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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sixpence on December 11, 2003, 05:27:49 PM
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His former company donated to his campaign, now he is donating our tax dollars to them.
http://www.boston.com/dailynews/345/wash/Pentagon_probe_finds_overcharg:.shtml
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Politics as usual, I'm afraid. Democrat or Republican, doesn't matter.
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The Cheney and Halliburton link has stunk for a long time. I hope you're not surprised to find that the **** is stuck to our collective shoe.
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Politics as usual, I'm afraid. Democrat or Republican, doesn't matter.
I agree, It's Football Sunday chearing for the home team.
Blinded by party politics is just that…blind. Vote for the best person. Sometimes you find common sense under the layers of partisan politics.
I really miss Senator Jack Danforth in the Senate. He’s my bud!
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WMD = Weapons of Mass Dividends
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the statment "they all do it on both sides" is not a defence when somone openly lies to steal huge amounts of cash from the government.
lack of action on all the felonys happening in the bush administration is unprecidented since romans walked their forums.
took 3 days to say they would probly never find the violater when they outed a a enemys wife as a cia agent ? what the ****??
it aint partisan politics anymore its a raiding of our national credit rating and emptying of any national goodwill we might have had left.
p.s. best of luck tiawan. please dont use your nukes when china comes to kill your children :)
bad things.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
His former company donated to his campaign, now he is donating our tax dollars to them.
From the story:
Halliburton apparently didn't profit from the possible overcharges, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity. The problem, the officials said, was that Halliburton may have paid a subcontractor too much for the gasoline in the first place.
To look at this issue another way,
a.) I would be worried if Halliburton Board did not think highly enough of Cheney to not donate to the campaign.
b.) The gov't contracting with Halliburton for oilfeild and civil engineering services is like the gov't deciding to purchase a fleet of vehicles and going with General Motors. There are only a few companies with the ability to provide the products and services required.
Most contracts have a good ol' boy componant, but to say that Halliburton's Iraq operation is undoubtably corruption is to overlook the obvious. When you need a plumber, you hire a plumber, not a carpenter.
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Halliburton as the biggest defense contractor(in its are of expertise) in the Clinton Administration too. Maybe, just maybe, it is because they are the best at what they do?
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
When you need a plumber, you hire a plumber, not a carpenter.
problem is, they never looked for any other plumbers :aok
it was a givin fact that Haliburton was gonna get the contracts.
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Funny.
The Cons will believe any kind of twisted connection to a possible issue with Clinton, but let the Republiclown VP profit personally from a company that bilks our Govt. and is tied to Oil and War like a sailor knot... no biggy.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Funny.
The Cons will believe any kind of twisted connection to a possible issue with Clinton, but let the Republiclown VP profit personally from a company that bilks our Govt. and is tied to Oil and War like a sailor knot... no biggy.
How is he profiting personally?
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As long as he doesn't get a BJ. THAT would be a disaster !!!
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Originally posted by fd ski
As long as he doesn't get a BJ. THAT would be a disaster !!!
A BJ ain't so bad, although while in office by a young subordinate is reprehensible. But hey, who cares right? Certainly not many in this country.
Campaigns do cost money. I don't know which is worse, selling out to an American company for campaign money or to a foreign communist country. Oh wait, yes I do. Seems that many couldn't care less about that either.
Just to clarify, my post isn't about Clinton. It's about the people that supported him and continue to do so. The one's I no longer trust to do just about anything.
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I don't know why the "BJ" gets mentioned. The fact is he lied to a grand jury. Even if you are on the left you have to recognize this. And I don't want to hear it was a small lie. He lied to a grand jury...period.
Let's just look at it this way, if Clinton wanted us to go to war over WMD, how could you believe him? If you don't believe Bush, why would you believe someone who lied to a grand jury?
Sorry to be off topic.
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Originally posted by Rude
How is he profiting personally?
Chenney get's kick backs from Halibruton until 2008.
Some how this is legal because it's a blind trust.
It's been well documented and ***** about.
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
Chenney get's kick backs from Halibruton until 2008.
Some how this is legal because it's a blind trust.
It's been well documented and ***** about.
Prove it.
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Halliburton was awarded the contracts during the Clinton administration. Halliburton won the competitive bidding process for LOGCAP in '92. Then they lost that bidding process five years later in '97. Despite the fact that Halliburton no longer held the LOGCAP contract, Clinton went ahead and awarded a no-bid contract to Halliburton to do some work in the Balkans supporting U.S. peacekeeping actions.
They did win the bidding for LOGCAP in 2001, before the continuation of the Gulf War, and were legaly assigned to the tasks they are now performing.
LOGCAP (http://www.amc.army.mil/LOGCAP/)
I may be wrong, but this what happened as far as I understand it.
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Cheney was required to -- and did -- divest himself of his stocks and such in this company before accepting the VP job.
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Originally posted by JBA
Prove it.
