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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: jigsaw on December 11, 2003, 02:52:10 PM
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http://www.razorsedgesoft.com/eject.mpg
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what's the story behind that??
was he following his lead? or was he solo and didn't get enough alt before pulling that loop?
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Did that pilot make it okay? Looks like the ejection system worked.
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The pilot was OK. I heard the plane lost power which is why he had to eject.
MiniD
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Wow yeah,
That is fked up looks like hell be peeling potatoes for a long time. So much for a flying career.
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Incredible how calm he is, you cant see the face of course but it just looks like he ejected automatically upon noticing the extent of the problem. Wasnt he the top guy on the team?
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Man that is good news of his making it out okay! Look like incredible composure for his trying to save the plane and then bailing out at the last second.
Until the very last part of the video, had no idea the plane was in danger until the ground came into the picture. WHEW!!
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any links to official reports about this ?
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Originally posted by mars01
Wow yeah,
That is fked up looks like hell be peeling potatoes for a long time. So much for a flying career.
Yep, it might have been his fault, but I don't think USAF can afford to sack their top pilots because of isolated incidents.
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I know a guy, maybe not a top pilot, but he was a career piplot had ton of hours, many missions.
They used to take off from the carrier and do a roll. Well they just mandated that this was no longer allowed. He took off from the carrier, did a roll, SACKED.
poor bastig.
But your right depending on his stature he might be flying.
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I think it's the same one as in these photos.
http://www.authphoto.com/maatbirds/indextb.htm
http://idaho.indymedia.org/uploads/5101714.rm
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Looks like split-s that is executed too early.
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right in the start of the static, it goes black and you can see him clear pretty well... that was one quick ejection..
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To all the armchair accident investigators, his engine quit.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
To all the armchair accident investigators, his engine quit.
That's just the official version. :p
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I can hear a jet engine going until the F16 hits the ground and it stops as the aircrafts explodes.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
To all the armchair accident investigators, his engine quit.
Bah!
He immeled into a split S yoyo with a full power yank and bank into the barrel roll... obvious!
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He was doing a loop and lost power at the top. As anyone that knows anything about F-16s they know they turn into lawn darts when they lose an engine.
Yes the ejection seat worked perfect, the ACES II performed a text book mode 1 (low alt) ejection. I work on ejection seats for a living and it is really good to see when the equipment that I work on that we cant really test out works as advertised.
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I got it from a thread in rec.aviation.piloting with the subject EJECT!. Started off as a decent thread, but quickly digressed into a p*ssing contest over who knew the most about ejection seats.
Someone posted search links with more info;
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=chris+stricklin+crash
http://tinyurl.com/ylov
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Originally posted by davidpt40
I can hear a jet engine going until the F16 hits the ground and it stops as the aircrafts explodes.
Are you sure from that link....I didnt get any sound...anyone else get sound?
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Originally posted by davidpt40
I can hear a jet engine going until the F16 hits the ground and it stops as the aircrafts explodes.
davidpt, your perpensity for proving yourself a jackprettythang is unsurpassed.
FYI, when a turbine engine quits.... unless it catastrophically comes apart, or seizes, it continues to turn, hence the noise.
Lastly, I have yet to hear sound in that video, you must be better than the rest... me thinks your just a butthead wannabe...
:lol
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I had no sound at all in the vid sequence. davidpt40 is just being his usual worthless self. In looking at the stills from another link you can see jet exhast flames in the first still. In the next which is the ejection still there is no visible exhaust and the previous frame looked like the AB was on.
Anyhow the AF has all the help they need deciding how this happened. They certainly don't need the armchair "generals" like davidpt40 trying to out voss, voss. :rolleyes:
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the rm file has audio, but it's shot from some distance away. So you do hear jet noises, but it's not distinct. There are 5 other F16Cs flying around and 85,000 people around the cameradude, so it's hard to say.
The first of the still pictures in the series says it's shot 4 seconds before impact, and shows what looks like full burner.
