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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Eagler on December 09, 2003, 07:46:05 AM
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Gore to Endorse Dean, Not Lieberman, for White House (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=1&u=/nm/20031209/ts_nm/politics_gore_dc)
anybody else watch goron stammer through his "endorsement" ?
what a joke ...
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Yet another crack in what's left of the Dems.
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This is surely the best thing that could happen to Bush.
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Like Lieberman ever had a chance to get elected as a president in USA...
miko
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Proof that God is on Bush's side.;)
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I'll take Dean and the points.
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Comedy Gold
Anyone ever notice Leiberman's voice sounds identical to that cartoon dog "Droopy" ? My friends kids were watching cartoons one day and man, its spot on! lol
(http://www.leconcombre.com/droopy/img/watchit_droopy.gif)
Cute film clip with voice (its in center of page, click it)
http://www.leconcombre.com/droopy/droopy-1.html
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He sound's more like Elmer Fudd.
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So the guy who got more votes for President than anyone else last election.. by 500,000, endorses the Democratic front runner. Woohoo... comedy gold... yee haaa.
I predict Bush has about 4 more months to deliver the goods on his WMD claims. If not he'll pull a George I trick and loose a 90% approval rating in one term. Then President Dean will take over.
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Will Gore, while announcing his support for Dean, take credit for inventing the Democratic Party? Or just helping fund it by selling nights in the Lincoln Bedroom to everyone with an extra buck? I am sure the Chinese loved Gore as Clinton, never found politicians that could be bought so easy.
dago
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Then President Dean will take over.
What about Weazley ClarK? VP?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I'll take Dean and the points.
3 months of AH sound good?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I'll take Dean and the points.
You got action:)
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BTW....and remember, you heard it from Rude himself....Edwards will be the next Democrat nominee for President....he is Bill Clinton wearing a different face.
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I'm opposed to Dean, there I said it. Of all the elections I have followed in this country 1992, 1996 and 2000 Dean is the first serious level candidate from any of the parties that I really dont like and definitely dont want to see in the white house. He seems to think that more taxes and more regulation mandated higher wages and (possibly) more protectionsm will fix the economy and create jobs. That has never happened, not once. I can see how he is an appealing canditate to the democratic voters, hes agressive and pricipaled and gives a poweful mesaage but his economics are historically disaster for a rebounding economy like ours is at this stage.
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My brother likes dean and he is no idiot, but dean is.
this is gore attempting to steal the democratic party away from the clintons (who have effectively destroyed it). The clintons have made no secret about their desires for the white house in 08 and the democratic party is becomming increasingly hostile towards the inbreds from arkansas acting like they are the holy grail of democratic socialism. They are nothing but rot that has decimated the old democratics party and gave its electorate, the conservative democrats to the republicans in power.
Also,
Bush is finally beginiing to talk and act like a seasoned president. Per remarks made today with China about Taiwan.
The worst, absolute worst thing this nation could do right now is put a spoiled immature brat from vermont without nary a clue in the oval office. I do not believe that will happen, but who knows.
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GRUNHERZ: He seems to think that more taxes and more regulation mandated higher wages and (possibly) more protectionsm will fix the economy and create jobs. That has never happened, not once.
It's not important what has happened but what people believe has happened.
Most people believe that it was laws and union policies that raised wages, protectionist tariffs that created jobs and foreign wars that protected liberty.
Being a democrat but repeating Bush's slogans - how could he go wrong? Just imagine his presidential debate with Bush - every accusation Bush can level at him will be thrown right back into Bush's face - and he get's standard "caring points" just for being a democrat.
miko
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Originally posted by Eagler
3 months of AH sound good?
"and the points"... explain your bet sir.
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Originally posted by Yeager
this is gore attempting to steal the democratic party away from the clintons (who have effectively destroyed it). The clintons have made no secret about their desires for the white house in 08 and the democratic party is becomming increasingly hostile towards the inbreds from arkansas acting like they are the holy grail of democratic socialism. They are nothing but rot that has decimated the old democratics party and gave its electorate, the conservative democrats to the republicans in power.
