some topics of discussion go way to far with no limit on one side but ten minutes later, up pops someone who responded with "I just got fluff'n muted for saying.." from the other end of the discussion. I personally got moderated (not muted mind you) for calling someone an idiot. That’s all, an idiot. No other adjectives were used or implied. I've seen HT post about host side language filters and even though there are several clever ways around it, it is a great idea. Moderators must be, by virtue of being human, subjective. But, shouldn't moderators moderate and not play? HT in one post states that by implementing filters that he's trying to change the atmosphere of gameplay. That's a good thing in and of itself. Tempers flare when national, politcal, sexual, racial, ethnic issues are hit upon. I think that the moderators should moderate the topics of discussion in addition to individual offenses. That, in my opinion, will change the atmosphere of gameplay. Smak talk is part of the game and although it is, it should be held at an lower level than it is at this time. Again, I admit doing this and although I try hard to stay away from it, it gets the better of me sometimes.
When was the last time you saw HT himself online in blue or even online for that matter? I play regularly and I can't remember the last time I saw any of the HTC staff online in blue or otherwize. In my opinion, I think the folks at HTC have all but forgotten the people that pay their salaries and pay for their toys…i.e: homebuilt airplanes and such. My $14.95 won't mean that much and I'm quite sure that HTC couldn't care less, I just need to vent. $14.95 won't even buy a spark plug for the engine in an RV8 I don't think. I've watched this game grow and become "overgrown" if you will. There are people from all over the world who play this game and for the most part I enjoy the experience right along with them. Something drastic needs to done with respect to gameplay, equity of censorship, and implementation of standards for said censorship.
Here endth the last whine and testament of a potentially "out the door" AH veteran.
Flame on McDuff! I can hear the lighters flicking now......
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Originally posted by EDO43
When was the last time you saw HT himself online in blue or even online for that matter? I play regularly and I can't remember the last time I saw any of the HTC staff online in blue or otherwize. In my opinion, I think the folks at HTC have all but forgotten the people that pay their salaries and pay for their toys…i.e: homebuilt airplanes and such. My $14.95 won't mean that much and I'm quite sure that HTC couldn't care less, I just need to vent. $14.95 won't even buy a spark plug for the engine in an RV8 I don't think. I've watched this game grow and become "overgrown" if you will. There are people from all over the world who play this game and for the most part I enjoy the experience right along with them. Something drastic needs to done with respect to gameplay, equity of censorship, and implementation of standards for said censorship.
....and here's the answer you've been looking for from an O-Club thread:
originally posted by skuzzy
If you showed a painting to 10 different people, you would probably get 10 different opinions on the work. All due to the different perspectives people chose to view things from.
If you asked those 10 people what could be done to make the painting better, you probably would get 10 different answers, all from varying perspectives.
What makes one thing better to one person makes it worse for another.
Show a partially completed painting to those 10 people and some would say, "Nice when it will be done", others might say, "It's crap and it will always be crap", while others muse, "When are we going to find out more about it?" Perspectives are interesting.
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Point taken but I wasn't really looking for an answer....I was just stating my opinions.
but thank you for your input.
Sincerely.
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Something drastic needs to done with respect to gameplay,
Hmm.. do you have any suggestions?
What is your in game name?
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Originally posted by Steve
Hmm.. do you have any suggestions?
What is your in game name?
Maybe if they implemented some type of Mission Arena, which focused on flying and completing missions throughout a virtual career? That might be cool.
-Sik
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I would like to see success depend more upon degradation of an enemy's ability to make war as well as the ability to tactically destroy his means to make war...i.e porkin fields and overwhelming numbers. Since this is primarily an air combat simulation, priority should remain where it is, on the aircraft.
Thankyou for your reply
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Originally posted by EDO43
I would like to see success depend more upon degradation of an enemy's ability to make war as well as his ability to tactically destroy his means to make war...i.e porkin fields and overwhelming numbers...
So you don't want to fight anyone? You want to overwelm an enemy unable to fight back?
I don't see how you can NOT love the current MA mentality, with this attitude.
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Drop the 43 and that's my online gameplay name.
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Furious, isn't that how real war is waged? Destroy the enemy's ability to make war? Furballs outside a base don't win wars. There's gotta be more to it than just en masses raids taking bases until the last one. Maybe I'm trying to implement real time strategy somewhere it doesn't belong.