The next one shows the seat burning, the canopy in the air and heat distortion from the exhaust of the jet, but no burner.
I saw no news stories mentioning a flameout.
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Actually pretty much every article I've seen mentions engine failure.
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Okay, AP wire story states witnesses thought it suffered engine failure. I could find no official determination.
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Yeah me neither. Witnesses are pretty unreliable. Plenty of other USAF F-16 crash reports out there but nothing for this...
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I'm just trying to figure out what davidpt40 is doing in this thread. No one died studmuffin, move on.
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Best I can find is an F-16 driver who watched it.
http://www.f-16.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=126&start=75
Brick
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Posted: Oct 03, 2003 - 06:24 AM
I was at Mountain Home and witnessed the crash. The pilot was in full A/B during the descent in to the ground. The jet just seemed to lose thrust and "settle" into the ground.
I do believe it was an engine failure, because obviously, in A/B the jet should be producing 27,000 pounds of thrust. I am an F-16 troop at Hill AFB, and SAR pilot, and that is my 2 cents on the issue.
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Davidpt40 specializes in being the answer to a question nobody asked.
What about me? Why, I'm charming!
:D
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There is some sound on the video, quite faint and it's continous throughout the video.
Can't say whether its the engines or just some static.. at least I didn't hear the ejection seat going off and you'd think that would be quite a bang.
So if the mike isn't put in some weird place, id say it was static.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
He was doing a loop and lost power at the top. As anyone that knows anything about F-16s they know they turn into lawn darts when they lose an engine.
Yes the ejection seat worked perfect, the ACES II performed a text book mode 1 (low alt) ejection. I work on ejection seats for a living and it is really good to see when the equipment that I work on that we cant really test out works as advertised.
Actually it looks like he was zoom climbing off the runway and pulled a split-S too soon (Tuomio called it.) Looks like he stalled it into the ground (almost pulled it out). Sheesh so close. Looks like another hundred feet or so of alt and he would of made it.
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There are two videos of the F-16 crashing. One video was taped by a spectator. Unless there was another F-16 flying nearby, you can hear a jet engine roaring, and it stops about a half second after the F-16 explodes on the ground.
Heres the link: http://idaho.indymedia.org/uploads/5101714.rm
Raubvogel, you are a waste of human tissue. I have no desire to berate you when I think of the reasons that you spend so many hours per day on this message board.
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(http://www.authphoto.com/maatbirds/tbpix/DSC1866w.jpg)
I don't know the vector of the plane in this picture but if it would be under full power it could have been able to recover? Looks to me like it's a dropping like a brick with very high AOA.
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Thanks god we have davidpt40 here, at least we get to be "in" on the real facts unlike those fool Air Force types who actually were there and saw it themsleves - they know nothing.
BTW david I have it on good authority that 138 genuine red white and blue 100% American field mice and associated rodentia were wiped out in that F16 crash and subsequent grass fire, I hope this will, to some small extent, ease your suffereing caused by the dastardly American pilots survival.
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He hit a Turkey, you can see the feathers.
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Originally posted by Otto
He hit a Turkey, you can see the feathers.
Yes, definitely, a turkey was also killed!
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Gunslinger-
Question for you.
Where is the ejection handle on the ACESII? Are there more than one?
Also, in older seats there is a handle over the headrest for ejection. Does that one pull a shield over the pilots face or is that the much older seats? The older seat I'm talking about here is like the one on the A-6 and F-14.
Thanks.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
He was doing a loop and lost power at the top. As anyone that knows anything about F-16s they know they turn into lawn darts when they lose an engine.
Yes the ejection seat worked perfect, the ACES II performed a text book mode 1 (low alt) ejection. I work on ejection seats for a living and it is really good to see when the equipment that I work on that we cant really test out works as advertised.
Gun is his AB on and Hstab in up position in the first pic here?
http://www.authphoto.com/maatbirds/indextb.htm
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good god! 2 seconds after he ejected!