I totally agree.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Yeager
The worst, absolute worst thing this nation could do right now is put a spoiled immature brat from vermont without nary a clue in the oval office.
...as opposed to a spoiled immature brat from Texas.
Mmmm... okay.
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Originally posted by Dago
Will Gore, while announcing his support for Dean, take credit for inventing the Democratic Party? Or just helping fund it by selling nights in the Lincoln Bedroom to everyone with an extra buck? I am sure the Chinese loved Gore as Clinton, never found politicians that could be bought so easy.
dago
Kinda like how the insurance, drug, logging and military industrial companies have found the ease that this president can and has been bought...huh?
It's a two edged sword that the RW is much more proficient at weilding.
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last war texas faught was against republicans.
next one also.
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Sandman_SBM: ...as opposed to a spoiled immature brat from Texas.
It's not about individuals but about the cabals.
miko
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this is gore attempting to steal the democratic party away from the clintons (who have effectively destroyed it).
Funny chit.
Clinton destroyed the Democratic party by ... uhm, by maintaining the highest approval rating over an 8 year term in the last 50 years? Yea... that did it.
No wait... it was that dratted fake economic boom.... you remember it. the longest in our history.... that killed those pesky dems.
Orrrrr maybe it was those policemen who kept having less and less to do over the Clinton terms.... you know with less crime to fight. I bet Clinton used them to kill the democratic party... the inscrutable bastage!!
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Funny chit.
Clinton destroyed the Democratic party by ... uhm, by maintaining the highest approval rating over an 8 year term in the last 50 years? Yea... that did it.
No wait... it was that dratted fake economic boom.... you remember it. the longest in our history.... that killed those pesky dems.
Orrrrr maybe it was those policemen who kept having less and less to do over the Clinton terms.... you know with less crime to fight. I bet Clinton used them to kill the democratic party... the inscrutable bastage!!
hmm
that's why they rushed out to keep a handsomehunkcrat in office in '00 and again in '02
that bet is - Dean is Prez in 04 i pay 3 months of ur AH, when Bush wins- you pay mine ... deal?
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Sorry, not gonna bet without odds.
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Originally posted by Eagler
hmm
that's why they rushed out to keep a handsomehunkcrat in office in '00 and again in '02
ell more of "THEM" voted for Gore than for Bush... remember that?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
ell more of "THEM" voted for Gore than for Bush... remember that?
sry, I've never believed that ... too much funny biz at the polls
02 had that stuff under control and you see what happened
if goron "really" won in 00, wouldn't there have been a landslide of dem victorys in 02? instead we had just the opposite .. go figure
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You dont believe that Gore got more votes then Bush?
Its a fasinating algorithm that the attorny general of Florida insisted on to decide if a voter should be barred from voting for a previos conviction of a felony.
If there was an ex felon named Jones. and your name was Jones. Then your vote was counted if you were white. But rejected if you where black. Even if felon Jones was white...
The white vs black comparison over rode all other factors including the exact spelling of the name.
Over 90 000 blacks that were never felons had thier votes discarded for that reason. Many of them lost thier votes for felonys comitted by whites.
Of course many white felons had thier votes counted.
Course the lady that arranged that little gem now works for the Washington line of the family instead of the Florida line of the family. She will likey have to serve as chief electoral officer in Iraq.
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http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html
LMFAO
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Originally posted by Pongo
You dont believe that Gore got more votes then Bush?
Its a fasinating algorithm that the attorny general of Florida insisted on to decide if a voter should be barred from voting for a previos conviction of a felony.
If there was an ex felon named Jones. and your name was Jones. Then your vote was counted if you were white. But rejected if you where black. Even if felon Jones was white...
The white vs black comparison over rode all other factors including the exact spelling of the name.
Over 90 000 blacks that were never felons had thier votes discarded for that reason. Many of them lost thier votes for felonys comitted by whites.