The fight comes in trying to carry out the doctrine against an opponent.
Thank you for your reply....
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ONE WORD
TOD!!!
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EDO...
The first part of your post seems like simple burnout. I get to that place regularly :). For me, taking a week or two off seems to help.
As for the moderators, I have been fortunate enough to not get muted (yet :)). I do understand what you are talking about when it comes to the "rules of the road" for AH. I asked HT about that issue a few months ago (I was suggesting that some basic guidelines be posted). He told me that if he did that, he could be opening himself up to possible legal action (in today's letigious society, I can see his point). His 'answer' was...if you are asked to stop doing something...do so...if you feel you have been treated unfairly...contact HTC.
Overall, my considered opinion would be for you to take some time away from the game. I would be willing to bet you could come back and have some fun again. Either way...good luck to you :).
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Originally posted by EDO43
When was the last time you saw HT himself online in blue or even online for that matter? I play regularly and I can't remember the last time I saw any of the HTC staff online in blue or otherwize.
HT has been in the AH2 Beta Online a lot. Just because you don't see us, doesn't mean we're not there. Also, consider that we have been working on this game 8 or more hours a day for 5 years now. HT rarely takes a day off. If that's not dedication, I don't know what is. For me, the last thing I want to do when I get off work is jump into the game because for us it's basically work when we play due to customer questions/realations/moderating/etc. That being said, I still do play occasionally, just under a psuedonym. ;)
In my opinion, I think the folks at HTC have all but forgotten the people that pay their salaries and pay for their toys…i.e: homebuilt airplanes and such. ....
EDO43, if you think any of us at HTC are rich, you are quite mistaken. No one is living in luxury here. I work paycheck to paycheck. There is nothing glamorious about it. We work hard and play hard. By the way, there is such a thing as a savings account and bank loans. ;)
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY
EDO43, if you think any of us at HTC are rich, you are quite mistaken. No one is living in luxury here. I work paycheck to paycheck. There is nothing glamorious about it. We work hard and play hard. By the way, there is such a thing as a savings account and bank loans. ;)
(Reconsiders resume')
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY
HT has been in the AH2 Beta Online a lot. Just because you don't see us, doesn't mean we're not there. Also, consider that we have been working on this game 8 or more hours a day for 5 years now. HT rarely takes a day off. If that's not dedication, I don't know what is. For me, the last thing I want to do when I get off work is jump into the game because for us it's basically work when we play due to customer questions/realations/moderating/etc. That being said, I still do play occasionally, just under a psuedonym. ;)
EDO43, if you think any of us at HTC are rich, you are quite mistaken. No one is living in luxury here. I work paycheck to paycheck. There is nothing glamorious about it. We work hard and play hard. By the way, there is such a thing as a savings account and bank loans. ;)
Amen Brotha' Superfly! Can I get a witness?? ;) :D
Yankee
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Originally posted by EDO43
Furious, isn't that how real war is waged? Destroy the enemy's ability to make war? Furballs outside a base don't win wars...
Should HTC have an autodailer to call to tell us not to bother to login when another team has destroyed your team's "ability to fight"?
I think HT understands that no matter how "superior" (whether that means numbers or stategic geniuses) one team is compared to another, the little guy always needs to have the ability to fight back.
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thankyou for your replies. I also work 8 hours a day 5 days a week.....normally...I also spend alot of time at the airport recovering and launching aircraft and my work week usually ends up being 50-60 hours. I never said anything about being rich. I drive a 2003 Corvette and I'm not rich. Being rich means your money works for you not the other way around. I get paid a nice salary for my position in the company I work for. I imagine the same goes for you folks. I just got offline and when I was there, I noticed that Skuzzy was infact online. First time I've seen anyone from HTC in the MA in a long, long time. I may have alluded to the fact that the staff at HTC sits on their laurels. I apologize for that but it seems like nothing gets fixed around the MA in AH as it sits right now. Fer instance, what's up with this vox issue? I know I'm not the only one whose vox regularly goes on the fritz and has to relog to get it back....highly annoying but tolerable.
I know all about savings banks and loans......I have several...mortgage, home equity, auto loan, etc, etc.....I also know about my retirement too.....IRA's, 401K.....