(http://www.authphoto.com/maatbirds/tbpix/aer171wm.jpg)
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I know all about mushing airplanes into the ground. I've lost most of my Yak9Us in the MA that way. So I'm in there; I know what I'm talking about!
Obviously he was pulling some serious G's - you can see the contrails coming from the inboard leading edge of the slats. In my expert opinion, the engine failed due to the stresses and he belly-flopped it.
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An F-16 failing due to G-stresses that a pilot is conscious through?
I'll call shenanigans on that one. From what I've seen on Discovery, the F-16 is should theoretically be functional doing maneuvers that would kill the pilot because it's just that strong. I suspect this includes the engine as well, otherwise the jet wouldn't be terribly useful in a modern dogfight.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
An F-16 failing due to G-stresses that a pilot is conscious through?
Stress fracture in the fuselage would affect everything in the "center barrel" but not necessarily something up front.
I crash Yak9U's every week, so I'm in there! I know what I'm talkin' about! :p
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Gunslinger-
Question for you.
Where is the ejection handle on the ACESII? Are there more than one?
Also, in older seats there is a handle over the headrest for ejection. Does that one pull a shield over the pilots face or is that the much older seats? The older seat I'm talking about here is like the one on the A-6 and F-14.
Thanks.
Good Question:
Most USAF planes Use the ACES II (advanced concept ejection system) In the F-16 the fire control handle is right between the pilots leggs. This version of the seat only has ONE ejection control handle....On the right hand side there is a Emerg Restraint release handle wich is a back up to the parachute mortor and restraint release systems. The reason for the handle being in the middle is because the flight control stick on the F-16 is on the right hand console as apposed to being in the middle.
On the F-15 F-117 B1b, A10, F22, Ect ACES II seats the controls are on the seat sides. There are two of them but they are both connected together....u pull one and both will fire there perspective initiators.
The Ejection system your referring to in the F14 ( with the loops at the top of the seat) is a Martin Baker. Its a really good british design. Admittedly I dont know much about the martin baker only that it has a more succseful rate of firing under water (wich is why the navy uses it) I do know that the USAF will be using the MB in the F-35 JSF
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Originally posted by Scootter
Gun is his AB on and Hstab in up position in the first pic here?
http://www.authphoto.com/maatbirds/indextb.htm
I see he is in full burner and it looks like his elevators or pulling up but I dont see the air brakes deployed
Keep in mind gents these are thunder bird jets they dont fly alone so there's gonna be other jets flying.
Secondly you could still hear engine sounds coming from the airplane....I'm not an engine guy but I do know that could be the APU goin or the engine itself but with just no thrust
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Has anyone considered the possibility of a compressor stall during a high G - high AOA pullout? Clearly he had power, but might've lost it for a short while if the engine hickup'd.
Wolfala
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Watch Capt. Strickland's left arm in the video. On the pullout from the loop, his throttle hand moves the thottle several times and his head is pointed toward throttle. He puts his left hand on the ejection handle then quickly raises it to the throttle to key the mic "Six out." His left arm goes back to the ejection handle and brings his right hand on top. He then straightens his head back on the headrest just as the canopy flies off. Go through the video frame by frame and you can see all of the movements. He knew through the last quarter of that loop that the airplane wasn't producing enough power to maintain the G's he needed to pullout.
MiG
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Secondly you could still hear engine sounds coming from the airplane....I'm not an engine guy but I do know that could be the APU goin or the engine itself but with just no thrust
F-16 has an EPU (emergency power unit) not an APU and it needs to be started and spooled up to power the elect bus. I really dont think he had time for all that (or need).
Not my first choice but he had some sort of power problem, I do see flame from the pipe in the first pic but that may be from the engine fraging.
He may also not have had room to pull up from loop, but jeeze he is a T-bird pilot you would think he's kind good at this stuff.
Not enough info. to tell what happened, but I bet he kissed the support guys on the mouth and they used his wallet at the bar that night.
I wonder if the folks in the tower got time off to change their shorts after that one.
SSGT.
USAF 1980-1984
CRASH/FIRE/ RESCUE