Of course many white felons had thier votes counted.
Course the lady that arranged that little gem now works for the Washington line of the family instead of the Florida line of the family. She will likey have to serve as chief electoral officer in Iraq.
BS
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Originally posted by Pongo
You dont believe that Gore got more votes then Bush?
Its a fasinating algorithm that the attorny general of Florida insisted on to decide if a voter should be barred from voting for a previos conviction of a felony.
If there was an ex felon named Jones. and your name was Jones. Then your vote was counted if you were white. But rejected if you where black. Even if felon Jones was white...
The white vs black comparison over rode all other factors including the exact spelling of the name.
Over 90 000 blacks that were never felons had thier votes discarded for that reason. Many of them lost thier votes for felonys comitted by whites.
Of course many white felons had thier votes counted.
Course the lady that arranged that little gem now works for the Washington line of the family instead of the Florida line of the family. She will likey have to serve as chief electoral officer in Iraq.
A classic!
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That's what's scary about people like him. He honestly believes that.
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Its a fasinating algorithm that the attorny general of Florida insisted on to decide if a voter should be barred from voting for a previos conviction of a felony.
If there was an ex felon named Jones. and your name was Jones. Then your vote was counted if you were white. But rejected if you where black. Even if felon Jones was white...
The white vs black comparison over rode all other factors including the exact spelling of the name.
woulld you mind proving this?
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Originally posted by Pongo
You dont believe that Gore got more votes then Bush?
Its a fasinating algorithm that the attorny general of Florida insisted on to decide if a voter should be barred from voting for a previos conviction of a felony.
If there was an ex felon named Jones. and your name was Jones. Then your vote was counted if you were white. But rejected if you where black. Even if felon Jones was white...
The white vs black comparison over rode all other factors including the exact spelling of the name.
Over 90 000 blacks that were never felons had thier votes discarded for that reason. Many of them lost thier votes for felonys comitted by whites.
Of course many white felons had thier votes counted.
Course the lady that arranged that little gem now works for the Washington line of the family instead of the Florida line of the family. She will likey have to serve as chief electoral officer in Iraq.
Arent you candadian? No offense to any other candadians...
I'd like to see proof of this dribble....
Didnt you forget to mention during this whole fiasco that the gore camp only wanted a recount in predominantly democratic countys and not the whole state?
Get over it....popular vote or not its the electoral that puts a prez in office.
Funny chit.
Clinton destroyed the Democratic party by ... uhm, by maintaining the highest approval rating over an 8 year term in the last 50 years? Yea... that did it.
No wait... it was that dratted fake economic boom.... you remember it. the longest in our history.... that killed those pesky dems.
Orrrrr maybe it was those policemen who kept having less and less to do over the Clinton terms.... you know with less crime to fight. I bet Clinton used them to kill the democratic party... the inscrutable bastage!!
is this why they lost all them seats in the senate and the house in the last two elections....and the presidency?????
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Originally posted by Yeager
Bush is finally beginiing to talk and act like a seasoned president.
I like how he surrendered to the WTO and then declared victory.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Didnt you forget to mention during this whole fiasco that the gore camp only wanted a recount in predominantly democratic countys and not the whole state?
So, the Florida law said specifically that they could do just that.
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Hush now children.
Your own congress has investigated this and found it true. You shouldnt need a mean old Canadian to tell you how your democrocy works.
lol.
Back to sleep now..dream of laser guided bombs or what ever makes you happy.
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Originally posted by Pongo
Hush now children.
Your own congress has investigated this and found it true. You shouldnt need a mean old Canadian to tell you how your democrocy works.
lol.
Back to sleep now..dream of laser guided bombs or what ever makes you happy.
Sources?
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Originally posted by Pongo
You dont believe that Gore got more votes then Bush?
Its a fasinating algorithm that the attorny general of Florida insisted on to decide if a voter should be barred from voting for a previos conviction of a felony.
If there was an ex felon named Jones. and your name was Jones. Then your vote was counted if you were white. But rejected if you where black. Even if felon Jones was white...