I even know about checking accounts...that's where all my money disappears from.
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I am glad HT and staff are busy working On AH2.
I am sure they miss being online and having to wet nurse some of the Tards in this game.:rolleyes:
I have been In the AH2 online beta when HT is there and I must say I feel for him when there Is only 5-10 players on playing.
I mean fer crying out loud out of all the subscribers all that can muster the time to help with the beta Is 5-10 at a time LOL.
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hmm........define Tard and to whom are you referring to? If that was an attack at me, then it was weak. Responses have been civil until now, if that's the case. I'm sorry you feel you must insult someone with an opinion that does not agree with yours.
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I have never been muted or moderated or for that matter even concerned about those issues. For the most part I squelch CH1, especially when some tedious ranting dialog starts. Don't talk smack and don't let emotions carry you into pointless triades and this will never be a concern. I like some friendly taunting and some silly banter, just don't go overboard. Treat people with at least some degree of common courtesy and be responsible for your own behavior. Those have been my main guidelines, Grandma always said if you don't have anything nice to say STFU ;)
I have been playing Aces High since the beginning and I have always found HT and staff to be friendly, courteous, and extremely concerned. I am sure their "lack" of visibility in th MA is directly related to the amount of time they are spending trying to get AHII ready. I feel your comments there are completely unwarrented.
I like to fly lonewolf and furball. OTOH, I like fly with my squad in well planned and laid out missions that are run with military precision. Sometimes I up from a capped base just to see how many vulchers i can kill. Every now and then I do get pissed (always because of some stupidity on my part), if I do I just log until I cool off. AH is a game (sorry HT), if you are not having fun evaluate yourself.
Phantom4
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Furious, your statement while accurate, misses the point. I know you've been around awhile so, how often does the little guy make a comeback? Yes, it does happen but how often? sometimes the third team attacks the major base holder and allows the "little guy" with only two or three bases remaining to recover.
Do you have that little faith in your teammates that you'd suggest that they'd let one side run over the other BEFORE taking action? This is what I'm talking about when I say that if one side were to run their war with an order of battle, then the things you're talking about wouldn't happen unless they were completely overwhelmed. Maybe you'd see my point a bit easier if you thought of it as one front war instead of a two front war. (2 countries vs. 3 countries)
Same thing with the current state of CV Suicide dweebs...If there was a Task Force commander and that person set up and maintained a solid CAP around the Carrier, the CV suicide dweebs would never make it through.
If you'd rather furball then win a war and gain points and standing then that's your perogative. I'd rather do the former.
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Amen HTC <
> you guys are doing outstanding work and we appreciate it :aok :aok :aok
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Unwarranted? I don't know that.... If I stopped maintaining one of my airplanes to help design and work on another, the neglected one would fall into disrepair and would probably have an accident or something else. either way, neither would be up and running in the end.
thanks for sharing your point of view.
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Ahhh EDO, you are a positive factor in the AH community (unlike me, often)
I hope you work it out.
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How many times must someone chant the mantra that the game is broke .... simply because they think it is (be it the engine, the models, the players, the monitors, the filter, the staff .... etc) when in reality it's a matter of perception or attitude and getting laid and/or really drunk would come closer to fixing the "problem."
Ooohhhhmmmmmmm ....
gameisbroke
gameisbroke
gameisbroke
gameisbroke
gameisbroke
ad hominem
ad nauseam
ad infinitum
At least in this case there was some civility and "gratitude" if not some willingness to concede to common sense. Not quite as bad as Crazed "Apparently I'm not one of the good `ol boys and I'm always being singled out and picked on by the game monitors" Horse. :lol :D :aok
Oh .... a 2.7.
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Games better since there were moderators. Do they have a bias. Probably, most people do. But man it was bad when only the men in blue could shut people up.
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EDO your on burnout. A portion of your small paragraph addressed game issues, the remainder was pretty much a rant.
Take some time, do some other stuff and drop in when the urge strikes. You'll know when it's time to come back.
Channel one and anything in the text buffer never bothers me. If it does, I squelch it. ( rare except for politics.. )
I private my salute's.
If strategy in the game sense is what you enjoy. I think the MA is a strange place to accomplish that. Tactical games provide real strategy, where here it's window dressing.
