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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: loser on December 07, 2003, 07:04:49 PM
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:eek:
http://www.eagames.com/official/battlefield/1942/us/home.jsp#
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Awesome video, some errors though.
(1) U.S. did not use UH-1 in 1965
(2) VietCong did not use Mi-24 Hind in 1965
(3)UH-1 could not pick up a river patrol boat
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yeah, but jetpacks werent too common in WW2 either.
:)
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(1) U.S. did not use UH-1 in 1965
Incorrect. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/uh-1-history.htm[
(2) VietCong did not use Mi-24 Hind in 1965
It's not an Mi-24. It's an Mi-8. http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Rotary/Soviet/HE19G1.htm
(3)UH-1 could not pick up a river patrol boat
Sure they can, haven't you seen Apocalypse Now? A Huey can lift something like 6,000 lbs while a river boat weighs between 3,000 and 4,000 lbs.
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0WN3D.
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and marlon brando weighs an easy 6000 pounds
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Brando required a CH-47. They made it look like a huey with special effects.
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Originally posted by wklink
Brando required a CH-47. They made it look like a huey with special effects.
LOL! That one really brought a snicker to my office on a Monday morning.:p
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They should put a Thud or a Mig-17 or Mig-21 that'd be uber cool . All we need is some MJ some LSD and we're back in Nam baby.
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heh heh heh, davidpt40...
already answered but I'll bet the boys that went into
The Ia Drang Valley in November of '65 would disagree.
Don't you ever go to the movies?
;) :D
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I was under the impression the H34 was the main helicopter for the U.S. in 1965.
And theoretically a UH-1 might be able to carry a PBR, but from all accounts I've read, it had a hard time lifting 8 troops on a hot and humid day.
And just for the record, the VietCong didnt have any helicopters. Believe that would be the NVA.
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And theoretically a UH-1 might be able to carry a PBR, but from all accounts I've read, it had a hard time lifting 8 troops on a hot and humid day.
When you say 'all accounts', do you mean 'one account that you made up based on what you assumed'?
The Huey was ground breaking for many reasons, including how relatively overpowered it was. It was a flying tractor, and still is.
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Well, from all accounts, I was a UH-1H crewchief for 5 years and I say your full of chit. During Desert Storm we regularly carried 8 with rucks plus me, a gunner, guns, ammo, survival kits with no problem. Huey really only gets into trouble when it gets in high altitudes and the temp is relatively high. Tends to run out of tail rotor authority. Running summer missions into the Cascades to hoist out mountain climbers and other tards was always an adventure.
That being said, the Huey's cargo hook is rated for *way* more than it could ever be expected to carry. You would have to really strip the inside and run on an ultra low fuel load to hope to get even close to the hooks max capacity. You might be able to carry 4,000 lbs, but you won't have anything inside, to include armament and crewchief.
Internal loads are much easier to get aloft than external loads. You can do a running takeoff, just skimming the ground until you reach the point of translational lift, where the rotor disk moves into undisturbed air. Then the rotor system becomes much more efficient and you're able to lift more. This isn't possible with an external load.
Huey was and is a damn good bird. I still miss flying on them. But the Blackhawk is leaps and bounds better.
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DavidPT40,
This serves as official notice that you have been pwned by Raubvogel.
That is all.
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When you say 'all accounts', do you mean 'one account that you made up based on what you assumed'?
I'm going on two seperate accounts. Just show me a picture of a UH-1 carrying a PBR and I will believe you.
Well, from all accounts, I was a UH-1H crewchief for 5 years and I say your full of chit.
The UH-1H has WAY more horsepower than the UH-1B. I say you have never even been on a helicopter. Show some proof that you really were a crewchief.
UH-1H:Lycoming T-53-L-13
Single turbine
1,400 horsepower
UH-1B:The HU-1B followed, which with a 960-horsepower T53-L-5 engine accommodated eight passengers on three stretchers.
Forgot to add: Iraq has very low humidity, Vietnam very high. So even if the UH-1B and UH-1H had the same engine, they would produce different amounts of power in different environments.
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davidpt40, if Raub shows proof will you leave and never come back?
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Don't need that stuff all over the intardnet
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Ding !!!
Raubvogel
I wonder if he wants to try for another aircraft ive got HC / AC-130's, WC 135's, HH-53's, and T 39's on my DD 214
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Well, I've also got AH-1G, AH-1S, OH-58A/C, OH-58D, UH-60A, UH-60L, AH-64A, so I think we got it covered. I've only got about 2,500 hours of flying on Army rotary wing aircraft, so I might not know what I'm talking about.
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I must agree with dave and call "BS!" on this. A Huey's max takeoff weight is around 9,200 lbs for the Bravo model. Even less if its been banged up. An unloaded PBR, without combat equipment (radios, armor, weapons, fuel, etc...) and ready for sling-loading weighed 14,230 lbs according to US Navy spec for the PBR Mk I. The PBR Mk II had a hoist weight of 16,000 lbs, nearly twice the weight of a max-loaded Huey. A UH-1H has a max TO weight of 10,000 lbs, while the B-212 (twin Huey) has a max TO weight of 11,200 lbs. Still not enough to lift even a PBR Mk I. Only the CH-46/CH-47 have enough horsepower to haul either mark of PBR. Even the Blackhawk falls over a ton short of being able to lift a PBR Mk I.
References:
http://www.rivervet.com/pbrs.htm
http://www.bellhelicopter.textron.com
http://www.sikorsky.com
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the good old HH-53 would probely do it . and i know the marine CH-53 would
(http://www.biic.de/aviation-museum/helis/country/usa/images/154_1.jpg)
Engine: 2 x General Electric T64-GE-412 2926kW
Rotor diameter: 22.02m
Fuselage lenght: 20.5m
Height: 7.6m
Start mass: 19050kg
Empty mass: 10650kg Max. speed: 315kph
Cruise speed: 278kph
Range: 2075km
Dynamic ceiling: 6220km
Max. payload inside: 3710kg
Max. payload outside: 9070kg = 20,000 lbs
max. TO weight is 41,000 lbs
the PBR weighs 14,230 lbs
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Re-read my posts....*slowly* this time. I never once said that the UH-1 could lift a PBR. Hell, the cargo hook isn't even rated for it. But 8 troops? Hell yeah.
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I could have sworn I saw a Huey carrying a PBR at the beginning of Apocalypse Now, can anyone with a better memory remember the specific type of boat? Maybe it wasn't a PBR.
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Very good Raub. I guess you really are who you said you were.
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Is that is, davidpt40? Do you just get off for free?
You accuse him of being a fraud so you can bolster your argument, then when he shows you proof that you were wrong, you just say 'ok then' without apologizing?
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Chairboy, I do believe you are insane.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
I could have sworn I saw a Huey carrying a PBR at the beginning of Apocalypse Now, can anyone with a better memory remember the specific type of boat? Maybe it wasn't a PBR.
I once saw a giant Shark bite Robert Shaw in half, yet two years later he was fighting Nazis.
I don't know what they did in Apocolypse Now, but the numbers seem to indicate that it couldn't happen. That could have just been the fiberglass shell they hoisted I suppose.
-Sik
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Originally posted by davidpt40
Chairboy, I do believe you are insane.
congrats Chair! I've been called insane as well. An honor!
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Just one more bit of info-
From the accounts I read of UH-1s having trouble lifting 8 troops (with equipment on a hot humid day), the pilot said he had to "Get a running start". This meant he had to actually slide the helicopter on the grass to get airspeed up a little bit before he could get enough lift to fly.
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Gosh Davidpt40,
Are you sure you're talking about something some other pilot told you? Or is your 'memory' from something Raubvogel said in this same thread?
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I think the word for today is Masochist.
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Kinda screwed up with "hot and humid". Hot and dry, hot and high, hot dry and high would all make it worse. Humidity wouldn't. A hot day in the cascades or the sierras would definately impact virtually anything relying on lift. I got a heavy dose of this landing at Reno in August in a C-5.
MiniD
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the PRB in Apocalypse Now must have been engineless if you notice as it droped it didnt do a tail dive ... one would think with twin diesels ....
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I will have to talk with my father in law since he flew Hueys and Huey Gunships with the 1st Cavalry in VietNam for 2 tours. And get some more information on the UH-1's and gunships he flew.
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
the PRB in Apocalypse Now must have been engineless if you notice as it droped it didnt do a tail dive ... one would think with twin diesels ....
Haven't taken physics yet? From altitude, it would matter (given enough time), but not from a lower level. Weight does not cause one end to fall faster... other things do, but weight doesn't.
MiniD
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I haven't seen it yet, however, it depends on the actual weight variance from both ends and the altitude at which it was dropped.
If it was dropped in a "level" orientation at, say, 2000 feet, then as velocity increased, the drag and wind resistance would indeed push the lighter, less dense end up.
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It was dropped pretty low... no more than 100 feet... more like 30. Below a helocopter where most of your wind force is going to be downward, not upward.
MiniD
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I just thought it looked like a cool game. EA has never really been known for realism anyway :(
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Game of the Year again?
Patch LOMAC.
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Did It ever cross anybodies mind that Apocalypse Now was just a movie LOL.
yhey have been known to use special effects you know.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by mrblack
Did It ever cross anybodies mind that Apocalypse Now was just a movie LOL.
yhey have been known to use special effects you know.:rolleyes:
And a few of us were trying to figure out how they did that particular special effect.
-Sik
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Well since Apocalypse Now is 1979 vintage ... there wasnt as near as much computer generated effects (if there was any at all in this movie)
Id say it was the gutted out boat . probely the same one they loaded all the camera's on for the on boat scene's ,or a spare .
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
Id say it was the gutted out boat .
Yeah, that's what I said too.
-Sik
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you guys got into an argument about an arcade game.
good job
and im definitely buying vietnam. that looks sick.
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we wernt arguing... we were disscussing the boat drop scene in Apocalypse Now.
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Who cares.. EA sucks.