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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Saintaw on December 11, 2003, 06:27:31 AM
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http://www.technewsworld.com/perl/story/32340.html
Wouldn't be surprised if Western unis, military and service providers get together and create internet 2 (like they created the current Internet some 40 years ago). This would provide us with a free-ish Internet as opposed to the un thugs one where everything but their gvt party line would be banned. The "Internet" in china and saudi arabia are a good taste of what's to come...
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Nice sig.
I added you to mine as well.
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What did he say ?
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Originally posted by Saintaw
What did he say ?
he say :
This person is on your Ignore List. To view this post click [here (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&action=showpost&postid=1058524#1058524)]
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Ah, thought so... saw exactly the same on my end.
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What did they say???
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:D
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All you kids go to your rooms and come out when you can shake hands and get along like adults!!
LOL
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The UN is pretty bad when it comes to managing things, and they are known big beurocracy inefficent anti free market socialits. The internet so far has developed so well (after its cold war roots of course) precisely beacuse of its free private nature, the UN will find a way to censor it and impose their anti-capitaliost anti-us and incresingly anti-western view of global politics.
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The internet could very well be an example of technology leaping way ahead of politics. It's the new atomic bomb imho. Looks like a cold war brewing over control of the internet.
I believe the days of free communication are over. Think about how unsecured the internet is, unless you have a closed loop system. Soon as you use it, it starts gathering information about you. Who the hell wants that?
I'm all in favor of the exchange of ideas, but imho the internet is not the best way to communicate between countries, some of which may be at war, even a cold one. A war the magnitude of WWII would see an end to the internet as we know it. We would have to become HAM radio operators and learn Morse Code to say "Hi" to each other. Something I think about and don't want to happen. (But it would be kinda neat tapping out coms on a key.):)
I don't know. I appreciate this game and the good people here that play it. I have learned some things here, and had a splended time reading the posts. This is the best place to hear diverse opinions among some smart cookies. I'll say that. This board is the only one I would ever post on, because we all have one thing in common. We play AH, which is a martial art of sorts, though that may seem a stretch compared to traditional art. It still involves work and learning. There is value in it from an entertainment standpoint. It is a service to humanity.
Les:cool:
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
The UN is pretty bad when it comes to managing things, and they are known big beurocracy inefficent anti free market socialits. The internet so far has developed so well (after its cold war roots of course) precisely beacuse of its free private nature, the UN will find a way to censor it and impose their anti-capitaliost anti-us and incresingly anti-western view of global politics.
you have absolutely no idea what your talking about.....
but at least your funny:D
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Originally posted by SLO
you have absolutely no idea what your talking about.....
but at least your funny:D
Yes only french canadians know about the UN..
But hey if you think bumbling UN domination of the internet is a good thing, then so be it...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Yes only french canadians know about the UN..
But hey if you think bumbling UN domination of the internet is a good thing, then so be it...
I mentioned you....not your kind...so please refrain from using stupid remarks.....Diplomacy remember
maybe Dubya should take care of the Internet...since he has such a kind way a making friends :aok
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Fair enough only you SLo are to comment on the UN. :)
What does Bush have to do with this? I dont want the US government controling the internet either, allready some of the bastiges want to impose taxes on internet business...
And certainly dont want some idiotic UN commission running it either, I'll bet they will put some mongolian sheepherder in charge of the whole internet. Just like they put Libya or Iran to head the human rights commision. Or put the Iraqi delegation to head the weapons non-proliferation talks. And yes I know it was alphabetical, and frankly that kind of the idiotic arbitrary random nonsensical stupididy is exactly the problem with the UN...
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But the UN is not the US and if you are suffering from wiener envy you would prefer anyone over the US. It is all about emasculating the most powerful country and the most powerful economic force in the world.
Of course I can't see any of the posts you are responding to Grunherz so I really don't know what you are talking about. But based on my ignore list I am sure it is scintillating.
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Originally posted by SLO
I mentioned you....not your kind...so please refrain from using stupid remarks.....Diplomacy remember
maybe Dubya should take care of the Internet...since he has such a kind way a making friends :aok
But AlGore invented the internet....shouldnt HE be the sole caretaker and decision maker.
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*shrug* no matter what anyone does to try control the content on the internet...people will find away to get around it...
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Not all UN bureaucracies are bad and inefficient. The French invented the metric system, but they no longer control it. A group of societies down at Saclay south of Paris work for the UN, have diplomatic status and do a good job of guaranteeing a single standard of measure for the whole world.
In a case like that, UN administration means allowing a group of technicians to do their work without political interference.
Now, ICANN is a private corporation contracted by the US government to be a name registry. Nobody wants their infrastructure controlled by another country, and particularly one that flaunts international law and uses all means available to punish countries it doesn't like. So sure, I say take the ICANN folks, give them diplomat status, nice CD plates on their cars, put them on the payroll of the UN with the charter to maintain the infrastructure of the internet and leave them alone.