This is an air to air combat game. In that it excels. Of late many think it should be more, and in the process move away from the air to air thing in the quest of the map taking. That makes no sense at all to me.
This game is great air to air. I wouldn't think of doing anything else here.
If it's land conquest and winning the war, there are much better "games" geared to that passion.
Take it as it is. It isn't "more" than that even if you wish it.
With that point of view, it rocks.
Even IF you take a break from time to time..
Won't address the rants. Hope they made you feel better.
Cya up
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Its this simple.When EDO posts on the BBS and talks about issues,theres an issue.As Steve said.EDO IS a positive point in this game.Ive seen many people burnout and blast the game in general.EDO didnt blast anyone per say.I know HT and crew are busy as hell and I also feel they care a great deal about this game.Otherwisw they would burnout them selves.
EDO also has a point on the moderating issue.Ive seen Squademates muted for such obvious BS that its obvious the moderator had an issue with that person/Letting joe schmo rant on about something worse at the same time and ignoreing that conversation completely.Granted no Multiplayer game will ever be utopia,it just seems to me the moderators at times lack equality.I for one have never been muted by a moderator..Im in the same boat as EDO.I think its time to give it a break for awhile.I have a month left on the 6 months in advance plan and then Im gonna drop AH for a bit.Maby when TOD comes out I'll see how that works out.Been fun flying with you guys.Old Turks?Rock on. Flying Circus? You guys are the best.
Doc:aok
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edo, I too think ch1 is a cesspool; i only tune to tell someone nice fight. as far as simulating the real military, that will never happen. You could start your own squad of "disciplined" minded guys. Having retired from the military, I think its funny that people want to play soldier online - you just can't do it; but I understand the desire to be organized and mission oriented. I say detune ch1 and find guys who think like you. Otherwise you might have to start watching will and grace on tv....ewwww
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Not true, HT is on all the time! He is the number guy "94734256" or similiar!
he just can't use the old handle cause everyone whines at him online.....
Your problem is you let the smack talking teens get to you.. Use the squelch command that what its there for...
Also sounds like the squad is getting old... Fly solo for awhile! enjoy the peace and quite of no responsibilities! Makes the game very enjoyable!!
Because lets face it $14.95 is half a tank of gas pretty much, its more of an issue re-opening the acccount in 5 weeks than just taking a break for awhile!
IKON
Band of Gypsys
Fug squad night!
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EDO
I'm not sure if it's burnout or not... for me, it's a little "burnout", a little "gameplay" etc. Have barely shown my face in the game now for the last 2mo and am seriously contemplating quitting for good. Can't stand the big-map-land-grab-faceshooting-spitnik hordes. I'm sure HTC won't miss my 14.95 either, but at least I'll know it's going to better use. To each his own, but it's not worth getting all bent out of shape about. It's only a game (anymore)... and there are many.
T.
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Dammit HTC....you bunch of slackers!!
I havent heard a single word about happy hour in over 3 months. This is absolutely ridiculous. If you dont remedy this situation promptly, I will be forced to do something rash.
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EDO was the moderator someone UsaHawk ?
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EDO nothing I said was directed at you.
It was commentary in general.
I too have been muted But I have a bad temper and a big mouth so most of the times I deserved it.
Somthing that has always struck my funny though is how a person can swear in a foreigne language and get away with it:(
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Originally posted by EDO43
If there were an actual military fighter squadron flying here, they’d be untouchable. Any one of the three sides, if organized similar to the military would be as well. This will NEVER happen in a game where people insist on doing their own thing and everyone is equal and free to do as they please. Such is the nature of pay per play online gaming. This aggravates me to no end. Everyone wants to win but in order to do that, ya gotta be enmasse. Strategy, planning and tactics mean absolutely nothing any longer. Before the demise of AW, this game was unbeatable for playability, and etiquette. Some of you weren’t around back then but those who were, can testify that AH was a different world entirely.
Good post, EDO. I feel your pain. Some folks think that a successful campaign is dependent on only numbers. They're wrong. The keyword is Organisation. But people think it's Numbers because in the AH-MA, there is no organisation. You'll have buffs porking a field even when asked not to (troops on the ground and running), and the buff pilot might take the attitude "it's my $14.95; I've brought these bombs all this way and I want the points so I'm going to drop them. I don't care about YOUR war.......". I've even seen that last sentence posted on the BBS, and it filled me with despair. Not that a game matters - just that someone could take that attitude.
