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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Wolfala on December 05, 2003, 09:45:19 PM
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OK,
Check this out. Someone has been stalking me over AIM for quite some time now - I want to find out who it is. I know that if I direct connect to them, through their IP I can work on identifying them. Question is, i'm running XP pro with nothing special. Is there a piece of software on the market that allows me to check what computers im connected to, etc.
Wolfala
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run, cmd
netstat
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Nojoy - they go through a proxy server i believe - aol that is.
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Perhaps a firewall and they might get bored.
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You have a website that you can access the logs for? Just put up a small page with an interesting name like 'yourmother.htm' and send the URL to him with a comment that will make him check it out (for example, 'While you've been harassing me, I found a picture of you mother: http://website.com/yourmother.htm')
Send the link to him, then check the logs next day. It'll have their IP address. Then just do a 'tracert 155.155.155.155' (put in the IP address you collected) to find out which ISP he's with. There are other things you can look for now that you have that info.
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I hope - conversations at length show that he has the collective intelligence of a house plant.
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Chairboy - that actually is a very very good idea. Leeme see what I can do - as yet I do not have a site up - but gimme an hour.
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Wolfala
Do a Google for "Commview". Should be just the ticket.
T.
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Tumor,
As stated earlier, AIM connections proxy through AOL servers, so Commview wouldn't help. You don't need commview to do something this simple, btw. If the harasser was connecting directly to his computer, all you need to do is type 'netstat' to see all active connects in progress.
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Chair - I tried the DC - but even then I got a proxy. This was both with my brothers machine and another person whos very good with finding ip nfo.
Wolfala
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You put up a webpage for him to click to then checked the logs? If you did, you should almost certainly have his IP address unless he's behind a router, and even then you'll have the IP address of his router, which is enough to track him down.
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I dont have the capability to post up a website - at least not with the admin abilities you specify. Are there services, possib ad-supported that would allow such access's?
Wolfala
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Tumor,
As stated earlier, AIM connections proxy through AOL servers, so Commview wouldn't help. You don't need commview to do something this simple, btw. If the harasser was connecting directly to his computer, all you need to do is type 'netstat' to see all active connects in progress.
Misunderstood... I thought Wolf was going to go direct with the guy. Worked for me on Yahoo anyway.
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Sent you an email through your profile thingie, check it out.
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if u use Linux, GAIM can stop him.
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Why bother? If he's a nuisance report him to AOL and let them handle it.
MiniD
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Good idea, the security department at AOL is waiting with baited breath for you to report this guy. When I think of AOL customer service, I see a group of highly trained security professionals just straining at the leash, just waiting to get the 'GO' signal.
I imagine that if you send them an email reporting this guy, they'll spring into action immediately. I think they have a high tech control center that looks like the Pentagon in War Games, and then when your mail comes, the screens will immediately fill with traceroute information and WHOIS lookups. They'll probably cross reference his account info with local license databases and have a picture of the offender up on the big screen in seconds. "This, gentlemen," the AOL rep will start, "is the enemy. Citizen Wolfala has reported this scum for harrassment. Let's get him!" Local AOL offices will be called, and special AOL Blackhawks will lift off from the helipads on their roofs.
In minutes, AOL shock troopers will slide down zip lines hanging from helicopters and swing in through the guys window with guns drawn. They'll knock down doors to find him, then hold him at gunpoint. "Does the phrase 'TOS violation' mean anything to you, you bastard?" shouts the AOL customer service rep, then kicks him onto his stomach and covers him while another rep puts handcuffs on him. "It's scum like you that drive loyal AOL customers to Earthlink!" he'll spit, then gesture back towards the helicopter with his thumb. "Take him away, boys!"
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or maybe not. Sometimes you can't just cry to mommy. AOL doesn't care about that guy, so use your smarts to actually get something done.
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Sure thing chairboy. And in everyone's rush to help someone that haven't seen, met, don't know discuss a "stalker".... you're more than happy to give him the tools to be a "stalker".
Save the records, report him to AOL.
MiniD
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Whatcha talking about? Wolfala is here, that other guy isn't.
What other criteria for deciding who's in the right can you suggest?