Now, spam is a problem that's gonna need a global solution. It may be that "they'll always find a way around", but the current spam traffic is costing billions of dollars.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Yes only french canadians know about the UN..
this grun....this...mention me...not my origins please.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Fair enough only you SLo are to comment on the UN. :)
What does Bush have to do with this? I dont want the US government controling the internet either, allready some of the bastiges want to impose taxes on internet business...
1- NO....not really.....you are aloud to bash it if its your intention...free speech....and i never mentioned that you where not aloud.
2- Bush has the NSA to monitor Cell Phones and the INTERNET....so don't get all high and mighty on the UN....you already control alot of it...but not all:aok
I told you....your funny:D
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
The UN is pretty bad when it comes to managing things, and they are known big beurocracy inefficent anti free market socialits. The internet so far has developed so well
wow since when and why is UN know for things you named ?
The only one country, where internet develop well is Japan and not US.
but of course if you will compare US to eastern Europe, their inet rock
and biggest % of inet users is not in US as well...
its somewhere in Asia.... ahh South Korea...
So basilacy US rule nothing in world of internet, neither quality nor technology.... they may be rule in sniffing owen people since every ISP must put some machine from govermental organization on monitor port in their network ..
of course coz terrorist threat
since there is not corruption in US, people dont have to fear :D
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Wouldn't be surprised if Western unis, military and service providers get together and create internet 2 (like they created the current Internet some 40 years ago). This would provide us with a free-ish Internet as opposed to the un thugs one where everything but their gvt party line would be banned. The "Internet" in china and saudi arabia are a good taste of what's to come...
Umm -> http://www.internet2.edu/
About Internet2®
Internet2 is a consortium being led by 205 universities working in partnership with industry and government to develop and deploy advanced network applications and technologies, accelerating the creation of tomorrow's Internet. Internet2 is recreating the partnership among academia, industry and government that fostered today´s Internet in its infancy.
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Originally posted by maslo
wow since when and why is UN know for things you named ?
The only one country, where internet develop well is Japan and not US.
but of course if you will compare US to eastern Europe, their inet rock
and biggest % of inet users is not in US as well...
its somewhere in Asia.... ahh South Korea...
So basilacy US rule nothing in world of internet, neither quality nor technology.... they may be rule in sniffing owen people since every ISP must put some machine from govermental organization on monitor port in their network ..
of course coz terrorist threat
since there is not corruption in US, people dont have to fear :D
And yet you still find it necessary to clutter our US owned and operated board.
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Originally posted by SLO
1- NO....not really.....you are aloud to bash it if its your intention...free speech....and i never mentioned that you where not aloud.
2- Bush has the NSA to monitor Cell Phones and the INTERNET....so don't get all high and mighty on the UN....you already control alot of it...but not all:aok
I told you....your funny:D
rofl! echelon? why not mention NASA's earthquake machine or the Grays? black helicopters.
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Originally posted by maslo
wow since when and why is UN know for things you named ?
The only one country, where internet develop well is Japan and not US.
but of course if you will compare US to eastern Europe, their inet rock
and biggest % of inet users is not in US as well...
its somewhere in Asia.... ahh South Korea...
So basilacy US rule nothing in world of internet, neither quality nor technology.... they may be rule in sniffing owen people since every ISP must put some machine from govermental organization on monitor port in their network ..
of course coz terrorist threat
since there is not corruption in US, people dont have to fear :D
Maybe the UN can develope it's own type of internet, then force people to use it by resolutions ( backed by force of course) . I'm sure the UN can come up with something more popular than the failed internet.
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Cisco's got wires in my brain AAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
:D
Damn the man .... Fight back now ....
Revolution is Sexy!
have you heard about 'freenet' i think it's called.. i'll go try to look it up
anyway stripes of encrypted pages are distrubted among servers who's routes are then done by some odd 'bar code' system
so noone knows where anythign really is like on the normal internet .. it just is ....
think that's basicly how it works ... been awhile since i thought about it ....so might have gotten some wrong :)
idea then was ... "what's this good for" .... well maybe our freedom :aok
here found link
http://freenet.sourceforge.net/
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Originally posted by Octavius
rofl! echelon? why not mention NASA's earthquake machine or the Grays? black helicopters.
you gotta be kiddin me oct....:rolleyes:
The conference that the UN is doin now is mostly to try and get some 3rd world countries ACCESS to the INTERNET and HOW the UN can help them ACHIEVE this goal.....
The UN proposed a WORKING GROUP to supervise the distribution of money to help these countries....
anyways, thats my understanding I got from papers and the news.
OCT.....are you telling me you don't know that the NSA is doin this.....from the comment you made.....I guess not....you better start informing yourself about your own Govr's devices.
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Originally posted by SLO
you gotta be kiddin me oct....:rolleyes:
The conference that the UN is doin now is mostly to try and get some 3rd world countries ACCESS to the INTERNET and HOW the UN can help them ACHIEVE this goal.....
The UN proposed a WORKING GROUP to supervise the distribution of money to help these countries....
anyways, thats my understanding I got from papers and the news.