As far as I can tell, strategy, planning and tactics never meant anything in AH. Stealth missions are doomed by bardar.
I had hoped that AH2-TOD might solve these problems, but it seems too many people just want easy kills/make stuff go boom. At the last con I went to, I saw three guys sitting together and their main objective seemed to be to find "a good vulch". When that enemy had been beaten into submission, they'd look for another "good vulch".
Even the furballers - those champions of the right of everyone to do as he pleases in the MA - are now distressed by the lamentable mess the MA has become. There was a time when, had *I* made a post like this, that the considered furballer response might be something along the lines of "I love it when someone states in absolute terms what should and should not be considered fun". Of course, they are now having to eat their words with a fork and spoon now that there are hordes of guys whose main objective is fuel porkage at the front line bases of the opposition. But hey - they're just having *fun*...
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Originally posted by EDO43
Furballs outside a base don't win wars.
No, but they're fun. MA is about fun.
Originally posted by EDO43
Maybe I'm trying to implement real time strategy somewhere it doesn't belong.
Yes I believe so. The game has to be designed as an RTS to be a good RTS, not just CTF with tweaked parameters. Which is what TOD is about I guess. We'll see. Twill be fun if it is.
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Beet, you still miss the point.
While I won't speak for all the guys on the "furball" side, I'll reiterate this because you refuse to accept it:
I don't care what you do to have your definition of fun in AH. If you want to bomb toolsheds, more power to you, enjoy and have a nice day.
However, in the MAIN ARENA, I think the design and implementation should allow EVERYONE to have fun. IE, while you're conquering the world, there needs to be a place for those that have no interest except finding a good fight.
(Sorry, I don't consider your no-risk style "finding a good fight".)
You continue to try and define "fun" in the MA in your absolutist terms. That's laughable; you can only speak for yourself. Reread the snipped Skuzzy quote in the above post.
It's clear to even the most casual observer that HTC did NOT design the MA in a way that will fulfill your definition and it's even more clear that he's not going to significantly change it to placate your group.
Lastly, this one had me :rofl
it's my $14.95; I've brought these bombs all this way and I want the points so I'm going to drop them. I don't care about YOUR war.......". I've even seen that last sentence posted on the BBS, and it filled me with despair.
Despair? My, what a sheltered life you lead! Talk to Oz about pancreatic cancer and then get back to me.
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Reaffirmation: With all thats "out there" these days, I can't help but wonder why folks stay here and complain "it aint no fun". Explore your options.
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Toad, yet another well-grounded post; ah is just a game, pure entertainment; cancer, loss of a job, parenting, etc are true stressors. Yep, things like getting waxed in here, while momentarily irritating, have no bearing on real life..or at least shouldn't. :aok
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But does it really matter in the grand scheme of things?
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IMO, gameplay has gone downhill in accordance with attendance going up. I feel the same thing happened to AW.
I have always wanted more than just 1 arena with full choice of planes. I think that is the sile reason CT isn't more popular.
I really dont expect HTC to implement ANY changes to the current MA, until after TOD has been released & its impact evaluated.
I hope that TOD will be the answer to many of these problems. Personally, I feel pretty confident that TOD will either be the place to play, or will draw enuff of the "masses with minimal mentality" away from the current game, making it enjoyable again.
I plan to keep my account & wait to see how things pan out.
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Fly the scenarios. People on the same side, working the plan and trying to succeed. Everyone's role defined, etc etc. You'd be surprised how organized a group can get in those things. By signing up for those people accept that they will have a defined role in the game
MA is the hamster wheel, going round and round. It's a different kind of fun. To expect people to play it your way is an unrealistic expectation.
Squelch channel 1 if you don't like the conversation
Dan/Slack
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edo... many of us do not want to win the war.... we don't give a crap who wins the war.
worse.... we think that any organized combat along the lines of what you enjoy is so boring as to be not worth doing.
if a real squadron came here they could bomb and energy fight in P51's all they wanted at 30k they wouldn't even see me.. they probly would do well against single 30k dweebs and undefended fields... they had better hope that they didn't find themselves in the weeds with some people i could name.
lazs
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Name them, brother, name them!!!! Testify!
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EDO......your Post was well thought out, and brought forth some good ideas. You sound quite similar to me, suffering burnout.
For instance....turn on the puter...initialize Contrl Manager, select my map. Log onto AH......go to tower look at Map....then say
NAWWWWWWWWWW not today, just don't feel like it.
Within the last two months I've logged on quite a bit less. Nothing to do with the game at all....best flight sim in the business
. When I do log on the competitiveness isn't there. SA drops
about 4 notches......shoot JOCs Sheep.....fly inverted through a hangar....usually auger doing so then log. If that ain't boredom
I dunno what is. Now....again it's not the game....it's the familiarity with it . Heck....at 54 maybe I'm starting to grow
up...but I seriously doubt it.
Still keeping the AH account....but will continue for a while to take a break.....no more 6 hour days playing when the weather is bad.
Will log on when I feel like it.
EDO.....suggest ya do the same...take a break...or play shorter periods of time. We've both been around flight sims for 10 years or better....and probably will be around longer...take a break.
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Originally posted by EDO43
Before the demise of AW, this game was unbeatable for playability, and etiquette. Some of you weren’t around back then but those who were, can testify that AH was a different world entirely.
Oh brother...another twit that's blaming AW for the demise of AH. Here's a quarter, go by yourself a clue.
ack-ack
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Ack-Ack, I'll take that quarter and raise ya a dollar. I never said AH was ded. All I said was that game play was much better before AW died. That's a true statement. I was there, done that...got several t-shirts.
You seem to have some anger issues with what I posted. Anger enough to be insulting and at the same time, displaying your ignorance. See, I can be insulting too. If you weren't there, then you can't say a word. If you're a hard core AW defender, and it looks like you are, go buy the rights to the game with the dollar I just gave you and put it back on the web. I won't be the least bit sorry to see you leave.
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To all who have responded: Thank you and let me add that, I respect your points of view (most of em anyway). I think I will keep my account and do as some of you suggest and take some time off, and/or spend less time online.
I had forgotten that HTC was working on AH2 and didn't know that he flys under an assumed CPID. For my comments regarding the AWOL of HT staff, I apologize. However, I still think some of the points I mentioned need to be considered. If not for AH then for AH2.
Now, lets get back to what we like to do.........shoot the other bastage down, and blow up his fields and strat the whole country! LOL
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edo... I don't know how positive an influence you are on the community... if your suggestions are taken to heart tho about the strat then you are a very negative influence on the gameplay of those of us who want to log on for a few hours and fight the red planes.
I don't want to recreate WWII... I read the book... allready know how it came out and why. I read that some pilots spent a whole tour never firing a shot at an enemy. I read that most flights were hours of doing nothing except try to stay awake. I also read that no raid ever had such an "effect" that you knew if it diod any good or not. and I don't want to log on to the losing side that will hang in there for another week or month or so being hammered by all the "chessmasters of the sky" who rely on numbers for their strat.
If you had what you wanted.... onlyu kids and adults with no life would enjoy AH.
lazs
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Originally posted by Toad
However, in the MAIN ARENA, I think the design and implementation should allow EVERYONE to have fun. IE, while you're conquering the world, there needs to be a place for those that have no interest except finding a good fight.
There is - it's called the DA, but it seems that YOU are the one still missing the point. :lol
But let's study this more closely... "I think the design and implementation should allow EVERYONE to have fun." Erm... would that include the fuel porkers? They're entitled to their fun too. They pay the same $14.95 that you do. But oh! You don't like it when they do their stuff, and your Siamese twin even wants to have bombs perked to put a stop to it!
I could go on, but I don't want to take EDO's thread off topic.
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Hmm... sure.. the fuel porkers could have fun too. let em kill all the fuel with suicide runs... just make it so that the fuel could never go below 50% at a field. Or... perk bombs over 100 lbs... if they show any skill they will be able to have more effect but if they show no skill they will have no effect other than be a target..
that is the way it should play out. The "strat" in AH is... the country with the most numbers wins... they have the numbers to steamroll and to drive GV's over to park on enemy runways and the excess players to milkrun HQ's.. The more convoluted and complex the strat..... the more having the most numbers will matter.
lazs
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No, the DA ISN'T it.