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Good idea, the security department at AOL is waiting with baited breath for you to report this guy. When I think of AOL customer service, I see a group of highly trained security professionals just straining at the leash, just waiting to get the 'GO' signal.
I imagine that if you send them an email reporting this guy, they'll spring into action immediately. I think they have a high tech control center that looks like the Pentagon in War Games, and then when your mail comes, the screens will immediately fill with traceroute information and WHOIS lookups. They'll probably cross reference his account info with local license databases and have a picture of the offender up on the big screen in seconds. "This, gentlemen," the AOL rep will start, "is the enemy. Citizen Wolfala has reported this scum for harrassment. Let's get him!" Local AOL offices will be called, and special AOL Blackhawks will lift off from the helipads on their roofs.
In minutes, AOL shock troopers will slide down zip lines hanging from helicopters and swing in through the guys window with guns drawn. They'll knock down doors to find him, then hold him at gunpoint. "Does the phrase 'TOS violation' mean anything to you, you bastard?" shouts the AOL customer service rep, then kicks him onto his stomach and covers him while another rep puts handcuffs on him. "It's scum like you that drive loyal AOL customers to Earthlink!" he'll spit, then gesture back towards the helicopter with his thumb. "Take him away, boys!"
ROFL!!! Oh man that was funny!!!
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Whatcha talking about? Wolfala is here, that other guy isn't.
What other criteria for deciding who's in the right can you suggest?
Not that involves hearing just one side of the story. Like I said, let AOL handle it. What you've quickly dismissed is the only real option other than blind ignorance.
MiniD
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Jeepers, MiniD, I don't think I can yank yer chain any harder without leaving marks.
Your point is well taken, but I'm a big fan of personal responsibility. I'm not his parent, I'm a peer, and a peer asked for some help with something.
If you take your car to the mechanic to get it fixed and the mechanic said "Well, I can't help you unless I have some assurance you'll never speed or break a traffic law", would that be acceptable?
Finally, my skepticism about AOL support is based on having dealt with them before. I used AOL back when it was called 'Quantum', and I still have some family that use it so I get plenty of opportunities to deal with them. Not only that, but my company makes software that scans IM traffic and I've had to deal with their technical staff too. They're good meaning, but they truly don't have time to really invest in dealing with a complaint like this.
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Let me explain it in more simple terms...
What is obtaining the individual's ip adress going to get him? How is that going to solve the problem?
MiniD
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Actually, you're technically not 'putting it in more simple terms', you're changing the nature of your objection.
Originally, you criticized me for giving assistance because I 'didn't know the other side of the story'. Now, you're essentially asking 'What's the profit of having his IP address?'
Those are two very different tactics, you insult us both when you say 'Let me explain it in more simple terms... '.
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Not really choirboy... and don't avoid the question.
What can he do with the IP adress? Answer that please.
Maybe then you'll start to see what the problem with the "how can I get someone's IP adress... they're harrassing me" logic is. You're just enabling someone to harrass someone that may or may not be harrassing them.
AOL can get the IP adress and deal with it. It is in their best interest and they have before. I do believe you are the one not fully comprehending the importance of internet security and safety in the eyes of AOL.
MiniD
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It's not my responsibility to police the internet. With the steps I gave him, he can get the IP address, figure out the ISP that the person uses, and send a complaint directly to his ISP. He can do this in addition to complaining to AOL as far as I care, the important thing here is that he no longer has a single point of failure. If all he did was complain to AOL, then a single support rep can chuck it out, but if he also emails the ISP directly, then he's doubled his chances that something will happen.
You still didn't address my point about how saying something completely different somehow equals 'putting them more simply', so if I didn't answer your question in my previous post, I'm hardly the only person guilty of that. I answered you here, so I look forward to seeing whether you're up to answering me.
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Righto choirboy. You gave him the ability to do what he could have done anyway.... and what else?
It's not your responsibility to do anything. And you didn't just give him the ability to do any one thing listed.
Think a bit. Or continue not to. Just don't attatch nobility to it. You did not come to anyone's rescue here. You actually may have done more harm than good.
MiniD
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BTW... notice I suggested going to AOL about it... you started ridiculing me. I didn't come in preachy... you did.