Easily... Cheney publically disclosed this information and it's on public record.
I said it was legal.
Halliburton, the Texas company which has been awarded the Pentagon's contract to put out potential oil-field fires in Iraq and which is bidding for postwar construction contracts, is still making annual payments to its former chief executive, the vice-president Dick Cheney.
The payments, which appear on Mr Cheney's 2001 financial disclosure statement, are in the form of "deferred compensation" of up to $1m (?600,000) a year.
When he left Halliburton in 2000 to become George Bush's running mate, he opted not to receive his leaving payment in a lump sum but instead have it paid to him over five years, possibly for tax reasons.
An aide to the vice president said yesterday: "This is money that Mr Cheney was owed by the corporation as part of his salary for the time he was employed by Halliburton and which was a fixed amount paid to him over time."
The aide said the payment was even insured so that it would not be affected even if Halliburton went bankrupt, to ensure there was no conflict of interest.
"Also, the vice president has nothing whatsoever to do with the Pentagon bidding process," the aide added.
The company would not say how much the payments are. The obligatory disclosure statement filled by all top government officials says only that they are in the range of $100,000 and $1m. Nor is it clear how they are calculated.
Halliburton is one of five large US corporations - the others are the Bechtel Group, Fluor Corp, Parsons Corp, and the Louis Berger Group - invited to bid for contracts in what may turn out to be the biggest reconstruction project since the second world war.
It is estimated to be worth up to $900m for the preliminary work alone, such as rebuilding Iraq's hospitals, ports, airports and schools.
The contract winners will be able to establish a presence in post-Saddam Iraq that should give them an invaluable edge in winning future contracts.
The defence department contract awarded to the Halliburton subsidiary, Kellog, Brown & Root (KBR), to control oil fires if Saddam Hussein sets the well heads alight, will put the company in an excellent position to bid for huge contracts when Iraq's oil industry is rehabilitated.
KBR has already benefited considerably from the "war on terror". It has so far been awarded contracts worth nearly $33m to build the detention camp at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba for al-Qaida suspects.
Asked whether the payments to Mr Cheney represented a conflict of interest, Halliburton's spokeswoman, Wendy Hall, said: "We have been working as a government contractor since the 1940s. Since this time, KBR has become the premier provider of logistics and support services to all branches of the military."
In the five years Mr Cheney was at the helm, Halliburton nearly doubled the amount of business it did with the government to $2.3bn. The company also more than doubled its political contributions to $1.2m, overwhelmingly to Republican candidates.
Mr Cheney sold most of his Halliburton shares when he left the company, but retained stock options worth about $8m. He arranged to pay any profits to charity.
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Asked whether the payments to Mr Cheney represented a conflict of interest, Halliburton's spokeswoman, Wendy Hall, said: "We have been working as a government contractor since the 1940s. Since this time, KBR has become the premier provider of logistics and support services to all branches of the military." (http://www.jahozafat.com/Movies/Few_Good_Men/truth.wav)
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I forgot to mention... even though Chenney is not personally profiting financially from Haliburton, he receives compensation with services and gifts.
Haliburton provides Chenney with curvy to large women size lingerie. gucci dresses, and purse ensembles. A private apartment fitted with restraints, racks, "clamping devices", mirrors, lava lamps, black lights, a Van Morrison poster, complete Judist Priest anthology, and a vanity fully stocked with foundation, blush, mascara, assorted wigs, and face glitter.
Also included are piles of gay pornographic videos, magazines, and access to executive male escorts.
This information is not public knowledge, but has been confirmed by several high level White House officials.
Understandably, this is very hush hush, because it is related to National Security. Chenney - "aka Madame Velveeta" - conducts all Al Qaeda interrogations personally.
They say his unorthodox approach is highly successful in extrating intelligence from illegal combatants.... especially from those who have no intelligence at all - like George Bush. :aok
:rofl
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WTG GW!!
http://www.boston.com/dailynews/346/wash/Pentagon_probe_finds_overcharg:.shtml
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Haliburton a Texas company Bush A so called Texan.
Gee No connection there LOL.
ANd Brown &Root LOL who do you think made all there money
In the Viet Nam War?
You got It Brown&Root.
I voted for bush but I am keeping my options open this time.
To much good ole boy stuff going on here.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
WTG GW!!
I will give GW credit - Politically he says the right things when there's a smoking gun.
However, he never has played well with others as his first grade school teacher, Ms. Wales recalled a few years back on Larry King live. She recalled having to send him home many times with notes to his mother... most disturbing was his prechant with exposing him self to lamp posts, fortunately 14 years of therapy cured him.... we think.
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Nexus, you haven't replied to my post, which shows where the awarding of the contracts were under a democratic administration. In fact, no one has bothered to pay attention to the facts. They are facts. Simple, concrete information.
Instead, people cry, holler and scream that there is a conflict of interest.
Confront the facts, show where they are false, or shut the **** up.
Sorry skuzzy.