The white vs black comparison over rode all other factors including the exact spelling of the name.
Over 90 000 blacks that were never felons had thier votes discarded for that reason. Many of them lost thier votes for felonys comitted by whites.
Of course many white felons had thier votes counted.
Course the lady that arranged that little gem now works for the Washington line of the family instead of the Florida line of the family. She will likey have to serve as chief electoral officer in Iraq.
Sources?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Sources?
keep dreaming. Those bozos never provide sources.
The next post will be along the lines of:
"I'm not going to waste my time explaining this to someone that doesn't want to understand it. The sources are readily available. Look for them."
Or, they'll just ignore it.
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Its a Canadian troll...funny they so want to be in our politics. :rofl
No offense to our friends up North...be nice to them...their socialism is eating them alive. When their military goes broke, I just want to be at the auctions for the F-18s :D
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A search "florida black votes" on google (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=florida+black+votes) yields a lot of links but the truthfullness of each has to be evaluated. The numbers do not match.
The Lynching of the Black Vote
As the New York Times first reported, Florida election officials devised a laptop program allowing local election officials to tap directly into the master database in Tallahassee to determine whether a voter who did not show up on local rolls was in fact registered to vote. But only one of the laptop computers was distributed to a black area.
The Times reported that the precincts equipped with laptops favored Bush. In predominantly black precincts, if a voter found his or her name wrongly omitted from the rolls, a harried polling place worker had to try to get through to Tallahassee on the phone, and the lines were invariably busy. In Miami-Dade, black votes were thrown out at four times the rate of white votes.
It also turns out that many of the blacks whose names were mysteriously disqualified were not purged accidentally. As Gregory Palast reported in the internet magazine Salon.com, Republican officials hired ChoicePoint, an outside vendor with Republican ties, to cleanse the rolls of felons - but at least 8,000 names, disproportionately minority, were improperly deleted.
8,000 (plus however many were turned away in a laptop fiasco) of this source is not 90,000 and who knows how many of them would have voted for the Buchanan or cast an invalid ballot. But a few thousand is close enough to the margin of victory.
Not that I care a bit about the issue in question. Just wanted to point to Grun that abcense of references is not evidence of abcense. In modern world when all it takes is google and five seconds to construct a query, the "What are your sources?" is rarely a good resort but more an indication of doctrinaire closedmindendess. Like "I could find the sources in ten secohnds myself, but since you did not provide them, I consider your argument invalid".
People are not writing monographies here and often do not remember where they read something - sometimes in print media or heard on TV/radio, so the exact source may be impossible to provide. But there is usually supporting information to be found on the web for the willing to try.
Against those who have made their minds citing sources does not necessarily help. They just openly ignore and even laugh at "walls of text", quotes and references.
At best, they would just say that a sourse cited is lying (which often is the case) - but they do not present any evidence themselves that it is lying, only their opinion, while insisting on others substantiating their opinions.
miko
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Miko I want sources for the 90,000 figure. I want sources fot the idea that whites were allowed to vote if named Jones and blacks named Jones were not, or that white felons were allowed to vote while only black fellons were not.
Those accusations are a far cry from everything I have been able to find, which includes the info you posted.
So still I simply ask Pongo for his sources.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Miko I want sources for the 90,000 figure. I want sources fot the idea that whites were allowed to vote if named Jones and blacks named Jones were not, or whatever he said.
Those accusations are a far cry from everything I have been able to find, which includes the info you posted.
miko would rather attack the asking for sources. It's much easier to spew garbage if you aren't required to support it with fact.
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Originally posted by Martlet
miko would rather attack the asking for sources. It's much easier to spew garbage if you aren't required to support it with fact.
Can you prove that?
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Originally posted by Martlet
miko would rather attack the asking for sources. It's much easier to spew garbage if you aren't required to support it with fact.
I want SOURCES on that!!! 2 at least!!
k
AoM
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lol I'm too slow MT..
k
AoM
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Originally posted by Martlet
keep dreaming. Those bozos never provide sources.
The next post will be along the lines of:
"I'm not going to waste my time explaining this to someone that doesn't want to understand it. The sources are readily available. Look for them."
Or, they'll just ignore it.
Close enough Martlet...
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Can you prove that?
Sure. scroll up 2 posts from the comment you quoted.
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It's all Democrapic Hogwash. If the so called "sources" don't support the Democraps are right then there are no sources...
Therefore if a Democrap weighs as much as a duck....then...
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Originally posted by LePaul
Its a Canadian troll...funny they so want to be in our politics. :rofl
No offense to our friends up North...be nice to them...their socialism is eating them alive. When their military goes broke, I just want to be at the auctions for the F-18s :D
Our "socialism" has nothing to do with our military. There is plenty of money to go around and to properly fund our military...it is our misguided political leaders who choose not to apply available resources to maintain and upgrade the Canadian Armed Forces. That is, and always has been, a political decision and not a financial one.
And, as an aside, our "socialism" has, I believe, resulted in a better financial state of affairs for our federal and provincial governments when compared to our cousins to the south.
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Originally posted by MJHerman
And, as an aside, our "socialism" has, I believe, resulted in a better financial state of affairs for our federal and provincial governments when compared to our cousins to the south.
til the Eskimos invade :rofl
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Originally posted by kappa
I want SOURCES on that!!! 2 at least!!
k
AoM
It seems people's butts are the usual source for commentary on this board...
They pull facts, figures, and opinions out of that source left and right.
:aok
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GRUNHERZ: Miko I want sources for the 90,000 figure. I want sources fot the idea that whites were allowed to vote if named
Me too - I could not find it anywhere yet. Probably not true - or not provable. Not that it makes much difference - 90,000 or 9,000 when a few hundred were enough to tip the balance.
What I do not see is those few hundred disenfranchised blacks coming out with a suit alleging their civil rights were violated by illegally denying them the right to vote. There are plenty of powers with money to organise such a class action suit, so where is it? I can name every soldier killed in Iraq and every 911 victim, so why do we have to rely on hypothetic "Jones" when real names should have existed.
That is what makes election results valid in my opinion.
But it helps when you are specific in such request like you just did now. Otherwise you may just seem contrary and hurt your case. It costs you just a minute to type compared to "Quote" and "Sources?" but makes your side more persuasive.
miko
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Originally posted by miko2d
GRUNHERZ: Miko I want sources for the 90,000 figure. I want sources fot the idea that whites were allowed to vote if named
Me too - I could not find it anywhere yet. Probably not true - or not provable. Not that it makes much difference - 90,000 or 9,000 when a few hundred were enough to tip the balance.
What I do not see is those few hundred disenfranchised blacks coming out with a suit alleging their civil rights were violated by illegally denying them the right to vote. There are plenty of powers with money to organise such a class action suit, so where is it? I can name every soldier killed in Iraq and every 911 victim, so why do we have to rely on hypothetic "Jones" when real names should have existed.
That is what makes election results valid in my opinion.
But it helps when you are specific in such request like you just did now. Otherwise you may just seem contrary and hurt your case. It costs you just a minute to type compared to "Quote" and "Sources?" but makes your side more persuasive.
miko
Good point. :)
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Hey Miko,
What I do not see is those few hundred disenfranchised blacks coming out with a suit alleging their civil rights were violated by illegally denying them the right to vote. There are plenty of powers with money to organise such a class action suit, so where is it?
Right here... Florida Election 2000. Two counties filed papers to settle a lawsuit from civil rights groups over the alleged widespread voting problems that resulted in George W. Bush being elected President in 2000. The settlement calls for creation of a state coordinator for election law compliance, reporting on future election day problems, correcting mistakes in a purge of convicted felons and expanding voter rights on provisional ballots. (Sep-03-02)
More specific info (http://www.lawyerscomm.org/features/sett090402.html)