MiniD
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Mini D writes
And you didn't just give him the ability to do any one thing listed.
yet Chairboy earlier wrote
You have a website that you can access the logs for? Just put up a small page with an interesting name like 'yourmother.htm' and send the URL to him with a comment that will make him check it out (for example, 'While you've been harassing me, I found a picture of you mother: http://website.com/yourmother.htm')
Send the link to him, then check the logs next day. It'll have their IP address. Then just do a 'tracert 155.155.155.155' (put in the IP address you collected) to find out which ISP he's with.
Bzzzt, wrong answer. Please try again, Mini D. I did give him steps to do what I just said. Reporting him to AOL is fine, but there are layers of response. When the soviets put missiles in cuba, we objected to the UN, but that wasn't the end of it. We also increased our military readiness. Why? Just in case. If you go through life expecting the authorities to take care of everything, you may reach a point where you are disapointed.
If I was worried about people breaking into my house, I could put the police on speed dial. But if I considered that an acceptable replacement for locking my doors and being vigilant, then I'm a fool.
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I'm sorry, if reporting him to AOL is fine, then why the rest? This isn't the cuban missile crisis choirboy... you're not saving lives.
Like I said... stop attatching some sense of nobility here. You didn't help. You simply gave someone the tools to make a bad situation worse without even attempting to make it better.
Don't know how much clearer I can say it choirboy. You're not thinking about the consequences, only the desire to save lives and look good doing it.
MiniD
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I'm not certain where you get this 'nobillity' stuff. I think you're making a straw man argument.
All I did was give Wolfala a way to find out which ISP the harrasser has so he can report the user directly.
Everything else is a red herring of your construction.
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Holy cow gentlemen! Ok, first - AIM is not subject to the AOL's TOS agreement. Therein lies the problem. 2nd, apparently the fella knows everything about me - my goal is to narrow down the search of who it could possibly be - i.e., get the IP, localize it geographically and involve the police from there. There's really not much to it.
But wow, I never thought i'd recieve a response like this. Seriously - thank you!
Wolfala
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Originally posted by Wolfala
Question is, i'm running XP pro with nothing special. Is there a piece of software on the market that allows me to check what computers im connected to, etc.
Any proper firewall (SW&HW) can make logfile of all connections to your PC.
Just save logfiles and send them to the stalkers ISP.
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http://www.arin.net/
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Just a heads up - I bag'd the SOB.
Courtacy of SaintAW: I obtained the following IP information.
Missing Chair IP LOG: 2003-12-10 06:37:24 Ip:172.130.87.218
WHOIS results for 172.130.87.218
Generated by http://www.DNSstuff.com
Country: UNITED STATES
NOTE: More information appears to be available at AOL-NOC-ARIN.
OrgName: America Online
OrgID: AOL
Address: 22000 AOL Way
City: Dulles
StateProv: VA
PostalCode: 20166
Country: US
NetRange: 172.128.0.0 - 172.191.255.255
CIDR: 172.128.0.0/10
NetName: AOL-172BLK
NetHandle: NET-172-128-0-0-1
Parent: NET-172-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: DAHA-01.NS.AOL.COM
NameServer: DAHA-02.NS.AOL.COM
NameServer: DAHA-07.NS.AOL.COM
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: 2000-03-24
Updated: 2003-08-08
TechHandle: AOL-NOC-ARIN
TechName: America Online, Inc.
TechPhone: +1-703-265-4670
TechEmail: domains@aol.net
OrgAbuseHandle: AOL382-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Abuse
OrgAbusePhone: +1-703-265-4670
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@aol.net
OrgNOCHandle: AOL236-ARIN
OrgNOCName: NOC
OrgNOCPhone: +1-703-265-4670
OrgNOCEmail: noc@aol.net
OrgTechHandle: AOL-NOC-ARIN
OrgTechName: America Online, Inc.
OrgTechPhone: +1-703-265-4670
OrgTechEmail: domains@aol.net
# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2003-12-09 19:15
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
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SEEING AS HE IS USING AOL AS HIS NETWORK AND THEN LOGGING ON AIM - I BELIEVE THE TOS APPLIES!!!! As well as law enforcement, FBI, NSA, and the ubiqutious suicide via high powered rifle though a 500 yard long piece of string.
WOLFALA