The DA, by design is set up as "set piece" matches between individuals or small groups. The fields are matched altitudes, there's no real terrain features, etc., etc.
The MA, whether you like it or not, is a "free for all" where there are essentially no "givens". Engagement fields are not co-alt, there's no telling what sort of aircraft you'll meet, higher or lower or Co-alt.
YOU are postulating that the MA is supposed to be some sort of recreation of WW2. That's ludicrous. Any evaluation of the options made available to players by the company has to come to the conclusion that the MA is most certainly not designed as some reenactment scenario.
The availability of limited design scenarios, the CT and the upcoming TOD further highlights the fact that the MA was never intended to be what you keep crying for and then your falling into dispair when it fails to meet your expectations.
The fuel degradation issue is simply one of a vast imbalance. In no other aspect of the strateegery of the MA is there such a disparity in the effort to degrade versus the effort to resupply. It's undeniable, unless you're totally blind.
So, either the imbalance can be addressed (and I believe it will once they get AH2 online) or the reduction should be limited to 50% so that ALL aircraft in the planeset have a chance to participate in the gameplay. In short, the imbalance has the same effect as a "bug". If you're proclaiming that exploiting a bug is a good thing... well, from you that would not suprise me.
In any event, if you're so interested in online Chess matches, it's pretty clear that degrading troop capability is far more effective in stopping the enemy than any other single factor. Without troops, the amount of enemy fuel is immaterial. Fuel is a red herring in the drive for world conquest. Want to win? Keep the enemy troop capability at zero.
But you choose to ignore that. THERE'S MA "strat".
Toodle. Off with English Kate for another field holiday.
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Why is it EVERY thread on these boards always digress to
A) Porking fuel ruins my way of playing this game.
Along with the same tired old suggestion that the game
B) perk bombs to affect someone ELSES way of playing or never let the fuel hit below 50%?
You cant have it both ways folks.You cant post the most and spam the host asking that changes be made so your happy but at the expence of roughly 50% of the arena And yes I would say half wanna get a reset and half could care less.Im sure this will lead to various insults from those that feel that speak for everyone else and I really dont care.Reread this untill you get it.
"The arena as it is right now will not be changed.AH2 may adress some of these issues,but as it stands right now you can state and endlessly restate your desires and its gonna add up to but 2 things.Jack and shat.And Jack left town."
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Originally posted by lazs2
that is the way it should play out. The "strat" in AH is... the country with the most numbers wins...
No, that's the strat in the Main Arena. The Duelling Arena has none of that nonsense that you guys so despise.
I don't like the current vogue tactic of fuel porkage any more than you do. The difference is that I don't whine to have the game changed. The fuel porkers enjoy porking your fuel back to 25%, and seeing you whine on the BBS. :lol If fuel is unporkable below 50%, you'd be taking away their fun - for which they have paid just as much as you. Just because their fun does not accord with your agenda, why should they be be deprived of it? I'm just saying this because you guys (and you know who you are) are always ready and willing to piss on someone else's chosen style of play and whine for game/map changes to favour your own style of play, despite your self proclamations of being the champions of freedom of choice - bunch of freaking hypocrites that you can be at times.
I want you to be happy. I've suggested the DA for you. I even suggested a dedicated BK/TAS arena - ooops, that got the cold shoulder from Skuzzy. :(:o
Mr. Toad! I read your entire post, and I couldn't tell if you were addressing EDO43 or myself - until I got to "Toodle"! I guess we're only a post or two from a Toad red ink post.
:rofl
Pip! :D
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And what your doing isn't whining about the furballers whining about fuel porking?
Step away from the keyboard Beetle and think about it for a sec please
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hmm... if there were a feature that said that every time I vultched a fighter or bomber on the runway then no bombers or GV's could take off for the next 30 minutes at that field then the bombers and GV guys would be complaining and trying to ruin my fun.
