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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: whoru on December 06, 2003, 09:21:14 AM
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I'm still waiting for AH to come out with a really big bomb... one so big when I drop it from 30k ft I can see the explosion. It wouldn't have to be like an Atomic bomb, just one large enough to blow up half of a small base. Of corse the only plane that would be able to carry it would be a plane like the C47... no guns... fly's very slow... easy to take out.
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Milkrunners can dream too, I suppose. :D
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like this?
(http://www.bismarck-class.dk/tirpitz/miscellaneous/tallboy/pictures/bombscompared2.jpg)
These massive bombs designed by Dr. Barnes Wallis reached the speed of sound during descent being streamlined and equipped with angled fins that produced a rapid spin. Penetrating the ground before exploding they worked by setting off shock waves that would bring down nearby structures. The 5,443 kg (12,000 lb) "Tall Boy" dropped from 6,096m (20,000 feet) made a 24 meter (80 feet) deep crater 30 meter (100 feet) across and could go through 4.88 meter 16 feet of concrete. On 8-9 June, 1944 eight Lancaster bombers of No. 617 Squadron used the deep penetration "Tall Boy" bomb in an attack against the Saumur Rail Tunnel. The new weapon proved its worth but at the cost of losing 5 of the 8 bombers on this mission. Eventually 854 Tallboy bombs were used, the most note-worthy mission resulting in the destruction of the battleship Tirpitz (77 were dropped in three attacks).
The "Tall Boy" bomb was the second biggest bomb used in WWII.
(http://www.bismarck-class.dk/tirpitz/miscellaneous/tallboy/pictures/grandslam.jpg)
(notice the man next to it)
The "Grand Slam" (Earthquake) bomb was of the same design as the Tallboy but larger and heavier weighing 9,979 kg (22,000 lb). The Grand Slam was first used on 14 March, 1945 when a force of Lancaster bombers led by Royal Air Force Squadron Leader C.C. Calder attacked the Bielefeld railway viaduct destroying two spans. In another attack against submarine pens (Bunker Valentin) near Bremen two Grand Slams pentrated 4,5 meters of reinforced concrete. 41 Grand Slam Bombs were dropped by the end of the war mainly against bridges and viaducts.
The "Grand Slam" is the biggest conventional bomb ever made.
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yep and if you notice guys british made too:) and fifty years before the americans used a 20000lbs bomb in the middle east .
:aok
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exactly.... a really hugh bomb
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But you actually need to drop it from 30k, else you would blow up with it while flying over it :D
Some kind of special targets would be cool too, like dams (operation Chastice) You will need to load your lanc with a special bomb or something like it which is perked so you can destroy it.
Has a nice ring to it :)
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Did we use MOAB in operations allready? BTW America had a 40,000lbs bomb or so somtime in the 1950s.. I saw the thing at Aberdeen. HUGE!
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Aberdeen Scotland Grun? I used to live there in highschool for a while.
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actually even our current 4k bomb would make a bloody big explosion if they made the explosion thingy better (right now its just a blown up version of what you get when you shoot the ground with your mg)
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The whole point of have'n a really big bomb, is getting it to the base. So to give the other side a chance it's only fair that the bomber has no guns to defend with.... or a guns in really bad spot
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What we need is a doomsday device.
(http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/10/25/strangelove.jpg)
-Sik
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Originally posted by TheManx
Aberdeen Scotland Grun? I used to live there in highschool for a while.
Aberdeen Maryland. Place called Aberdeen Proving Grounds (APG) it's a big armor musem and US Army tank testing center, for some reason they had this massive bomb there.
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Originally posted by Sikboy
What we need is a doomsday device.
(http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/10/25/strangelove.jpg)
-Sik
Mein Fuhrer! Oh, pardon me..
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Originally posted by whoru
The whole point of have'n a really big bomb, is getting it to the base. So to give the other side a chance it's only fair that the bomber has no guns to defend with.... or a guns in really bad spot
Makes you wonder how about winning a war.......
.....guns in a bad spot :lol
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Originally posted by frank3
Makes you wonder how about winning a war.......
.....guns in a bad spot :lol
Ya guns in really bad spot... like... uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... on the wheels (wheels would fall off after take-off to prevent a safe landing on return) :rofl
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:confused: is it just me or did no such plane really exist..........
The lancaster MK I special was the one i belive that could caryy the grand slam............i think it would be great to add
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I dunno, the Lanc's 4000 lb bomb, or the Stuka's 1800 kg bomb are both pretty devastating. Dropping one in one of the big cities takes out like three blocks.
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Neat thing about the Tall boy and its big brother the Grand Slam was that as earthquake bombs they were only truely effective when dropped over 18,000 ft above target.
This was required to gain the velocity to enable the thing to penetrate deep into the ground before exploding.
The tall boy (12000llbs)was dropped from lower altitudes (eg against the Tirpitz) here it was used for accuracy and shell casing damage reasons over coupled cookies.
Lancs and Halifaxes often carried coupled cookies. These were 8,000llb and 12,000llb HE bombs made up of multiple 4,000lb cookies. We have the 4,000lb cookie in AH now just not available in the 8000llb and 12000llb load out options.
The Tall Boy actually fittied in side the bomb bay of a modified lanc and so graphically could be easily reproduced in AH.
The Grand Slam was slung underneath a heavily modified and stripped down lanc.
If we ever get perked bomb load outs then the Tall boy with its +18,000 ft to be truely effective limitation would be approriate IMO. Especially if we ever get submarines and submarine pens.
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Or something of the "upkeep" or "highball"
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Originally posted by frank3
But you actually need to drop it from 30k, else you would blow up with it while flying over it :D
Has a nice ring to it :)
Yes, and if you die before the bomb detonates yolose the perks as wel as the would-be momb-damage.