OCT.....are you telling me you don't know that the NSA is doin this.....from the comment you made.....I guess not....you better start informing yourself about your own Govr's devices.
Nice assumption.
Do you actually think any news organization will report "NSA SPIES ON CITIZENS" ?? Does the FBI openly talk about bugs? What is the NSA? National Security Agency. Why openly declare spying?
I can't believe you gathered all that just from my sarcastic comment. You're smarter than that; I'd think you can see past the humor.
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Originally posted by SLO
you have absolutely no idea what your talking about.....
but at least your funny:D
You’re out of your mind. The UN ihas been a complete failure at most everything. Impotent comes to mind.
And they are most definitely anti capitalism and US for that matter
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Originally posted by Octavius
Nice assumption.
Do you actually think any news organization will report "NSA SPIES ON CITIZENS" ?? Does the FBI openly talk about bugs? What is the NSA? National Security Agency. Why openly declare spying?
I can't believe you gathered all that just from my sarcastic comment. You're smarter than that; I'd think you can see past the humor.
sorry OCT...no assumption there
I didn't gather anything....its the knowledge I had....or more likely what I understand right now about that conference.
as for the NSA.....well now...thats pretty common knowledge all around....and I'm sure they do more then we think.....just pick up the phone and say....I really hate the president....I wanna kill em'....and voila....NSA's super computers will record that:D
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Originally posted by JBA
You’re out of your mind. The UN ihas been a complete failure at most everything. Impotent comes to mind.
And they are most definitely anti capitalism and US for that matter
JBA...your an insecure individual lashing out....easy my young apprentice:D
here is the difference.....
US is managed by a president....1 man managing 1 country.
UN.....1 man tryin to manage 200 different countries.
are you gettin it now:aok
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I hope internet will someday have system, that allows e-mail _receivers_ block the real sender, not their random dynamic identities. Sending should never be blockable, just the receiving end needs better tools for filtering content.
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Originally posted by SLO
sorry OCT...no assumption there
I didn't gather anything....its the knowledge I had....or more likely what I understand right now about that conference.
as for the NSA.....well now...thats pretty common knowledge all around....and I'm sure they do more then we think.....just pick up the phone and say....I really hate the president....I wanna kill em'....and voila....NSA's super computers will record that:D
Reread my post. You assume I have zero knowledge of this.
"you don't know that the NSA is doin this.....from the comment you made.....I guess not....you better start informing yourself about your own Govr's devices.
You seem to do that alot.
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Originally posted by AKIron
And yet you still find it necessary to clutter our US owned and operated board.
well i dont care who run this board, we are here to chat with you
so i do not see any reason, why should we chat on ZAR`s BBS :)
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Oct are you saying that Echelon doesn't exist? Are you saying that the NAS can spy on any American citizen without a court order?
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Originally posted by Octavius
rofl! echelon? why not mention NASA's earthquake machine or the Grays? black helicopters.
Heheh Oct the WORST kept secret in NZ is the Echelon base down by Blenheim (in fact I drove past it today on the way back from my sisters wedding). Trust me, Echelon exists.
Dunno if it does cellphones, it definitely doesn't do net though.
As for the UN, they can barely organise a good crap let alone take over the internet - by the time the UN got their ***** and commities sorted out Apes will be running the planet. And if they did the US could simple 'unplug' them. The US has done a damn fine job of the net so far.
IMHO the country with the most porn sites will one day rule the net.
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If it doesn't do net what is it good for? I wouldn't be surprised at all if it would.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Oct are you saying that Echelon doesn't exist? Are you saying that the NAS can spy on any American citizen without a court order?
I denied nothing. :)
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Originally posted by mora
If it doesn't do net what is it good for? I wouldn't be surprised at all if it would.
As I understand it the NZ echelon bases role is monitoring communications in China, something about the way radio signals bounce off the upper atmosphere.
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Vulcan they openly call it Echelon? Does the NZ .gov maintain it or do you see some guys with Majestic 12 on their uniforms? :D
This may be far fetched, but supposedly an AI sifts through the mass of information somewhere underground in Georgia.
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Like its only NSA doing the "echelon" projekts :rolleyes:
Here in Sweden we got a instutition wich belongs to the Military wich is called FRA.
Translated it becomes The Defence Radio Institution.... They bug everything, they got the trigger words like NSA does etc....
And no one knows who controlls this institution....
If you belive that YOUR country DONT do this then they are simply hiding it well....
Have a nice surf ;)
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Originally posted by maslo
well i dont care who run this board, we are here to chat with you
so i do not see any reason, why should we chat on ZAR`s BBS :)
Some are here to chat and some are here to endlessly berate, ridicule, and inflame. It does get tiresome at times.
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The existence of "Echelon" makes perfect sense and I would be more surprised if it wouldn't exist.
Here is some info about it from Federation of American Scientists:
http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/echelon.htm
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echolon = give us more money, we need to run a lot of high tech, top secret projects to protect you
of course our technology rock, but we cant explain how it work, coz somebody could use it as well
administration over
:rofl