The A bomb would be fun to someone but it would be a little lopsided... lobbying to get it out of the game would not be "ruining" the A bombers fun but addressing an imbalance.
fuel porking takes no skill.. if it takes no skill it should have an equal effect... in other words... it should either have no effect or... should take no skill or time to repair.
soo... either make it so it is allmost invulnerable... or that it never goes below 50% or... that it takes only one fighter landing at the base to restore it all. The fuel porkers idea of fun is not valid. it is too lopsided.
lazs
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Originally posted by sax
And what your doing isn't whining about the furballers whining about fuel porking?
Step away from the keyboard Beetle and think about it for a sec please
Sax! :) Glad you're still reading my posts. No, I'm not whining about fuel porkers. They ARE a pain in the neck, but I was just giving an opposing point of view to what Lazs and Toad were saying. Very often, the wants/needs of would-be strat players are treated with a measure of "let them eat cake" disdain. If I complain about AH gameplay (and there is much to complain about) I will be accused of being a "Generalissimo" by the furballers. But when THEIR gameplay is spoiled by the antics of some players, for example the suicide fuel porkers, the furballers get upset and want to see changes to the game and/or the maps. Well, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. The furballers have long campaigned for the continued freedom of AH players to play the game how they want...
... but now their campaign is qualified thus: Every guy to be able to play how he wants, except if it spoils things for the furballers. In THAT case, we must perk bombs, change strat, modify fuel rebuild times, harden hangars, toughen HQ radar... the list goes on and on.
Lazs - if we're going to remove from the game everything that takes no skill, it would be a much longer list than simply perking fuel porkers' bombs. Other things that require no skill: Vulching, gangbanging, flying an LA7, suicide CV LANC divebomb missions...
Lazs, when people don't like maps, the current advice is to go and design their own map. In your case, I think you should write your own game. I'll do the map for you - three overlapping fields, all at sea level... :p
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it is not that you have to remove everything that takes no skill..... what I do requires very little skill.... No, what needs to be done is....
remove the effect a person with little skill has. My skilless furballing has effects only on the plane I shoot down occassionaly... my lack of skill only effects someone with even less skill. Don't know how to put it any simpler.
I don't need to write a game. Also... don't bother to design a map for me.. fester allready has. mindy isn't bad either.
lazs
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Re-read my post Beetle--my point is in there some where:)
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Hajo posted:
For instance....turn on the puter...initialize Contrl Manager, select my map. Log onto AH......go to tower look at Map....then say
NAWWWWWWWWWW not today, just don't feel like it.
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I only logged on once all weekend! Those that know me also know that you could count on BulzEye being on every day... Well, not any more. After a year of playing and right at the point where I actually feel I was becoming a pretty virtualpilot, I feel I need a break also. Hajo's ( ya ole turk!) scenerio above has been the way I have been "playing" fro the last week or so. Log on, look around, up a plane, turn around and land, log... Things have changed in the last few months in the MA...
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Now....again it's not the game....it's the familiarity with it . Heck....at 54 maybe I'm starting to grow
up...but I seriously doubt it.
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I may be getting old Hajo.. but I refuse to grow up! lol.
FYI all: EDO is my squadmate. Very smart and edumacated guy. Almost always has a funny comeback and almost never has a negative attitude. Between him and Bodhi, I have had to really bone up on my WW2 aircraft stats! I feel his pain as of late and though I will not be closing my account, I will be on a bit less than usual.
When is TOD due out? hehe.. Maybe I will go help beta test it seeing I have a Cadilac puter now... Hmmm.
STRAITEN UP! FLY RIGHT!
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Beetle said "if we're going to remove from the game everything that takes no skill, it would be a much longer list than simply perking fuel porkers' bombs. Other things that require no skill: Vulching, gangbanging, flying an LA7, "
LOL Flying an La7.Good stuff. Ahh face it guys.No game will be the be all for everyone.Ya just gotta find what you like,do it till it isnt fun any more and dont sweat what the other guys does.Even if it effects your game.If that nags at ya do what it takes to return the favor.Go bomb that base's egg ability and stop the madness or fly somewhere else.Im sure the strat guys feel the same way when Troops and ord are dissabled at there field.Ya see.Theres NO special cases.Everyone can make it hard on everyone else.Its just about the point of it all.I know some dissagree with the effect of hitting fuel.Its really no diffrent than porking Ord and troops.All an ends to a means.If your gonna harden fuel then harden ord and troops.It starts to snowball from there and then its outta control.