Sucks to be you, Suiciders :lol
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Originally posted by Sikboy
What we need is a doomsday device.
(http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/10/25/strangelove.jpg)
-Sik
Final scenes best ten minutes of film ever made. :D - We also need to be able to ride the bomb down...
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Originally posted by Tilt
The tall boy (12000llbs)was dropped from lower altitudes (eg against the Tirpitz) here it was used for accuracy and shell casing damage reasons over coupled cookies.
Lancs and Halifaxes often carried coupled cookies. These were 8,000llb and 12,000llb HE bombs made up of multiple 4,000lb cookies. We have the 4,000lb cookie in AH now just not available in the 8000llb and 12000llb load out options.
Cookies have a Charge to weight ratio of around 75%, whereas tallboy and grand slam was something more like 25% - 30%.
This is because cookies were made to flatten houses/buildings over a wide area, whereas the grand slam and tallboy literally used an earthquake to destroy targets.
Have both 12k cookie and grand slam where i work, pretty damn impressive.
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How about the Pe-8 with it's 5000Kg bomb. It should do quite a bang.;)
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Originally posted by bigUC
Final scenes best ten minutes of film ever made. :D - We also need to be able to ride the bomb down...
10,000 bomber perk points and your handle is retired after the drop (which would cause a reset as the country you drop on would be considered totally destroyed)
But you can shout yeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaa ahhhhhh on channel 1 before dissapearing into the oblivion you would have so richly earned.
Just thought...........
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Sucks to be you, Suiciders :lol
Do kamikaze attacks even work in ah?
I don't do it much, but do hangars etc get weaker if you crash on 'em?
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No, he's on about people who bomb cvs with lancs and don't even think about trying to get away.
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Yeah, but do kamikaze attacks even damage the targets?
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if they drop their bombs,yes
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Bring on the Bomb :aok
(http://www.indelibleinc.com/kubrick/films/strangelove/images/kingkong.jpg)
But you can shout yeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaa ahhhhhh on channel 1 before dissapearing into the oblivion you would have so richly earned.
The Bombride Yell (http://www.indelibleinc.com/kubrick/films/strangelove/audio/scream2.wav)
(http://wso.williams.edu/~mhacker/Strangelove/kongdrop.jpg)
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What movie is that?
It looks older then I am. :D
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Originally posted by AVRO1
What movie is that?
:eek:
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enjoy, then go an rent/buy it. Should be available in any decent videostore:
Kong busily works to splice two wires together. He finishes and then attaches an alligator clip to a patch panel above his head. The bomb doors open. He grabs his stetson to keep it from blowing away in the sudden slipstream.
Kong:
Aaaaaa hooooo! Aaaaaaaa hooooo! the bomb is dropped, and Kong along with it
Bombardier:
Hey, what about Major Kong?
Kong:
Aaaaaa hoooo! Waaaaa hooooo! Kong rides the bomb in its falling arc waving his hat over his head, celebrating his success in ecstatic rodeo style. On reaching the ground, the bomb detonates.
Cut to: int. War Room
Strangelove:
Executes an about face from the big board to face the camera. Mr. President, I would not rule out the chance to preserve a nucleus of human specimens. It would be quite easy... heh heh... rolls forward into the light at the bottom of ah ... some of our deeper mineshafts. The radioactivity would never penetrate a mine some thousands of feet deep. And in a matter of weeks, sufficient improvements in dwelling space could easily be provided.
Muffley:
How long would you have to stay down there?
Strangelove:
Well let's see now ah, searches within his lapel cobalt thorium G. notices circular slide rule in his gloved hand aa... nn... Radioactive halflife of uh,... hmm.. I would think that uh... possibly uh... one hundred years. On finishing his calculations, he pulls the slide rule roughly from his gloved hand, and returns it to within his jacket.
Muffley:
You mean, people could actually stay down there for a hundred years?
Strangelove:
It would not be difficult mein Fuhrer! Nuclear reactors could, heh... I'm sorry. Mr. President. Nuclear reactors could provide power almost indefinitely. Greenhouses could maintain plantlife. Animals could be bred and slaughtered. A quick survey would have to be made of all the available mine sites in the country. But I would guess... that ah, dwelling space for several hundred thousands of our people could easily be provided.
Strangelove:
Well, that would not be necessary Mr. President. It could easily be accomplished with a computer. And a computer could be set and programmed to accept factors from youth, health, sexual fertility, intelligence, and a cross section of necessary skills. Of course it would be absolutely vital that our top government and military men be included to foster and impart the required principles of leadership and tradition. Slams down left fist. Right arm rises in stiff Nazi salute. Arrrrr! Restrains right arm with left. Naturally, they would breed prodigiously, eh? There would be much time, and little to do. But ah with the proper breeding techniques and a ratio of say, ten females to each male, I would guess that they could then work their way back to the present gross national product within say, twenty years.
Muffley:
But look here doctor, wouldn't this nucleus of survivors be so grief stricken and anguished that they'd, well, envy the dead and not want to go on living?
Strangelove:
No sir... Right arm rolls his wheelchair backwards. Excuse me. Struggles with wayward right arm, ultimately subduing it with a beating from his left.
Also when... when they go down into the mine everyone would still be alive. There would be no shocking memories, and the prevailing emotion will be one of nostalgia for those left behind, combined with a spirit of bold curiosity for the adventure ahead! Ahhhh! Right are reflexes into Nazi salute. He pulls it back into his lap and beats it again. Gloved hand attempts to strangle him.
Turgidson:
Doctor, you mentioned the ration of ten women to each man. Now, wouldn't that necessitate the abandonment of the so called monogamous sexual relationship, I mean, as far as men were concerned?
Strangelove:
Regrettably, yes. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious... service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature