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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: ramzey on December 07, 2003, 10:56:13 PM
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Hurricane mk2D
som more?
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MA or overall?
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Havent flown IID this TOD
but have killed tigers with the 40mm Vickers S Cannons.
It is a hard plane to get used to.
It will chew Panzers apart, 5-6 kill sorties against MkIVs are easy.
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overall
MA: Kate, SDB, VAL, hurri 2d
SEA : hurri 2d ( i not remember we ever use him, even when he was avilible i chose something else)
strange i try him last night, 3 hits on to ostie and nothing, range < 400y
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How do we define 'useless'?
Do the planes that are competitive, but see less/no usage qualify as 'useless'? If in that case:
1) all fighters besides;
SpitV, SpitIX, N1K2-J - best balanced qualities of maneuverability and speed
Bf109G-10, Fw190D-9 - best of the numerous variants, assuring survival
P-51D, Typhoon, P-47D-30, P-38L - best of the variants, and/or best multi-purpose
La-7 - excellent local A2A engagement machine
SeafireII, F6F-5 - best and easiest carrier planes
All the rest of the fighters, are virtually unused in current circumstances.
2) All special role/ground attack aircraft
Who needs these when a single fighter carries almost double their ordnance?
3) All bombers
No use at all, except for dealing with CV threats
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useless beucose its not able to full fill primary duty for he was design- killing armour
As we know mk2d had universal wing to carry 2x 40mm AT guns or 8x A-G rockets. So far its good only to destroy light armoured car and truck based carriers. Excluded ostwind.
But same can be done by 20mm equiped planes. Even 0,303 should be able to do it
In AH world hurricane mk2 have no place to show his valuable sides.
Most of all other planes can give you pice of chance to destroy/kill enemy. Hurri , except couple "lucki" examples - not.
Im wonder what for HTC bother yourself modeling this plane?
Is no purpose for this model to exist.
Kate, val can be explaind as planes need for historical events. Cuz they have historical planeset as oposition.
Hurrican has not. Our panzer is later version, no early PZII, III (and versions). Hit from 500y even not damamge ostwind. (of course here a lot depends from connection)
SO what for he exist? just for be here?
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Hurry IID will plonk through the Panzie easily.
Useless, hmmmm, in the MA, Ju87? Kate? Val? Boston? C202? SBD? Spit I? 109E?
In Special arenas or CT? Nothing is useless :)
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most dont use the 2d correctly.. if you fire all guns at once at a panzer your missing, you will see hit flashes but your cannons will be missing...only fire the cannons and you can take out panzer with 1 or 2 shots easy..30deg angle is best... but stright down is a killer shot..
bish most usless plane ...all except p51 la7 and typhoon
knight most usless plane ...c47
rook most usless plane...all of the above
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Originally posted by SELECTOR
bish most usless plane ...all except p51 la7 and typhoon
knight most usless plane ...c47
rook most usless plane...all of the above
:lol
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Originally posted by ramzey
Most useless planes in AH
Wow!! how funny you asked!!! just thought about that yesterday evening!!!
Well I'd say the BostonIII and the A20 are very useless.
Low bombload and very vunerable for enemy fire (especially the boston sucks in defensive gunnery)
They are fast tho, but ordnance load is too low.
Also the B5N seems pretty useless to me.
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careful, the A20 can out dive and out turn more planes that you'd expect :)
P51s are not the most effective jabo planes. Most carrier based US rides can carry the same or more ordnance to target. F4U-4 best strike A/C in the game bar none IMO in terms of climb, speed, dive and armor.
Regards,
Gainsie
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actually the reason the hurri2d is useless is because its 40mm damage model is porked (10 hits on almost any plane to bring it down...should be closer to 1 or 2) also the 40mm should be firing in unison...the pilots would dive down from about 4k level off point there plane at the enemy tank and shoot 2 pairs of 40mm (guns were angled at 0degrees) then they would break off and go after another tank...
the kate and val are the most useless
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Originally posted by frank3
Well I'd say the BostonIII and the A20 are very useless.
Low bombload and very vunerable for enemy fire (especially the boston sucks in defensive gunnery)
Nothing useless about the A20... it carries 4K of bombs, how is that low? It also has six nose mounted .50s... a lot of guys have found that combination very useful.
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A20 is far from useless.
kate might be,but I bounced a guy in it once,dove in,flew under him, opened up on his f4fs belly from 50 yards out.didnt kill him but I stuck on his arse like glue laughing mine off the whole time. :rofl He is using evasive manuevers against a plane with no guns.
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amazed noone has stated the C.202
though in an experianced pilots hands it's far from usless.
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yours and the one your wingman is in when i shoot you down.
:D
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Originally posted by Shane
yours and the one your wingman is in when i shoot you down.
:D
As predictable as gas after a mexican fiesta. :lol
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Originally posted by Arlo
As predictable as gas after a mexican fiesta. :lol
pot or kettle?
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who let shane escape from the cage? ;)
back to topic
a20 is not useless, if even me can shoot down 190 on it ;) not count hundreds of gv's killed by a20
bostons, kate, val are usable for many scenario, of course not for MA
hurrican is not used on SEA, and rarely on MA
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Originally posted by Shane
pot or kettle?
I don't feel the need to measure my peepee every 30 seconds. It's there. It works fine. If others either fear it or desire it, they can make it known. :D
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I found JB 73's vitural girl to be the most interesting thing I saw so far in this thread :O
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don't think it's a need to measure as much as wag and bump it against others' faces for their reaction.
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Ok, I take that A20 back, but Boston is still in my list
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Originally posted by vorticon
actually the reason the hurri2d is useless is because its 40mm damage model is porked (10 hits on almost any plane to bring it down...should be closer to 1 or 2) also the 40mm should be firing in unison...
To do some damage on planes, there has to be something else as well than just a block of lead with low ROF.
I don't know whether 40mm rounds used by Hurri IID has explosives in them or not...
However it its any close to brits 2pdr logic, which didn't have any explosives in the AP rounds, it'd be rather ineffective against planes if no critical areas gets in the line of fire.
However its funny how hispano rounds at least used to be on regular basis capable to rip off pieces with 1-2 hits from planes... for their relatively low explosives load (and early spits with hispanos had only 'ball' rounds for the hispanos!)
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In the SEA, F4U-1C and LA7. They never get in the set. I cant recall seeing the D11 much but admittedly, I have been out of the picture for a while.
In the MA, I guess all of them fill some sort of niche for "someone", but talot of the early war planes are just cut bait.
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Originally posted by moot
don't think it's a need to measure as much as wag and bump it against others' faces for their reaction.
Was it good for you? :lol
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Most useless plane for me:
The one I'm in. :p
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sure was, he ate it. how's it working for you? is that what the mask protects from?
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Wagged it in your face then he ate it?
Back away from the crackpipe, moot. :rofl
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this is where the metaphor ends, keep going if you want...
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Your take on it. Your shortcoming. Ahem. ;)
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not in the mood.
maybe another time.
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Ok .... just don't keep posting how not in the mood you are and how you're not going to post back over and over again. ;)
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Originally posted by Gloves
Most useless plane for me:
The one I'm in. :p
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_68_1065452790.jpg)